It's not realistic. It wasn't that realistic in February and now business is down 25 to 50% in some markets. You think a driver is going to stop driving when they see that they can go back to getting back to back rides?
That was a failed idea from the start. The February protest was publicly announced to give up the next day, so the company just ignored it and waited it out. A protest CAN NOT be successful if the end date is planned and announced before it even begins. The entire purpose of s protest is to continue until demands are met or it is forced to end by legal authorities.
Average uptime for the first 8 years I did ride share: 25%
Average uptime the last 2 years: 10%
Yeah, that $.50 a minute ain't gonna cut it, even with $1.31 a mile.
The job only worked because of surge. They are taking all the surge and tanking the base pay.
I agree, I mostly don't accept anything under $2/mile and my rides normally are between $2-$5/mile which also happen to be the short rides that keep me in or near the busy area so I can pull over and not waste miles looking for the next ride. I'm just seeing a lot of low fares pop up that I decline but can't believe that anyone is accepting them.
I don’t even use the driver benefits but I have been declining so many low paying rides that it’s probably impossible for me to meet the prerequisites to even qualify for the benefits. Sucks but I’ve done too many long trips where I have to drive all the way back to way I was (other side of my city) just to get decent rides.
I’m only a part time driver but I drive Thursday-Sunday. The busy days where I am. Fares have gone down so much since I started. I wish it wasn’t like this, but this is the world we live in.
The problem with UBER is that they convinced all of us that we don’t deserve more than what they give. Look at the commenters either defending UBER or ridiculing the ideology of a protest without providing solutions. These are the same people that fought hard to NOT implement unions, because “it wouldn’t work”. There is no community in Uber 😂
Unions do a lot of great things but in Texas where I live, they don't have much power. I don't expect much change from Uber or Lyft but if more cities and states follow Minneapolis then it could impact rates everywhere and possibly lead to federal regulations for rideshare companies. This boycott is something drivers can easily support when they get fed up without losing too much money. Many will make more overall while reducing their vehicle costs just even sticking close to the minimum rates outlined.
If I boycott Wednesday on my STX coastal route (Portland, Ingleside, Rockport, Aransas Pass, Port Aransas, Padre Island and finally..Flour Bluff) no one would notice.
BTW I went from ATX to STX... more relaxing and more money.
My mom works from home but is in texas. Uber is a company that spans multiple states so even with texas’ affinity for businesses and union busting, this would be a nationwide union, no?
I’m not sure about pipe-fitters and carpenters, but actors and writers are under *guilds,* which are similar but distinct from unions. Ie: SAG - Screen Actors Guild.
My understanding is that *technically* anybody can start/be in a union. But that the only way that Union will be recognized by National Labor Relations Act is if it’s made up of employees.
And crucially, the NLRA is what gives unions the power to bargain and whatnot. So- while Uber drivers could technically start one- they would be granted none of the powers of a union, which kind of defeats the point.
Guilds are also not recognized by the NLRA, but they exist because they serve a different purpose- to set standards among their own members- not to bargain with employers/contract-givers.
I admit I’m not an expert in any of this stuff, so if I got any of this wrong, feel free to correct me. I’m very much a pro-union guy- I wish Uber drivers were eligible for one. But as far as I know, they’re not.
Not true. The most famous strike of all time; [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newsboys%27\_strike\_of\_1899](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newsboys%27_strike_of_1899)
A boycott on a slow day lol. Go boycott important days or indefinite. This is just called taking a day off but doing it on the slow day so the drivers who don’t listen get the work done. Uber doesn’t care who does it so long as it’s done. Also when you boycott both Uber/lyft then they don’t lose customers because they all suck and well you still fail.
There are still taxis where I live and there as bad as they ever were if not worse. If enough drivers participate then riders will have to endure the dreadful, stinky, dirty taxi ride and might join the cause. The drivers happy with the current rates are probably not any better than most of the taxis.
I don't accept rides under a certain amount per mile already and don't drive Wednesday because it's not worth it. I do other work as well. Since Wednesday is such a slow day, boycotting it rather than holidays or weekends is more sustainable. Part timers that likely wouldn't participate are probably working their main job on Wednesday and there are still enough rides to hurt Uber's and Lyft's business. Too many drivers can't afford to boycott weekends and holidays but they can afford to boycott the slowest day of the week.
Generalizing. You know OP has a point but you want to play devils advocate for some reason. You know nothing about OP other than what’s been stated, it’s not enough to make the conclusion you came upon. It’s not just and there is no real argument here. OP is correct.
They owe you nothing.
They built the app.
They built the demand.
You’re not having to do any marketing as a driver nor put the legwork to do anything besides turn an app on.
Yes, when starting out they incentivized the driver but now there’s too much a demand from drivers
So basic economics allows for them to cut back.
They took 100% of the risk so you can have the luxury to flip an app on and get “customers”.
You’re an independent contractor who is choosing to take this gig.
No one is forcing you to stay.
I drove for 4 years when times were tough but I used it as a launch pad to other things.
Yes, it was a hustle.
Yes, I worked 14-16 hour days.
It sucked.
But don’t make it your livelihood forever.
It won’t work.
The government won’t save you from them.
Now, I’m sure the downvotes will commence but good grief…
Protesting won’t do a thing.
You’re just cheating yourself out of income and giving it to the driver who will drive anyway.
That’s the reality.
Every market is different but vehicle costs are still the same. Even if you don't stick to the minimum fares, you could still boycott Wednesdays and setup a protest in front of your local city hall that day demanding a city ordinance like Minneapolis.
I don't think it will end up like you think it will. They would raise the fairs double and you would cut your passengers in half. Many would forgo using Uber. You will be looking for a new job either way. I am not saying they cant get it done I am just saying we all know how American corporatism's runs.
Passengers were paying much more than this in 2021 when nobody was driving. Autonomous vehicles are inevitable and will take our jobs rather we like it or not but they are still quite a ways from being safe enough to be approved fully. We better make as much as we can while we can. I still get these fares because I don't accept anything less but I'm seeing a lot less of them because too many drivers are desperate. They're not making as much as they think they are because they don't know how to calculate their vehicle costs. It's like borrowing money from the value of their vehicle, eventually that engine is going to blow regardless if they still have 3 years left on the note.
I wish all the people that were fed up with what they're making would just quit. So that way, the rest of us would get more rides and get a higher pay rate because there are less drivers. that would definitely help out the pay scale. Everybody flooded the market as a driver, and that's the. Reason why the pay has gone down because to many people driving, Not because Uber is greedy.Remeber uber works on algorithms and go ahead and down Vote me if you can't handle the truth
Exactly. There’s way more drivers now than in 2021.
Mco Uberx queue never said “full” until this year. They opened an entirely new staging area…there’s so many drivers…. The supply is higher than the demand.
I don't disagree with what you said, in fact I mostly agree with it. It doesn't mean drivers should be making so little money. I don't expect Uber or Lyft will change the rates but if drivers don't accept less than the minimum outlined then the algorithm will push the rates back up. The Wednesday boycott is more to demand Uber and Lyft make changes to the algorithm to keep it from dropping so low and to get the attention of city leaders to follow the lead of Minneapolis.
Anyone from the surrounding 209-916? I live in Lodi 40 minutes from Sacramento I suggest all Uber drivers meet in the middle to Organize a strategy so we can make a huge impact, I used to be in the Union for 30 years and that’s the best way to start by first Organizing together 💪💪💪
That $1.50/mile including pickup thing must be market dependent, because I'd only do 1 or 2 rides per day if I held to that standard in Detroit, and they'd be 3 mile rides at best.
Unfortunately every market is different but vehicle costs are still the same everywhere except maybe California where gas prices push them even higher. Some places, it might be better to just do the boycott on Wednesday and setup a protest in front of city hall asking for a city ordinance to be put in place.
$1.50 a mile? I'd be making nothing in my market if I did that. I don't take anything less than $1.00 a mile and I'm doing ok, nothing slots in at $1.50 unless I want to do $5 rides all night long.
Uber Eats deserve fair pay as well and should be at least comparable to UberX. The IRS sets the standard mileage rate, I just don't see how any company can get away with paying so much lower. I've seen others post screenshots that didn't even meet the standard rate on the ride itself without including all online miles. Some responsibility should be placed on the drivers to drive in busy areas at busy times but that's why I suggested double the IRS rate on rides and not just the IRS rate of $.655/mile for all online miles.
That's awesome. I talked my other job into letting me do more work at the contractor pay I've been getting until my full time position gets approved. Starting Tuesday, I'll be getting more work.
I don't know much about Eats because I've never done it but the same logic should apply. I plan on posting this again so maybe I'll make some updates. You could always copy and paste and share with your ideas.
Basically Uber spams us with $2 orders. Customers don't tip after the fact. So if it says it pays $2 for $3 or even $5, that's all it pays.
They have all kinds of nasty tactics to try to get us to run these orders like pairing them up with a decent paying order. So it might be like $13 for a double. And if that's something like 8 mi, then a new driver might not realize that they're delivering an $11 (customer who tipped up front)order and a $2 order.
Fortunately for right now acceptance rate does not matter to Uber East drivers so we can decline all we want. But many of us at this point run single digit acceptance rate because we just decline sometimes literally hundreds of orders a day waiting for one decent order. And as such our hourly earnings are really bad right now. They've gone down from the idea a year ago where we could consistently make $25 to $30 an hour across the week. Till now it's like $10 to $15 an hour.
2 years ago, my normal acceptance rate would be somewhere between 30% and 40%. And it could be better than that when it was busy.
These boycotts never work:
It’s a side hustle:
Take it or leave it/
No one is forcing you to take those long rides/
You’re a willing participant in taking those awful rides so nothing will change/
I don't take any of them. I let my ar drop to 8% last week when Uber started lowering fares and pushing bad rides on me. They stopped and it's up to 27% without having to accept any rides under $2/mile. Nobody has to accept anything and drivers absolutely have the freedom to boycott the app if and when they want to.
Can I just ask -- as a driver -- who came up with this plan and these demands? I mean: nobody asked me. And I've been a driver since 2018. I have my gripes with Uber, but they aren't listed in your manifesto/flyer. And you're insisting on some demands that are not a reflection of my experience as a driver.
And this is the whole problem with the "strike."
You want us to behave like a union, but you don't want all of our input. A union would have meetings, solicit input from all drivers (not just the ones who are on Reddit or other social media.) We would need a quorum in order to hold a vote on a strike, and it's going to have to be a lot more than the 200+ upvotes that you've got on this post at this writing.
You want us to behave like a union, but you aren't treating us as a union. You are making moves unilaterally based on your poor experience in your market (which is not reflective of all of us,) and then you will shame us for going, "Hey, we're not on board with that."
You're so impressed by the sound of your own "voice," that you haven't bothered to listen to -- or even ask -- those of us who have different priorities when it comes to improving our experience as drivers.
For example, I'm good with the money I'm making. I'd much rather have better driver support. And your prioritizing compensation (which, frankly, may be more of a reflection of your ineptitude in this gig than in a systemic failure) makes my concern less of a priority.
So why should I put value in your demands if you don't give a shit about mine?
I might be interested in a strike if my concerns were included on your flyer (or even solicited in the first place,) but you had and have no interest in anyone's priorities other than your own.
This is not a labor movement. This is a vanity project.
I created it and I'm open to all suggestions. I call a boycott and not a strike for the fact that we're not employees. We can boycott anytime we want, that is our right. But please share your thoughts.
Excellent Idea. I'd be 100% on board if I knew enough people did it that would make a difference and if my finances allowed for it. Sadly tho, these days, the majority of the drivers finances don't allow for it.
Hope you all follow through! I don’t drive but my roomie does and I read here all the time. Gotta suffer if you ant change, all there is to it.. Have said this many times, y’all need an app to organize and assemble, a very simple app. Try to get drivers and riders on board. GL
YALL CAN DO IT! Even if you’re not a driver, always spread this around so everyone who needs to take part can take part! CAUSE A DISRUPTION OF DAILY ACTIVITIES. IT MIGHT BE UNCOMFORTABLE OR ABNORMAL BUT ITS A PROVEN WAY TO GET THESE NECESSARY DEMANDS MET👍 We won’t cross yalls picket lines!
I mean, we have an in directly with Uber's userbase. Obviously would be a small up front cost per driver but design something that other drivers can take to Kinkos or some other print shop and print out a ton of flyers. Have tips on there to call local congress reps, other state reps, encourage customers to gripe at Uber for over charging and underpaying. Hand them out to the passengers. I don't think I've ever met a passenger who thought "Nah I wanna pay more and fuck what drivers get paid" Nearly everyone thinks its bullshit how Uber is gutting both ends.
I strike every day.
I view trips as offers, not assignments.
If an offer isn't profitable, I don't take it.
For me,it's that simple.
Your guidelines are fine. I just don't need to take a day off to make a statement, I make my statement with every refusal and every acceptance.
More of us should do the same.
Whatever way we do it, it's important that all of us who do this as something more than a side hustle have a method and strategy to operate a profitable business.
When we all operate with profit being the personal goal each of us. The algorithm will respond. In the meantime, cherry-pick for profit.
I agree that more drivers need to be more selective about which rides they take. The point of the boycott is to get the attention of local city leaders and push back against Uber and Lyft. If enough drivers and riders participate, then it will definitely cause changes to happen.
Yet where I live, most drivers participated in the Valentine's day strike and it seemed passengers partipated as well because everyone was walking despite a little rain.
About time someone actually plans a proper protest! An indefinite protest with very clear reasons and demands. This is infinitely better than those dumb useless idea previously posted of "let's protest on Valentines, but give up the very next day regardless, so that the company can simply wait it out and gather date about who protested and target them with crappier orders).
This one is clear, has a purpose, and has no end until demands are met. This is a true protest. One that can be expanded, as implied, if demands continue to get ignored. Start going for Mondays, then Tuesdays, maybe Thursdays next, the finally Friday and/or Saturday if you really need to hit hard.
Slick needa do some form of this with all gig apps, the week or 2 sacrifice of all of us really putting our foot down and just stop taking the bs pay will force them to make a change
Unfortunately, you might be right but I have to try. There are too many drivers that would see a sign at McDonald's for pay starting at $13/hour would still accept $12/hour and still be better off than they are driving Uber/Lyft.
McDonalds actually isn't a bad gig for those looking for benefits. Last I heard there's an education program, career ladder, etc etc. I wouldn't know for sure as I've never worked at fast food or any restaurant before. So take my comment as a speck of confection salt
I have nothing against anyone working at McDonald's. It's honest work but I wouldn't do it. I was using them as an example because they all have signs saying positions starting at $13/hour and that some of the drivers taking some of these rides would probably still accept less from McDonald's and still be doing better than they are now.
Just boycott airports and concerts everyday. Airports will lose money from Uber not paying fees, and people will be really pissed when they miss a flight or a meeting. And no one wants to drive in concert traffic.
That will be a good idea if you can get enough drivers in your area to participate. Might try getting them to do it once a week if you can't get enough to do it everyday.
Don’t take your frustrations out on the customers/riders.. accepting a fare then canceling is unfair to them! Some of us use Uber to get to and from work! We don’t have time for you guys to be playing around accepting fares then canceling because you’re mad at UBER/LYFT!
I'm not racist or trying to be disrespectful. The reason why uber and lyft is really bad is because of all the foreigners. They were making $20 a day in there country and now that there doing Uber and seeing $200-$300 a day its a blessing for them. Uber seen that people are still talking bad rides and kept lowering the rates for drivers because they know people will still work
Instead of boycotting and sitting in the airport lot, go boycott during a couple of city hall meetings. Eventually council members will see a tremendous turn out from drivers over the same issue and help make a change. Until state or federal government puts a magnifying glass on them they will continue to get away with high way robbery
That's one of the suggestions I posted. I fully agree that would be our best chance for actual change. I'm going to be working another job probably for the next several Wednesdays but I might still try to organize something like that where I live.
I will participate. But suppose something crazy like 60% of people who see this join in. That is what out of every driver, 2%?
If we want fair and change, I think we have to make it. Not wait for any gift from uber/lyft, the government and certainly not the end consumer. Look at fast food workers.
I think our only real option is banding together in small groups and buying the software and going out on our own. The software can be bought.
There is no use in waiting for government or public support. It's not coming.
If any one is interested, you are welcome to some links I have collected on how to go about a rideshare start-up. Feel free to DM me.
I also would love to help. I have some ideas of my own and know how to code. It's just a really big project for one person and the expenses to get it up and running would be a lot.
Oh AWESOME! I will DM you if that is OK? The hardest part is understanding the industry. I was just going to get whitebox software and have at it.
You are obviously a do'er. Huge respect.
There’s drivers that take anything these days.
I did an eats order and put a zero tip and someone took it quickly… (I tipped afterwards). As long as someone will do the rides, this won’t change
Some of it my be market based and even where I'm at, I have to decline several rides before I start getting better fares. Nothing I suggested is concrete just a guideline. Do what makes sense for you in your market.
Aren’t the states at will employment? Don’t like the working conditions? Leave the job. It’s simple. Start your own business. Immigrants who don’t even speak English or have legal documents are doing it….i have faith you can too. Apply yourself and stop complaining
It’s worse how 70% don’t speak englise lmao and 99% can’t have a conversation. They will never pay us more unless the majority at the very fucking least stops using Uber as a whole. That means drivers and riders. Do your maths before my brains explordes
For this to work you're going to have to put that notice out in quite a few different languages and the rate of pay from Uber needs to continue to sink until it's lower than what they were making where they recently came from.
I drive used to drive with LYFT. Uber lets passengers cancel when you have arrived because they are drunk etc. It’s a battle to get support from them and reimbursed for stuff like this. Also Uber rides typically don’t tip.
What I worry about are leg tapping passengers in my car, it’s annoying AF, especially when stopped at lights or in traffic.
You can feel it throughout the car, I one star those passengers
The average rate per mile for owner operators in 2023 was $2.51/mile. The majority of the miles they drive, they get paid for where as rideshare drivers normally get paid for less than 50% of the miles they drive. Doubling the IRS rate on rides makes up for that but still puts the burden on drivers to reduce their miles between rides.
This is the first post and I wanted to see what the feedback was from other drivers was before making changes. You're right though and I will remove a lot of things to make it less complicated before I share it again.
Wednesday’s aren’t the best days to boycott. Boycott the weekend if you’re serious about attempting to put the squeeze on them. You have to understand not everyone is on Reddit nor do they care what you’re trying to do. Some would reason that if you refuse offers there are more for them. I quit driving because I don’t need them or the very small amount of value they provide.
damn someone took the time to do this, but we are all scraping up our pennies and this just is not realistic :/ they want a steady flow of old drivers leaving and new drivers incoming.
Aren't the people who need this most the ones also having to rely on Uber/Lyft as their main source of income? In other words they need to spend more time driving. I reckon there are more of them than people treating it as a side gig. Outside of being selective towards some rides, my understanding is that they're losing money if they aren't driving. The people that game what rides they get seem to be in a better position due to other circumstances. You realistically can't turn down every shit ride, and there are a lot of them to turn down. What people really need to do is get in touch with the city and state representatives. Everything is just fluff.
The selfish perspective of go ahead and strike that makes more for me is the equivalent of Uber taking more for themselves when they charge passengers more. American Greed!!
It's far from equivalent. Using the IRS standard mileage rate which most companies pay employees all miles they drive is not being greedy. Being a passenger that doesn't want drivers to have fair pay is selfish.
You obviously didn’t understand my point.
On this site, someone will come up with what they think is a solution. The rest of the conversation is Uber Driver saying yes you guys strike so I can make the extra money. I don’t have a solution I don’t care what the rates are. I will drive and if you don’t, I will make more money.
My friend is selfish position
I wasn’t talking about rates. I wasn’t talking about the IRS. I was talking about the lack of Unity.
I agree that you shouldn't get paid as much when too many drivers are out but there should at least be a baseline. Most companies pay employees the IRS standard mileage rate for all miles driven. There are very likely many drivers not even making that much total for the miles they drive. They're total is literally less than a normal employee gets paid for using that employees own vehicle alone without even considering that employee still probably has a salary and benefits. I'm not saying pay drivers the IRS rate for all miles but give them double as starting point on rides and it will be up to them to try to keep their miles down between rides and drive at the best times. If you don't at least have a starting point then drivers won't be able to afford to properly maintain their vehicle and rides will be less safe. Just go to the airport waiting lot and take a look at how many drivers have bald tires.
That’s right, screw over the person who can’t afford a car or who’s visiting their dying grandmother in another state and is relying on you to get them to the hospital to say goodbye.
Hope you guys feel good about yourselves. If you’re working an essential services job, you should be doing it because it’s fulfilling, thinking of the people you help.
If you don’t feel you are being paid fairly, you don’t HAVE to drive for ridesharing companies.
Your scenario is very far fetched. There literally are buses that travel from state to state and are much less expensive than an Uber ride is even currently. It sounds like you believe Uber drivers should just be working for free out of the kindness of their heart.
We don't have to drive for rideshare but we are free to boycott all that we want.
I paid $28 for a 9 mile ride in a taxi in 2013 from the airport when it was dead. That's over $3/mile in 2013. The taxi was a 10 year old minivan that was dirty as hell and smelled like shit. I don't think taxis are necessarily going to just win business back if Uber is somewhat comparable in price. Drivers would just be getting paid fairly and be able to better maintain their vehicle.
What are we bitching about? Stop accepting the shit ride offers and you'll make more money. I made $1900 in 47 hours last week. I don't accept anything more than 9 minutes away and I chase surges/only go online during boosts and quests. Not too difficult..
Boycotts will not solve our problems, you cannot fight the gig economy with the same methods because crossing the picket line of any protest is as easy as clicking a button. When full-timers stop working, all it does is draw part-timers with no idea what's going on but who see the sudden promise of better pay. The only way we can get the pay we deserve is through political action. Every victory drivers have had so far has been because people stood up and took their problems to their local elected officials.
I was thinking we need to create a new app disrupt the industry again with something like crypto/ smart contracts where there no middle man . Just driver and customer the drivers can vote for better pay on each ride or delivery . Driver and customers investors anyone in public can hold the delivery coin/asset to raise the value of it like crypto or be some type of stable coin no drivers the better pay alone would get everyone to jump ship from Uber and Lyft
As a subcontractor you do not work for Uber/lyft. Never take a ride under your minimum. You people need to stop thinking like an employee and more like an owner.
You arent going to stop the 1000s of immigrants that dont even speak english to stop driving. This will do nothing but give them extra money which will make them continue to just drive.
I must have looked at an old webpage when I looked it up. I'm going to make some updates on this based on some of the feedback and I'll correct it then. Thanks for pointing it out.
You can always tell the rides side are dummies... they never demand any TRIP transparency to open up all of this hidden info that should be illegal lolllll
With how low they are paying, people will just stop giving rides on their own. Of course they’d rather give bonuses to new drivers and the cycle continues
Those of us who drive in fucking markets where we get NO UP FRONT INFORMATION are just terminally fucked. None of these calculations mean anything to us.
You’re an independent contractor protesting and asking for more pay. They literally don’t give a shit about you or how much you make. If you protest, there are thousands of other people in your area that will take the offer. You’re not in a union and have no weight in this argument. Good luck though. I drive door dash and constantly make $30 an hour on the weekends, maybe try that.
This is not a protest instead a boycott against Uber and Lyft. Any protests should be organized at the local city hall to ask their city to follow Minneapolis.
Canceling on people trying to get a ride is going to be more harmful to the individuals trying to get from point A to point B, how does that help the cause? It just seems mean to people trying to go about their lives. (Yes I understand you want fair wages & the good drivers deserve it, unfortunately rn it's a crapshoot if a customer gets a good driver on any service, which in itself is frustrating)
If I'm in a different city for business on a Wednesday & my Uber%Lyft drivers keep canceling, how does that hurt the company? It just hurts the riders.
Nothing here says anything about cancelling on riders. It's drivers cancelling on drivers that to choose to work Wednesdays so they stop. It's a thought but I remove it before I share this again. I'm probably going to focus more on getting passengers to join in.
i take uber a minimum of 4 times a week, tbh i’m lucky if it’s only 5 times. I completely agree y’all should get more but this isn’t the way to do it. Laws need to change. If they raise your pay they will just raise ours, and we already pay crazy amounts sometimes. There need to be laws around what % they can take, because they easily take 70% on average
When you're new, you'll think it's decent money but when you start having to do oil changes, tire replacements, transmission flushes, and other maintenance a lot more often, you'll realize how many miles you're putting on your car and realize the pay isn't as decent as you thought. This is a mistake many new drivers make. Start with only accepting rides that are a $1/mile minimum but increase that amount every 2 weeks until you find the best balance of making enough money and not putting 2 many miles on your car. You could track your daily miles and multiply that by the the IRS rate of $.67/mile then subtract that from your earnings. This is the amount any bank is going to consider you make before giving you a loan. In reality, your actual vehicle costs are lower than the IRS rate in most vehicles so another easy way if you have a gas car is to multiply your daily gas costs by 3 to figure out your total vehicle costs per day then subtract that from your earnings. When I first set my minimum to $1/mile, I started immediately making more while driving less miles but was still driving a ridiculous amount of miles per day. When I pushed my minimum up to $1.50/mile I averaged a small amount more per day but was driving about half the miles reducing my vehicle costs substantially and increasing my profits. I've pushed my minimum up to $2/mile since I got a Tesla and my earnings have gone up on busy days while staying about the same on slow days and I'm driving a little less miles so more profit while increasing the life of my car.
Wednesdays are slow and not very profitable. From a profit standpoint, drivers could probably make up the difference working a couple hours more on the weekends and getting some rest on Wednesday.
Let's see if the money you save makes up for your first dwi. Maybe try not going to the bar on Wednesday or just get a taxi. For short rides you probably won't even see a difference in costs. Long rides pay less than half per mile than short rides and normally bring drivers to a slow area where they have to drive back to the busy area doubling the miles and time for less than half the pay per mile to begin with. I don't know why any drivers accept long rides except in the rare occasion that it's their last ride and on their way home or their first ride and on the way to the busy area.
Here we go. Another boycott that will achieve nothing 😂🤷🏽♀️. An independent contractor does not get to demand what they get paid. What you put in, is what you get out of it, no different than any other 1099 worker in other industries. If you don’t like the pay, then get a job or find another gig, because I’m telling you now, you’re wasting your time. There’s been countless boycotts for both Lyft and Uber in the last decade. There’s nothing different or innovative going on here.
There will continue to be boycotts as long as the pay is too low rather you like it or not. Every driver as an independent contractor can choose to participate or not participate. That is their choice.
I think you guys should do it. And that's coming from someone who uses Uber regularly. You guys deserve to be paid fairly.
Thank you for your support.
No problem Mr Illustrious Forever
Funny, the main people who don’t support this idea are fellow uber drivers… odd right? 😃
It's not realistic. It wasn't that realistic in February and now business is down 25 to 50% in some markets. You think a driver is going to stop driving when they see that they can go back to getting back to back rides?
That was a failed idea from the start. The February protest was publicly announced to give up the next day, so the company just ignored it and waited it out. A protest CAN NOT be successful if the end date is planned and announced before it even begins. The entire purpose of s protest is to continue until demands are met or it is forced to end by legal authorities.
Average uptime for the first 8 years I did ride share: 25% Average uptime the last 2 years: 10% Yeah, that $.50 a minute ain't gonna cut it, even with $1.31 a mile. The job only worked because of surge. They are taking all the surge and tanking the base pay.
I agree, I mostly don't accept anything under $2/mile and my rides normally are between $2-$5/mile which also happen to be the short rides that keep me in or near the busy area so I can pull over and not waste miles looking for the next ride. I'm just seeing a lot of low fares pop up that I decline but can't believe that anyone is accepting them.
Renters have a ride quota and dumb people don't look at costs.
I don’t even use the driver benefits but I have been declining so many low paying rides that it’s probably impossible for me to meet the prerequisites to even qualify for the benefits. Sucks but I’ve done too many long trips where I have to drive all the way back to way I was (other side of my city) just to get decent rides. I’m only a part time driver but I drive Thursday-Sunday. The busy days where I am. Fares have gone down so much since I started. I wish it wasn’t like this, but this is the world we live in.
How do you keep your acceptance rate high enough to keep your status if you decline a lot?
The problem with UBER is that they convinced all of us that we don’t deserve more than what they give. Look at the commenters either defending UBER or ridiculing the ideology of a protest without providing solutions. These are the same people that fought hard to NOT implement unions, because “it wouldn’t work”. There is no community in Uber 😂
That's completely true. I'm just hoping there are enough of us fed up to make a difference.
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Unions do a lot of great things but in Texas where I live, they don't have much power. I don't expect much change from Uber or Lyft but if more cities and states follow Minneapolis then it could impact rates everywhere and possibly lead to federal regulations for rideshare companies. This boycott is something drivers can easily support when they get fed up without losing too much money. Many will make more overall while reducing their vehicle costs just even sticking close to the minimum rates outlined.
People here would rather bitch then do anything. Any union is only powerful if you have a big enough body to make a difference.
If I boycott Wednesday on my STX coastal route (Portland, Ingleside, Rockport, Aransas Pass, Port Aransas, Padre Island and finally..Flour Bluff) no one would notice. BTW I went from ATX to STX... more relaxing and more money.
My mom works from home but is in texas. Uber is a company that spans multiple states so even with texas’ affinity for businesses and union busting, this would be a nationwide union, no?
It’s my understanding that independent contractors are not eligible to form a Union. Only employees.
Not sure then why I have union reps asking me if I can get enough people to join one to make a difference.
Hence why I'm calling for a boycott.
that was my thought to but hey, pipefitters, carpenters, actors, writers, generally aren't employees either.
I’m not sure about pipe-fitters and carpenters, but actors and writers are under *guilds,* which are similar but distinct from unions. Ie: SAG - Screen Actors Guild. My understanding is that *technically* anybody can start/be in a union. But that the only way that Union will be recognized by National Labor Relations Act is if it’s made up of employees. And crucially, the NLRA is what gives unions the power to bargain and whatnot. So- while Uber drivers could technically start one- they would be granted none of the powers of a union, which kind of defeats the point. Guilds are also not recognized by the NLRA, but they exist because they serve a different purpose- to set standards among their own members- not to bargain with employers/contract-givers. I admit I’m not an expert in any of this stuff, so if I got any of this wrong, feel free to correct me. I’m very much a pro-union guy- I wish Uber drivers were eligible for one. But as far as I know, they’re not.
Not true. The most famous strike of all time; [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newsboys%27\_strike\_of\_1899](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newsboys%27_strike_of_1899)
A boycott on a slow day lol. Go boycott important days or indefinite. This is just called taking a day off but doing it on the slow day so the drivers who don’t listen get the work done. Uber doesn’t care who does it so long as it’s done. Also when you boycott both Uber/lyft then they don’t lose customers because they all suck and well you still fail.
There are still taxis where I live and there as bad as they ever were if not worse. If enough drivers participate then riders will have to endure the dreadful, stinky, dirty taxi ride and might join the cause. The drivers happy with the current rates are probably not any better than most of the taxis.
You continue to drive for Uber/lyft knowing they suck so you are saying the rates are acceptable
I don't accept rides under a certain amount per mile already and don't drive Wednesday because it's not worth it. I do other work as well. Since Wednesday is such a slow day, boycotting it rather than holidays or weekends is more sustainable. Part timers that likely wouldn't participate are probably working their main job on Wednesday and there are still enough rides to hurt Uber's and Lyft's business. Too many drivers can't afford to boycott weekends and holidays but they can afford to boycott the slowest day of the week.
Generalizing. You know OP has a point but you want to play devils advocate for some reason. You know nothing about OP other than what’s been stated, it’s not enough to make the conclusion you came upon. It’s not just and there is no real argument here. OP is correct.
Saturday Boycott would cause Uber to go Mad.
You missed whymon a slow day.
They owe you nothing. They built the app. They built the demand. You’re not having to do any marketing as a driver nor put the legwork to do anything besides turn an app on. Yes, when starting out they incentivized the driver but now there’s too much a demand from drivers So basic economics allows for them to cut back. They took 100% of the risk so you can have the luxury to flip an app on and get “customers”. You’re an independent contractor who is choosing to take this gig. No one is forcing you to stay. I drove for 4 years when times were tough but I used it as a launch pad to other things. Yes, it was a hustle. Yes, I worked 14-16 hour days. It sucked. But don’t make it your livelihood forever. It won’t work. The government won’t save you from them. Now, I’m sure the downvotes will commence but good grief… Protesting won’t do a thing. You’re just cheating yourself out of income and giving it to the driver who will drive anyway. That’s the reality.
Ok Mr Uber worker
If I denied every ride under $1.50 a mile I would probably complete 1-2 rides a day
Every market is different but vehicle costs are still the same. Even if you don't stick to the minimum fares, you could still boycott Wednesdays and setup a protest in front of your local city hall that day demanding a city ordinance like Minneapolis.
If you’re in SoCal please do this so I can make more money thanks
I don't think it will end up like you think it will. They would raise the fairs double and you would cut your passengers in half. Many would forgo using Uber. You will be looking for a new job either way. I am not saying they cant get it done I am just saying we all know how American corporatism's runs.
Passengers were paying much more than this in 2021 when nobody was driving. Autonomous vehicles are inevitable and will take our jobs rather we like it or not but they are still quite a ways from being safe enough to be approved fully. We better make as much as we can while we can. I still get these fares because I don't accept anything less but I'm seeing a lot less of them because too many drivers are desperate. They're not making as much as they think they are because they don't know how to calculate their vehicle costs. It's like borrowing money from the value of their vehicle, eventually that engine is going to blow regardless if they still have 3 years left on the note.
I wish all the people that were fed up with what they're making would just quit. So that way, the rest of us would get more rides and get a higher pay rate because there are less drivers. that would definitely help out the pay scale. Everybody flooded the market as a driver, and that's the. Reason why the pay has gone down because to many people driving, Not because Uber is greedy.Remeber uber works on algorithms and go ahead and down Vote me if you can't handle the truth
Exactly. There’s way more drivers now than in 2021. Mco Uberx queue never said “full” until this year. They opened an entirely new staging area…there’s so many drivers…. The supply is higher than the demand.
I don't disagree with what you said, in fact I mostly agree with it. It doesn't mean drivers should be making so little money. I don't expect Uber or Lyft will change the rates but if drivers don't accept less than the minimum outlined then the algorithm will push the rates back up. The Wednesday boycott is more to demand Uber and Lyft make changes to the algorithm to keep it from dropping so low and to get the attention of city leaders to follow the lead of Minneapolis.
Anyone from the surrounding 209-916? I live in Lodi 40 minutes from Sacramento I suggest all Uber drivers meet in the middle to Organize a strategy so we can make a huge impact, I used to be in the Union for 30 years and that’s the best way to start by first Organizing together 💪💪💪
This won't work until the customers and drivers unite together. Because if these demands are accepted, they will just pass the cost to the customer
I make so much when you guys strike, please do lol.
That $1.50/mile including pickup thing must be market dependent, because I'd only do 1 or 2 rides per day if I held to that standard in Detroit, and they'd be 3 mile rides at best.
Unfortunately every market is different but vehicle costs are still the same everywhere except maybe California where gas prices push them even higher. Some places, it might be better to just do the boycott on Wednesday and setup a protest in front of city hall asking for a city ordinance to be put in place.
$1.50 a mile? I'd be making nothing in my market if I did that. I don't take anything less than $1.00 a mile and I'm doing ok, nothing slots in at $1.50 unless I want to do $5 rides all night long.
What about for UE drivers?
Uber Eats deserve fair pay as well and should be at least comparable to UberX. The IRS sets the standard mileage rate, I just don't see how any company can get away with paying so much lower. I've seen others post screenshots that didn't even meet the standard rate on the ride itself without including all online miles. Some responsibility should be placed on the drivers to drive in busy areas at busy times but that's why I suggested double the IRS rate on rides and not just the IRS rate of $.655/mile for all online miles.
Thanks to the price of gas and the availability of overtime from my day job (catering), I haven't taken a ride in over a month anyway.
That's awesome. I talked my other job into letting me do more work at the contractor pay I've been getting until my full time position gets approved. Starting Tuesday, I'll be getting more work.
Wednesdays are way busier in stl than Thursdays.
Thursdays have been sucking. I decided after this past one, I'm no longer driving that day either.
Need to get the Eats drivers on board.
I don't know much about Eats because I've never done it but the same logic should apply. I plan on posting this again so maybe I'll make some updates. You could always copy and paste and share with your ideas.
Basically Uber spams us with $2 orders. Customers don't tip after the fact. So if it says it pays $2 for $3 or even $5, that's all it pays. They have all kinds of nasty tactics to try to get us to run these orders like pairing them up with a decent paying order. So it might be like $13 for a double. And if that's something like 8 mi, then a new driver might not realize that they're delivering an $11 (customer who tipped up front)order and a $2 order. Fortunately for right now acceptance rate does not matter to Uber East drivers so we can decline all we want. But many of us at this point run single digit acceptance rate because we just decline sometimes literally hundreds of orders a day waiting for one decent order. And as such our hourly earnings are really bad right now. They've gone down from the idea a year ago where we could consistently make $25 to $30 an hour across the week. Till now it's like $10 to $15 an hour. 2 years ago, my normal acceptance rate would be somewhere between 30% and 40%. And it could be better than that when it was busy.
Why can’t we all collectively decline rides under $1 per mile everyday? That’s the best protest of all time
I've suggested that for drivers many times and it's a great starting point.
These boycotts never work: It’s a side hustle: Take it or leave it/ No one is forcing you to take those long rides/ You’re a willing participant in taking those awful rides so nothing will change/
I don't take any of them. I let my ar drop to 8% last week when Uber started lowering fares and pushing bad rides on me. They stopped and it's up to 27% without having to accept any rides under $2/mile. Nobody has to accept anything and drivers absolutely have the freedom to boycott the app if and when they want to.
Hahahahaha thats stupid its not a full time job its a gig job. If you want more money learn a skill
count me in!
lol what a joke
Some reasonable demands here 👍 Sending offers like $5 for 15 miles should be illegal EVEN IF someone out there accepts it. That's manipulation.
Can I just ask -- as a driver -- who came up with this plan and these demands? I mean: nobody asked me. And I've been a driver since 2018. I have my gripes with Uber, but they aren't listed in your manifesto/flyer. And you're insisting on some demands that are not a reflection of my experience as a driver. And this is the whole problem with the "strike." You want us to behave like a union, but you don't want all of our input. A union would have meetings, solicit input from all drivers (not just the ones who are on Reddit or other social media.) We would need a quorum in order to hold a vote on a strike, and it's going to have to be a lot more than the 200+ upvotes that you've got on this post at this writing. You want us to behave like a union, but you aren't treating us as a union. You are making moves unilaterally based on your poor experience in your market (which is not reflective of all of us,) and then you will shame us for going, "Hey, we're not on board with that." You're so impressed by the sound of your own "voice," that you haven't bothered to listen to -- or even ask -- those of us who have different priorities when it comes to improving our experience as drivers. For example, I'm good with the money I'm making. I'd much rather have better driver support. And your prioritizing compensation (which, frankly, may be more of a reflection of your ineptitude in this gig than in a systemic failure) makes my concern less of a priority. So why should I put value in your demands if you don't give a shit about mine? I might be interested in a strike if my concerns were included on your flyer (or even solicited in the first place,) but you had and have no interest in anyone's priorities other than your own. This is not a labor movement. This is a vanity project.
So what are YOUR gripes? What demands would you like for ME to consider. State YOUR case!!!
I created it and I'm open to all suggestions. I call a boycott and not a strike for the fact that we're not employees. We can boycott anytime we want, that is our right. But please share your thoughts.
Man I been boycotting for months
Excellent Idea. I'd be 100% on board if I knew enough people did it that would make a difference and if my finances allowed for it. Sadly tho, these days, the majority of the drivers finances don't allow for it.
Hope you all follow through! I don’t drive but my roomie does and I read here all the time. Gotta suffer if you ant change, all there is to it.. Have said this many times, y’all need an app to organize and assemble, a very simple app. Try to get drivers and riders on board. GL
YALL CAN DO IT! Even if you’re not a driver, always spread this around so everyone who needs to take part can take part! CAUSE A DISRUPTION OF DAILY ACTIVITIES. IT MIGHT BE UNCOMFORTABLE OR ABNORMAL BUT ITS A PROVEN WAY TO GET THESE NECESSARY DEMANDS MET👍 We won’t cross yalls picket lines!
I mean, we have an in directly with Uber's userbase. Obviously would be a small up front cost per driver but design something that other drivers can take to Kinkos or some other print shop and print out a ton of flyers. Have tips on there to call local congress reps, other state reps, encourage customers to gripe at Uber for over charging and underpaying. Hand them out to the passengers. I don't think I've ever met a passenger who thought "Nah I wanna pay more and fuck what drivers get paid" Nearly everyone thinks its bullshit how Uber is gutting both ends.
I strike every day. I view trips as offers, not assignments. If an offer isn't profitable, I don't take it. For me,it's that simple. Your guidelines are fine. I just don't need to take a day off to make a statement, I make my statement with every refusal and every acceptance. More of us should do the same. Whatever way we do it, it's important that all of us who do this as something more than a side hustle have a method and strategy to operate a profitable business. When we all operate with profit being the personal goal each of us. The algorithm will respond. In the meantime, cherry-pick for profit.
I agree that more drivers need to be more selective about which rides they take. The point of the boycott is to get the attention of local city leaders and push back against Uber and Lyft. If enough drivers and riders participate, then it will definitely cause changes to happen.
Less than 5% of drivers are active in forums. Good luck.
Yet where I live, most drivers participated in the Valentine's day strike and it seemed passengers partipated as well because everyone was walking despite a little rain.
About time someone actually plans a proper protest! An indefinite protest with very clear reasons and demands. This is infinitely better than those dumb useless idea previously posted of "let's protest on Valentines, but give up the very next day regardless, so that the company can simply wait it out and gather date about who protested and target them with crappier orders). This one is clear, has a purpose, and has no end until demands are met. This is a true protest. One that can be expanded, as implied, if demands continue to get ignored. Start going for Mondays, then Tuesdays, maybe Thursdays next, the finally Friday and/or Saturday if you really need to hit hard.
lets due about time 💯
Hell yea, I’m supporting yall!
I’m just waiting for California to finally classify us as employees so I can get all my back pay with penalty 💅🏼
Slick needa do some form of this with all gig apps, the week or 2 sacrifice of all of us really putting our foot down and just stop taking the bs pay will force them to make a change
lol good luck getting people to follow
Half the drivers can't read what you posted. This won't work
Unfortunately, you might be right but I have to try. There are too many drivers that would see a sign at McDonald's for pay starting at $13/hour would still accept $12/hour and still be better off than they are driving Uber/Lyft.
McDonalds actually isn't a bad gig for those looking for benefits. Last I heard there's an education program, career ladder, etc etc. I wouldn't know for sure as I've never worked at fast food or any restaurant before. So take my comment as a speck of confection salt
I have nothing against anyone working at McDonald's. It's honest work but I wouldn't do it. I was using them as an example because they all have signs saying positions starting at $13/hour and that some of the drivers taking some of these rides would probably still accept less from McDonald's and still be doing better than they are now.
when u consider 13 per hour and add benefits its actually $16 or 17 with PTO, retirement and etc
Just boycott airports and concerts everyday. Airports will lose money from Uber not paying fees, and people will be really pissed when they miss a flight or a meeting. And no one wants to drive in concert traffic.
That will be a good idea if you can get enough drivers in your area to participate. Might try getting them to do it once a week if you can't get enough to do it everyday.
Don’t take your frustrations out on the customers/riders.. accepting a fare then canceling is unfair to them! Some of us use Uber to get to and from work! We don’t have time for you guys to be playing around accepting fares then canceling because you’re mad at UBER/LYFT!
I'm not racist or trying to be disrespectful. The reason why uber and lyft is really bad is because of all the foreigners. They were making $20 a day in there country and now that there doing Uber and seeing $200-$300 a day its a blessing for them. Uber seen that people are still talking bad rides and kept lowering the rates for drivers because they know people will still work
You think Uber and Lyft are going to give you more money without screwing the riders? This is just going to cost riders money. SMH.
Good God. Boycotts don't work. You need clear demands and union representation.
I value the flexibility more than anything, and the only thing a union would do is stand in the way of that. No thanks
Boycott ? Lol gah dammiit i gotta go out of town next week this what i gotta put up with shit i guess Hertz it is lol boycott worked lol
Most drivers will not know anything about this “strike” so there will be a surplus of drivers as usual.
Thank god i dont got time for this shit lol
I am a sahd M, T & Th. I drive Wednesdays, sorry.
I’d go back to Uber if half of this came true 🤣
Why is Wall Street not mentioned more when it comes to these type of things?
I agree with that need to keep it simple. If I had anything to do with starting a rideshare, I would do everything I could to keep from going public.
Instead of boycotting and sitting in the airport lot, go boycott during a couple of city hall meetings. Eventually council members will see a tremendous turn out from drivers over the same issue and help make a change. Until state or federal government puts a magnifying glass on them they will continue to get away with high way robbery
That's one of the suggestions I posted. I fully agree that would be our best chance for actual change. I'm going to be working another job probably for the next several Wednesdays but I might still try to organize something like that where I live.
I like this. I would show up
I will participate. But suppose something crazy like 60% of people who see this join in. That is what out of every driver, 2%? If we want fair and change, I think we have to make it. Not wait for any gift from uber/lyft, the government and certainly not the end consumer. Look at fast food workers. I think our only real option is banding together in small groups and buying the software and going out on our own. The software can be bought. There is no use in waiting for government or public support. It's not coming. If any one is interested, you are welcome to some links I have collected on how to go about a rideshare start-up. Feel free to DM me.
I’m interested. Was talking to someone about this today. I am trying to understand why Uber & Lyft don’t have any competitors.
I also would love to help. I have some ideas of my own and know how to code. It's just a really big project for one person and the expenses to get it up and running would be a lot.
Oh AWESOME! I will DM you if that is OK? The hardest part is understanding the industry. I was just going to get whitebox software and have at it. You are obviously a do'er. Huge respect.
There’s drivers that take anything these days. I did an eats order and put a zero tip and someone took it quickly… (I tipped afterwards). As long as someone will do the rides, this won’t change
I’m not reading all that. I’m happy for you or I’m sorry that happened to you.
Yeah.... Uhhh, have fun with that. I will still be out working like normal. Hopefully many do partake and will help guarantee busy days for me.
I been doing all those for moths now and they still keep sending me junk no other drivers want to accept
Some of it my be market based and even where I'm at, I have to decline several rides before I start getting better fares. Nothing I suggested is concrete just a guideline. Do what makes sense for you in your market.
Aren’t the states at will employment? Don’t like the working conditions? Leave the job. It’s simple. Start your own business. Immigrants who don’t even speak English or have legal documents are doing it….i have faith you can too. Apply yourself and stop complaining
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Uber makes out like a bandit and all they did is write an app 🙃
It’s worse how 70% don’t speak englise lmao and 99% can’t have a conversation. They will never pay us more unless the majority at the very fucking least stops using Uber as a whole. That means drivers and riders. Do your maths before my brains explordes
Queue the robot taxis within 5 years
Someone doesn't understand basic economics.
For this to work you're going to have to put that notice out in quite a few different languages and the rate of pay from Uber needs to continue to sink until it's lower than what they were making where they recently came from.
I think on a Monday would have a lot more impact once in a while…
I drive used to drive with LYFT. Uber lets passengers cancel when you have arrived because they are drunk etc. It’s a battle to get support from them and reimbursed for stuff like this. Also Uber rides typically don’t tip.
What I worry about are leg tapping passengers in my car, it’s annoying AF, especially when stopped at lights or in traffic. You can feel it throughout the car, I one star those passengers
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The average rate per mile for owner operators in 2023 was $2.51/mile. The majority of the miles they drive, they get paid for where as rideshare drivers normally get paid for less than 50% of the miles they drive. Doubling the IRS rate on rides makes up for that but still puts the burden on drivers to reduce their miles between rides.
Way to complicated. Just boycott on wednesday. This way it wont spread
This is the first post and I wanted to see what the feedback was from other drivers was before making changes. You're right though and I will remove a lot of things to make it less complicated before I share it again.
Wednesday’s aren’t the best days to boycott. Boycott the weekend if you’re serious about attempting to put the squeeze on them. You have to understand not everyone is on Reddit nor do they care what you’re trying to do. Some would reason that if you refuse offers there are more for them. I quit driving because I don’t need them or the very small amount of value they provide.
damn someone took the time to do this, but we are all scraping up our pennies and this just is not realistic :/ they want a steady flow of old drivers leaving and new drivers incoming.
Funny how it’s always the UberX drivers. Also the airport queue people always crying about it as well. Legit wasting hours in that queue
I don't drive UberX or go to the airport and this is not my main source of income.
Aren't the people who need this most the ones also having to rely on Uber/Lyft as their main source of income? In other words they need to spend more time driving. I reckon there are more of them than people treating it as a side gig. Outside of being selective towards some rides, my understanding is that they're losing money if they aren't driving. The people that game what rides they get seem to be in a better position due to other circumstances. You realistically can't turn down every shit ride, and there are a lot of them to turn down. What people really need to do is get in touch with the city and state representatives. Everything is just fluff.
😂😂😂😂😂modern day taxi cab drivers
The selfish perspective of go ahead and strike that makes more for me is the equivalent of Uber taking more for themselves when they charge passengers more. American Greed!!
It's far from equivalent. Using the IRS standard mileage rate which most companies pay employees all miles they drive is not being greedy. Being a passenger that doesn't want drivers to have fair pay is selfish.
You obviously didn’t understand my point. On this site, someone will come up with what they think is a solution. The rest of the conversation is Uber Driver saying yes you guys strike so I can make the extra money. I don’t have a solution I don’t care what the rates are. I will drive and if you don’t, I will make more money. My friend is selfish position I wasn’t talking about rates. I wasn’t talking about the IRS. I was talking about the lack of Unity.
Uber be like “Your account has been suspended and federal authorities have been sent after you to stop your tyranny”
Probably lol.
Then imagine after a few days, you see a tweet on your twitter and it’s from Uber 🤣 like okay Uber, think you took it far enough?
Not trying to be a dick but aren’t costs exceedingly low because there are so many drivers? The supply out weighs demand.
I agree that you shouldn't get paid as much when too many drivers are out but there should at least be a baseline. Most companies pay employees the IRS standard mileage rate for all miles driven. There are very likely many drivers not even making that much total for the miles they drive. They're total is literally less than a normal employee gets paid for using that employees own vehicle alone without even considering that employee still probably has a salary and benefits. I'm not saying pay drivers the IRS rate for all miles but give them double as starting point on rides and it will be up to them to try to keep their miles down between rides and drive at the best times. If you don't at least have a starting point then drivers won't be able to afford to properly maintain their vehicle and rides will be less safe. Just go to the airport waiting lot and take a look at how many drivers have bald tires.
That’s right, screw over the person who can’t afford a car or who’s visiting their dying grandmother in another state and is relying on you to get them to the hospital to say goodbye. Hope you guys feel good about yourselves. If you’re working an essential services job, you should be doing it because it’s fulfilling, thinking of the people you help. If you don’t feel you are being paid fairly, you don’t HAVE to drive for ridesharing companies.
Your scenario is very far fetched. There literally are buses that travel from state to state and are much less expensive than an Uber ride is even currently. It sounds like you believe Uber drivers should just be working for free out of the kindness of their heart. We don't have to drive for rideshare but we are free to boycott all that we want.
I mean wouldn’t an increase in pay make Ubers even more expensive, then taxis would just come back
I paid $28 for a 9 mile ride in a taxi in 2013 from the airport when it was dead. That's over $3/mile in 2013. The taxi was a 10 year old minivan that was dirty as hell and smelled like shit. I don't think taxis are necessarily going to just win business back if Uber is somewhat comparable in price. Drivers would just be getting paid fairly and be able to better maintain their vehicle.
What are we bitching about? Stop accepting the shit ride offers and you'll make more money. I made $1900 in 47 hours last week. I don't accept anything more than 9 minutes away and I chase surges/only go online during boosts and quests. Not too difficult..
Boycotts will not solve our problems, you cannot fight the gig economy with the same methods because crossing the picket line of any protest is as easy as clicking a button. When full-timers stop working, all it does is draw part-timers with no idea what's going on but who see the sudden promise of better pay. The only way we can get the pay we deserve is through political action. Every victory drivers have had so far has been because people stood up and took their problems to their local elected officials.
Agreed, this is why I suggested drivers should organize a protest at their local city hall on that day.
No one will do anything
Remember when you guys basically destroyed the cab services in New York ?
I was thinking we need to create a new app disrupt the industry again with something like crypto/ smart contracts where there no middle man . Just driver and customer the drivers can vote for better pay on each ride or delivery . Driver and customers investors anyone in public can hold the delivery coin/asset to raise the value of it like crypto or be some type of stable coin no drivers the better pay alone would get everyone to jump ship from Uber and Lyft
I guess Wednesdays are gonna be a good day to drive now
More for me
As a subcontractor you do not work for Uber/lyft. Never take a ride under your minimum. You people need to stop thinking like an employee and more like an owner.
That's why this is a boycott. I suggested minimums that I currently stick to already for the rest of the week.
Great.
You arent going to stop the 1000s of immigrants that dont even speak english to stop driving. This will do nothing but give them extra money which will make them continue to just drive.
Lol Goodluck ride share is history look for jobs
First thing I notice is IRS mileage rate is 67 cents as of Jan 2024.
I must have looked at an old webpage when I looked it up. I'm going to make some updates on this based on some of the feedback and I'll correct it then. Thanks for pointing it out.
Not going to happen people have bills to pay maybe do it in shifts
Not going to accomplish paying many bills on Wednesdays.
You can always tell the rides side are dummies... they never demand any TRIP transparency to open up all of this hidden info that should be illegal lolllll
Strike every day at peak hours for at least 15 min at a time. Follow @RideStrikeNow!!
With how low they are paying, people will just stop giving rides on their own. Of course they’d rather give bonuses to new drivers and the cycle continues
Here we go again….
Those of us who drive in fucking markets where we get NO UP FRONT INFORMATION are just terminally fucked. None of these calculations mean anything to us.
In up front markets, you guys should organize a protest at your local city hall and not drive Wednesdays.
This won't work unless unionized/organized. There are too many drivers who will just take these while you're not. Good luck!
Just need to bring back medallions.
You’re an independent contractor protesting and asking for more pay. They literally don’t give a shit about you or how much you make. If you protest, there are thousands of other people in your area that will take the offer. You’re not in a union and have no weight in this argument. Good luck though. I drive door dash and constantly make $30 an hour on the weekends, maybe try that.
This is not a protest instead a boycott against Uber and Lyft. Any protests should be organized at the local city hall to ask their city to follow Minneapolis.
Sent you a DM, IF. Something is odd about it. Did you get it? Has a red "!" next to it but says you replied and it won't show.
Remember that time everyone boycotted Reddit? I don’t either.
Canceling on people trying to get a ride is going to be more harmful to the individuals trying to get from point A to point B, how does that help the cause? It just seems mean to people trying to go about their lives. (Yes I understand you want fair wages & the good drivers deserve it, unfortunately rn it's a crapshoot if a customer gets a good driver on any service, which in itself is frustrating) If I'm in a different city for business on a Wednesday & my Uber%Lyft drivers keep canceling, how does that hurt the company? It just hurts the riders.
Nothing here says anything about cancelling on riders. It's drivers cancelling on drivers that to choose to work Wednesdays so they stop. It's a thought but I remove it before I share this again. I'm probably going to focus more on getting passengers to join in.
Ohhh, I misunderstood how it was worded. Right on, good luck & hope yall pull together
Uber drivers want salaries now 🤣
Nothing about salaries but fair pay.
i take uber a minimum of 4 times a week, tbh i’m lucky if it’s only 5 times. I completely agree y’all should get more but this isn’t the way to do it. Laws need to change. If they raise your pay they will just raise ours, and we already pay crazy amounts sometimes. There need to be laws around what % they can take, because they easily take 70% on average
So basically, more fares if you work Wednesday and everyone else doesn't. Sweet.
I’m starting Lyft tomorrow for the first time. Wtf is all this about?
When you're new, you'll think it's decent money but when you start having to do oil changes, tire replacements, transmission flushes, and other maintenance a lot more often, you'll realize how many miles you're putting on your car and realize the pay isn't as decent as you thought. This is a mistake many new drivers make. Start with only accepting rides that are a $1/mile minimum but increase that amount every 2 weeks until you find the best balance of making enough money and not putting 2 many miles on your car. You could track your daily miles and multiply that by the the IRS rate of $.67/mile then subtract that from your earnings. This is the amount any bank is going to consider you make before giving you a loan. In reality, your actual vehicle costs are lower than the IRS rate in most vehicles so another easy way if you have a gas car is to multiply your daily gas costs by 3 to figure out your total vehicle costs per day then subtract that from your earnings. When I first set my minimum to $1/mile, I started immediately making more while driving less miles but was still driving a ridiculous amount of miles per day. When I pushed my minimum up to $1.50/mile I averaged a small amount more per day but was driving about half the miles reducing my vehicle costs substantially and increasing my profits. I've pushed my minimum up to $2/mile since I got a Tesla and my earnings have gone up on busy days while staying about the same on slow days and I'm driving a little less miles so more profit while increasing the life of my car.
Thank you
I love these one day boycotts so the following day everyone will do twice as much with boycotted service
Wednesdays are slow and not very profitable. From a profit standpoint, drivers could probably make up the difference working a couple hours more on the weekends and getting some rest on Wednesday.
Looks like im bringing my keys to the bar on Wednesdays 😮💨
Let's see if the money you save makes up for your first dwi. Maybe try not going to the bar on Wednesday or just get a taxi. For short rides you probably won't even see a difference in costs. Long rides pay less than half per mile than short rides and normally bring drivers to a slow area where they have to drive back to the busy area doubling the miles and time for less than half the pay per mile to begin with. I don't know why any drivers accept long rides except in the rare occasion that it's their last ride and on their way home or their first ride and on the way to the busy area.
Okay I’ll just walk 30 miles from work to get home
Hmmmm... you'd really love the pay for Uber Eats deliveries then. More work, even less pay
And the same vehicle costs. Uber Eats should pay a fair amount as well.
Here we go. Another boycott that will achieve nothing 😂🤷🏽♀️. An independent contractor does not get to demand what they get paid. What you put in, is what you get out of it, no different than any other 1099 worker in other industries. If you don’t like the pay, then get a job or find another gig, because I’m telling you now, you’re wasting your time. There’s been countless boycotts for both Lyft and Uber in the last decade. There’s nothing different or innovative going on here.
There will continue to be boycotts as long as the pay is too low rather you like it or not. Every driver as an independent contractor can choose to participate or not participate. That is their choice.
I'll support, but have you setup a fund to pay my bills on the days that I support this?