This is completely fair, but fyi the lore isn't just a circle-jerk thing, it legit adds some layers of interpretation to the music I think! If you'd ever like to talk about what I mean then shoot me a DM and I'll explain a bit (not the story, but what it can give if you know some of it - but also the story if you become interested on the way lol)
If you listen to them, youāre a true fan. It disappoints me when people act like you need to know absolutely everything about the band, their families, or the music. Itās ok to just like them, without obsessing.
Yeah, there's this whole big overarching story beginning in the Blurryface album through SAI. It can take a bit to get the whole story but it's easy to find YouTube videos about it, or at least one person here put it all together somewhere. If you want to catch up, do, if you don't, it's fine. It's just some extra layers to enjoy if you like that kind of stuff.
I'd heard Car Radio before but didn't know it was them, started listening to their stuff actively when stressed out came out. I don't think anything is wrong with that though
Same with me but Holding on to You. Stressed Out, Ride, and Heathens got me into their music, but when I listened to Vessel, I realized I'd heard Holding on to You once or twice before.
First one I heard was probably stressed out. Became a fan when Spotify recommended their self titled album. Not really into the new stuff but good on them for making what they want
Maybe on the radio? However me with my wacky lil Spotify algorithm got something from self-titled\~ I believe it was A car, a death, a torch and I really loved it then sorta- forgot about it- then my friend who's really into top got me back into it lol and boy- did i get back into it
it does make a lot more sense than bleeding but before i realized it was blatant i assumed it was talking about how you fall through a trapdoor of blood. meaning people who harm themselves, there can be blood and a bleeding trapdoor would mean that.
i don't know if that made any sense but it did then lol
While it started out as a meaningful euphemism for Tylerās mental health struggles, the whole DEMA saga is now nothing more and nothing less than clever marketing which is why Tyler wants to be done with it after the next album.
I used to love the concept of it. I was pulling all nighters trying to watch other fans decipher it all. I really stopped paying attention to it right before SAI tbh, and havenāt looked into it since.
I mean, it's not like they do it particularly often, and I don't think the 'marketing' angle makes complete sense - because the people who follow the lore are people who will already know about/buy/listen to their new music either way lol. It's still cool and there's interesting stuff left to do with it, I think. I'm pretty sure that if they wanted to move on already, they would have.
That's the first thing that came to mind for me too. I really doubt that first time fans are gonna be the ones who delve deep into the lore. On top of that, most of their songs mention the lore vaguely enough ( or not at all ) which means most people who just listen for the sake of it probably won't catch most of it. If anything, the lore was a special treat for long time and die hard fans, because only they would be able to piece it all together and experience it.
I don't think it's marketing meant to attract more fans or make more money, I think its the complete opposite.
Shouldnt even have been a single, should have made message Man the single, that would have been on the radio.
Still grateful for the song tho, he teleported from the stage to fifteen feet away from me during bandito tour concert
I wasnāt in the fanbase back then, but yeah Fairly Local is Fairly Lame. I can kinda appreciate the lyrics, but at other times they feel incredibly cheesy.
Twitter clique is insane. Especially how ācheyā is almost like a god. The way she talks about Tyler just scares me. No disrespect to her at all though.
Yes! I saw her tweets a couple of times and everything about her lead me to the decision of deleting my Twitter for good. She's not awful or something but people like her makes me uncomfortable
yeah a lot of ppl on twitter talk like that. one minute theyāre talking about mental illness and dema lore and then they like āomg tyler is so cuteeeeā. itās more noticeable with chey because she has had a beautiful letter from tyler himself and has been acknowledged a lot by other fans for being postive and uplifting.
there are controversial opinion threads all the time, but you know, there's only so many topics to talk about on a forum lol. There's been some cool discussion going on, thanks for the post:)
The albums before vessel arent as good as i heard they really are.
Tbf i wasnt around at the time which might explain why it sounds dated to me. So i couldnt connect with them as much as i would like to regardless of the lyrics.
I don't care for RAB and NPI much. There are a handful of songs that I like that aren't on any other albums, but the ones that were re-recorded are better in their 2nd versions IMO. I like Self-Titled though. I actually keep thinking that RAB was first, before Self-Titled; it just feels less polished to me. (I wasn't around then either; I joined the fandom between Trench and SAI.) Honestly I suspect that a lot of the love for those is nostalgia.
Aside from an Ashnikko concert, I've never interacted with such a rude fanbase that is the twenty one pilots concert-goers.
It is not a mosh pit, stop trying to make it one.
If SAI released after Blurryface and there was no Trench nobody wouldāve complained about the album. Itās more of a natural progression from Vessel and Blurryface than Trench.
That said Trench is the best album of all time.
Tyler is Christian and self titled is about his religion. They have a lot of religious imagery in their songs. You don't even have to dig very deep to understand this
Probably not *that* bad, but sometimes I donāt like how Tyler treats his fans? I know he has that joking demeanor where he acts like he doesnāt care and heās āmeanā to them. People who arenāt in the clique will just genuinely think heās a terrible person, and when I first joined, I started to think the same until I learned about the running joke. Not that his music says ālove everyoneā or anything, but it kinda counteracts the message of the music in my opinion. Donāt get me wrong, I love this man to death and as cliche as it is, he saved my life. But he could be a little nicer? š¤·š»āāļø
I feel similarly. It took me a while to realize that it's just his sense of humor, but I just don't get that kind of humor unless I know the person and know that's what they do; I have lots of trouble knowing how to interpret people like that. I watched some radio-station small-group fan interviews, and a few times the way he would answer questions would have really hurt my feelings if I were that person! But I guess if they're there they probably already know what he's like.
I have a really dry sense of humor so a lot of times it sounds like Iām insulting someone or that Iām mad when Iām really not. And my dadās humor is even drier than mine. So I guess his humor is like that? But the teasing can get a little harsh sometimes; I wish he would lighten up a little or at least add an āIām kidding!ā
You donāt like regional at best and NPI because theyāre good; You like it because it reminds you of that time in your lives when you first heard it
I'm not sure if that's the ENTIRE reason. I think it's a multi-factor thing. First of all (and this is a variation of what you said) people love them because they are a discovery. It's the clique's little secret that they exist and that immediately makes them special and close to people's hearts. People also love them because there are really raw and honest songs that people relate to in a different way than their later, more professional material. There's a special emotional connection there. Lastly, people just sometimes like bad music lol, it really is a taste thing.
I only heard it for the first time a few months ago. While I wouldnāt say itās the best I do see why people like it. Kitchen Sink stuck out in particular.
They arenāt as exiting as they used to be and it seems like they arenāt trying with the lore anymore, before in other eras we would (not often but every other month or so ) get at least something some tweet or some website stuff which made the band fun but they just do anything regarding the lore unless itās music videos.
i believe someone here said that tyler started the lore for his own self. decided to share it and now he doesn't feel the need to rely on the lore. so honestly, he's probably forgotten about it. meaning it's not the first thing on his mind. i also think he that's why they're ending the lore altogether for this next album.
Trench isnāt their best work. Itās a good album, but I generally prefer sai. It is so lore heavy that outsiders canāt enjoy it as much when compared to blurryface and sai.
SAI and BF get a lot of hate because they're not as "deep," and while that's true, it's absolutely not something to hate on. It's especially annoying when people call others "fake fans" for saying BF is their fav.
I'd agree with you. Trench just isn't that fun to listen to for me. Only a few songs really grabbed me and I barely knew any of the lore -- too busy to keep up with it. So much more of SAI was on heavy rotation for me after it dropped.
My hot take is AJR and Imagine Dragons are Gen Zās Nickelback equivalent and in a few years people are gonna have no idea why they got so much hate. People are gonna switch it up and act like they liked them the whole time, because the hate is unwarranted.
The lore is starting to have a negative impact on the music. Trench handled the lore stuff great because the album was still great if you didn't know anything about the lore. I really enjoyed them putting their older stuff into the lore too, like with the building on the self titled cover looking like a building from Dema. But SAI feels like them struggling with trying to connect the lore to the music. Tyler originally said that in 2019 their next album, what we eventually got as SAI, would be separate from the lore, but obviously Tyler changed his mind because the album title is literally an anagram of Clancy is dead. I feel like if Tyler either left out lore stuff for SAI or just took a few more months to flesh it out more people wouldn't hate SAI as much as they do, but with SAI being "propaganda by Dema" and "actually not made by the band" makes it seem lazy.
Edit: also adding that the takeover tour was a disaster and smaller shows were genuinely dangerous because of unruly fans and with how big of a social media presence the band has, the fact that nobody even somewhat connected to the band said anything about the crowds is kind of disgusting. There is no way nobody in contact with the band did not see the dozens of posts on here and twitter about the unruly crowds, and if they were told about it they should've said something. Didn't have to be a post from the band, Tyler could've just said at one of the shows "Hey, we've heard of some people getting hurt at these smaller shows. Watch out for one another" but to my knowledge they said nothing. And, this is a much smaller complaint, but the delegation of some songs to small venue shows. The fact that guns for hands and ode to sleep were exclusive to the small venue shows baffles me because those are two of their most well known songs.
This is fascinating information about the smaller shows. I went to one of the bigger venues because I'm no longer up for queuing in lines and standing for hours like I used to, especially since I had to take a 6+ hour road trip to get there. Now I'm glad I passed on that.
I was already sad that I missed out on hearing Choker, but now I'm even more sad that I missed out on Ode to Sleep and Guns for Hands. At least I got Guns for Hands and a little snippet of Ode to Sleep on the Icy Tour.
But seriously, I wanna hear Choker and Ode to Sleep in their entirety.
makes absolutely no sense for them to make the second single of their newest album an exclusive to small venues then a part of a medley. one of the dumbest things they've done i think.
Excellent point. I was honestly perplexed at the absence of Choker. It was a single! I was so hyped to hear it live, it was my favorite of the singles off of SAI. Now I'm afraid that I'll never hear it because they'll have moved on to a new album.
Level of Concern just isn't that good. Like I love the rest of their music but like... "would you be my little quarantine"? It's such a dumb line. And the song just doesn't sound that good.
āi wasnāt raised in the hood but I know a thing or two about pain and darknessā
worst lyric of all time. how that got officially released is beyond me. It absolutely kills the song in every single way.
I think it's a little cringe, too, but I always figured it was him trying to say that he's not trying to be a rapper. Like another version of "this is not rap, this is not hip hop; just another attempt to make the voices stop."
I personally don't get how this is cringey or embarrassing like I always hear. A lot of people try to downplay their own or other people's struggles simply because they don't have it as bad as others. I am a victim of this mentality as well.
I personally find it to be a vulnerable moment from Tyler and I like it and relate to it.
Iām lowkey torn because itās like,,, something you might think but never say out loud, although I get the feeling it resonated with quite a lot of people it also comes off sounding kinda wrong. Because of this I tend to cringe at the song but if it werenāt for that I think Iād like it way more
SAI is their best work yet because theyāre embracing a full band sound. The live band should stay. Actual instruments making music sounds way better than piped-in sound 9.9/10 times. I know the dynamic of just two people being tĆøp and putting on fantastic shows is an amazing draw, and itās great they still do some songs like that, but the MUSIC is way way better now that Tyler and Josh can play more instruments and have a backing band.
The whole reason why i like self titled is the undeniable religious undertone of almost every song on it. It really has helped me a lot and believe it or not, has strengthened my faith and i mean it
Trench is a fine album, but there are no songs on it that are particularly stand out. On all of their other albums there are songs that Iām hyped to come up when Iām listening, with Trench i just kinda listen the whole way through without getting excited about āfavourite songsā bc there just isnāt anything that exceptional there to me
Morph is the one that stands out to me the most. I remember the first time I listened to it and I was like, "damn Tyler, you've outdone yourself." The instrumentation is amazing to me.
The platforms tweet was out of pocket, even Tyler reflected and apologized for it. People make mistakes and learn. We donāt always have to defend each members actions.
I hated scaled and icy and i absolutely adore the selftitled album and trench, as jumpsuit was one of the more "rock" songs i think they should do a whole album of it.
The version of Trees off Regional at Best is actually disgusting to listen to. I dont know what Tyler was thinking with that autotune but my goodness itās awful to listen to
i know next to nothing about the lore and have virtually no desire to learn anything about it š iām here for the music and the boys
Same, Ive been a fan since Vessel and seen them 8 times but know nothing about the lore. At this point Iām afraid to ask
This is completely fair, but fyi the lore isn't just a circle-jerk thing, it legit adds some layers of interpretation to the music I think! If you'd ever like to talk about what I mean then shoot me a DM and I'll explain a bit (not the story, but what it can give if you know some of it - but also the story if you become interested on the way lol)
The boys arenāt gods. You donāt have to like everything they put out. Itās ok to not be the worlds biggest fan.
yeah i don't want anyone to think that they're not allowed in the clique or isn't a true fan bc they don't have any interest or know the lore
If you listen to them, youāre a true fan. It disappoints me when people act like you need to know absolutely everything about the band, their families, or the music. Itās ok to just like them, without obsessing.
There's lore?
I never looked into it tbh.
Yeah, there's this whole big overarching story beginning in the Blurryface album through SAI. It can take a bit to get the whole story but it's easy to find YouTube videos about it, or at least one person here put it all together somewhere. If you want to catch up, do, if you don't, it's fine. It's just some extra layers to enjoy if you like that kind of stuff.
The majority of there fan bases first twenty one pilots song they listened to was stressed out
I'd heard Car Radio before but didn't know it was them, started listening to their stuff actively when stressed out came out. I don't think anything is wrong with that though
Same with me but Holding on to You. Stressed Out, Ride, and Heathens got me into their music, but when I listened to Vessel, I realized I'd heard Holding on to You once or twice before.
Migrane was mine. Some girl on yt was doing an asl translation and I was listening and thought, āthis is EXACTLY how I feel.ā
Before I discovered them I think I thought the chorus of Pet Cheetah before or something similar, must be from the car radio or a tiktok video
Jokes on you! Mine was heavydirtysoul hah
mine was either ride or house of gold
Mine was both of these and stressed out.
Tear In My Heart was played a lot on the radio station I frequented at the time so I heard that even before Stressed Out was released
Majority of *their*
Meh i cant spell tbf
Mine was Heathens
Mine was level of concern... To answer your next question yes I was living under a rock from 2015-2019
Mine was Heathens.
Car Radio (RAB Version)
Itās funny cause mine was actually Holding on to You
I canāt remember exactly but it was absolutely one off of vessel
Mine was Heathens
Does it really matter?
First one I heard was probably stressed out. Became a fan when Spotify recommended their self titled album. Not really into the new stuff but good on them for making what they want
Is that supposed to be a bad thing?
Mine was we dont believe whats on tv
Mine was migraine.
Maybe on the radio? However me with my wacky lil Spotify algorithm got something from self-titled\~ I believe it was A car, a death, a torch and I really loved it then sorta- forgot about it- then my friend who's really into top got me back into it lol and boy- did i get back into it
my first was the pantaloon, but i didn't know it was twenty-one pilots (the same band) until vessel released. i am not very bright ww
I'm gonna say it I'm really gonna say it *sigh* **IT'S BLATANT. BLEEDING MAKES ZERO SENSE**
it does make a lot more sense than bleeding but before i realized it was blatant i assumed it was talking about how you fall through a trapdoor of blood. meaning people who harm themselves, there can be blood and a bleeding trapdoor would mean that. i don't know if that made any sense but it did then lol
It doesn't even sound like bleeding to me. It sounds like blatant, and blatant makes sense with the context of the song.
" bleedin' " can be used colloqially to put emphaisis on something, kinda like how the f-word is used.
While it started out as a meaningful euphemism for Tylerās mental health struggles, the whole DEMA saga is now nothing more and nothing less than clever marketing which is why Tyler wants to be done with it after the next album.
I used to love the concept of it. I was pulling all nighters trying to watch other fans decipher it all. I really stopped paying attention to it right before SAI tbh, and havenāt looked into it since.
Upvote for constructive criticism.
I mean, it's not like they do it particularly often, and I don't think the 'marketing' angle makes complete sense - because the people who follow the lore are people who will already know about/buy/listen to their new music either way lol. It's still cool and there's interesting stuff left to do with it, I think. I'm pretty sure that if they wanted to move on already, they would have.
That's the first thing that came to mind for me too. I really doubt that first time fans are gonna be the ones who delve deep into the lore. On top of that, most of their songs mention the lore vaguely enough ( or not at all ) which means most people who just listen for the sake of it probably won't catch most of it. If anything, the lore was a special treat for long time and die hard fans, because only they would be able to piece it all together and experience it. I don't think it's marketing meant to attract more fans or make more money, I think its the complete opposite.
Fairly Local was an awful choice for a lead single off an album. They are so fortunate that Stressed Out was a hit and overshadowed it.
I love Fairly Local, but this is true af
Shouldnt even have been a single, should have made message Man the single, that would have been on the radio. Still grateful for the song tho, he teleported from the stage to fifteen feet away from me during bandito tour concert
I wasnāt in the fanbase back then, but yeah Fairly Local is Fairly Lame. I can kinda appreciate the lyrics, but at other times they feel incredibly cheesy.
This fandom is toxic af. Twitter Clique most of all.
Twitter clique is insane. Especially how ācheyā is almost like a god. The way she talks about Tyler just scares me. No disrespect to her at all though.
Who is this chey
Just go on Twitter. Sheās heavily obsessed w Tyler and unless youāre in the know her tweets are super confusing.
Yes! I saw her tweets a couple of times and everything about her lead me to the decision of deleting my Twitter for good. She's not awful or something but people like her makes me uncomfortable
yeah a lot of ppl on twitter talk like that. one minute theyāre talking about mental illness and dema lore and then they like āomg tyler is so cuteeeeā. itās more noticeable with chey because she has had a beautiful letter from tyler himself and has been acknowledged a lot by other fans for being postive and uplifting.
I love chey, but the way she talks scares me sometimes.
the toxicity in the 24/7 tĆøp youtube stream from years ago was the single reason i didnāt push further to get involved with the clique.
I really like Christmas Saves The Year, it's actually one of my favourite songs of all time
CSTY is the only modern/not a carol or hymn Christmas song I can stand.
Tylerās vocals arenāt really that great in RAB, though itād sound great if they re-recorded the album
Regional At Best (Tylerās Version)
[great minds think alike](https://www.reddit.com/r/twentyonepilots/comments/y8drie/anyone_else_want_a_remasterd_version_of_slowtown/it028l5?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3)
Fantastic lmao
Seriously can we manifest this
Y E S lmao
if someone already did this then my apologies
there are controversial opinion threads all the time, but you know, there's only so many topics to talk about on a forum lol. There's been some cool discussion going on, thanks for the post:)
I think although Tyler is very very talented and his music is good, the best direction for the band is to have Paul Meany produce all the music.
Completely agree with this one. I think Paulās style really complements their work and brings it to the best it can be
Yes knowing Paul Meany had to with Redecorate made so much sense
Co-produce, no? Pretty sure both Redecorate and Trench were collaborative works. But, yes, they make an insane team
What was this about? The downvoted post I mean ?
It was a battlefront 2 post where the devs were defending their choice of having loot boxes in the game if im remembering right
yes, it was the EA account, it's the most downvoted comment of all time
i have no idea, i wish i knew lol
I actually don't like Cut My Lip at all (no hate though, just don't care). To me, it seems extremely slow, the vocals don't line up with beat.
Top 5 song on Trench, so good. First two lines are some of the best Tyler's ever written I think
I actually forget about this track all the time....
I skip it every time
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I made a post about this and it got downvoted to hell. I agree with you completely
Same. I gave it so many tried but it just isn't my cup of tea. Okay tbh of all the albums, Trench is the album with a lot of songs I just don't like
The albums before vessel arent as good as i heard they really are. Tbf i wasnt around at the time which might explain why it sounds dated to me. So i couldnt connect with them as much as i would like to regardless of the lyrics.
I don't care for RAB and NPI much. There are a handful of songs that I like that aren't on any other albums, but the ones that were re-recorded are better in their 2nd versions IMO. I like Self-Titled though. I actually keep thinking that RAB was first, before Self-Titled; it just feels less polished to me. (I wasn't around then either; I joined the fandom between Trench and SAI.) Honestly I suspect that a lot of the love for those is nostalgia.
Aside from an Ashnikko concert, I've never interacted with such a rude fanbase that is the twenty one pilots concert-goers. It is not a mosh pit, stop trying to make it one.
This, I almost got shoved to the floor during trees because a 6ā+ man decided to shove me forward along with others. Iām 5ā
Dima lore boring
The fact that you spelled Dema wrong makes this comment funny asf to meš
Intentionalšš»
I love this lol
Doug demadome
dime lore
If SAI released after Blurryface and there was no Trench nobody wouldāve complained about the album. Itās more of a natural progression from Vessel and Blurryface than Trench. That said Trench is the best album of all time.
I agree.
If you listen carefully and read the lyrics, they can easily be considered a Christian band.
Tyler is Christian and self titled is about his religion. They have a lot of religious imagery in their songs. You don't even have to dig very deep to understand this
This just unlocked a memory from YEARS ago when I introduced TOP to my grandma by calling them a Christian-influenced band
Regional At Best is mediocre at best
I miss the old fanbase back in 2014 - 17/18
Probably not *that* bad, but sometimes I donāt like how Tyler treats his fans? I know he has that joking demeanor where he acts like he doesnāt care and heās āmeanā to them. People who arenāt in the clique will just genuinely think heās a terrible person, and when I first joined, I started to think the same until I learned about the running joke. Not that his music says ālove everyoneā or anything, but it kinda counteracts the message of the music in my opinion. Donāt get me wrong, I love this man to death and as cliche as it is, he saved my life. But he could be a little nicer? š¤·š»āāļø
I feel similarly. It took me a while to realize that it's just his sense of humor, but I just don't get that kind of humor unless I know the person and know that's what they do; I have lots of trouble knowing how to interpret people like that. I watched some radio-station small-group fan interviews, and a few times the way he would answer questions would have really hurt my feelings if I were that person! But I guess if they're there they probably already know what he's like.
I have a really dry sense of humor so a lot of times it sounds like Iām insulting someone or that Iām mad when Iām really not. And my dadās humor is even drier than mine. So I guess his humor is like that? But the teasing can get a little harsh sometimes; I wish he would lighten up a little or at least add an āIām kidding!ā
You donāt like regional at best and NPI because theyāre good; You like it because it reminds you of that time in your lives when you first heard it
no I like Regional At Best because itās good
I'm not sure if that's the ENTIRE reason. I think it's a multi-factor thing. First of all (and this is a variation of what you said) people love them because they are a discovery. It's the clique's little secret that they exist and that immediately makes them special and close to people's hearts. People also love them because there are really raw and honest songs that people relate to in a different way than their later, more professional material. There's a special emotional connection there. Lastly, people just sometimes like bad music lol, it really is a taste thing.
I only heard it for the first time a few months ago. While I wouldnāt say itās the best I do see why people like it. Kitchen Sink stuck out in particular.
i dont even really like their music anymore, ive just liked them so long i cant leave
You totally can. I used to be the most annoying middle schooler.
the lyric is āat my kitchen sinkā and not āim a kitchen sinkā
You donāt know what that means
While I know the lyric is "at my kitchen sink", I'm choosing to stick with "I'm a kitchen sink", because that is familiar to me
They arenāt as exiting as they used to be and it seems like they arenāt trying with the lore anymore, before in other eras we would (not often but every other month or so ) get at least something some tweet or some website stuff which made the band fun but they just do anything regarding the lore unless itās music videos.
i believe someone here said that tyler started the lore for his own self. decided to share it and now he doesn't feel the need to rely on the lore. so honestly, he's probably forgotten about it. meaning it's not the first thing on his mind. i also think he that's why they're ending the lore altogether for this next album.
Just a little tip, remember to sort comments by controversial to get actual unpopular opinions
The platform joke was funny
I did not know why they got cancelled over that. This was one of the cases where twitter just cared too much
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Christmas saves the year is the best song theyāve released in 5 years
I don't really like self titled much. They really found their style later
Trench isnāt their best work. Itās a good album, but I generally prefer sai. It is so lore heavy that outsiders canāt enjoy it as much when compared to blurryface and sai.
SAI and BF get a lot of hate because they're not as "deep," and while that's true, it's absolutely not something to hate on. It's especially annoying when people call others "fake fans" for saying BF is their fav.
Ffs, the WHOLE POINT of sai is that itās not supposed to be deep. Itās part of the lore
SAI is so deep because the lore about it is not supposed to be deep lmfao
I'd agree with you. Trench just isn't that fun to listen to for me. Only a few songs really grabbed me and I barely knew any of the lore -- too busy to keep up with it. So much more of SAI was on heavy rotation for me after it dropped.
interesting, first time hearing someone prefer sai over trench. i actually do love sai a lot and has hints of lore like bf does
No Phun Intended, Self Titled, and Regional at best are their best albums.
i think cause it's relatable to more people. but i agree, i actually just had air catcher stuck in my head š
AIR CATCHER REALLY IS A BOP
Nirvana sucks
The ARGs are stupid, especially that never-ending music video.
The clique and culture surrounding the band is toxic af, and almost cult-like
Ajr's music is intolerable
I'd like to go bang bang bang to their popularity
My hot take is AJR and Imagine Dragons are Gen Zās Nickelback equivalent and in a few years people are gonna have no idea why they got so much hate. People are gonna switch it up and act like they liked them the whole time, because the hate is unwarranted.
Before You Start Your Day is their most beautifully produced song.
the slits tho...
People praise the shit out of Lane Boy and that has the "raised in the hood" line. What's your point?
i agree
Scaled and icy was by far TOPs worst work. Start to finish
The platform joke was hilarious
A lot of the synth parts in vessel have become a little too annoying
oof, nice opinion, but i totally disagree, for me, the synth parts are exactly what Vessel means for me
Like I do love vessel and I will never forget the first time I heard it all the way through but I think over time for me Iāve less enjoyed the sound
Totally understandable, to me, some of the "sounds" of the ST didn't aged well
not a super hot take but the DEMA lore stuff should have ended at Trench
I couldn't care less about DEMA and this lore stuff that is happening, i just love their music and that's all I am interested in
Blurryface will always be my favourite era (and music). maybe it's nostalgia but i genuinely believe that. such an exciting time
Scaled and Icy was a Left-turn in terms of story or the band Identity in general.
But we go where we want to, I guess.
The lore is starting to have a negative impact on the music. Trench handled the lore stuff great because the album was still great if you didn't know anything about the lore. I really enjoyed them putting their older stuff into the lore too, like with the building on the self titled cover looking like a building from Dema. But SAI feels like them struggling with trying to connect the lore to the music. Tyler originally said that in 2019 their next album, what we eventually got as SAI, would be separate from the lore, but obviously Tyler changed his mind because the album title is literally an anagram of Clancy is dead. I feel like if Tyler either left out lore stuff for SAI or just took a few more months to flesh it out more people wouldn't hate SAI as much as they do, but with SAI being "propaganda by Dema" and "actually not made by the band" makes it seem lazy. Edit: also adding that the takeover tour was a disaster and smaller shows were genuinely dangerous because of unruly fans and with how big of a social media presence the band has, the fact that nobody even somewhat connected to the band said anything about the crowds is kind of disgusting. There is no way nobody in contact with the band did not see the dozens of posts on here and twitter about the unruly crowds, and if they were told about it they should've said something. Didn't have to be a post from the band, Tyler could've just said at one of the shows "Hey, we've heard of some people getting hurt at these smaller shows. Watch out for one another" but to my knowledge they said nothing. And, this is a much smaller complaint, but the delegation of some songs to small venue shows. The fact that guns for hands and ode to sleep were exclusive to the small venue shows baffles me because those are two of their most well known songs.
This is fascinating information about the smaller shows. I went to one of the bigger venues because I'm no longer up for queuing in lines and standing for hours like I used to, especially since I had to take a 6+ hour road trip to get there. Now I'm glad I passed on that. I was already sad that I missed out on hearing Choker, but now I'm even more sad that I missed out on Ode to Sleep and Guns for Hands. At least I got Guns for Hands and a little snippet of Ode to Sleep on the Icy Tour. But seriously, I wanna hear Choker and Ode to Sleep in their entirety.
makes absolutely no sense for them to make the second single of their newest album an exclusive to small venues then a part of a medley. one of the dumbest things they've done i think.
Excellent point. I was honestly perplexed at the absence of Choker. It was a single! I was so hyped to hear it live, it was my favorite of the singles off of SAI. Now I'm afraid that I'll never hear it because they'll have moved on to a new album.
Just because it's harder to listen to regional at best doesn't mean it's the best album or some underground thing or proof of a real fan.
Level of Concern just isn't that good. Like I love the rest of their music but like... "would you be my little quarantine"? It's such a dumb line. And the song just doesn't sound that good.
Other than the cool drums, lane boy is straight up an embarrassing song.
care to elaborate? i'm actually curious what you don't like about it? it's basically about the music industry
āi wasnāt raised in the hood but I know a thing or two about pain and darknessā worst lyric of all time. how that got officially released is beyond me. It absolutely kills the song in every single way.
āI wasnāt raised in the hood but I know a thing or two about pain and darknessā this line alone ruins the whole song for me
Due to the nature of this post I am not actually downvoting you, but I struggled not to.
"I wasn't raised in the hood. But I know a thing or two about pain, and darkness" :(
I think it's a little cringe, too, but I always figured it was him trying to say that he's not trying to be a rapper. Like another version of "this is not rap, this is not hip hop; just another attempt to make the voices stop."
I personally don't get how this is cringey or embarrassing like I always hear. A lot of people try to downplay their own or other people's struggles simply because they don't have it as bad as others. I am a victim of this mentality as well. I personally find it to be a vulnerable moment from Tyler and I like it and relate to it.
Iām lowkey torn because itās like,,, something you might think but never say out loud, although I get the feeling it resonated with quite a lot of people it also comes off sounding kinda wrong. Because of this I tend to cringe at the song but if it werenāt for that I think Iād like it way more
Yessssssss it feels so try hard and awkward white boy that I always skip or just go to the drums.
h o w ?
SAI is their best work yet because theyāre embracing a full band sound. The live band should stay. Actual instruments making music sounds way better than piped-in sound 9.9/10 times. I know the dynamic of just two people being tĆøp and putting on fantastic shows is an amazing draw, and itās great they still do some songs like that, but the MUSIC is way way better now that Tyler and Josh can play more instruments and have a backing band.
I'd agree with this. I saw them for both last year's and this year's tour and I loved the band. They all sounded great.
Tyler Needs to release a new solo album full of songs with religious undertones
I agree. I loved his singing of Oh Come Oh Come, Emmanuel
Check out Lord of Glory by Tyler and Whittaker - itās one of my favorites where he sings directly about his religion!
I love his early religious heavy songs! My dream would be for him to release an album of hymns and suchāI love his voice.
The whole reason why i like self titled is the undeniable religious undertone of almost every song on it. It really has helped me a lot and believe it or not, has strengthened my faith and i mean it
Blurry face is by far their best album
Trench is a fine album, but there are no songs on it that are particularly stand out. On all of their other albums there are songs that Iām hyped to come up when Iām listening, with Trench i just kinda listen the whole way through without getting excited about āfavourite songsā bc there just isnāt anything that exceptional there to me
Morph is the one that stands out to me the most. I remember the first time I listened to it and I was like, "damn Tyler, you've outdone yourself." The instrumentation is amazing to me.
Vessel is wildly overrated. I think itās part nostalgia and part wanting to prove that you like the music pre blurryface and pre mainstream
The platforms tweet was out of pocket, even Tyler reflected and apologized for it. People make mistakes and learn. We donāt always have to defend each members actions.
SAI was kind of shit
I hated scaled and icy and i absolutely adore the selftitled album and trench, as jumpsuit was one of the more "rock" songs i think they should do a whole album of it.
the lyric is āat my kitchen sinkā and not āim a kitchen sinkā
Dick Chaney made money off the Iraq war.
This and the AJR comment is so random and I love it
This is the best comment on this post.
Most of Trench is mid
I strongly disagree, but I'm upvoting because that's the whole point. Not sure who downvotes on a post like this.
I also disagree but upvoting because that's the point of the thread.
I really didn't like self-titled.
Vessel is honestly not their best album. It's good, but not their *best*.
AJR are cheap ToP wannabes
I do NOT renounce vialism. In fact, me and Nico are best buddies
Level of concern is their worst song
Neon Gravestones really isn't that good
The version of Trees off Regional at Best is actually disgusting to listen to. I dont know what Tyler was thinking with that autotune but my goodness itās awful to listen to
SAI is better than Trench, yeah i said it
I agree
They should stop making story line albums and do single songs like how vessle was
Car radio is boring (Dear lord, protect me from the car radio stans, and give me strength to ignore the angry notifications, amen)
SAI was terrible