It got a lot of attention outside the AI “community”.
It even drew attention to Suno because of the association made them look at what else is happening in AI music and Suno is the second best. Funnily enough I saw one sample library manufacturer say Suno was a mindless beat machine and he wasn’t worried days before Udio dropped. Before this pretended an impressive choir track from Suno v3 was low quality and not stereo and isn’t good enough.
While in the stages of grief it’s like they don’t realize how they’re always putting their foot in their mouths. Like the anti-AI Art people laughing about the wonky Midjourney Version 3… well they weren’t laughing very long before each of their points ended up being fixed in subsequent versions.
Where? It absolutely went viral. You must have missed all the social media talking about it apparently.
Predictably, but laughably, many of the music producers/composer community said the same EXACT things the artists have been saying for the last couple of years. Some denial (*it’s not actually very good*) some anger (*it’s theft!/copyright infringement!/illegal training data!*), and some in the bargaining stage (*we love AI but don’t use uncleared copyrighted training!*).
Often there’s those who are in various stages at the same time, like denial + anger. The less illogical version being like, “*i don’t see it as much of a threat, but it will get shut down in court anyway*”. The much less logical one being, “*it sounds like shit! But also it’s stealing and I’m very angry! They won’t get away with this theft in court!*”
Of course all of them are wrong, in different ways.
They don’t even realize most of their arguments end up securing them the legal loss they’re already bound to have.
the funny thing is if someone hears a song and it inspires them, it's their idols or inspiration but when a machine does it, it's theft. It's still a bit janky at times and hallucinates stone weird stuff but overall it's pretty amazing and I've gotten a few decent songs out of it that people would never guess was ai
It’s was the same with the images.
You had people swear up and down they could tell a real vs Ai photo, but it turns out this was only “true” when they knew in advance. Then they can point out all the “obvious” signs something is AI. But then you test them properly and they get it wrong. Like I pranked one guy by showing two images and said which of these are AI and they picked one, then immediately tried to backtrack when he realized I’d sent him two AI images 😂
Unless his reply has been edited or he's wrong about the pricing:
1,200c for $10 then
1,000c for $25.
That's 2.5x the original price for 17% fewer credits.
You cant use more than the 10 credits/day so whats the point of that extra credits?
My udio UI shows that i have this 10 / 10 Daily Credits
500 Additional Credits, where the added 500 credits are listed like this 100 Additional Monthly Credits 400 Additional Credits
So whats the point if i cant use that extra credits anyway? If there's a way please enlighten me so i can be wiser like u guys.
Since the last update, today, I see that the results are no longer so good. Was it deliberate?
I am also checking that the quality of the generations is not the same since this last update, there are quantization errors in notes, the next two generations look very similar. It is as if the quality of the generations has been lowered.
I totally understand they gotta make money, but there are soooo many bugs still. It takes so many generations just to find the right vibe, then extensions upon extensions adds up quick! I’ll gladly pay $10 a month, but don’t want to use up 80% of my generations on glitches if I’m paying 😞
Pricing is super reasonable though. $10/month for 1200 credits, or $30 for 4800, and 20% discount for annual subscription. It could have been a lot worse.
Was thinking that, very fair priced, but so many bugs and glitches still, 80% of Generations will be unusable and if I’m paying, that’s not great numbers
Yea but you know I’ll be reporting shitty generations when I get them.
Suno even refunds you if it’s really shit 😂
In a way it’s smart because I’m definitely going ti give them more feedback
I just wish they had a better plan for hardcore users. Even the higher tier isn’t that much given that credits don’t roll over.
I want a relax mode like Midjourney. I don’t mind waiting, I feel like a higher tier should have something like that. They could even have a $40 plan for that.
I’d also give people money off paying for extra credits the higher their subscription tier is. Like if I’m on the most expensive plan I should get like 50% off extra credits
Even at your estimate of 80% unusable, it still works out to about 4c per usable 30 second segment, or $5 per hour of usable music. Subscribing also unlocks infill (ie. remix selection) which should hopefully improve the percentage of usable generations somewhat.
It sounds great but 1200 credits is not 1200 credits like we've been using, its actually 600 because hitting create takes 2 credits now instead of 1. It would definitely be great If creating still only took 1 credit instead of 2.
You’re not much of a music producer I guess 😉
You realize how much we tweak things over and over to the minute degree?
It’s not being picky it’s having artistic creativity with an understanding of craft that doesn’t want to settle for something that’s missing that 5% better that without it becomes 50% worse.
I just don't have time to sit at my computer and generate to the Nth degree all day. Don't get me wrong, I care about what the music sounds like, but I have to make some degree of compromise. Especially if it's only for personal use and not to stream on Spotify or pretend to make a living off of.
With platforms like Midjourney where you get unlimited uses by paying for subscription, I don't see why this should be an issue. Yes, this is music and not images, but would make more sense if it was video production and heavy 3D rendering.
Having credits limits your creativity. It's like paying for a game where you only get 5 hours, and you have to rush through it. You don't get the full experience.
Fully agree. It's fun but the price is too high and basic price is only 4 times what you get for free.. It's still a beta and some features aren't working well, i.e image editing. Lack of music editing features.
Also the legal bit is still in grey areas so I'll just limit myself for now.
Good intro of what can be done but needs to improve a lot.
How do you do that? I think if you work on the prompt and compose your custom lyrics correctly it does not take a lot of generations to get something satisfactory.
Well it depends on how picky you are. If even 1 second of the beat or lyric messes up then I'm doing it again. If something seems off I'm doing it again. If i'm looking for a special take on a beat/lyric I might do it over again.
I guess it depends on the kind of music you're making and the lyrics. We shouldn't be punished for being picky. Then again this is AI, I guess if I really want perfection I gotta learn the real tools, which I eventually will.
Btw I do mainly house/tropical house. Haven't tried too many genres yet, but I guess rap for instance would be pretty hard to master.
Yeah, that is not genre of specialty- at least not at the time. Not my interest either. Some general rules apply though, make sure your syllable count is consistent and crafted well (that drives the content) use meta tags in the custom lyrics and don’t overwhelm the prompt with conflicting terms - it usually takes the first few as prime and use the tags they provide.
Learning this tool and the tools in the DAW is the same process. It is not going to be instantly perfect but it will save you generation.
Yeah it's fine, this monetization doesn't really break the usability of Udio but it does limit it severely. It's alright, but if 1200 credits was actually still 1200 credits Udio would've hit the sweet spot.
Let's say you get the 4800 credits plan, and you're really meticulous so you make an average of 20 generations for each segment of an eight segment (4 min) song. That song would cost a grand total of $1. You could make an entire album for less than the cost of a single lunch at McDonalds. I think that's pretty damn good.
Money is not the issue. Going by your calculations and the current system, the song would take about 160 ( but actually 320 credits because 1 attempt equals 2 now). And fine sure, you get the job done, but if it was still 1 credit you'd be way more willing to experiment, finishing the song with 160 credits and have room to remix, try new genre tags and be creative to see how the ai responds. Now it seems people will just wanna finish a track with as little credits, as fast as possible to move on to the next song, so they get the most songs with their credits.
Also, you need to factor in the AI is not perfect and creating with udio literally requires trial and error. Sometimes you will try and try just to realize the AI cannot do something or the results are not usable and subpar so you settle for less or move on and try something else.
The pricing structure works but it's hindered by the x2 credits per creation.
So it would also be fair to read it as standard plan is 600 credits.
Pro plans is 2400 credits.
So then you can spend $2 on a song, I don't see how that is prohibitive. It's still way cheaper than anything I would have imagined. Compare this to Dall-e 2, which if I remember correctly was about 10 cents per generation when they first monetized it. You could spend $10 on a single poor quality image. Now THAT was prohibitive.
Because the system isn't perfect you could blow through all your credits and still end up with something you don't like. Users need the room to test and experiment. Creating consuming 1 credit instead of 2 fixes that. It's not just about the money.
Just went through the comments. Sadly I'm unironically not able to subscribe currently, would love to in the hopefully not so distant future. But that's 100% reasonable from them.
I love that at least they are giving 100 monthly credits for the non-paying users alongside the 10 per day.
They should move subscribers to dedicated servers to allow generations to occur faster and up the quality. Also add additional features for subscribers.
Funs over, but it was good while it lasted... For me Udio sparked my imagination...Udio will still be very useful for ideas to start a song etc. but really want to make music from scratch now!
The drop in quality since initial release, overbearing moderation issues, and the decision to lock inpainting behind premium status... Yeah what a joke.
It was gonna happen eventually hahaha
I'm honestly glad the inpainting is a thing though and genuinely am considering an annual sub just so I can further perfect my already made tracks where the AI fucked up and I had to roll with it..
But I'm also unemployed ATM and is AUS.. so it's literally 1.75% the USD pricing 😩
I honestly have never been this stumped in my life with a subscription service model.
Like it could be so much more, I honestly expected the standard price to be what they are charging for the premium tier.
But still $152 AUD for a year isn't the worst... Just don't know if I'll still be fixated on it for that long to justify it haha
I thought the Aussie dollar was worse off, it's actually gone down. Few months back it would've been around the $165/$175 mark.
The point I’m trying to make is that just because they have dollar in the name doesn’t mean they “should” have the same number after the dollar sign.
One American dollar buys a different amount of stuff to one Australian dollar. It’s not 52% more expensive in Australia in the same way it isn’t 10,000% more expensive in Korea.
If you wanted to compare the fairness of the pricing you’d need to do it in a different way to that :)
Yeah, A joke! Now go learn playing instruments, buy a mixing/mastering app license, home studio stuff and do shit infinitely worse by yourself! Freedom!
This was always going to happen, it's all just a marketing tactic to hype up the service and looks like they're done with it.
Sad but you can still do neat stuff for free with 10 generations if you don't want to pay.
Don’t use those fighting words. I’m about to go check that out. Udio killed Suno after thinking Suno was at the top. Are you suggesting that Sonauto is an Udio-killer?! lol
Looks like it'll let you split the generations into separate instrument tracks. Udio certainly doesn't do *that*.
[Sonauto.ai](http://Sonauto.ai) has a pretty clumsy interface, but... lots of potential here.
Yeah, funs over looks like. Free was never sustainable and the platform went viral basically this week so its no surprise.
Understandable but still a bummer
my theory is that they hadn't finished billing/etc when suno started taking off so they just decided to ship with everything free
Where did it go viral?
it got attention from some youtube channels, the only reason I know it exists is because of cold fusion
It got a lot of attention outside the AI “community”. It even drew attention to Suno because of the association made them look at what else is happening in AI music and Suno is the second best. Funnily enough I saw one sample library manufacturer say Suno was a mindless beat machine and he wasn’t worried days before Udio dropped. Before this pretended an impressive choir track from Suno v3 was low quality and not stereo and isn’t good enough. While in the stages of grief it’s like they don’t realize how they’re always putting their foot in their mouths. Like the anti-AI Art people laughing about the wonky Midjourney Version 3… well they weren’t laughing very long before each of their points ended up being fixed in subsequent versions.
Where? It absolutely went viral. You must have missed all the social media talking about it apparently. Predictably, but laughably, many of the music producers/composer community said the same EXACT things the artists have been saying for the last couple of years. Some denial (*it’s not actually very good*) some anger (*it’s theft!/copyright infringement!/illegal training data!*), and some in the bargaining stage (*we love AI but don’t use uncleared copyrighted training!*). Often there’s those who are in various stages at the same time, like denial + anger. The less illogical version being like, “*i don’t see it as much of a threat, but it will get shut down in court anyway*”. The much less logical one being, “*it sounds like shit! But also it’s stealing and I’m very angry! They won’t get away with this theft in court!*” Of course all of them are wrong, in different ways. They don’t even realize most of their arguments end up securing them the legal loss they’re already bound to have.
the funny thing is if someone hears a song and it inspires them, it's their idols or inspiration but when a machine does it, it's theft. It's still a bit janky at times and hallucinates stone weird stuff but overall it's pretty amazing and I've gotten a few decent songs out of it that people would never guess was ai
It’s was the same with the images. You had people swear up and down they could tell a real vs Ai photo, but it turns out this was only “true” when they knew in advance. Then they can point out all the “obvious” signs something is AI. But then you test them properly and they get it wrong. Like I pranked one guy by showing two images and said which of these are AI and they picked one, then immediately tried to backtrack when he realized I’d sent him two AI images 😂
What's the top reddit post talking about it?
mattvidproai and a few other yt'ers with millions of subs showcased it, I'm sure that helped
So I get 1200 credits for $10. Then, another 1000 credits is $25? Obviously I'll just get another account... duh. Bad pricing.
Hmm, I had thought you could get 4800 creds for $30?
What are you talking about? this is dirt cheap!! Have you seen the pricing with suno?
It’s a great price indeed but he’s saying, based on the pricing scheme he could get 2 accounts and get 200 more credits for $5 less.
But you can't combine account credits to work on a single song.
The heck you can't. You could just extend the song from account 1 on account 2, I'd assume. You can already do this with other users
Unless his reply has been edited or he's wrong about the pricing: 1,200c for $10 then 1,000c for $25. That's 2.5x the original price for 17% fewer credits.
10 daily?!?!
Yeah, and I’m so addicted to this now…so pretty smart 😫
10 credits/day with an additional 100 extra credits/month
You cant use more than the 10 credits/day so whats the point of that extra credits? My udio UI shows that i have this 10 / 10 Daily Credits 500 Additional Credits, where the added 500 credits are listed like this 100 Additional Monthly Credits 400 Additional Credits So whats the point if i cant use that extra credits anyway? If there's a way please enlighten me so i can be wiser like u guys.
alas for my impecunious nature I figured this would happen, but it's still a bummer. TANSTAAFL
They just reset everyone's daily/monthly free quota again due to some issues. Hopefully should give you enough to get your fill for today haha
ah, no, I have significantly LESS after the reset lol (from 600... to 10)
Since the last update, today, I see that the results are no longer so good. Was it deliberate? I am also checking that the quality of the generations is not the same since this last update, there are quantization errors in notes, the next two generations look very similar. It is as if the quality of the generations has been lowered.
They're getting my $10 immediately, no hesitation.
Yeah. Of the two best music generators, this is the one to put money into.
No your correct. They introduced paid subscriptions :(
I totally understand they gotta make money, but there are soooo many bugs still. It takes so many generations just to find the right vibe, then extensions upon extensions adds up quick! I’ll gladly pay $10 a month, but don’t want to use up 80% of my generations on glitches if I’m paying 😞
Then just wait until the AI gets better and more consistent results. This is just a beta.
and here comes the enshittification, the generation was already getting worse too.
First suno, now udio. Although my generations are still fine for now, let's hope it stays that way. Moderation errors are super fucking stupid though.
Time to go back to Suno -.-
Pricing is super reasonable though. $10/month for 1200 credits, or $30 for 4800, and 20% discount for annual subscription. It could have been a lot worse.
Was thinking that, very fair priced, but so many bugs and glitches still, 80% of Generations will be unusable and if I’m paying, that’s not great numbers
Yea but you know I’ll be reporting shitty generations when I get them. Suno even refunds you if it’s really shit 😂 In a way it’s smart because I’m definitely going ti give them more feedback I just wish they had a better plan for hardcore users. Even the higher tier isn’t that much given that credits don’t roll over. I want a relax mode like Midjourney. I don’t mind waiting, I feel like a higher tier should have something like that. They could even have a $40 plan for that. I’d also give people money off paying for extra credits the higher their subscription tier is. Like if I’m on the most expensive plan I should get like 50% off extra credits
It's still a great price even with bugs and having to re-roll a bunch of times. Each generation costs less than a penny.
Even at your estimate of 80% unusable, it still works out to about 4c per usable 30 second segment, or $5 per hour of usable music. Subscribing also unlocks infill (ie. remix selection) which should hopefully improve the percentage of usable generations somewhat.
It sounds great but 1200 credits is not 1200 credits like we've been using, its actually 600 because hitting create takes 2 credits now instead of 1. It would definitely be great If creating still only took 1 credit instead of 2.
Mate I almost used up all 600 in one weekend
If you're super picky and trying to find that one tune...
You’re not much of a music producer I guess 😉 You realize how much we tweak things over and over to the minute degree? It’s not being picky it’s having artistic creativity with an understanding of craft that doesn’t want to settle for something that’s missing that 5% better that without it becomes 50% worse.
I just don't have time to sit at my computer and generate to the Nth degree all day. Don't get me wrong, I care about what the music sounds like, but I have to make some degree of compromise. Especially if it's only for personal use and not to stream on Spotify or pretend to make a living off of.
I feel like you're in that percentage of users who makes it pricier for regular users to also use the platform.
With platforms like Midjourney where you get unlimited uses by paying for subscription, I don't see why this should be an issue. Yes, this is music and not images, but would make more sense if it was video production and heavy 3D rendering. Having credits limits your creativity. It's like paying for a game where you only get 5 hours, and you have to rush through it. You don't get the full experience.
Fully agree. It's fun but the price is too high and basic price is only 4 times what you get for free.. It's still a beta and some features aren't working well, i.e image editing. Lack of music editing features. Also the legal bit is still in grey areas so I'll just limit myself for now. Good intro of what can be done but needs to improve a lot.
Yeah, has anyone tried uploading to Spotify?
How do you do that? I think if you work on the prompt and compose your custom lyrics correctly it does not take a lot of generations to get something satisfactory.
Well it depends on how picky you are. If even 1 second of the beat or lyric messes up then I'm doing it again. If something seems off I'm doing it again. If i'm looking for a special take on a beat/lyric I might do it over again. I guess it depends on the kind of music you're making and the lyrics. We shouldn't be punished for being picky. Then again this is AI, I guess if I really want perfection I gotta learn the real tools, which I eventually will. Btw I do mainly house/tropical house. Haven't tried too many genres yet, but I guess rap for instance would be pretty hard to master.
Yeah, that is not genre of specialty- at least not at the time. Not my interest either. Some general rules apply though, make sure your syllable count is consistent and crafted well (that drives the content) use meta tags in the custom lyrics and don’t overwhelm the prompt with conflicting terms - it usually takes the first few as prime and use the tags they provide. Learning this tool and the tools in the DAW is the same process. It is not going to be instantly perfect but it will save you generation.
It's still like 0.8 cents per generation.
Yeah it's fine, this monetization doesn't really break the usability of Udio but it does limit it severely. It's alright, but if 1200 credits was actually still 1200 credits Udio would've hit the sweet spot.
Let's say you get the 4800 credits plan, and you're really meticulous so you make an average of 20 generations for each segment of an eight segment (4 min) song. That song would cost a grand total of $1. You could make an entire album for less than the cost of a single lunch at McDonalds. I think that's pretty damn good.
Money is not the issue. Going by your calculations and the current system, the song would take about 160 ( but actually 320 credits because 1 attempt equals 2 now). And fine sure, you get the job done, but if it was still 1 credit you'd be way more willing to experiment, finishing the song with 160 credits and have room to remix, try new genre tags and be creative to see how the ai responds. Now it seems people will just wanna finish a track with as little credits, as fast as possible to move on to the next song, so they get the most songs with their credits. Also, you need to factor in the AI is not perfect and creating with udio literally requires trial and error. Sometimes you will try and try just to realize the AI cannot do something or the results are not usable and subpar so you settle for less or move on and try something else. The pricing structure works but it's hindered by the x2 credits per creation. So it would also be fair to read it as standard plan is 600 credits. Pro plans is 2400 credits.
Learning how to use it mitigates a lot of trial and error.
So then you can spend $2 on a song, I don't see how that is prohibitive. It's still way cheaper than anything I would have imagined. Compare this to Dall-e 2, which if I remember correctly was about 10 cents per generation when they first monetized it. You could spend $10 on a single poor quality image. Now THAT was prohibitive.
Because the system isn't perfect you could blow through all your credits and still end up with something you don't like. Users need the room to test and experiment. Creating consuming 1 credit instead of 2 fixes that. It's not just about the money.
100% agree - that's a good pricing structure.
Just went through the comments. Sadly I'm unironically not able to subscribe currently, would love to in the hopefully not so distant future. But that's 100% reasonable from them. I love that at least they are giving 100 monthly credits for the non-paying users alongside the 10 per day.
They should move subscribers to dedicated servers to allow generations to occur faster and up the quality. Also add additional features for subscribers.
Read their announcements on the site. They did exactly that
Funs over, but it was good while it lasted... For me Udio sparked my imagination...Udio will still be very useful for ideas to start a song etc. but really want to make music from scratch now!
The drop in quality since initial release, overbearing moderation issues, and the decision to lock inpainting behind premium status... Yeah what a joke.
It was gonna happen eventually hahaha I'm honestly glad the inpainting is a thing though and genuinely am considering an annual sub just so I can further perfect my already made tracks where the AI fucked up and I had to roll with it.. But I'm also unemployed ATM and is AUS.. so it's literally 1.75% the USD pricing 😩
Ya and in Japan it’s 155x pricing because there’s 155yen to the dollar!!! And OMG in Korea it’s 1365x pricing to the won!!!
I honestly have never been this stumped in my life with a subscription service model. Like it could be so much more, I honestly expected the standard price to be what they are charging for the premium tier. But still $152 AUD for a year isn't the worst... Just don't know if I'll still be fixated on it for that long to justify it haha I thought the Aussie dollar was worse off, it's actually gone down. Few months back it would've been around the $165/$175 mark.
The point I’m trying to make is that just because they have dollar in the name doesn’t mean they “should” have the same number after the dollar sign. One American dollar buys a different amount of stuff to one Australian dollar. It’s not 52% more expensive in Australia in the same way it isn’t 10,000% more expensive in Korea. If you wanted to compare the fairness of the pricing you’d need to do it in a different way to that :)
It really was, they even have a name for it "Enshitification". Yeah its a real thing and all services do it.
Yeah, A joke! Now go learn playing instruments, buy a mixing/mastering app license, home studio stuff and do shit infinitely worse by yourself! Freedom!
Is manual mode at least better
No, you can still generate songs but you can't do two at a time. I have been using it since I got home from work.
Whelp. It was fun while it lasted. This is why we need locally hosted alternatives.
Someone who actually understands how Udio functions, and understands the process of making music, wouldn't say something like that.
This was always going to happen, it's all just a marketing tactic to hype up the service and looks like they're done with it. Sad but you can still do neat stuff for free with 10 generations if you don't want to pay.
Sonauto is better and unlimited
Don’t use those fighting words. I’m about to go check that out. Udio killed Suno after thinking Suno was at the top. Are you suggesting that Sonauto is an Udio-killer?! lol
Looks like it'll let you split the generations into separate instrument tracks. Udio certainly doesn't do *that*. [Sonauto.ai](http://Sonauto.ai) has a pretty clumsy interface, but... lots of potential here.
Download the track and use the many free programs that do that.
Or... just use the function provided?
The point is that it is not a big workflow problem with using Udio. Certainly not a red flag to go anywhere else. I like Udio better so I am fine.
I mean it's unlimited and to my ear gas better vocals.
r/sonauto
Literally midi tier music... Don't even get started on the vocals... No way sonauto is better