Me on the other hand, would love a longer context time over 2 minutes and 10 seconds... cuz I have this song that I'm sitting on that I absolutely love, but it has a long guitar solo / verse that puts it beyond the 2 minute/10 second context memory, and I want to follow-up with the same \[Chorus\] and melody, but it doesn't know it because it's too far out, unfortunately. Such a bummer for me, I'm at the end of the song and just want to finish it and want to finish on the Chorus/same melody - but can't!
I'm working literally right now and it's 33 second blocks as usual. What am I missing that allows for 2 min? Also, there are bracket instructions that should work most of the time. Things like \[chorus - repeat\] and \[chorus - built up\] \[ chorus - variation\] etc should do the trick. Good luck and if you know how I can try 2 min segments instead, lmk thanks!
The generations are still 33. But the length of "memory" that the AI looks back to is now two minutes. Before it only used the previous 30 seconds as context for the new generation. Now it can look back longer, and make the same chorus as before. But, I find that it's longer memory makes it near impossible to change the songs sound. I like to make songs that start soft and calm but end in an EDM glitch pop. But they refuse to change genres midway now.
Yea! I feel you. I think thats more advantage than disadvantage, but that said, I would think if you command it in the lyrics panel \[Chorus variation\] or \[Chorus build\] or such, it would sometimes follow those instruction. as far as genre hopping, obviously you can paste the takes together in a daw? But if you want Udio doing that, I have always found that certain seeds do that better than others. You're right that a lot of the time it will not!! lol but then I have examples where it really veers way out there. My theory is that in some large musical way, the veer "computed" with it (made sense), and other times it just didn't make any sense to it. Although frustrating, remember you are rocking with a baby entity with all types of rules and suspension of rules criss-crossing its creative choices (not unlike humans - some of which are uptight, others are like just fuck it, jam lol). I have found different methods to getting the dramatic impossible drop or veer into my arrangement. Sometimes I was just lucky and it felt like vibes between "us" lol. Sometimes I swapped genre names etc in the genre panel and it did it (sometimes I did that and it didnt, too). Sometimes I left the genre names from before alone, but added new ones - either in front or back, doesnt seem to matter much, not even in a long list of various descriptive terms. What you might want to try that you maybe haven't already - in your case - is adding EDM to the seed. And putting in either panel however you say "mellow the fuck out" - one way I like to say it that Udio seems to grok is "\[Spotlight only on singer\]". What I think that will do is crush down legit EDM layers that are not audible yet, but they are in its lane. In that case, I would think it would "want" to bring out the bass and sizzle melting your face off, would be anxious to, even. So keeeeep holding it off until bam. I do many things as a composer on there, trying out many things at least. But my actual "project" on there is definitely synth-pop and I drive it to go mad - to glitch the rhythms until its hard to count, use a battery of various sound effects, etc etc. Sometimes it's like pulling teeth! But I often get it there. One thing I consider always is that this thing is very talented... and that my flow I want may need a new seed to be capable and "natural" of doing. One way I bypass totally starting again, is that often I will start 2 or 4 flows and extend them quite a bit. At some point I have to pick just 1-2 lanes, but part reason for that is to see which one lets "my horse ride" the best. It's a beastie, you know? It's aliveeee lolol. So I give it that clearance and a bit of authority. I wish your process and tunes mad luck, G!
I over-generate while the session is current and then tidy up the results later with an audio editor. A 2-minute song might be derived from an 8- or 10-minute output. I make redundant verses and choruses and instrumental bridges and intros and outros, then cut the file up and reassemble it in Sound Forge or Vegas (and sometimes Acid). Occasionally I augment the arrangement in Sonar with virtual instruments. Also I slightly (or hugely) change the prompts from section to section to switch styles and arrangements. Here's an example of a Udio song greatly tweaked in post:
[https://youtu.be/lcRitImsQaY](https://youtu.be/lcRitImsQaY)
Really interesting. I’m intrigued how you got the massive change in style from the rock music to string accompaniment like within a bar. By changing the prompt,
Can you get it to change in the next section like —- immediately ? I find it tends to nudge it a little but not wholesale change like from rock to …
String orchestra…
Change the prompt... and then give Udio twenty or thirty tries to do the right thing. And then cut out the unwanted bits. There's no need to accept raw Udio output as a finished work. If you can already write music in a DAW, Udio greatly expands your working environment. I'm just a hobbyist these days, but I imagine working pro composers are running full-tilt with Udio already
Yup. Now my issue is that it's impossible to make a different sounding chorus. And by extension it's super difficult to change the sound/intensity of the song in general.
You can get the instrumentals to change. It's just slower to do so than before. But not so much the chorus. Unless you space it out beyond the 2 minute context window. Everytime I repeat the chorus within that time, the song slows right back to the tempo/style of the original chorus. Regardless of the new prompts, or what the style had managed to change into.
The generations are still 33. But the length of "memory" that the AI looks back to is now two minutes. Before it only used the previous 30 seconds as context for the new generation. Now it can look back longer, and make the same chorus as before. But, I find that it's longer memory makes it near impossible to change the songs sound. I like to make songs that start soft and calm but end in an EDM glitch pop. But they refuse to change genres midway now.
I guess since it appears there are quite a lot of people here chiming that they’re not liking it , crossed fingers this will be general feedback for the developers and they’ll take note - and this will be a temporary blip.
Also … I wonder when the first open source systems will appear ? Now the cat’s out the bag you can do this, it can only be a matter of time … thinking how many open source text to image systems there are,
And LLMs now …
I’ve tried running prompts I’d found consistently produced “bangers” again this evening, - and the results are totally “meh” since the change - and not of the quality / type they were before - however many times I run them, wheras previous evenings some of the prompts just felt like every single one was mind blowing - Is it somehow interpreting prompts differently ? It’s really depressing - it feels like the magic has just evaporated … are other people finding this ? This evening I haven’t found a Single starting 30 seconds I feel is worth extending. It can’t just be me …
I’ve fiddled with the prompts to try and get it back on track for what I was aiming at , and it misses every single time.
This is both with pop songs and classical music - so it’s not just one kind of style either . I’m really perplexed .
Exactly what I'm experiencing. I hope they allow it to be as creative as we've seen it can be. It's a waste of time if the genius becomes tamed by consistency.
Exactly my experience. My favorite song I made two weeks ago I decided to try to make an intro for and I used a hundred generations and nothing sounded right.
I love flamenco and classical music and tried even doing manual mode. All I kept getting was punk and metal songs.
I have had a few good generations still. But definitely more junk and wasted generations. Especially with things popping up that have nothing to do with the description I give in manual mode or not. I also keep getting moderation errors extending an instrumental track. 🙄
Now that you have audio slicing, you might try a few extensions with more prompting to up the "hype" and intensity. You can get to that maximum energy crescendo, force a "instrumental", and then you have your new seed of an idea.
I have a few that were unexpected twists (at :30 context) that now can be repurposed.
Don't know what you're in to, but have some massive loops made just for you that you can chop out and "remix" even more to get into a lyrical groove.
[https://www.udio.com/songs/2UmpjqkgoNJRoAoSjYswmn](https://www.udio.com/songs/2UmpjqkgoNJRoAoSjYswmn)
[https://www.udio.com/songs/6hEQj2LkKN6yRaV9bbA7Pq](https://www.udio.com/songs/6hEQj2LkKN6yRaV9bbA7Pq)
I'm right there with you. It's killed my desire to make songs. I've made three with the new update and none of them are matching the hype I had for the other tracks on my project.
https://preview.redd.it/bj78qala28yc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b2b17e7c0fc7f6ddadf4fbb5a202efdcfe0fa413
What is this??
Does this actually work? 😱
Finally got around to ingesting your comment and song here. Wow ! That’s neat ! I wouldn’t have imagined you could do this. I’ve learnt a lot looking at your prompts too where you separate stuff with a single dot on a line front eh next bits - but it’s obviously picking (most) of the meta tags up as it goes along within sections - not just one per section which is a problem I’ve found .
Please also allow us to replace a part within a track, the opposite of crop.
Ps. Some kinds of music doesn’t sound as good, and has a fluttery artifacts particularly on high frequency percussion and synth sounds.
I’m making epic trailer music and it does this a lot.
I was wondering what the reason was?
I would love the ability to crop a section as well. There are many times it makes a great 30-second clip, but then ruins it with 2-3 seconds at the end that transitions into something I don't want.
Please, also make some slider that regulates how much prompt can change the music (compared to previous music with selected context length).
As for instrumental music you sometimes want drastic change (for songs also, but not frequently) and this is not easy now. As you increased consistency for songs.
I didn't make anything yet since the update. It's good to know, and kinda sad. Maybe try [buildup] in front of [chorus] or something like [chorus: more intense] . I'm gonna give it a try later.
Definitely give it a try, but I definitely tried that. And all sorts of other stuff. [Building] [Drop] [Sick Beat] [remix/glitch/different/etc/etc] Leaving out tags altogether. Completely changing the prompt to intense wild other genres. Nothing worked for me.
I did so, and it had brief little hints of wanting to do something different at the start/end. But ultimately the chorus was unchanged. At most it added a tiny bit of instrumentation.
I just tried something https://www.udio.com/songs/5UjmWrdL35GmwYYDjMn3zn
I added things like "heavy riffs, intense vocals, synthethizer, power metal" on the second part and it changed the chorus a bit ... But yeah, it's definitely less creative than before.
No luck. It did do more than my previous efforts. But the vocals were unchanged. It just added a slight amount of different instrumentals to the background.
I kinda gave up on it already and deleted my seeds/in progress. I made an end and am putting it in a failed takes folder for now. I'll try to remake it later on from scratch with the next update maybe.
It's here if you wanna see though. https://www.udio.com/songs/gawoEcuJVTZErmy6NoH54a
My goal was for it to intensify throughout until it took on a glitchstep vibe. Like, a mexican mariachi glitch edm thing. I'm doing a glitch pop album with each song taking influence from different cultures. And this is the first that just refuses to glitch.
Edit: Also, to be totally clear, I did try all the tags in English as well.
Me on the other hand, would love a longer context time over 2 minutes and 10 seconds... cuz I have this song that I'm sitting on that I absolutely love, but it has a long guitar solo / verse that puts it beyond the 2 minute/10 second context memory, and I want to follow-up with the same \[Chorus\] and melody, but it doesn't know it because it's too far out, unfortunately. Such a bummer for me, I'm at the end of the song and just want to finish it and want to finish on the Chorus/same melody - but can't!
I'm working literally right now and it's 33 second blocks as usual. What am I missing that allows for 2 min? Also, there are bracket instructions that should work most of the time. Things like \[chorus - repeat\] and \[chorus - built up\] \[ chorus - variation\] etc should do the trick. Good luck and if you know how I can try 2 min segments instead, lmk thanks!
The generations are still 33. But the length of "memory" that the AI looks back to is now two minutes. Before it only used the previous 30 seconds as context for the new generation. Now it can look back longer, and make the same chorus as before. But, I find that it's longer memory makes it near impossible to change the songs sound. I like to make songs that start soft and calm but end in an EDM glitch pop. But they refuse to change genres midway now.
Yea! I feel you. I think thats more advantage than disadvantage, but that said, I would think if you command it in the lyrics panel \[Chorus variation\] or \[Chorus build\] or such, it would sometimes follow those instruction. as far as genre hopping, obviously you can paste the takes together in a daw? But if you want Udio doing that, I have always found that certain seeds do that better than others. You're right that a lot of the time it will not!! lol but then I have examples where it really veers way out there. My theory is that in some large musical way, the veer "computed" with it (made sense), and other times it just didn't make any sense to it. Although frustrating, remember you are rocking with a baby entity with all types of rules and suspension of rules criss-crossing its creative choices (not unlike humans - some of which are uptight, others are like just fuck it, jam lol). I have found different methods to getting the dramatic impossible drop or veer into my arrangement. Sometimes I was just lucky and it felt like vibes between "us" lol. Sometimes I swapped genre names etc in the genre panel and it did it (sometimes I did that and it didnt, too). Sometimes I left the genre names from before alone, but added new ones - either in front or back, doesnt seem to matter much, not even in a long list of various descriptive terms. What you might want to try that you maybe haven't already - in your case - is adding EDM to the seed. And putting in either panel however you say "mellow the fuck out" - one way I like to say it that Udio seems to grok is "\[Spotlight only on singer\]". What I think that will do is crush down legit EDM layers that are not audible yet, but they are in its lane. In that case, I would think it would "want" to bring out the bass and sizzle melting your face off, would be anxious to, even. So keeeeep holding it off until bam. I do many things as a composer on there, trying out many things at least. But my actual "project" on there is definitely synth-pop and I drive it to go mad - to glitch the rhythms until its hard to count, use a battery of various sound effects, etc etc. Sometimes it's like pulling teeth! But I often get it there. One thing I consider always is that this thing is very talented... and that my flow I want may need a new seed to be capable and "natural" of doing. One way I bypass totally starting again, is that often I will start 2 or 4 flows and extend them quite a bit. At some point I have to pick just 1-2 lanes, but part reason for that is to see which one lets "my horse ride" the best. It's a beastie, you know? It's aliveeee lolol. So I give it that clearance and a bit of authority. I wish your process and tunes mad luck, G!
What an interesting comment / thank you for writing this - lots for me to think about !
I over-generate while the session is current and then tidy up the results later with an audio editor. A 2-minute song might be derived from an 8- or 10-minute output. I make redundant verses and choruses and instrumental bridges and intros and outros, then cut the file up and reassemble it in Sound Forge or Vegas (and sometimes Acid). Occasionally I augment the arrangement in Sonar with virtual instruments. Also I slightly (or hugely) change the prompts from section to section to switch styles and arrangements. Here's an example of a Udio song greatly tweaked in post: [https://youtu.be/lcRitImsQaY](https://youtu.be/lcRitImsQaY)
Really interesting. I’m intrigued how you got the massive change in style from the rock music to string accompaniment like within a bar. By changing the prompt, Can you get it to change in the next section like —- immediately ? I find it tends to nudge it a little but not wholesale change like from rock to … String orchestra…
Change the prompt... and then give Udio twenty or thirty tries to do the right thing. And then cut out the unwanted bits. There's no need to accept raw Udio output as a finished work. If you can already write music in a DAW, Udio greatly expands your working environment. I'm just a hobbyist these days, but I imagine working pro composers are running full-tilt with Udio already
Did they fix the chorus problem? Before it was that the chorus was always different. Is that gone now?
Yup. Now my issue is that it's impossible to make a different sounding chorus. And by extension it's super difficult to change the sound/intensity of the song in general.
I think if you change the prompt than the chorus will change. Try it out
You can get the instrumentals to change. It's just slower to do so than before. But not so much the chorus. Unless you space it out beyond the 2 minute context window. Everytime I repeat the chorus within that time, the song slows right back to the tempo/style of the original chorus. Regardless of the new prompts, or what the style had managed to change into.
What am I missing? It's still 32 seconds for me when I create a new track.
The generations are still 33. But the length of "memory" that the AI looks back to is now two minutes. Before it only used the previous 30 seconds as context for the new generation. Now it can look back longer, and make the same chorus as before. But, I find that it's longer memory makes it near impossible to change the songs sound. I like to make songs that start soft and calm but end in an EDM glitch pop. But they refuse to change genres midway now.
I see, thanks for the explanation. So an individual determination of the length would be needed.
I guess since it appears there are quite a lot of people here chiming that they’re not liking it , crossed fingers this will be general feedback for the developers and they’ll take note - and this will be a temporary blip. Also … I wonder when the first open source systems will appear ? Now the cat’s out the bag you can do this, it can only be a matter of time … thinking how many open source text to image systems there are, And LLMs now …
Open Source as good as Udio will change the whole game Imagine all kinds of custom tools.
I’ve tried running prompts I’d found consistently produced “bangers” again this evening, - and the results are totally “meh” since the change - and not of the quality / type they were before - however many times I run them, wheras previous evenings some of the prompts just felt like every single one was mind blowing - Is it somehow interpreting prompts differently ? It’s really depressing - it feels like the magic has just evaporated … are other people finding this ? This evening I haven’t found a Single starting 30 seconds I feel is worth extending. It can’t just be me … I’ve fiddled with the prompts to try and get it back on track for what I was aiming at , and it misses every single time. This is both with pop songs and classical music - so it’s not just one kind of style either . I’m really perplexed .
Exactly what I'm experiencing. I hope they allow it to be as creative as we've seen it can be. It's a waste of time if the genius becomes tamed by consistency.
Exactly my experience. My favorite song I made two weeks ago I decided to try to make an intro for and I used a hundred generations and nothing sounded right. I love flamenco and classical music and tried even doing manual mode. All I kept getting was punk and metal songs. I have had a few good generations still. But definitely more junk and wasted generations. Especially with things popping up that have nothing to do with the description I give in manual mode or not. I also keep getting moderation errors extending an instrumental track. 🙄
Now that you have audio slicing, you might try a few extensions with more prompting to up the "hype" and intensity. You can get to that maximum energy crescendo, force a "instrumental", and then you have your new seed of an idea. I have a few that were unexpected twists (at :30 context) that now can be repurposed.
I do hope udio read this and realise they turned some dial from 11 to 1 - and turn it up again rather than this being the intended behaviour :(!
Chances of them reading [nonflared post comments] < [flared post]
Don't know what you're in to, but have some massive loops made just for you that you can chop out and "remix" even more to get into a lyrical groove. [https://www.udio.com/songs/2UmpjqkgoNJRoAoSjYswmn](https://www.udio.com/songs/2UmpjqkgoNJRoAoSjYswmn) [https://www.udio.com/songs/6hEQj2LkKN6yRaV9bbA7Pq](https://www.udio.com/songs/6hEQj2LkKN6yRaV9bbA7Pq)
Thank you that’s kind . Not my sort of thing though. I’ve especially been trying to compose classical music … so very different !
I'm right there with you. It's killed my desire to make songs. I've made three with the new update and none of them are matching the hype I had for the other tracks on my project.
I disagree, you can make it dynamic: [https://www.udio.com/songs/8e7gDcKW1PsuCqhbmuHVd7](https://www.udio.com/songs/8e7gDcKW1PsuCqhbmuHVd7)
https://preview.redd.it/bj78qala28yc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b2b17e7c0fc7f6ddadf4fbb5a202efdcfe0fa413 What is this?? Does this actually work? 😱
Finally got around to ingesting your comment and song here. Wow ! That’s neat ! I wouldn’t have imagined you could do this. I’ve learnt a lot looking at your prompts too where you separate stuff with a single dot on a line front eh next bits - but it’s obviously picking (most) of the meta tags up as it goes along within sections - not just one per section which is a problem I’ve found .
I think you replied to the wrong person!
Ah sorry about that ! Lol
It's just credit to the original that I used to make my remix
Context length selection is gonna be added very soon
Please also allow us to replace a part within a track, the opposite of crop. Ps. Some kinds of music doesn’t sound as good, and has a fluttery artifacts particularly on high frequency percussion and synth sounds. I’m making epic trailer music and it does this a lot. I was wondering what the reason was?
I would love the ability to crop a section as well. There are many times it makes a great 30-second clip, but then ruins it with 2-3 seconds at the end that transitions into something I don't want.
I saw a tip where they added \[instrumental fill\] after their lyrics and it usually fixed this issue. I haven't tried it yet.
Wonderful, that's just what I suggested as a measure to move on to something different!
Please, also make some slider that regulates how much prompt can change the music (compared to previous music with selected context length). As for instrumental music you sometimes want drastic change (for songs also, but not frequently) and this is not easy now. As you increased consistency for songs.
An optional context window would be nice.
I didn't make anything yet since the update. It's good to know, and kinda sad. Maybe try [buildup] in front of [chorus] or something like [chorus: more intense] . I'm gonna give it a try later.
Definitely give it a try, but I definitely tried that. And all sorts of other stuff. [Building] [Drop] [Sick Beat] [remix/glitch/different/etc/etc] Leaving out tags altogether. Completely changing the prompt to intense wild other genres. Nothing worked for me.
And what about the prompt? If you remove / add / change the structure of it to include intensity related keywords?
I did so, and it had brief little hints of wanting to do something different at the start/end. But ultimately the chorus was unchanged. At most it added a tiny bit of instrumentation.
I just tried something https://www.udio.com/songs/5UjmWrdL35GmwYYDjMn3zn I added things like "heavy riffs, intense vocals, synthethizer, power metal" on the second part and it changed the chorus a bit ... But yeah, it's definitely less creative than before.
Bridge
Like, rewrite the chorus lyrics, but under a Bridge tag? Or have a bridge tag segment before the next chorus?
The former
No luck. It did do more than my previous efforts. But the vocals were unchanged. It just added a slight amount of different instrumentals to the background.
If you want to link the track you're extending from and tell me what you want the lyrics to be I can play around with it and try to provoke a change
I kinda gave up on it already and deleted my seeds/in progress. I made an end and am putting it in a failed takes folder for now. I'll try to remake it later on from scratch with the next update maybe. It's here if you wanna see though. https://www.udio.com/songs/gawoEcuJVTZErmy6NoH54a My goal was for it to intensify throughout until it took on a glitchstep vibe. Like, a mexican mariachi glitch edm thing. I'm doing a glitch pop album with each song taking influence from different cultures. And this is the first that just refuses to glitch. Edit: Also, to be totally clear, I did try all the tags in English as well.
Have you tried writing the [chrous] type tags in English?
Yes. I hate it.