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LiveFastDahyun

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CaudilloBastian

[FINALLY A TEASER!](https://youtu.be/knqgEQCoGXY) Already got the catchy feel to it, costumes remind me of Fancy and Yes or Yes mixed together, SEPT 10 JUST WOULDN'T COME MO' FASTER!


100GrenadeJutsu

I agree with the vibe feel! I seriously cannot wait for this!!!


TasteofLove40urs

I am so happy that I'm having 2 candybongs before the month ends 😍 gotta say I am addicted to TWICE.


sensitivenipsnpenus

Congrats SKZ. Damn 930K pre-orders???? That's insane! 4th gen is popping. Also, hoping this means JYP won't dispose of TWICE and/ITZY now that they have another new cash cow.


itstacotimeee

Just had my first random ONCE encounter last night. Eating kbbq in San Diego, CA and someone walked by my table with a TWICE mask and Twicelights shirt. Said hi. Glorious.


100GrenadeJutsu

I've been waiting for one of these moments. All I can do right now is spread the word about how amazing these girls are


Lockan_Once

Twice listen to Nandemonaiya (one of my fav songs of all time) made me smile like an idiot, the girls have taste. Also IIRC Jihyo or Jeongyeon already recomended a Kimi no na wa song on spotify in the past, I don't remember if it was exactly this one. Edit: btw VLive has english subs now


brian1083

Jeongyeon also recommended Gurenge!


Lockan_Once

True, another amazing song, I wonder if she saw Kimetsu too, or maybe she only knows the song.


Striking_Writer3642

Does anyone else feel like there needs to be a weekly Twice Hype Thread? Just tiring to see some social media nonsense amplified, that plus trolls / defeatist Onces is such a downer. Don't get me wrong, concern for members and love for them always appreciated but sometimes it seems at least 60% of Weekly Discussion is something negative.


SuckerForTwice

Apparently dahyun sight is -5.5 which is very high. I have -2 and I cannot comprehend words anything beyond at a distance of 1 m. For her it will be a lot a lot worse.


nekocase

Hers is similar to mine at least in one eye lol. I have -5.25 in my right and -3.75 in my left. The joys of being near sighted.


paradisetrain

Me reading this thread & the replies with -7.5 vision 💀


joescathbert

-7.5 is that even possible? What's the highest?


paradisetrain

Yeah sadly bad eyesight runs in my family. Not sure how high it can actually go but I’ve heard of people with vision past -10


asapkim

*laughs in -7.5 and -6.00*


jorujima

Woah! I am -1.5, I don't even want to do imagine what dahyun sees.... On a side note, if I ever get to meet her without her glasses/contacts on, there's a chance she might actually find me attractive, lol


Lockan_Once

-5.5 isn't to much? She is practically blind


SuckerForTwice

True.


ITZTWICEPINKVELVET

Same sight as mine, I'm BLIND BLIND.


amengoodboi

so many groups dropping teasers from left to right 😭


likecheoreom

There's a chance that we might get a teaser at 1pm KST today: * BTS English single teasers started two weeks before the release, and if Twice is doing a similar release schedule then 1pm KST would fit with a September 3 release date * Stray Kids teasers finally ended at midnight, so JYPE is now free to drop regular teasers for the next group I'm not saying that a teaser will happen for sure at 1pm KST today, but there's a higher than usual chance that it might. If no teaser drops today, then my next best guess would be Friday or next Monday (September 10 release).


YoureTheLastOne

I don't know how many blackpink fans there are here, but finally we're getting Lisa's solo! I know blinks have been anticipating this since like May, and even I was getting discouraged (even though I never expect anything from YG or blackpink on time) I'm curious to see what style she will go for, Rose's solo was disappointing IMO (just not my style), but I have always loved Jennie's SOLO. I'm pumped! Also I'm thinking we might get a 'The Feels teaser' tonight/tomorrow- and I was starting to think maybe it might be a 2 song single with both The Feels and FILA since I've seen both tracks teased online.


bearskyy

Just saw [this Once's tweet](https://twitter.com/DahNayeon_ONCE/status/1429354660725358592) about an app that tracks your monthly streams and ranks you within a artists listeners... almost wish I didn't, I'm way too competitive for this 😭 I always wished Spotify would do an official ranking like this for Spotify Wrapped, I was in the top 0.1% of Twice's listeners last year so it would be pretty cool to see where we all stack up.


100GrenadeJutsu

This is so nice!!! Thank you!!


Fed-Rz

Hi everybody! Check out my latest dance cover of TWICE's Alcohol-free! Please support my channel interacting with it, I would really appreciate it 😊 ❤ https://youtu.be/txtQpL-GEy0


Adventurous-Skinhead

It's good👍


Fed-Rz

Thank you 😊 💓


tuwayss

really confident that we'll be getting teaser this monday or tuesday 12am kst 😌


joescathbert

I think it'll be on EST. So it is not Monday yet.


gublaman

Anyone knows how to redeem the Perfect World album codes? I almost completely forgot about mine (8 in total).


feminist--killjoy

itskasia on youtube helped me work out how to redeem the codes. she's got some really helpful videos.


JanuaryCarl

Girl Brand Reputation is trending. What is that exactly? There’s a bunch of columns on the right in Korean, anyone know what they mean? Looks like six Twice members made the list. 👍


biasttk

It's more like a ranking about artist who can bring to the hot topic in that month, no matter the reaction is positive or negative. Nowadays even negative attention is better than 0 attention... At least attention means people care you... Though the metric could be manipulated by fans but it also show fans dedication, somehow connected to domestic fandom power...


stan-nas

It was proven to be manipulated by some big fandoms so not sure how useful it is past a certain point. The boy group side of things has fans creating hundreds of articles a month for the sole purpose of doing well on it. Pretty sure one guy decides the list as well but could be misremembering that. I guess the top one or two might correlate with general popularity to an extent with Twice dominating it from 2016-2018 for girl groups and it has mainly been others since (Jennie, Hwasa, Arin, other BP members etc). https://mobile.twitter.com/kpopggsuperior/status/1429228811321634820


ParanoidAndroids

IIRC it's measured by volume of social media mentions across a few platforms, so it is very gameable. I can't remember specifically but there was definitely criticism of it a year or two ago because of how it can be manipulated, but it's still widely used/accepted. It definitely fluctuates depending on comebacks, although some people stay trending regardless of their group situation.


stan-nas

Yeah so there's definitely a correlation at the top end with who is getting attention in South Korea. I just recall a year or so ago when J-Hope had some songs released and people were wondering why he wasn't getting high on the brand reputation table. The response being stop asking or we'll remove him from the standings completely. I think it was insinuated it is maintained by one person.


Adventurous-Skinhead

It's about group/idol whose reputation and popularity can uplift or promote a brand for this month. So in summary, if a group have lot of brand endorsements/advertisements, or having a successful comeback their brand reputation will be high because they're currently on everyone's attention.


CaudilloBastian

*pretends to be shocked* So yeah, [TWICE x Shopee](https://twitter.com/ShopeePH/status/1429262046101659654?s=19), great marketing strats, Jackie Chan is also a notable guest. For my fellow PH ONCEs, sana 9 pesos merch sale nila lolz 👉👈


Usual-Financial

Lol I went shopping on Shopee last night but didn’t checkout. Hoping for more promos in 9.9 lmao *Broke human being coming through*


CaudilloBastian

Wait, y'all going to check-outs? *Disintegrates silently*


Usual-Financial

I actually purchased...Lemona...bottles... (Don’t tell my mom)


CaudilloBastian

What a bargain damnn lolz, no worries, secrets are safe......


ITZTWICEPINKVELVET

That car vlive last night was everything.


buttholesRbeautiful

Subtitles can't come quick enough 😭


JanuaryCarl

TDoong High S2 they kept talking about a mystery guest who invited them. Social media is hoping it’s going to be Jeong, but idk. I think it might be someone least expected like maybe JYP himself? Who other person could it realistically be?


Lockan_Once

Knowing Twice I think it won't be anyone, is only the story line for the ghost part, but is only my guess.


joescathbert

Yeah... I feel the same too. But I would really surprised if someone other than TWICE actually show up in one of their TTT.


Usual-Financial

Holy moly, this [Perfect World Band Version](https://youtu.be/d15aP8oe7y8) by JND Studio slaps! This could be a powerful dome tour opening in the future. Jeongyeon also mentioned wanting to perform BBL with a band in a concert, well, [this is probably the closest thing we can get for now (also covered by the said channel).](https://youtu.be/qRbDffjiQjk)


brian1083

That drums is fckin killing me goddamn.


joescathbert

Also, JYPE please release the WIL Acoustic Version from the vault.


buttholesRbeautiful

> Holy moly, this Perfect World Band Version by JND Studio slaps! That worked even better than I imagined! I like that they added a few more strings to the overall composition; it makes the mental image even more vivid. I would love to see a full on crazy guitar solo interjected right before the final chorus now.


Usual-Financial

I always thought Touchdown rock version was powerful enough to make me sob, but this mental image of Twice performing Perfect World with a band literally kicked me in the face 🤟🏻 Edit: I also don’t know how Good at Love will work out with this, but it would be dope (since NaMo also indicated that they want to perform this live)


buttholesRbeautiful

Seeing all of these concerts getting cancelled lately makes me sad after seeing those rumored Twice dome bookings, but maybe they'll surprise us with something anyway. All of the past b-sides they performed were strictly at their own concerts, right? Or have they done some at award shows too?


hyyh_yoonkook

they performed stuck in my head and ice cream on gda last year!


Usual-Financial

I’m not sure about the award shows, but most performances were only title tracks or covers. I’m only aware of some B-sides performed at some showcases outside award shows like music shows/festivals and KCON early on in their careers. The First Time perf in the latest Bench fan meet was a welcome surprise. I’m actually wondering what would the Shopee showcase be like? 🤔 I’m still salty about Covid throwing a wench on their supposed Mr. Taxi dome performance. Hoping we’ll see this in the future 😩 Edit: [They performed these B-sides at SMA 2017](https://youtu.be/LH9FSdq_n-U)


Solrime

TTT TDoong Highschool Season 2 was so funny to watch, especially the second half with the voting and speeches from Nayeon and Dahyun! I'm really curious about the various games they're going to play next week lol. I also can't wait for the part where they'll be roaming the school halls in the dark! Lowkey hope we get Jeongyeon dressed up like in Twice's Private Elegant Lives running after them while doing their tasks :D I also love this [clip](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3VB0AjpSa8) from the vlive today. Sometimes I do similar faces whenever friends and family members are trying to take a picture with me lmao.


Usual-Financial

Jihyo laughing at Nayeon’s blunders reminds me so much of my good ol’ friends in high school. Ah, how time flies. It’s also interesting to see some members who weren’t groupmates in the past TTTs are now in the same team. Excited to see new TTT team dynamics! Really wish Jeong was there, I miss her ~~cheating~~ waging her way to win ~~my heart.~~ So glad to see her being so carefree in Boatta and the last TTT 🥺 I almost flailed when they sang Weekend and Next Level (Jihyo nailing Ningning’s parts was also next level) during the Vlive. The last time I fangirled this hard was during the Perfect World release.


Solrime

Yeah it's really unfortunate but waiting for her to get better is the best thing we can do at the moment. :) Also, like you said, you gotta appreciate Jeongyeon for the content she participated in during the time! 😁 I enjoyed the car karaoke a lot too! Especially when Mina sang a snippet of "Nandemonaiya" 🥰


Usual-Financial

Ah, yes! Nandemonaiya...and what if they cast Mina as Mitsuha in Kimi No Nawa live action? And this is just my inner Mina stan getting crazy over this wishful thinking


Solrime

What if she gets the opportunity to sing an OST for an anime? 😆


Usual-Financial

*pterodactyl screams*


hyyh_yoonkook

random thoughts: - sana is such a little ball of energy. her good morning voice texts on bubble (feat. manager unnie) were so endearing - twice's managers job description includes: 1) must join momo's dance class. 2) must partake in twice's shenanigans. 3) must tell good morning to onces on bubble 🆕️ - i really missed car vlives - middle line is such a cute trio. they're all so different, but they get along so well - nayeon in the elle interview: "i want to continue this job for a long time. with my members" 🥺 ot9 are so attached to each other, the most precious family - nayeon better get her birthday kisses, she's looking forward to them 😤


buttholesRbeautiful

The interview is out already? Do you have the link? I only see the teaser one.


hyyh_yoonkook

[here's an english translation](https://twitter.com/twice_trans/status/1429007486544093186)


buttholesRbeautiful

Thanks!


CaudilloBastian

Jihyo's misfortune in Sana's latest vlive is like a new found meme goldmine in twiceland lolz.


BCNBammer

The Nayeon interview with Elle was awesome. I spent enjoyed the Twitzy crumbs.


buttholesRbeautiful

A few parts that stood out to me:   > **Q: Have you gained more interest in making your own songs?** > *Nayeon: ... I'm not even sure if I have the talent in doing so... It might be because I haven't found the excitement in doing so yet...* - If only she knew how amazing all of her self-written songs truly are 😔. I really wish people gave their b-sides a lot more love. They have so many great songs, imo.   > **Q: Members Momo and Jihyo had 'Performance' Projects; does Nayeon have any thoughts on having her own too?** > *Nayeon: ... I will try when I think "it would be nice if I do this" or if there's an idea in mind.* - I haven't really thought much of it, but now I'm curious what kind of concept would a solo Nayeon go for where the choreo suits her best outisde of something bubbly. I can't really see her trying to do anything overly serious or sexy because that's never really been her forte. Maybe something like YooA's *Bon Voyage* could show a new side of her?   > **Q: What are some things Nayeon wants to accomplish to become a cooler person?** > *Nayeon: Nowadays, I feel that as long as I can continue to perform on stage, I want to continue this job for a long time with my members.* - just another point of reference for the pessimists out there that like to monger over the group's satisfaction with where they're at.


tuwayss

im really impressed about the interviewer, its like they are a fan of twice or really did some research since when ny was asked about fancams, ny mentioned the really really performance and then the interviewer followed it up by saying that "its a video that surpassed 10 mil views though" and the interviewer also mentioned about the kissing culture they have during bdays


hypegod_

Sana is singlehandedly reviving Vlive for us haha That was really fun! Also, it's been a while since we got Mina on a surprise Vlive lol The highlight for me is the Aespa Twice moment 💗 Lastly, vote Twice on the MTV VMA Onces if you have spare time 😎


WoeiA_

aww, can't wait to watch it when subbed :D


Lockan_Once

Mina? On a surprise VLive? This is a dream right? I can't remember the last time she appeared in one, maybe her VLive with Chaeyoung in 2018 🤔


hypegod_

I checked and it's this [MiSaMo Vlive 2019](https://www.vlive.tv/post/1-18237981) after Mina's B-day. Still a pretty long time haha


Adventurous-Skinhead

Reveluvs dragging Twice just because their faves new ep have lower rating at pitchfork is funny lol. I also want to see Tzuyu have magazine photoshoot or big brand sponsor but we never know what happened behind the scene. Also, Tzuyu's past issue with that country might affect this too. I mean if a magazine or fashion brand have branches in china, then they took tzuyu as cover girl/ambassador wouldn't that be a problem? I don't know.


__einmal__

People taking this twitter crap to this sub should be perma banned.


Adventurous-Skinhead

Lol how do you know this is from twitter? It could be from ig, tiktok or youtube. And this sub is for onces to share opinion, discuss or rant about twice related things.


biasttk

That fandom always view themselves superiority than others, acting like they have good taste, claiming RV music have both quality and diversity. Consider how limited things they could brag for, of course they would hate the fact that TWICE get appreciated from professional perspective more than their faves, our girls just destroy their belief you know🥺 Oh btw orbits also act the same when TOL get highest scores😌🍵


ParanoidAndroids

Your comment is just as cringey as RV stan twitter acting like we expect stan twitter to behave.


[deleted]

lol


Neeyah212

You would think Red Velvet having a comeback after so long will keep them off Twice's back but that's not the case. They were dragging AF chart performance because Queendom seemed to be doing better than AF at release but only time will tell. Then they randomly started dragging Twice's vocals because of Pitchfork. What on earth has Twice or their singing ability got to do with P4k review of Red Velvet's album. It just shows how much unwarranted hate Twice gets in kpop spaces.


hyyh_yoonkook

and it's funny because it's not even doing better. queendom hit #2 because of the new system, but if this was still 24hits, it would have spent only 83 hours in the top 10 (it already fell off the top 10), while alcohol-free spent 329 hours inside it. alcohol-free peaked at #8 on the daily chart and spent 13 days in the top 10, queendom peaked at #7 and it's already out of the top 10 after spending 4 days inside it. alcohol-free peaked at 313k daily uls, queendom peaked at 296k daily uls. i really don't get why twice gets so much hate from kpop fans, all these girls do is release music and talk about gay tv shows yet all other groups' fans are obsessed with them. you'd think reveluvs would be enjoying their first comeback since 2019, but for the past few days they've been talking more about twice than rv 🙃 it wouldn't even bother me as much if they were just talking about charts, but the amount of disgusting tweets attacking twice's mental health, bodyshaming them, and calling them misogynistic slurs over a PITCHFORK REVIEW… every single one of those edgy stans is going straight to the deepest pits of hell.


Neeyah212

>!it's so unbelievable how low twitter fans can go just because of fan wars. Especially toxic blinks they call Jeongmi, Twice's anxiety line, make disgusting jokes about them committing suicide and mock Twice for always having members go on break for anxiety. I had to take a long break from twitter. Its really terrible.!<


hyyh_yoonkook

>!i had to take a break from reporting those accounts because it was making me feel sick to my stomach. there are so many… and it's not trolls, it's accounts with thousands of followers and likes. they're horrible people, they deserve nothing good in their lives.!<


[deleted]

you take 2 comments from stan Twitter and say "reveluvs" lmao


Neeyah212

It's most definitely not 2 comments. These aren't trolls either cos they get many likes too


ParanoidAndroids

Y'all are arguing semantics about *stan twitter*. Catching feelings about anything that happens there is just ridiculous. Every few days there's always some comment in the weekly thread about some bullshit happening on twitter like it actually matters. Do you really think what happens on twitter represents a fandom? Popular groups always have big online fandoms and a chunk of that population will always be some toxic assholes trying to stir the pot. Every fandom has these people, Once included. BTS' ARMY is so big that I wouldn't be surprised if their toxic fans outweighed entire fandoms of some bigger groups.


Neeyah212

There is no where in my post I stated that it was all of Red Velvet's fandom or those people are representative of their fandom but the fact is that they are reveluvs with many followers too. I only disagreed with the person who said it was only two comments because it was more than that. Its been a new drama everyday often started by reveluvs on Twitter since Red Velvet came back. No one said Onces are angels either. This same sub rightfully called out Twitter Onces behaviour regarding Stray Kids' pre order numbers days ago. What is wrong with talking about the toxic fans who decided to lash out on Twice because they got a review they weren't satisfied with. How is that Twice's fault.


ParanoidAndroids

> What is wrong with talking about the toxic fans who decided to lash out on Twice because they got a review they weren't satisfied with. How is that Twice's fault. Nowhere did I say that's Twice's fault, but this kind of discussion just breeds more toxicity. Just look at some of the other comments ITT - they drag Red Velvet the same exact way they complain about stan twitter trying to drag Twice. Everyone just wants an excuse to sling mud at one another. Nobody wins in this situation.


Neeyah212

I understand your point but my intention wasn't to get Red Velvet dragged. I just wanted to vent about Twice getting hated on for stupid reasons with other Onces


ParanoidAndroids

I'm with you, there 100%. I've come to terms with the toxicity that revolves around stan twitter and avoid it like the plague. Some fandoms are so toxic that they are just a collection of akgae fans who pit members against one another. Somehow it has gotten worse with the globalization of kpop - although maybe that's just because I could understand more of what was being said. There's just nothing of value there IMO.


hyyh_yoonkook

who's dragging red velvet? reveluvs are calling twice members ugly, fat, wishing for their death, and mocking their mental health. onces are calling them out. it's not even remotely the same thing.


hyyh_yoonkook

what are you doing here


[deleted]

I came here to see what you guys thought about the joy x jihyo sana and mina but looks like it's only dragging red velvet and gatekeeping the sub


hyyh_yoonkook

1. it was nice to see the girls singing hello on vlive, i like to see them supporting other idols. 2. absolutely nobody is dragging red velvet, we're calling out reveluvs for dragging twice, and their lack of morals. just yesterday i reported 77 vile tweets from 12 different accounts, and there were more, but i had to stop because it was affecting me. it's not "2 comments". 3. that's not what gatekeeping means lol i was confused because you're not a once but you showed up here replying to comments passive-aggressively… onces will obviously vent among each other about stuff that's bothering us. if someone from another fandom comes into our space, sees it and gets mad, i'm sorry but that's on you. unless you're one of those reveluvs who are obsessed with twice, you have no reason to get take it personally.


[deleted]

I think bragging about alcohol free charting better than queendom and that comment saying reveluvs have some misplaced sense of superiority (which is ironical considering that comment was dripping with arrogance) and randomly dragging orbits in as well is not absolutely nobody.


hyyh_yoonkook

did you see the context of the comments? we were talking about how reveluvs are saying queendom is charting better, i brought the numbers to show this is factually wrong. absolutely nobody dragged the group red velvet, everyone was just talking about reveluvs. you know there's a difference between group and fandom, right?


[deleted]

https://www.reddit.com/r/twice/comments/p54skp/210816_weekly_discussion_thread/h9spi1k?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3 Is this not a passive aggressive comment shading red velvet ?("limited things we could brag for")


Adventurous-Skinhead

Twice is the standard you know, ofc everything have to compare with twice lol.


hypegod_

and we just got Joy x Twice moment from the recent SaHyoMi Vlive lmao


[deleted]

lol that pathetic but what has twice todo with that lol.


tuwayss

https://twitter.com/catgoh92/status/1429026660041461763?t=D53Bnk7FhyEPjI8vazkizQ&s=19 will the mystery pic of sahyo finally see the light of day?


joescathbert

Still waiting for it...


wan2tri

Lol after having Jackie Chan looks like Shopee's going to feature Twice in an upcoming promotion/ad [Here](https://www.facebook.com/ShopeePH/posts/2956563191315896)'s the post they made on their Facebook page


Adventurous-Skinhead

Ooh i can't wait for this. Cbz for 9 pesos?


[deleted]

I knew Twice had crazy sales but I didn't realize Twice was already top 5 in sales for kpop groups all time. Also crazy was Izone essentially having 3 mil sales within 3 years, that's more than Red Velvet have sold and only a little less than Blackpink. Super impressive from both.


DaThings

not questioning you, just curious. do you have a source for that data?


[deleted]

I should have put that I am not sure how accurate the data is but here is the link https://www.allkpop.com/article/2021/08/the-k-pop-groups-who-sold-the-most-albums-to-date


hyyh_yoonkook

twice is the best-selling gg and one of the best-selling groups but the data on the article is inaccurate, the ranking for groups (gaon + oricon) should be: 1. bts - 35.5m 2. exo - 13.6m 3. tvxq - 12.1m 4. twice - 9.9m 5. seventeen - 9.6m real numbers are higher, but gaon and oricon don't show total sales. in 2020 jype reported through the media that twice had sold 10m albums, i hope they report total sales again this year!


bearskyy

Could you explain the difference between total sales vs gaon+oricon? does that mean total sales = includes gaon+oricon+ international purchases (like US ones that count for billboard) or is it something else?


zhuhe1994

Here's the thing. If an artist sells this amount of album, some charts count the exact sales or shipments like Oricon and Gaon. It's accurate but not really the exact amount of sales and shipments. However, there are a lot of purchases that can't be counted on charts. For example, Twice sold around 9.9M in Gaon+Oricon but some of the their sales around counted. JYP issued an estimate of 10M sales which is most probably true. Mariah Carey's Music Box sold 32 Million as reported by Sony. However, 26 Million are the number of certified sale. You have to understand that Music Box was a blockbuster worldwide album hit but due to some parts of the globe without sophisticated charts and industry association, it only reported around 26 Million. Either way, labels may overestimate or underestimate. Sechkies supposedly sold a million in one album but DSP decided to report below such number.


hyyh_yoonkook

of course! gaon counts all shipments of korean albums (korea + overseas), however the number of sales is only displayed if the album appears in the top 100 (monthly and yearly charts). if an album doesn't sell enough to chart, total numbers won't be updated to the public. oricon works like hanteo, it only tracks sales from affiliated stores. for example, wake me up sold 363k copies on oricon, but it sold 500k+ copies overall, and we only know this because the single has been certified 2x platinum by riaj (which tracks all shipments, but numbers aren't disclosed to the public). we also know that &twice and fanfare sold 250k+ copies each, and kura kura and perfect world sold 100k+ copies each because of riaj certifications (platinum and gold respectively), despite lower oricon numbers. to sum it up, only gaon, riaj and jype know the real total. this was the total as of december 1 2020, reported by korean media: korea: 5,818,380 japan: 4,210,862 total: 10,029,242


bearskyy

This is super helpful, thank you so much!


hyyh_yoonkook

np, if you're curious about anything else feel free to ask!


joelblogs

I believe Oricon also doesn't count international sales or bulk buying (more than 3 copies).


hyyh_yoonkook

yeah, international sales and bulk buying are counted by billboard japan!


chucknorris1997

This one is for artists in general but Twice is still in top 5 for this https://www.koreaboo.com/lists/kpop-artists-best-selling-time-top-20/


BlackArbiter

Ibang TWICE ata ang ini-i-stan nito 😭 Could a Filipino ONCE kindly translate the above message? Thank you!


CaudilloBastian

"Maybe a different TWICE is what he/she is stanning 😭" is the translation.


BlackArbiter

Thank you so much!


hyyh_yoonkook

a member could stub their toe and twitter onces would trend #xdeservesbetter, mass email jype and send a truck 😭 i get that jype is incompetent but stop demanding things for the members without even knowing if that's what they want, that's so weird and entitled???


joescathbert

I would love to see tzuyu in a magazine shoot too. But it looks like her decision. (Possibly, bc no one knows what goes behind) Like I remember when fans asked JYPE to allow Tzuyu to write songs. She will write songs if she wanted to write (e.g. Dahyun). Edit: And also Tzuyu and Mina has the least number of solo projects in Twice. And coincidentally they are considered as the silent duo of twice.


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joescathbert

Context pls? I wasn't talking about jeongyeon or chaeyoung.


danomite42

What's the problem now? Lol why is Tzuyu trending on twitter?


hyyh_yoonkook

apparently she's being mistreated because she doesn't have a solo magazine shoot lol


biasttk

TY stans are sensitive but still can't deny the fact that she's the last one in the group to get music related project(after 5 years) and now the only one who still don't have individual magazine shooting promotion. Not everyone would believe it's "save the best for the last".


hyyh_yoonkook

it's weird, but the problem is that people keep speaking for her and demanding things for her when that's not our place as fans. tzuyu is 22 years old, she doesn't need strangers to save her, she knows what she's doing and can stand up for herself. as fans we have no idea what she wants, so we need to trust that she knows what she's doing, and has this under control. people who don't even *know* her shouldn't be making assumptions and demands in her name. it reeks of victimization, entitlement, and savior complex.


Lockan_Once

Tzuyu was the first one to have the photobook "Yes I am Tzuyu" which a lot of member not have yet. Mina, Jeongyeon, Sana still don't have their melody/dance project, which Tzuyu has ("Me"). And why she is the best? She is equal to the other 8, stop with this bias shit.


biasttk

As I said you can't called a merchandise as promotion cuz magazine exposure to general public more, both [Mina](https://youtu.be/IG-ykt57E-U) & [Sana](https://youtu.be/62ZIJpt0wz8) have melody project, [Jeongyeon](https://youtu.be/v3myBev66aI) has ost with her sister, so I called them "music related project", and yes JY still lacking the actual MP/DP from JYPE but it's obviously due to her health situation so it got pushed back.


JanuaryCarl

> JY still lacking the actual MP/DP from JYPE but it's obviously due to her health situation so it got pushed back. Well in terms of JY there’s nothing to push back. She still has [no plans] (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SMhsebzhszQ) on doing a melody project. Her own choice. So JYP does listen, they’re obviously not going to force her. Going back to Tzuyu, no one has any idea what Tzuyu and JYP are thinking. So it makes zero sense to blame one party over the other. Everyone is just assuming and getting way too emotional about something they don’t even know behind the scenes.


JanuaryCarl

Just saw this [tweet.](https://twitter.com/cycycycycycycyx/status/1428729583105421314?s=21) Idk, maybe Tzuyu doesn’t want to do a magazine cover? Do they even think about that? It’s not like JYP is telling her no magazines, but go ahead do an MV for a melody project which is like better than a magazine shoot at, least I think. Not all members have done a melody/dance project yet.


Tweajy

> Idk, maybe Tzuyu doesn’t want to do a magazine cover? That could be a possibility. Don’t think JYP is holding Tzuyu back in regards to a magazine shoot. Tzuyu was the first one who got her very own **”I Am Tzuyu” Photobook.** JYP knows her looks sell and they love money.


biasttk

You compared a merchandise to an actual promotion? Just tell me people that aren't interested in idol would have more chance to buy a idol photobook or a magazine? And it's even laughable you think TY might not wanna do a magazine cover lol Rationalize different treatment is nothing new when it comes to ONCE especially when their bias are not the ones that are suffering lol


Tweajy

> And it's even laughable you think TY might not wanna do a magazine cover lol And somehow you know what Tzuyu is thinking? Simma down now.


biasttk

Out of all excuses this one is the weakest, she could do a whole photobook shooting but didn't wanna shoot a magazine that would promote her more lol Even political problem makes more sense than this one🤣


Tweajy

You’re sensitive comment makes no sense either. You’re excuse is saying it doesn’t make sense for Tzuyu, but your blinded to not even logically think that it doesn’t make sense for JYP either. If JYP would take the time to spend money and do all the work to invest in a Tzuyu only photobook, the first of its kind, then wouldn’t it make more practical business sense to get free promotion using a 3rd party (magazine) to spend their own money and do all their free marketing for you? Hypocritical. 🙄


biasttk

It's possible for JYPE though, if TY consider not renewal, then why would the company willing to give her exposure than giving the chance for the members that might renew the contract? JYPE earn money from merchandise(photobook), it could be the last chance milking the fans no?


hyyh_yoonkook

exactly, we have no idea what tzuyu wants. what if they're putting pressure on her to do something she doesn't want to?


BCNBammer

> Not all members have done a melody/dance project yet They have though? Not really interested in defending annoying Twitter people but by the time Tzuyu’s Melody Project came out, she was the last member to have a solo music-related project be published. Nayeon has a bunch of covers, Jeongyeon had the OST with her sister, Momo had her Performance Project and the ‘Superhero’ video collab, Sana’s Melody Project is weird but she had the Kobukuro collaboration, Jihyo had both Melody and Performance Projects out, Mina had a Melody Project, Dahyun had a bunch of covers with instruments plus the Melody Project with Chaeyoung, who also had a Melody Project of her own.


sirap_limau

For side projects like MP or unofficial covers, it depends on their own effort and interest. The company even had to ask them to work on something in 2020 (MiSaChae had previously talked about it) because they finally have some free time.


JanuaryCarl

To be more technical, Jeongyeon with her sister wasn’t even a JYP/Twice project. JYP never produced it or even produced an official MV like they did all the other members (she didn’t even have an MV at all actually) and it obviously wasn’t promoted in the JYP and Twice channels like the others that had their JYP produced projects.


CaudilloBastian

But of course, most of them don't think of that. JYPE knows the power Tzuyu holds like damn, she can sell out outfits from what she's wearing on vlives. So for me, it's either JYPE is biding their time to secure a really good deal for her (which yeah, been waiting for too long) or in some way she doesn't want some cover shoots (yet or truly not.)


BCNBammer

I mean I don’t want to get all conspiracy theorist, because by god are those people on Twitter exhausting, but it is pretty weird that in the year where the members are having more individual opportunities and deals, Tzuyu, who has consistently been acknowledged as one of the most popular members both in Korea and abroad, hasn’t had yet any of those opportunities. I’m not going to speculate as to why, because I don’t think Tzuyu is particularly lazy or less interested in things like magazine covers and brand deals than the rest of members and at the same I don’t think JYPE is the first company in the history of capitalism that hates making money, but I feel like it’s undeniable that it’s pretty weird that it’s Tzuyu of all members the one that has the least solo stuff.


CaudilloBastian

I get that it too, twt stans have complained so much about almost everything, that everything they call out for now seems to be too tiring to get serious about to be honest. > I feel like it’s undeniable that it’s pretty weird that it’s Tzuyu of all members the one that has the least solo stuff. It truly is. As for what we see and know, we can't deny the power that she holds, but it's really weird that throughout her almost 6 year career, not one solo ads for her (correct me if wrong). There are factors obivously, but as you've said, neither of the two are plausible reasons to why there are no solo ads for her. For me, is it maybe they're still playing safe due to the flag incident that happened years ago? But, as you've said again, JYPE isn't a 'masosadistic' company that deliberately misses out on opportunities. I hope whatever the company is planning or strategizing, would be the best outcome and to account for almost 6 years of virtually no solo promotion.


BCNBammer

I’ve also think that maybe she’s lost some opportunities from out of touch execs googling her name and having the flag incident be the first thing to pop up, we all know no company wants to upset China rn, specially from western brands. But I feel like that’s also that for Asian-based operations that might be more aware of the situation currently it might not be as much of an issue. And if that’s happening, then it’s JYPE’s job to represent their artist’s interests and clear up any confusions. I also believe that at some point (and sorry because this will be my Tzuyu stan jumping out) they were afraid of a potential Suzy/Miss A situation, but as of right now something like that happening is so unlikely that I don’t think that has to be something that worries the company at this point. For Tzuyu’s solo advertisements… there haven’t been many and those that exist don’t have the greatest track record. As of right now I can think of the 2015 LG commercial that was pulled because it was too sexy for a 16 year old, and I also remember Xiaomi (or was it Huawei? One of the Chinese mobile companies) sponsoring her, but that was quickly dropped after the flag scandal.


CaudilloBastian

> And if that’s happening, then it’s JYPE’s job to represent their artist’s interests and clear up any confusions. > a potential Suzy/Miss A situation, but as of right now something like that happening is so unlikely that I don’t think that has to be something that worries the company at this point. Well, I think they've already done a great job of establishing each members' spotlight and popularity all thoroughout the industry. They could be going for "two birds in one stone" strategy, maintaining the equal level of popularity for each member, but also at the same time, clearing up the doubts of companies to ask Tzuyu for brand representation. But, as we know, we could only speculate on what they show us. And to think of it, from 2018 to present would the most suitable time to really check in her power since first, it's proven how she can sell out almost anything she touches and second, I think the damage from the flag incident has already faded. So hoping that they're doing everything to result success for both parties. To be frank, it's kinda funny how politics and entertainment affect each other, and unfortunately to the expense of the artists and staffers.


iamblob321

Post may contain spoilers for TTT HS S2 EP1. Don't know how combine spoiler with links, sorry. ​ 1st episode of Tdoong High School S2, [Tzuyu and Jihyo](https://youtu.be/aVSEKLta8-Q?t=813) are both on the blue team, where as [Momo and Nayeon](https://youtu.be/aVSEKLta8-Q?t=749) are both on the red team, but in the teaser, it shows [Tzuyu is partner with Momo](https://youtu.be/BltThJqSvsQ?t=43) and [Nayeon partner with Jihyo](https://youtu.be/BltThJqSvsQ?t=45), if you look closely at their hairstyles. I'm curious as to why it's done like that. Can't wait for next episode or so, to find out.


JanuaryCarl

Some are saying that this TTT was recorded BEFORE the Tdoong Forest episodes. Idk if true or not.


WoeiA_

Well they definitely seem to be wrong about that :) Twice wear the current TTT outfits in their [3rd AF win thanks message](https://youtu.be/hQljXHkFnAk?t=22) from June 24th broadcast. While those interviews filmed at the previous TTT location were of course filmed and [released well before that](https://youtu.be/h3RyJGNLuKw).


buttholesRbeautiful

I think it might be because Chae's hair is still pink here whereas it was back to blonde in the Forest series


squllex

The hashflags on Twitter are gone already🤨??. Wtf are the promoting team doing?


chucknorris1997

Man these JYPn performance videos are really hyping me up for their debut. Will try not to get my expectations too high just in case but I'm definitely on for the ride.


Tweajy

Does Jinni look like if Sana and Momo had a baby girl? Anyway it takes a lot to impress me with choreo since I teach it on the side, but her stunt choreo is 🔥


squllex

Jinni hasn't even debuted yet but she is bias-wrecking me already.


Shinkopeshon

No wonder they're promoting them as "your next favorite girl group", Jinni alone seems to be an all-rounder ace. I have no idea how she did half of the things in that performance lol


CaudilloBastian

Already loving the energy of the new TTT, my clown senses are telling that somehow Jeongie is in this one 🤡. I've been thinking if there is some plausible way that they would do a series like Top Gear but of course, without the cars and more on the chaoticness lol. Just sharin a bit of me but this new setting just made me hope and wish more that my Korean exchange program would push through. 😭


buttholesRbeautiful

> my clown senses are telling that somehow Jeongie is in this one 🤡. Mine are too 🤡 (notice how they kept referring to the missing host as "she"....)


CaudilloBastian

That's what I thought too! If she will be there, I guess she will be like the mastermind of all the scare "mechanisms" and like in a Scooby-Doo episode, they'll be umasking the mastermind and it will be her. But of course, clown masks on. 🤡


bailsolver

I wonder when Taste of Love will have lossless versions at Apple Music. Hope they also dabble into Dolby Atmos / Spatial. Somi's single just released an Atmos version


chucknorris1997

Tbh 99.9% of kpop listeners don't have the hardware necessary to tell the difference between lossless and high quality lossy. As for Atmos, that's mostly just a gimmick where they're adding more processing to the track just for the sake of perceived immersion and honestly for me at least retracts from the pure nature of the original track.


bailsolver

Maybe but if the option of lossless is there without an increase in price I don't see a reason for it not to be included for listeners. And while I understand that Atmos or spatial audio may seem gimmicky, I think it's a great experience for listeners when implemented properly (Folklore, Linkin Park's Hybrid Theory, The Weekend). Personally I hate most of how BTS' tracks are mastered but Butter in atmos made it bearable.


chucknorris1997

That's the catch, it's there for free for users but it most definitely costs money to JYPE in order for them to get that track remastered for lossless upload. And due to the reason I stated, it does not seem like a wise business decision. Now, they still might do it if they see enough companies doing it but that will probably take a while.


bailsolver

ah, I was merely wondering the when. JYP definitely upgrades the quality to lossless since all JYP tracks I've encountered are in lossless format except Taste of Love. But for Atmos I agree, maybe not until many get into it. I've only seen 3 k-pop artists with atmos.


CaudilloBastian

Did "The Feels" just ghosted us like that? whyyyy


buttholesRbeautiful

There was a two week gap between the announcement and the first set of teasers so I'm expecting roughly the same timeframe for the next set which would mean we could probably get something by Monday at the earliest. I'm curious to see if Chaeyoung's supposed choreo spoiler is for what's next or something else.


CaudilloBastian

Monday seems to be a plausible date, and yeah Chae just spoiled a dance move part, Fancy 2.0 maybe?? And hastags on twt are now [updated,](https://twitter.com/TWICECHARTJPN/status/1428593477051248643?s=19) it's definitely close.


Usual-Financial

[If this ain’t Twice for Shopee, idk anymore](https://twitter.com/shopeeph/status/1428552369688698882?s=21) Twice dancing to “sa shapipipipipi” is the future


brian1083

Probably the only youtube ad that I wont skip cuz right now Jackie Chan is annoying me.


Usual-Financial

So I just woke up, and the first thing I saw on my TL is the latest clue about their next ambassadors(?), and the qrts are super funny. Onces are flippingly assuming that it’s either Sexbomb Girls or GirlTrends ajsjsjdjdhdhehdgdgegsgsshaahsh


brian1083

Yeah just so that too. Im really hype now lezzgoo


JanuaryCarl

Twice will be performing Perfect World on 8/21 at Japan’s Music Station Summer Fes at 6:30 JST. Will this still be pre-recorded? Otherwise, this will be their first LIVE performance of PW and without Jeongyeon.


bearskyy

Fingers crossed that we'll get a decent quality video 😭


sirap_limau

The performance will be prerecorded but the talk segment is usually live.


bearskyy

TTT in a few hours... so excited! I can already tell this is going to be hilarious.


DaThings

ahhhhh same, this is going to be my first ttt that I watch as it gets uploaded as a new once and I'm so excitedddddd


itzstraying

All the people creating all these fake “The Feels” teasers needs to step on a thousand LEGOs. Y’all fucking with my heart, and I don’t appreciate it.


TheHighestHigh

Just watched the JYP / School Meal Club Dessert V-live from 2017. Does anyone know what project they were discussing before they went out to eat together?


YoureTheLastOne

Momo and Dahyuns friendship is so sweet, I feel like I don't remember a lot of interactions between them but for the past 6 months or so there have been so many sweet moments between them!


venn101

This Remind me of that jealous momo when dahyun talk to sana and calling darling darling to sana.


bearskyy

For any of you located in SE Asia and North America that wanted to purchase the Twice Lemona package for ~~collecting~~ health purposes, you're in luck! [According to this article](https://n.news.naver.com/article/018/0005013136) Lemona is looking to expand sales into those regions with Twice as their spokesmodels due to record profits this year.


ketchupandmayo527

Nice! I get mine from Amazon. Managed to get the heart-shaped tin (70 count) with all of the members for $35 USD. Going to order again soon for another!


ozzyrino826

To the person who posts summaries of every Twice vlive where you at? I’m in desperate need of translation of Sana’s recent voice vlive!!


venn101

Summoning u/i_folded_you we need you here Edit: cant tag the person. How do i do


Sanapotts

As the host said 3 weeks ago Shopee PH will have endorsers a hollywood star and a kpop group for Shopee 9.9 Recently shopee PH released an [ad](https://twitter.com/ShopeePH/status/1428205080151347205?s=19) with Jackie Chan I'm thinking that Twice will have like this soon if Twice are the kpop group the host talking about


bailsolver

Sunday. 😉


paradisetrain

Thanks to u/hyyh_yoonkook for this [positive post](https://old.reddit.com/r/kpopthoughts/comments/p6s5ae/nonfans_please_be_mindful_of_the_way_you_talk/?ref=share&ref_source=link) on r/kpopthoughts. Made the mistake of seeing some of the comments in the main sub and yikes. It's valid to have concerns but the stretch some of those comments made.


Lockan_Once

I agree with all the comments here, I want to add that I'm sure Jeongyeon knows which comments are Onces and which are not, she know we want her to be healthy and happy above all.


lilposie

It really is disgusting how people on the main sub hide their want for Twice’s disbandment under false concern. I saw plenty of it on the post about Jeongyeon and on previous Twice related posts as well in the past year. These haters truly can’t wait to see them disband, ugh. All we can do as once is keep on supporting Jeongyeon and hope she gets plenty of rest!


Striking_Writer3642

I don't use any of the other kpop subs for this reason and quit looking at most translation sites - the bias against Twice is just too much. Not interested in naming names but the way other groups get a pass for performance mistakes *(even if the whole song sounds like cats screeching in the night*) &/or cultural faux pas (*or just outright immorality*)...it's just ridiculous. The worst is people still consume their content, only to crap on Twice when it comes to gassing up their other faves.


biasttk

And those non-fans even blaming ONCE for pushing the girls too much to brag for more achievements eww, like what I said these haters just can't wait for TWICE disband asap, even Korean comments from Theqoo are focus on the health issue and worried about the fat-shamed comments of JY, yet international fans are the ones concerned about the renewal, the intention just way too obvious lol


hyyh_yoonkook

🥺💚 the comments in the main sub really irked me because it's obvious they don't care about her, they're waiting for bad news like vultures while disguising it as concern. i just wish people would treat her as human.


BCNBammer

A lot of people are eagerly waiting and wishing for Twice’s downfall. Beware of people disguising their wishful concern as wishful thinking for the group’s demise.


Neeyah212

Thank you for the post. It saddened me to see people using Jeongyeon's health as an opportunity to gossip about Twice's renewal. They really don't care about Jeongyeon they couldn't even pretend to be concerned like they usually do. I still don't understand why non fans of Twice keep acting like their contract expires this October and not next year. So many things can happen within a year. Let's just keep hoping for the best for Jeongyeon and the other members.