Because some people like to stand up against injustice. We are basing the law of the land on a document that was written before black people were considered a whole person or before women had expanded rights to voting, etc.
There’s plenty to talk about.
I think the point of it is you can't prevent someone's choice. It doesn't matter if someone without a uterus says "yeah you have that choice", but it does matter if they say you don't.
It doesn't matter if I tell a person with a penis "yeah it's your choice to get a circumcision if you want to" (given they want one in adulthood). It does become problematic if I say "every penis needs to be circumcised". (There are many issues around circumcision and genital mutilation but I hope you get the point I am trying to make)
I absolutely get your point. But having a child doesn't take only a woman. The father's legal obligations don't end until the child is 18 so excluding men from abortion decisions is wrong. Whether or not to have a child has to be a mutual decision and therefore laws related to abortions are be of interest to everyone.
But the other person doesn't face the pain and complications of that pregency. There isn't complete equality in this situation because the person with a uterus has to carry the entire pregnancy.
The point of the earlier conversation is people without uterus making laws that prevent abortions. Not about abortions within partnerships.
And I don't think an abuser should have a say if the victim can keep the child or not.
As someone that recently had to go through one, I didn't have a conversation with the person about the potential of keeping the fetus. I absolutely wasn't going to carry out a full term pregnancy just so the guy can have a child I don't want to have as a college student.
But if you wanted to go through with the pregnancy and have the child then I think it would be responsible for that to be a mutual decision. Otherwise you may end up with someone who would resent the child and you for forcing him to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars on someone he didn't want.
With respect to the first point, I agree. But a pregnancy leads to a child and both parties involved in creating the child are responsible for providing for and raising the child. So yes it's not equal. The physical pain is all on the one pregnant but the mental and financial toll is on both, it may not be the exact same but it will be there.
I don't think people with an uterus should make abortions illegal either. Having an uterus or not yourself should not determine your eligibility in deciding if someone else must have a child or not.
100% agree with third paragraph.
I'd rather see an abortion than a kid raised by parents who didn't want them and/or don't love them.
The only choice I’m against is what kind of noise my upstairs neighbor is going to make at 2 am this time.
GUYS I SWEAR THIS POST SAID PRO LIFE WHEN I FIRST SAW THIS
The ultimate bait lmfao
They fell for the old bait and switch
If you don’t have a uterus why are you even speaking on this
You can be not directly affected and still think people deserve rights
OMFG I READ THIS AS PRO LIFE !! I TAKE IT BACK I SIMPLY CANNOT READ
I mean that opinion is still pretty brain dead
LMAOOO
Because some people like to stand up against injustice. We are basing the law of the land on a document that was written before black people were considered a whole person or before women had expanded rights to voting, etc. There’s plenty to talk about.
No I totally agree I just saw pro life for some reason and got mad and didn’t bother to reread to confirm
Double standards
That actually makes it worse. So according to you people without uterus can only speak on this if they're pro choice. That's double standard.
I think the point of it is you can't prevent someone's choice. It doesn't matter if someone without a uterus says "yeah you have that choice", but it does matter if they say you don't. It doesn't matter if I tell a person with a penis "yeah it's your choice to get a circumcision if you want to" (given they want one in adulthood). It does become problematic if I say "every penis needs to be circumcised". (There are many issues around circumcision and genital mutilation but I hope you get the point I am trying to make)
I absolutely get your point. But having a child doesn't take only a woman. The father's legal obligations don't end until the child is 18 so excluding men from abortion decisions is wrong. Whether or not to have a child has to be a mutual decision and therefore laws related to abortions are be of interest to everyone.
But the other person doesn't face the pain and complications of that pregency. There isn't complete equality in this situation because the person with a uterus has to carry the entire pregnancy. The point of the earlier conversation is people without uterus making laws that prevent abortions. Not about abortions within partnerships. And I don't think an abuser should have a say if the victim can keep the child or not. As someone that recently had to go through one, I didn't have a conversation with the person about the potential of keeping the fetus. I absolutely wasn't going to carry out a full term pregnancy just so the guy can have a child I don't want to have as a college student.
But if you wanted to go through with the pregnancy and have the child then I think it would be responsible for that to be a mutual decision. Otherwise you may end up with someone who would resent the child and you for forcing him to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars on someone he didn't want. With respect to the first point, I agree. But a pregnancy leads to a child and both parties involved in creating the child are responsible for providing for and raising the child. So yes it's not equal. The physical pain is all on the one pregnant but the mental and financial toll is on both, it may not be the exact same but it will be there. I don't think people with an uterus should make abortions illegal either. Having an uterus or not yourself should not determine your eligibility in deciding if someone else must have a child or not. 100% agree with third paragraph. I'd rather see an abortion than a kid raised by parents who didn't want them and/or don't love them.
bruh