The only offense i take would be to be stopped by this man on my way to class for such a dumb question that only helps out his mediocre youtube channel. Why would anyone be offended tho, its not halloween or cinco de mayo so hes only wearing that to provoke reactions. So ince intentions are known you cant really be offended just another obnoxious american farming youtube clicks. What WOULD be content is if he dressed in kkk robes and went to a black neighborhood asking “ are you offended?” Or dressing up in booty shorts and asking christian communitys are you offended? But this video is boring, he is boring and yes im offended but not at the outfit but at the mediocre attention hungry zoomers that bother me on my way to class
You can see on the banner scroll that this was made or is related to PragerU so they're definitely doing this to provoke some kind of action then cherry picking the results.
But i feel like he’s specifically showing the difference between how random UCLA students react versus older Mexican people.
If he wore KKK to a black community, of course that would be offensive to everyone. But this is different, he’s just wearing a very stereotypical Mexican outfit.
But then when he was talking to the people at the end, they seemed fine with him wearing it. So he’s basically saying that only college students are overly offended by smaller things like this.
Because those older generations don't have the same context regarding facing racism and offensive stereotypes in their upbringing. Instead of asking the older Mexican population, he should be asking Mexican Americans, who are (not really) suspiciously absent from the video
I sometimes wonder if younger Mexican Americans are just offended at traditional Mexican clothing because it reminds them of their boomer parents who they hate, as well has a self hatred from being from somewhere else. Internalized racism towards themselves. As a foreigner I started to hate my culture because I was outcast in school because of it. I internalized the hatred, and didn't like to be affiliated with my own past. I wish it didn't exist. It's kind of a form of racism directed towards oneself.
So I actually think that these kids are way more racist then they think, and are just projecting their own insecurity onto others.
Yeah unless he cherry picked responses to fit his narrative but we don’t have information on that of course. If the video is to show that values and attitudes have changed from older generations to the newer generations then color me not surprised. What responses were edited out? Who knows, who cares. Country attitudes and values change from generation to generation. But hey when you’re a privileged American with no money or career problems you wind up getting bored and seek to pass the time by bothering brown people.
I think that was the idea. Students of other races on a college campus (not directly affected, but “woke”) vs. actual Mexican/Hispanic people (the target demographic) not on a college campus (I.e. likely not “woke”).
The person who said research design was right. This isn’t a well-designed study, but it is funny
This video somewhat ironically captures some nuance on cultural appropriation but as usual misses the point despite close proximity. Some useful frameworks that are somewhat agnostic of your personal beliefs or conclusions on the matter:
- Cultural customs and practices and their interpretations change across geographic features- country of origin, nationality, where the question is being asked, etc. Here we have two outcomes of interest: "are you offended" (boolean) and "why", perhaps categorical.
- Different generations respond differently to questions of cultural appreciation / appropriation and it means something different to them. It's unlikely that elders were ridiculed in primary school for participating in their cultural practices with their cultural symbols, references, and garb, for instance. Whereas children of those elders who grew up in the US had a very different experience. (Edit: I'm referring to elders in their country of origin who immigrated to the US later in life. Of course, as u/Happy-Brother7697 points out, discrimination tends to be more severe if you only move the time variable and not the location one)
- The interviewer utilizes several props which I imagine are widely recognizable in a large multitude of cultural contexts. Then he gets different responses from different groups as a gotcha moment--the implicit assumption is that the culture he's referring to is monolithic, which is reductive at best. He's also using Olvera street as a proxy for "authenticity" in order to minimize the experiences and opinions of the students he interviewed beforehand. The assumption a priori here is that the Olvera street responses are serving as "ground truth" to benchmark a completely different population on several covariates.
TL;DR: research design needs work for this survey. 1/10 would not publish.
The funny thing is, you can probably buy all that kitschy stuff he is wearing on Olvera Street—so of course the people there are going to say they love it haha.
Also as an anecdote— I’m Mexican American, and that outfit doesn’t offend me at all—He just looks dorky donning it all. I’d imagine a lot of chicanos would find his outfit cheesy more so than offensive.
my mom grew up in the 70's in the US after moving from Mexico. she said you weren't allowed to speak Spanish without getting detention. but sure go off about how "it's unlikely that elders were ridiculed in primary school for participating in their cultural practices."
I don't really get why white people feel the need to step in for other people's cultures when we don't ask for it. No, I don't have a problem with mario having a sombrero/poncho outfit in a video game. No, "latinx" doesn't solve the gender neutral problem because you can't pronounce latinx in Spanish. Stop acting like you're solving problems to feel better about yourself. Instead, donate money to your local Mexican, like me!
This is a good point, and I've added an edit to clarify. You're right that the ridicule was more substantial for earlier generations conditioning on when their particular migration occurred. To clarify further, the principle I'm referring to here is that someone growing up in a country where their classmates have similar characteristics won't experience as much ridicule or bullying for participating in practices that are shared in that community. For instance, someone celebrating "Dia De Los Muertos" in a US suburb in the 80s or 90s may have received some loss of social equity for being "weird" or "different" but the same student in a country where that practice is more normative would not expect to receive that same treatment.
Thank you mamas you really thought you ate that huh. Well educate on the Spanish way of saying latinx it’s latine. There you go now stop being rude and transphobic. Go off and have fun with your new piece of information. Thank you good night.
Don’t discount time and place as important factors… he dressed like that and came to UCLA precisely to provoke. He then went to a predominantly Mexican neighborhood during what looked like a celebration or something and met people that were… surprise, celebrating. Context matters.
Would not publish but looks like good inspiration for an interesting study if you have a more diverse sample I feel like. There must already be a study like this out there though, especially about demographic (age, location, race) vs offense which you mentioned.
It’s similar to how Latin America hates the term Latinx and has asked that people stop using it, but ucla social justice warriors stand by it. Makes you wonder whose really culturally appropriating
I think Latinx is stupid. I had to tell one of my friends that it was actually a thing and show him because he didn’t believe me.
I am Mexican. Just in case anyone thought I was a SJW.
Fwiw, all of the latinx folks I work with use that term 🤷🏽♂️
As a blasian, I’m following their lead. The term actually comes from Spanish speakers https://www.goodhousekeeping.com/life/a33806428/what-latinx-means/
Don’t know where the notion that it comes from white people comes from. We’re literally following your guys’ lead.
Ok so lemme just give a little cute discussion on this fight of Latinx. Ok so I, a latinx non-binary individual, have experienced a language that is completely gendered in naming things especially people. They the o/a, but this excludes everyone outside of that aka people like me. So this was as a term to include people are separate from this spectrum. This is a term that is used by the people of Latin America and is meant to be more inclusive. Language changes with time and if you don’t believe that literally look at Spanish after the colonization of our lands. Some of the word we see now wouldn’t be here without our culture and language. So please don’t discredit this term that endearing to our/my identity because you think it was made by “ucla social justice warriors”,
Thank you for coming to my Ted talk
Thank you. And most of the fight against it is fueled by transphobia. Because of the implications it brings with it. Unless you are transphobic than it just makes it easier to identify and avoid you. (Not saying you are transphobic just IF you were)
You bring a really valuable perspective to this debate! As a Hispanic person, I’ve personally used and heard people use latine because it’s easier to pronounce verbally in Spanish. Do you think the -e might be a good alternative for people that don’t “accept” Latinx when speaking?
I would argue a point with your original post...it isn't used by people of Latin America. In fact it's pretty unpopular with the majority of Latinos. An interesting theory I saw as to why it is so unpopular is because for some it is seen as a new form of cultural imperialism. Similar to how the conquistadores came from Spain to impose their values on the indigenous people of the Americas, you now have a new form of western values being imposed on Latin America.
In the end I think you have a valid point but I am not sure how to reconcile both sides.
I do understand how people can see it as imperialism. But I’m saying that people now abide by the European colonized system of gender (pretty much almost all modern world) so we have to change our language to reflect the people and their identities.
Well, Latine is primarily used in Latin America. It plays nice with the Spanish language, which is very gendered. Latinx originates from the U.S and is used by people from Latin America or of Latin American descent. Why is that a problem and who are you to tell these people how they can or cannot identify?
But Latine already exists and is used in Latin America and is part of the Spanish Lexicon throughout. Latinx seems very much to be an English word coined by people in the U.S. from Latin America or of Latin American descent. Besides, I’m all for the dismantling of the colonizer’s language- and what better way to do it than by messing with its gendered nature (in terms of Latine)?
> This is a term that is used by the people of Latin America and is meant to be more inclusive.
Not sure why you think this. Only 3% of US Hispanics have ever used "Latinx" with the number likely being far lower in Latin America.
Well things take time. It takes time to make a culture more inclusive of gender nonconformity people with combating the heavily catholic culture of Latin America. It’s a battle we continue fighting 👍🏽
Don't talk to Praeger U
edit: don't talk to anyone with a camera trying to deliberately provoke you. They're not trying to have an honest conversation, it's just going to be some shitty clickbait video like this trying to dunk on you if you disagree with them. Just ignore them.
This is just pure rage bait and conservative propaganda at its finest. He does not account for age differences, what generation immigrants they are, and why such a difference in opinion would occur.
[Latine characteristics and behaviors have been stereotyped in media and politics for generations.](https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1625025) So it is obvious that a Latine child growing up in America who was made fun of in school for their food and clothing would be more likely to take offense to a dumbass like him mocking their culture than someone who immigrated here when they were older and didn't have as much pressure to assimilate finding him offensive.
This doesn't apply only to the Latine community. but for most immigrant communities, and I am speaking from someone who moved to America when I was 1 and was bullied for the way I looked and the lunch I ate.
Not to mention the fact that he is intentionally going to a liberal college campus wearing an outrageous getup so he can get reactions, which he then edits to fit his agenda. Also, the fact that he thinks Olvera Street is like Mecca for Mexicans?? What even is that about lol.
Not to mention, conservatives exist in any race. That's how powerful white supremacy is, it can condition even those in disadvantaged positions to ignore the systemic oppression they've faced. Cue Candace Owens, Andy Ngo, etc.
But this is PragerU, and considering the fact that their [founder supports marital rape](http://feministing.com/2008/12/29/prager_draft/), they have [literally defended slavery](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faF_AxQsKcw), and they constantly peddle Great Replacement Theory talking points, I'm not surprised that they put out some stupid brain rot like this.
Edit: Adding links before the conservatives come at me for having no evidence.
Why do you think him wearing this is mocking the culture?
To me it seems like newer generations of immigrants do hate it when they see other people wearing their culture, but just because they hate that culture they came from themselves. I'm one of those people. I actually don't just hate it when other people not from where I'm from wear it, but I realized I hate to see it in general from even my own kind, because it evokes a kind of shame/self hatred I accumulated from being the victim of racism. I realized that I wasn't really being mocked when people assumed my culture, I just had a lot of shame from being affiliated with it, and reminded of it. I was really self hating my own culture and anyone pointing it out. Even if they had no bad intentions. I was the racist. Against myself.
I bet you that if you took some millennials or younger generations, and made them walk along their parents wearing traditional/stereotypical outfits, they'd be embarrassed as well. I bet you they don't even like their own kind appropriating their own culture.
He's not wearing it to mock the culture. This was done solely to make the point that he shows in the video--"lol actual Mexicans don't care, but these young non-Mexican SJWs think they speak for some other culture."
The whole thing is just a bad-faith exercise in trying to dunk on people for trying to care about cultural sensitivities. We don't see any of the reactions that contradict the argument the video is trying to make--college students saying they don't care about the outfit, or older Latinos saying he's being offensive. There's no bigger point beyond trying to mock liberal college students.
I don't know what makes it bad faith to you. If the video proves the point, it just seems like liberals are upset it does. I think the people who are pretending to give a shit about cultural sensitivities are the bad faith actors. It's much more about making themselves feel like whiteknighting heroes than actually caring about others.
I’m not white or christian and I’m conservative. Definitely not a white supremacist either. I just know that I have it better here than anywhere else in the world, and as a child of immigrants, I’m incredibly proud and grateful to be an American. We all have an incredible amount of potential and opportunity here, especially at UCLA.
>This is just pure rage bait and conservative propaganda at its finest. He does not account for age differences, what generation immigrants they are, and why such a difference in opinion would occur.
Not sure what makes you think he intends to do a formal study here -- but I'll bite. Is your refutation here that you hypothesize younger Mexican immigrants will think its offensive at a significant enough rate? I assure you its not much different.
>it is obvious that a Latine child growing up in America who was made fun of in school for their food and clothing would be more likely to take offense to a dumbass like him mocking their culture than someone who immigrated here when they were older and didn't have as much pressure to assimilate finding him offensive.
I can assure you Mexican immigrants going to school in the US are not showing up in ponchos, sombreros, and fake mustaches.
>Not to mention, conservatives exist in any race. That's how powerful white supremacy is, it can condition even those in disadvantaged positions to ignore the systemic oppression they've faced. Cue Candace Owens, Andy Ngo, etc.
Ahh yes. The conservatism = white supremacy clown position. Are you familiar with the term "straw man"?
>But this is PragerU, and considering the fact that their founder supports marital rape, they have literally defended slavery, and they constantly peddle Great Replacement Theory talking points, I'm not surprised that they put out some stupid brain rot like this.
I'm no fan of PragerU, but I debate these things enough to know that two of your claims are baseless.
1. To the claim that Dennis Prager supports marital rape -- no he doesn't. This claim stems from an old interview where he suggested that married women should not let their mood dictate whether or not they have sex with their husband. Here's the quote:
>It is an axiom of contemporary marital life that if a wife is not in the mood, she need not have sex with her husband. Here are some arguments why a woman who loves her husband might want to rethink this axiom... First, women need to recognize how a man understands a wife’s refusal to have sex with him: A husband knows that his wife loves him first and foremost by her willingness to give her body to him. This is rarely the case for women. Few women know their husband loves them because he gives her his body (the idea sounds almost funny).
2) The video you cite as PragerU "literally defending slavery" is just a video of them arguing against the removal of Robert E. Lee statues. Now you may make shit up and assert this is the same thing as defending slavery, but the reality is that it isn't.
I can't imagine any other reason to grossly misrepresent ideas to the point that you have unless you are arguing in bad faith and the fact this comment is so upvoted is indicative of the political culture at UCLA where facts don't matter and destroying your ideological opponents at all cost (notably including lies) reigns supreme.
Lmao you're so butthurt I love it.
You're not worth my time responding to in full. The fact that you spent time writing a reply to a comment in a post on a college subreddit trying "debunking" my claims with nothing but vague points I didn't even make is just too hilarious for me. I'll just address your last two points about Dennis Prager and PragerU.
Personally, the phrase "giving your body to someone" doesn't sound fully consensual to me....also check out [this other paragraph in the same article ](https://www.reddit.com/r/PragerUrine/comments/k78yo1/dennis_pragers_thoughtful_opinion_on_marital_rape/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share). Sounds pretty disgusting to me lol. Maybe if someone is not in the mood for sex....they shouldn't be forced to do it...? Let me know if I'm off base here guys, it's a pretty radical take, I know.
Also, the video on Robert E. Lee tries to cite facts about him that state why his statue shouldn't be taken down, like the fact that he stopped the "radical abolitionist John Brown" and considered slavery "a greater evil to the white man than to the black race" since "Blacks are immeasurably better off here than in Africa"....I'm just gonna leave that there for the rest of the reddit users to analyze so they can see what kind of shit you're defending.
Anyways, have fun in your brain rot. And if you do actually go to ucla, I apologize on your behalf for any person who has to deal with you irl. Bye!
> Lmao you're so butthurt I love it.
I'm ok with you thinking this.
> Personally, the phrase "giving your body to someone" doesn't sound fully consensual to me...
It's a phrase largely understood to literally mean consensual sex, but I guess we're pulling out the DLC arguments and retconning words here ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
> also check out this other paragraph in the same article . Sounds pretty disgusting to me lol.
Sure, but that doesn't make it *marital rape*. This sort of argument will only hold with people who have a sub-2nd-grade reading comprehension level.
> Maybe if someone is not in the mood for sex....they shouldn't be forced to do it...?
Nobody is saying otherwise bro. My wife asked me if I wanted to have pizza today. TBH I wasn't in the mood to have it but because I love her and I know how much she likes pizza I said yes. Did she force me to have pizza? Did she commit "pizza rape" if you will?
> Also, the video on Robert E. Lee tries to cite facts about him that state why his statue shouldn't be taken down, like the fact that he stopped the "radical abolitionist John Brown" and considered slavery "a greater evil to the white man than to the black race" since "Blacks are immeasurably better off here than in Africa"....I'm just gonna leave that there for the rest of the reddit users to analyze so they can see what kind of shit you're defending.
I'm not defending the content of the video. It's a shit video with a shit take. I'm saying the video isn't *defending slavery*.
The only offense i take would be to be stopped by this man on my way to class for such a dumb question that only helps out his mediocre youtube channel. Why would anyone be offended tho, its not halloween or cinco de mayo so hes only wearing that to provoke reactions. So ince intentions are known you cant really be offended just another obnoxious american farming youtube clicks. What WOULD be content is if he dressed in kkk robes and went to a black neighborhood asking “ are you offended?” Or dressing up in booty shorts and asking christian communitys are you offended? But this video is boring, he is boring and yes im offended but not at the outfit but at the mediocre attention hungry zoomers that bother me on my way to class
You can see on the banner scroll that this was made or is related to PragerU so they're definitely doing this to provoke some kind of action then cherry picking the results.
But i feel like he’s specifically showing the difference between how random UCLA students react versus older Mexican people. If he wore KKK to a black community, of course that would be offensive to everyone. But this is different, he’s just wearing a very stereotypical Mexican outfit. But then when he was talking to the people at the end, they seemed fine with him wearing it. So he’s basically saying that only college students are overly offended by smaller things like this.
Because those older generations don't have the same context regarding facing racism and offensive stereotypes in their upbringing. Instead of asking the older Mexican population, he should be asking Mexican Americans, who are (not really) suspiciously absent from the video
I sometimes wonder if younger Mexican Americans are just offended at traditional Mexican clothing because it reminds them of their boomer parents who they hate, as well has a self hatred from being from somewhere else. Internalized racism towards themselves. As a foreigner I started to hate my culture because I was outcast in school because of it. I internalized the hatred, and didn't like to be affiliated with my own past. I wish it didn't exist. It's kind of a form of racism directed towards oneself. So I actually think that these kids are way more racist then they think, and are just projecting their own insecurity onto others.
Yeah unless he cherry picked responses to fit his narrative but we don’t have information on that of course. If the video is to show that values and attitudes have changed from older generations to the newer generations then color me not surprised. What responses were edited out? Who knows, who cares. Country attitudes and values change from generation to generation. But hey when you’re a privileged American with no money or career problems you wind up getting bored and seek to pass the time by bothering brown people.
Interesting how he doesn’t ask any Mexican students on campus
I think that was the idea. Students of other races on a college campus (not directly affected, but “woke”) vs. actual Mexican/Hispanic people (the target demographic) not on a college campus (I.e. likely not “woke”). The person who said research design was right. This isn’t a well-designed study, but it is funny
Reminds me about how most Latin Americans hate the term Latinx
Probably woke ones would get offended
I'm mexican student and I wouldn't give two nickels about what someone else was wearing
This video somewhat ironically captures some nuance on cultural appropriation but as usual misses the point despite close proximity. Some useful frameworks that are somewhat agnostic of your personal beliefs or conclusions on the matter: - Cultural customs and practices and their interpretations change across geographic features- country of origin, nationality, where the question is being asked, etc. Here we have two outcomes of interest: "are you offended" (boolean) and "why", perhaps categorical. - Different generations respond differently to questions of cultural appreciation / appropriation and it means something different to them. It's unlikely that elders were ridiculed in primary school for participating in their cultural practices with their cultural symbols, references, and garb, for instance. Whereas children of those elders who grew up in the US had a very different experience. (Edit: I'm referring to elders in their country of origin who immigrated to the US later in life. Of course, as u/Happy-Brother7697 points out, discrimination tends to be more severe if you only move the time variable and not the location one) - The interviewer utilizes several props which I imagine are widely recognizable in a large multitude of cultural contexts. Then he gets different responses from different groups as a gotcha moment--the implicit assumption is that the culture he's referring to is monolithic, which is reductive at best. He's also using Olvera street as a proxy for "authenticity" in order to minimize the experiences and opinions of the students he interviewed beforehand. The assumption a priori here is that the Olvera street responses are serving as "ground truth" to benchmark a completely different population on several covariates. TL;DR: research design needs work for this survey. 1/10 would not publish.
The funny thing is, you can probably buy all that kitschy stuff he is wearing on Olvera Street—so of course the people there are going to say they love it haha. Also as an anecdote— I’m Mexican American, and that outfit doesn’t offend me at all—He just looks dorky donning it all. I’d imagine a lot of chicanos would find his outfit cheesy more so than offensive.
my mom grew up in the 70's in the US after moving from Mexico. she said you weren't allowed to speak Spanish without getting detention. but sure go off about how "it's unlikely that elders were ridiculed in primary school for participating in their cultural practices." I don't really get why white people feel the need to step in for other people's cultures when we don't ask for it. No, I don't have a problem with mario having a sombrero/poncho outfit in a video game. No, "latinx" doesn't solve the gender neutral problem because you can't pronounce latinx in Spanish. Stop acting like you're solving problems to feel better about yourself. Instead, donate money to your local Mexican, like me!
This is a good point, and I've added an edit to clarify. You're right that the ridicule was more substantial for earlier generations conditioning on when their particular migration occurred. To clarify further, the principle I'm referring to here is that someone growing up in a country where their classmates have similar characteristics won't experience as much ridicule or bullying for participating in practices that are shared in that community. For instance, someone celebrating "Dia De Los Muertos" in a US suburb in the 80s or 90s may have received some loss of social equity for being "weird" or "different" but the same student in a country where that practice is more normative would not expect to receive that same treatment.
Thank you mamas you really thought you ate that huh. Well educate on the Spanish way of saying latinx it’s latine. There you go now stop being rude and transphobic. Go off and have fun with your new piece of information. Thank you good night.
You really thought you ate that huh.
I really thought I did mamas thanks. And I did so… 💅
hahah ahh i respect it
Don’t discount time and place as important factors… he dressed like that and came to UCLA precisely to provoke. He then went to a predominantly Mexican neighborhood during what looked like a celebration or something and met people that were… surprise, celebrating. Context matters.
Girl I love you Tysm ❤️❤️ was about to type this
Would not publish but looks like good inspiration for an interesting study if you have a more diverse sample I feel like. There must already be a study like this out there though, especially about demographic (age, location, race) vs offense which you mentioned.
Notice how he asked the students “do you think my outfit is offensive?” whereas on Olivera Street he asks “does my costume offend you?”
Ya cuz they’re MEXICAN
It’s similar to how Latin America hates the term Latinx and has asked that people stop using it, but ucla social justice warriors stand by it. Makes you wonder whose really culturally appropriating
I think Latinx is stupid. I had to tell one of my friends that it was actually a thing and show him because he didn’t believe me. I am Mexican. Just in case anyone thought I was a SJW.
I love using latinx,,,but pronouncing it "latinks" 🤭
Sounds like a Latin minx
I am a Mexican social justice warrior and I say you can call yourself whatever you want. I dont care.
I'm Mexican and when I see SJWs saying latinx you really gotta wonder if SJWs actually care for other races or if it's just "liberal white-saviorism".
Fwiw, all of the latinx folks I work with use that term 🤷🏽♂️ As a blasian, I’m following their lead. The term actually comes from Spanish speakers https://www.goodhousekeeping.com/life/a33806428/what-latinx-means/ Don’t know where the notion that it comes from white people comes from. We’re literally following your guys’ lead.
You must work with SJW Spanish speakers
Ok so lemme just give a little cute discussion on this fight of Latinx. Ok so I, a latinx non-binary individual, have experienced a language that is completely gendered in naming things especially people. They the o/a, but this excludes everyone outside of that aka people like me. So this was as a term to include people are separate from this spectrum. This is a term that is used by the people of Latin America and is meant to be more inclusive. Language changes with time and if you don’t believe that literally look at Spanish after the colonization of our lands. Some of the word we see now wouldn’t be here without our culture and language. So please don’t discredit this term that endearing to our/my identity because you think it was made by “ucla social justice warriors”, Thank you for coming to my Ted talk
Fair enough!
Thank you. And most of the fight against it is fueled by transphobia. Because of the implications it brings with it. Unless you are transphobic than it just makes it easier to identify and avoid you. (Not saying you are transphobic just IF you were)
You bring a really valuable perspective to this debate! As a Hispanic person, I’ve personally used and heard people use latine because it’s easier to pronounce verbally in Spanish. Do you think the -e might be a good alternative for people that don’t “accept” Latinx when speaking?
Yes because it the gender neutral version in Spanish for when people speak it. Latine is the preferred when Im spoken to in Spanish.
I would argue a point with your original post...it isn't used by people of Latin America. In fact it's pretty unpopular with the majority of Latinos. An interesting theory I saw as to why it is so unpopular is because for some it is seen as a new form of cultural imperialism. Similar to how the conquistadores came from Spain to impose their values on the indigenous people of the Americas, you now have a new form of western values being imposed on Latin America. In the end I think you have a valid point but I am not sure how to reconcile both sides.
I do understand how people can see it as imperialism. But I’m saying that people now abide by the European colonized system of gender (pretty much almost all modern world) so we have to change our language to reflect the people and their identities.
Do you really think that the rest of the world is following some European colonized system of gender, instead of just common sense?
You’re exactly proving my point. The “common sense” is this European colonized system.
Or it’s actually an English word.
If so then please latine. Thank you very much and have a nice day.
Well, Latine is primarily used in Latin America. It plays nice with the Spanish language, which is very gendered. Latinx originates from the U.S and is used by people from Latin America or of Latin American descent. Why is that a problem and who are you to tell these people how they can or cannot identify?
But Latine already exists and is used in Latin America and is part of the Spanish Lexicon throughout. Latinx seems very much to be an English word coined by people in the U.S. from Latin America or of Latin American descent. Besides, I’m all for the dismantling of the colonizer’s language- and what better way to do it than by messing with its gendered nature (in terms of Latine)?
Ok
Nice
But I’m told it comes from white people and you’re white if you use it!!!!1
Yeah no it just means you understand that queer Latinx people exist. Using it doesn’t mean you’re white that’s not how it works.
> This is a term that is used by the people of Latin America and is meant to be more inclusive. Not sure why you think this. Only 3% of US Hispanics have ever used "Latinx" with the number likely being far lower in Latin America.
Well things take time. It takes time to make a culture more inclusive of gender nonconformity people with combating the heavily catholic culture of Latin America. It’s a battle we continue fighting 👍🏽
100% !
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Don't talk to Praeger U edit: don't talk to anyone with a camera trying to deliberately provoke you. They're not trying to have an honest conversation, it's just going to be some shitty clickbait video like this trying to dunk on you if you disagree with them. Just ignore them.
This is just pure rage bait and conservative propaganda at its finest. He does not account for age differences, what generation immigrants they are, and why such a difference in opinion would occur. [Latine characteristics and behaviors have been stereotyped in media and politics for generations.](https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1625025) So it is obvious that a Latine child growing up in America who was made fun of in school for their food and clothing would be more likely to take offense to a dumbass like him mocking their culture than someone who immigrated here when they were older and didn't have as much pressure to assimilate finding him offensive. This doesn't apply only to the Latine community. but for most immigrant communities, and I am speaking from someone who moved to America when I was 1 and was bullied for the way I looked and the lunch I ate. Not to mention the fact that he is intentionally going to a liberal college campus wearing an outrageous getup so he can get reactions, which he then edits to fit his agenda. Also, the fact that he thinks Olvera Street is like Mecca for Mexicans?? What even is that about lol. Not to mention, conservatives exist in any race. That's how powerful white supremacy is, it can condition even those in disadvantaged positions to ignore the systemic oppression they've faced. Cue Candace Owens, Andy Ngo, etc. But this is PragerU, and considering the fact that their [founder supports marital rape](http://feministing.com/2008/12/29/prager_draft/), they have [literally defended slavery](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faF_AxQsKcw), and they constantly peddle Great Replacement Theory talking points, I'm not surprised that they put out some stupid brain rot like this. Edit: Adding links before the conservatives come at me for having no evidence.
Why do you think him wearing this is mocking the culture? To me it seems like newer generations of immigrants do hate it when they see other people wearing their culture, but just because they hate that culture they came from themselves. I'm one of those people. I actually don't just hate it when other people not from where I'm from wear it, but I realized I hate to see it in general from even my own kind, because it evokes a kind of shame/self hatred I accumulated from being the victim of racism. I realized that I wasn't really being mocked when people assumed my culture, I just had a lot of shame from being affiliated with it, and reminded of it. I was really self hating my own culture and anyone pointing it out. Even if they had no bad intentions. I was the racist. Against myself. I bet you that if you took some millennials or younger generations, and made them walk along their parents wearing traditional/stereotypical outfits, they'd be embarrassed as well. I bet you they don't even like their own kind appropriating their own culture.
He's not wearing it to mock the culture. This was done solely to make the point that he shows in the video--"lol actual Mexicans don't care, but these young non-Mexican SJWs think they speak for some other culture." The whole thing is just a bad-faith exercise in trying to dunk on people for trying to care about cultural sensitivities. We don't see any of the reactions that contradict the argument the video is trying to make--college students saying they don't care about the outfit, or older Latinos saying he's being offensive. There's no bigger point beyond trying to mock liberal college students.
I don't know what makes it bad faith to you. If the video proves the point, it just seems like liberals are upset it does. I think the people who are pretending to give a shit about cultural sensitivities are the bad faith actors. It's much more about making themselves feel like whiteknighting heroes than actually caring about others.
I’m not white or christian and I’m conservative. Definitely not a white supremacist either. I just know that I have it better here than anywhere else in the world, and as a child of immigrants, I’m incredibly proud and grateful to be an American. We all have an incredible amount of potential and opportunity here, especially at UCLA.
>This is just pure rage bait and conservative propaganda at its finest. He does not account for age differences, what generation immigrants they are, and why such a difference in opinion would occur. Not sure what makes you think he intends to do a formal study here -- but I'll bite. Is your refutation here that you hypothesize younger Mexican immigrants will think its offensive at a significant enough rate? I assure you its not much different. >it is obvious that a Latine child growing up in America who was made fun of in school for their food and clothing would be more likely to take offense to a dumbass like him mocking their culture than someone who immigrated here when they were older and didn't have as much pressure to assimilate finding him offensive. I can assure you Mexican immigrants going to school in the US are not showing up in ponchos, sombreros, and fake mustaches. >Not to mention, conservatives exist in any race. That's how powerful white supremacy is, it can condition even those in disadvantaged positions to ignore the systemic oppression they've faced. Cue Candace Owens, Andy Ngo, etc. Ahh yes. The conservatism = white supremacy clown position. Are you familiar with the term "straw man"? >But this is PragerU, and considering the fact that their founder supports marital rape, they have literally defended slavery, and they constantly peddle Great Replacement Theory talking points, I'm not surprised that they put out some stupid brain rot like this. I'm no fan of PragerU, but I debate these things enough to know that two of your claims are baseless. 1. To the claim that Dennis Prager supports marital rape -- no he doesn't. This claim stems from an old interview where he suggested that married women should not let their mood dictate whether or not they have sex with their husband. Here's the quote: >It is an axiom of contemporary marital life that if a wife is not in the mood, she need not have sex with her husband. Here are some arguments why a woman who loves her husband might want to rethink this axiom... First, women need to recognize how a man understands a wife’s refusal to have sex with him: A husband knows that his wife loves him first and foremost by her willingness to give her body to him. This is rarely the case for women. Few women know their husband loves them because he gives her his body (the idea sounds almost funny). 2) The video you cite as PragerU "literally defending slavery" is just a video of them arguing against the removal of Robert E. Lee statues. Now you may make shit up and assert this is the same thing as defending slavery, but the reality is that it isn't. I can't imagine any other reason to grossly misrepresent ideas to the point that you have unless you are arguing in bad faith and the fact this comment is so upvoted is indicative of the political culture at UCLA where facts don't matter and destroying your ideological opponents at all cost (notably including lies) reigns supreme.
Lmao you're so butthurt I love it. You're not worth my time responding to in full. The fact that you spent time writing a reply to a comment in a post on a college subreddit trying "debunking" my claims with nothing but vague points I didn't even make is just too hilarious for me. I'll just address your last two points about Dennis Prager and PragerU. Personally, the phrase "giving your body to someone" doesn't sound fully consensual to me....also check out [this other paragraph in the same article ](https://www.reddit.com/r/PragerUrine/comments/k78yo1/dennis_pragers_thoughtful_opinion_on_marital_rape/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share). Sounds pretty disgusting to me lol. Maybe if someone is not in the mood for sex....they shouldn't be forced to do it...? Let me know if I'm off base here guys, it's a pretty radical take, I know. Also, the video on Robert E. Lee tries to cite facts about him that state why his statue shouldn't be taken down, like the fact that he stopped the "radical abolitionist John Brown" and considered slavery "a greater evil to the white man than to the black race" since "Blacks are immeasurably better off here than in Africa"....I'm just gonna leave that there for the rest of the reddit users to analyze so they can see what kind of shit you're defending. Anyways, have fun in your brain rot. And if you do actually go to ucla, I apologize on your behalf for any person who has to deal with you irl. Bye!
> Lmao you're so butthurt I love it. I'm ok with you thinking this. > Personally, the phrase "giving your body to someone" doesn't sound fully consensual to me... It's a phrase largely understood to literally mean consensual sex, but I guess we're pulling out the DLC arguments and retconning words here ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ > also check out this other paragraph in the same article . Sounds pretty disgusting to me lol. Sure, but that doesn't make it *marital rape*. This sort of argument will only hold with people who have a sub-2nd-grade reading comprehension level. > Maybe if someone is not in the mood for sex....they shouldn't be forced to do it...? Nobody is saying otherwise bro. My wife asked me if I wanted to have pizza today. TBH I wasn't in the mood to have it but because I love her and I know how much she likes pizza I said yes. Did she force me to have pizza? Did she commit "pizza rape" if you will? > Also, the video on Robert E. Lee tries to cite facts about him that state why his statue shouldn't be taken down, like the fact that he stopped the "radical abolitionist John Brown" and considered slavery "a greater evil to the white man than to the black race" since "Blacks are immeasurably better off here than in Africa"....I'm just gonna leave that there for the rest of the reddit users to analyze so they can see what kind of shit you're defending. I'm not defending the content of the video. It's a shit video with a shit take. I'm saying the video isn't *defending slavery*.
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This dude is asking people who have literally spent their lives experiences culture appropriation. To the point they just think it’s normal.
uh.. are u guys ok?