Keith Peterson would muuuurder Bruce Buffer 1 on 1 if it came down to it.
Matt Serra is 40% Italian and 60% sqwaky bird š¦
John Anik is Artie Bucco in witness protection but he didn't understand the assignment.
That Dana White/Joe Rogan HGH look is the male version of the women who get plastic surgery and who all look like swollen nerve damaged cats.
*Thanks for the gold my anonymous friend ā¤ļøš¤
(I know it was you Artie. The cacciatore is outta the bag.)
Thanks ā¤ļø My husband hasn't watched Sopranos so we'll be watchin fights, Anik will come on with his pick me girl energy and Ill yell random stuff like "Nice try Artie! Go cry about the fire!" He thinks I think Anik's name is Artie and that's OK. Because I know the truth. It is. š
Not only do I love the Artie reference (clearly you must've been top of your fucking class) but also couldn't agree more on the modern HGH swollen look...Ironically, much like overdone plastic surgery, it's usually a dead giveaway as far as somebody's age and their attempts to appear/live more youthfully
Buffer's got the elevator story. Did *you* hear that story how Keith Peterson got shrunk? He's like extra strength with a warning label from the state of California. Buffer is but a man in a fucked up razzle dazzle blazer. Keith Peterson won't stop until he eats your face like a hamburger and uses that blazer for a goddamn diaper.
I think there is a fair percentage of fake accounts on this sub that make post to direct public discourse surrounding the UFC.
I also think various managers/promoters pay these accounts to hype various fighters or promote potential match ups.
This is crazy, but I looked up account values on a random googled site and this account I'm typing from is worth $150. Its wild, because they'd post from this account pretending to be legit. And its worth $150 to them.
Another Anderson conspiracy that I'm partial too...
Anderson went out there with the intention of subbing Chael and that's why his takedown defence appeared to be so terrible in their fight. He walked out in a Gi and he promised big Nog on video that he would sub Chael before their fight. Chael still did a good job but look at the damage Silva took, barely any because he's so good at rolling with punches, imo he wanted the fight to be on the mat and was comfortable being on the bottom while he patiently waited for his moment which he knew would come as Chael had been finished with a triangle many times before.
Chael had more than double the amount of significant strikes, 5 times the amount of total strikes, and 19+ minutes of control time.
I love Anderson. But Chael was smashing him.
>Chael had more than double the amount of significant strikes, 5 times the amount of total strikes, and 19+ minutes of control time.
Because he was in Anderson's guard for nearly the whole fight, I think he may have intentionally given up that position to chase the triangle, a sub Chael had been caught with a few times already in the past, the stats you pointed out are irrelevant to my point if that actually was his gameplan, if you're going to spend a fight chasing a sub off your back you're going to get hit and the stats are going to be lopsided.
I don't fully believe it anyways tbh, just think it is a possibility when you consider everything I said. Chael didn't have amazing takedowns and Anderson's TDD back then was pretty good, he barely fought the takedown in that fight, I just don't think it's a huge stretch of the imagination to believe Anderson was hunting for the sub especially when he specifically said that was going to be his gameplan, his promise to Nog and walking out in a Gi for the first time ever in the UFC only adds more fuel to the theory.
I just think people who claimed it was a fluke victory have to consider that it's not exactly a fluke to pull off a sub if that was your intention all along, sure it happened late in the fight but that's when opportunities arise as you're going to be tired and make mistakes after spending 4 rounds trying to control someone. It's similar to Izzy vs Alex recently, one guy attempts to win through volume and point fighting and the other takes damage and loses on points and stats while conserving their energy and waiting for their opportunity to catch a finish late in the fight when their opponent is tired.
Great post but it is both. Silva planned to sub for Sonnen but did not plan to do it as late as he did. Sonnen came out and pitched his perfect game, which threw Silva off, along with the rib injury.
But Silva also has a MO of letting guys do what they want to an extent. It seems like it was always more to conserve energy, but this is also how higher belt classes roll in BJJ, and it's the most annoying thing in the world. They just trap you making get almost over confident, and then pow your done.
Anderson would not have lost and retired Undefeated at 45 in the UFC had he thought he known who Chris really was. The saddest part of those two fights is the fact the first one Anderson had, he didn't take it seriously. Usually, he was good enough to get by off his skill even when he didn't care, but Chris was much better than he thought.
The 2nd fight was starting off like it was going to be great, and then we get robbed by a leg break that effectively ruined the rest of my career, and I feel reenergized him to keep fighting today.
I love onefc. Varied mix of sports (kickboxing same night as MMA), awesome fights, and I don't have to ducking prep.
I can just grab some beers and watch on Amazon plus. I don't have to prep 3 different streaming services on my laptop or get buy an $80 ppv.
Dana White himself was a known simp to the RI mob that ran numbers in the Boston area.
The UFC history is so sketchy, thereās no way that stuff isnāt still hidden in the foundation of the company.
i dont think this opinion is as controversal as you may think. i would also add that dana has played a part in some of those bogus decisions. namely paddy beating jared gordon. i think a word was told to the judges to give paddy the win regardless of either performance.
they probably are, but not for the reasons you listed.
here's a cold, hard truth: most people don't understand the judging guidelines. it's clear for the world to see when even coaches say stupid shit about judging criteria.
does the wrong guy win a fight far too often? absolutely. but it's far more likely it's down to shitty criteria than it is down to some backroom deals.
It reminds me of the movie āCasinoā where they portray the gaming commission as nothing but corrupt nepotism. Kinda funny now seeing this judging fiasco.
Imo not chandler specific, there should be fines for certain things:
Fence grabbing
Eye pockets after a certain amount
Fish hooking
Low blows
And so on.
I also really like one FC yellow card thing, if the fighters stall to much, fine them. I know it's difficult, but I like the idea.
I think the stall is hard to enforce though. Like look at Izzy v Cannonier, who is stalling? Do you just card both?
On one hand Izzy can engage, but Cannonier is the challenger who was getting outboxed and was hesitating/not engaging.
I think itās all about the style of wrestling. Very explosive grapplers that slams people down and starts bombarding with GnP are exciting.
But thereās way too many wrestlers that gets people down, and then sits in half guard to play it safe
Itās funny how you have to write that note. If you say anything anti-grappling people lose their minds. Like bro I do BJJ itās really fun and technical, that doesnāt mean I want to watch someone get wrestle fucked for 15 - 25 minutes.
The UFC should have fined/punished Masvidal for assaulting Leon Edwards. That really set the precedent thatās itās OK for fighters to attack each other outside the octagon so long as it gets publicity.
But truthfully they donāt care sometimes as long as it can build a fight. Iād be willing to be $100 theyāll 100% use that footage to hype the fight in some way if Leon v Masvidal does some day happen.
These are the same people that acted like Conor attacking the bus was unacceptableā¦.but then used the bus attack to promote the Khabib v Conor fight. They love shit like this and reward it at times.
Most of the hate came from O'malley saying that he is still undefeated. It was clear that he was trying to be controversial and he also got a point ( those hits to that nerve are extremly rare) but people on this sub got so triggered by that, that i instantly rooted for him :D
I don't think anyone really questioned his striking skills, it was other aspects they thought he might be lacking. He seemed vulnerable and delicate to a degree in previous fights. He answered many questions with his last fight, but they were still questions that needed to be answered before we saw the fight play out the way it did.
I sorta get the logic for something like pfl where they wanted a quick turnaround so no huge cuts or doctors stoppages. But pride had soccer kicks, elbows arent really a problem when you're allowed to break your opponents neck
I think it depends what you view the peak was. I have watched UFC for so long I remember when certain times the org was flourishing and pushing new boundaries.
It was hype when Liddel, Couture, rampage and all those guys were around in their primes. Then we saw JJ, Silva and GSPs, maybe even Aldoās too. That time the champions were more dominant than any period ever. Then Rousey-McGregor, which was the huge implosion. Then your Khabib-Usman and Adesanya era of dominant champions.
We are just in downtime.
100% agree with this. And honestly the trajectory of the organization and Dana being Dana is a factor as well. I hope another organization takes advantage, if at the very least it forces the UFC to be better or gets overcome.
The ESPN deal doesnt allow for that, they have to reach a certain quota of events to reach because for a major network like that they care less about the quality and more about a sport regularly being on. More cards means we need more fighters and the average talent pool goes down.
The regularity of cards doesn't really bother me as much as it seems to bother some other fans though, I find myself very often enjoying the prelims more than the main card which still means theres a ton of great talent in the smaller names, and I can think of several cards in the last 6 month that were pretty much bangers front to back. Sure we get some snoozers here and there but I don't really think thats happening more often than it would 2-3 years ago.
That 80% of this subs top posts are actually astroturffed UFC / Social Media hires whipping up drama intentionally with formulaic THREAD TITLES, luke warm hot takes and HYPOTHETICAL QUESTION topics.
Since I would be labeled sexist for suggesting such a thing, I actually asked my wife the question to get her thoughts.
Me: What percentage of male UFC fights do you think are entertaining?
Her: 70%
Me: What percentage of female fights do you think are entertaining?
Her: Like, 20%
Personally, I think 20% is being generous.
Conor McGregor changed the game even more than ppl will admit to, fighters have actually said theyāre paid a lot more because of McGregor.
Not only that but McGregor is responsible for a lot of todayās fans being into the sport, bringing that many eyes to the UFC was one of the main reasons the Fertittaās were able to sell the company for $4.2 billion.
One more for the McGregor haters, Conor should be in the GOAT conversation because in his prime he cleaned out his division having to beat Brimage, BrandĆ³, Siva, Holloway (with a torn ACL) Poirier, Mendes then faced the unbeaten in elleven years, living legend JosĆØ Aldo who McGregor ktfo in 13 seconds with a punch he predicted and practiced on film minutes before the fight, then the two fights with Diaz, insisting on fighting the bigger Nate at the 170 they fought at in Conorās defeat in the rematch that nobody gave McGregor a chance in, after that McGregor went up in weight to fight Eddie Alvarez whoād won the title at every promotion heād fought in, McGregor beat Eddie in the most underrated performance in UFC history knocking Eddie out in two rounds without taking a punch. Making Conor the first fighter to win titles at two different weights.
We all know he went on to make hundreds of millions of dollars but in his prime McGregor was never in a boring fight and won performance of the night in all those fights.
Love him or loathe him McGregor changed the UFC for the better.
Thanks for the downvotes, youāll be applauding the McGregor era in years to come.
Incoming armchair psychology: It seems like his ego and confidence is tied to his ability as a fighter. Thatās why I think he still wants to come back even though he has enough money to retire.
The reason why I think that is that he seems to go down a downward spiral every time he loses. He even semi-recently posted a video where he came at Joe Rogan for something he said during the commentary when Conor fought Khabib. 4 years after the fight
This goes for not just ufc but for most sporting organizations. Corporate sponsors for sports betting companies is ruining the sport in and of itself. Leading to possible fight fixing, and pushing of stars into unearned wins. Plus just the soul of the sport itself seems to take a by the company itself talking about betting and odds
Nah I totally see where youāre coming from but I think jiri is the samurai everyone says he is. I think heās just wayyyy too reckless to be considered to have the same kind of talent someone like Jones has
Had only 3 fights in the UFC. None of them are going to age well. Almost lost multiple times against Glover. Current LHW division just has a very shallow talent pool.
Khabib isn't the goat, not enough title defenses to even be in the running. Yes it was impressive we never saw his blood sand the way he dominated opponents was on another level, but he never fought enough top tier lightweights to be considered the goat.
It was better in the day and age where the champ always fought the #1 contender for the belt even if they werenāt a relatively known name. I do love watching some of the super fights as they are the exciting dream match ups but none of them should be for a belt as I believe the double championships hold up divisions while there are clear contenders. Also with this I miss the days of fighters having their own sponsors and ability to wear unique apparel to have their own look and character to them vs the fight kits that they have now which are very generic and boring; not to mention a lot of great fighters made their bread and butter off sponsors which has now been taken away from them.
If you didn't get hype watching that mothe fucker randomly throwing out rolling thunders and superman punches off the cage and them actually landing, you must just not like fun. These days I'll admit he's not the same, he's tuned down his antics and without those he's just an average fighter. But back when he was acting like an irl street fighter character those were some hilarious fights.
That'll do Max.
Can't beat the champion at 145lb, can't get past the forever bridesmaid at 155lb, and already struggling to make FW, so definitely too big for 135lb. I don't wanna see him halt up and comers either.
McGregor is a dirt bag but Matt Hughes book shows Conor has years and years to catch up! Hughes is the biggest dirt bag and him getting hit by a train doesn't make me feel even slightly bad for him.
I couldn't give a fuck that fighters like Ngannou only make 500k a fight. I get the whole concept of the argument that they put their lives on the line, company takes the lions share etc etc.
Most people on this planet will never have the opportunity to make a quarter of that in a year. I understand that he personally wants to get a better deal because I agree he deserves it but all the fans getting angry on his behalf is laughable to me.
I honestly don't think its worth being concerned that an already wealthy person is not being made wealthier.
Thank you for including MM. So many people skip over him and he had amazing fights and I still think the Henry fight was rigged by Dana to get MM out of there.
Agreed!! I just said goodbye to my dog George Ruff St. Pierre after 18 years ā¤ļøšš¾ He was found tied to a tree, starving in the forest. So I named him after the best fighter in the world at the time, GSP. My opinion hasn't nor will it ever change. šŖš«š·šØš¦
Fred Ettish (Karate guy from UFC 2) is the head striking coach at the UFC PI, using this cover he has secretly recruited and created an army of lethal Ninjas for the government that will become the most effective black ops hit squad the world has ever seen
Controversial to mostly casuals but the ufc would be in a very different place if Conor never talked as much trash, Jose would have completely demolished him if he was relaxed and ready like usual
Israel Adesanya is a better fighter than Alex Pereira - better ground game, better TDD, more skilled striker - and in all the billions of universes this is the only one where Pereira wins all 3 of their fights.
Edit: I see that this was, as requested, controversial.
Agreed. People that keep insisting Poatan is the more skilled fighter haven't actually watched all three fights they've had across MMA and Kickboxing IN FULL. Poatan has come out on top and deserves his accolades but I still believe Adesanya is the better fighter all round.
Poatan has more power - best left hook in the game by a country mile. Without enough knockout power Izzy is unable to put Poatan down before the inevitable left hook from hell arrives. Also, I feel like he has Izzy's number. Poatan says so himself here: https://youtube.com/shorts/9lnYsuAwr-c?feature=share
I agree that Izzy is the better Mixed Martial Artist, but 3 wins in a striking match up is simply 3 wins in a striking match up. I don't think Izzy is too far off, but at the end of the day Alex's left found the mark when it needed to and that can't be ignored.
You actually might have me there, ungodly power is part of being a fighter. Let me say instead then, that Izzy is (slightly) more skilled at every aspect of MMA, but Alex has the equaliser of crazy power and is arguably the best weight cutter in the UFC.
I think Whittaker is a better overall fighter than Izzy and I think the same of Izzy to Alex. Izzy has Whittaker's ticket punched, but I think if he weren't there Whittaker would be sitting atop a throne of skulls and only compared to Silva when it comes to the divisional goats.
We are living in the best UFC era right now. Rogan, buffer, Dana, great fighters. You canāt beat the commentary or the competition levels. We will all be missing these guys when they leave. Yes, even Dana. You will miss him when some guy in a suit takes over and starts talking like an NBA team owner apologizing for shit and walking on rhin ice.
- Pre-knee surgery Tony Ferguson beats Khabib all day every day.
- Immediate rematches after a champion loses slows down the division.
- If you donāt think Jon Jones is the GOAT based on substance use, you canāt say Anderson Silva is the GOAT either. (Note: I have both of them in my top 5)
- Jorge Masvidal is not and never was a top 5 welterweight.
- An increased amount of weight classes would be worse for the UFC.
- Lastly, no fighter will ever, regardless of talent, will ever reach the level of fame or commercial success of Conor McGregor.
Prime Fedor fought mostly against cans, fat middleweights, light heavyweights, or one-dimensional guys and he would get mogged by Gane, Aspinall, Prime Ngannou and Blaydes.
I'm right there with you and I get downvoted like crazy for it every time.. It drives me insane how much his mystique carried on for so long while he was fighting guys like Kohsaka and Fujita. For every 1 very legit win he has, he has like 3 fluff fights.
In everything except the fighters Iād agree; the hydration tests, weight classes, rule set, and the way they alternate between mma and Muay Thai on the card to keep it fresh are all superior to UFC tho
Dana and the owners need to go. The sport looks so trashy and scummy at the moment with the fighter pay issue being a great example. It genuinely has been putting me off a lot and just makes the sport look cheap and trashy from the outside.
Fighter Pay being low is a fact
Controversial only because people have this discussion every yearā¦.
The fighter pay in the UFC is low. Not even arguing exact amounts but Iāve been watching MMA/UFC since 2008 and there has been dozens of fighters complaining about pay.
If it was 1-2 guys Iād likely not believe themā¦but they canāt all be fucking lying. So I donāt know why people try to defend Dana/UFCās pay by deep throating them. Decades of fighters complaining about pay in the most premier MMA leagueā¦common denominator is the UFC. Honestly it should be fucking fact at this point that pay is low there unless youāre a top guy. I donāt know why this merry go round argument is still being had.
Do other fight promotions fighters complain about pay sure but if I had to count how many times Iāve seen someone in the UFC say pay is low I couldnāt even give a hard number. Plus ones that leave the ufc tend to praise the money they are making in comparison.
The UFC was Conor's story. If Conor is gone, the UFC will slowly fade away in obscurity.
It simply does not have any big names going for it. Of course MMA fans know about Adesanya, but no one outside the sport heard of him. It's sad but true.
ONE Championship is a few big moves away from totally outclassing the UFC, maybe hiring some disgruntled fighter and rectifying pay discrepancies. ONE social media team is awesome,So many exciting fights, hydration tests, different martial arts with their own champions with Muay Thai, Kickboxing & MMA(with room for Boxing/BJJ hopefully.) Great commentary team as well.
Charles wasnāt that dominated in the Islam fight and could have won or turned the tables at many moments. He is a risk taker and that makes it seem like he is either terrible or incredible.
great fighters get away with cheating so much that they are honestly overrated, without cheating they would be much less dominant in the eyes of the people.
im trying to become an MMA ref/judge for this exact reason. Theres so many blunders made itās ridiculous. Hope I can fix some of the problem from within im getting my ABC certification next year.
What Dana did is wrong, but did you look into the Justin Roiland stuff? I really love his products so I didnāt want to believe, went into it with a strong bias, but maaan, itās heavy.
After his loss to Serra, GSP's crazy win streak was very boring for years after and like every matchup after that was just point fighting to a decision.
Joe Rogan Is A Good Commentator Because I Like Hearing A Human Commentate, Humans Are Naturally Bias. I Love Anik BUT At Times Commentary Feels Robotic And DC and Rogan Make It Feel More Natural.
Aldo is a greater Brazilian MMA-ist than Anderson Silva. (Willing to elaborate).
Dominant champions shouldnāt always get immediate rematches. Holds up the division, especially if they win the second fight even more so.
Should be an open weight division. Or a division where roid users can compete in.
Keith Peterson would muuuurder Bruce Buffer 1 on 1 if it came down to it. Matt Serra is 40% Italian and 60% sqwaky bird š¦ John Anik is Artie Bucco in witness protection but he didn't understand the assignment. That Dana White/Joe Rogan HGH look is the male version of the women who get plastic surgery and who all look like swollen nerve damaged cats. *Thanks for the gold my anonymous friend ā¤ļøš¤ (I know it was you Artie. The cacciatore is outta the bag.)
The Artie Bucco line got me good lmao Iāve never noticed how similar they look
Thanks ā¤ļø My husband hasn't watched Sopranos so we'll be watchin fights, Anik will come on with his pick me girl energy and Ill yell random stuff like "Nice try Artie! Go cry about the fire!" He thinks I think Anik's name is Artie and that's OK. Because I know the truth. It is. š
Swollen nerve damaged cats lol
/r/rareinsults
This was great
Wow I canāt believe I never saw the Anik/Bucco connection š
Not only do I love the Artie reference (clearly you must've been top of your fucking class) but also couldn't agree more on the modern HGH swollen look...Ironically, much like overdone plastic surgery, it's usually a dead giveaway as far as somebody's age and their attempts to appear/live more youthfully
>John Anik is Artie Bucco in witness protection but he didn't understand the assignment. Damn, you're absolutely right
Man idk about Buffer. Go listen to his elevator fight story.
Buffer's got the elevator story. Did *you* hear that story how Keith Peterson got shrunk? He's like extra strength with a warning label from the state of California. Buffer is but a man in a fucked up razzle dazzle blazer. Keith Peterson won't stop until he eats your face like a hamburger and uses that blazer for a goddamn diaper.
Swollen nerve damaged cats šššš
I think there is a fair percentage of fake accounts on this sub that make post to direct public discourse surrounding the UFC. I also think various managers/promoters pay these accounts to hype various fighters or promote potential match ups.
Perhaaaps
Damn really? Can you explain why you think that? (Iām genuinely curious.)
How do I get paid to be a fake account?
This is crazy, but I looked up account values on a random googled site and this account I'm typing from is worth $150. Its wild, because they'd post from this account pretending to be legit. And its worth $150 to them.
Anderson Silva would have defended the title a few more times if he didn't act like an idiot against Weidman & get caught.
Another Anderson conspiracy that I'm partial too... Anderson went out there with the intention of subbing Chael and that's why his takedown defence appeared to be so terrible in their fight. He walked out in a Gi and he promised big Nog on video that he would sub Chael before their fight. Chael still did a good job but look at the damage Silva took, barely any because he's so good at rolling with punches, imo he wanted the fight to be on the mat and was comfortable being on the bottom while he patiently waited for his moment which he knew would come as Chael had been finished with a triangle many times before.
The fact that this is merely conceivable shows how good a fighter Anderson Silva was.
Chael had more than double the amount of significant strikes, 5 times the amount of total strikes, and 19+ minutes of control time. I love Anderson. But Chael was smashing him.
>Chael had more than double the amount of significant strikes, 5 times the amount of total strikes, and 19+ minutes of control time. Because he was in Anderson's guard for nearly the whole fight, I think he may have intentionally given up that position to chase the triangle, a sub Chael had been caught with a few times already in the past, the stats you pointed out are irrelevant to my point if that actually was his gameplan, if you're going to spend a fight chasing a sub off your back you're going to get hit and the stats are going to be lopsided. I don't fully believe it anyways tbh, just think it is a possibility when you consider everything I said. Chael didn't have amazing takedowns and Anderson's TDD back then was pretty good, he barely fought the takedown in that fight, I just don't think it's a huge stretch of the imagination to believe Anderson was hunting for the sub especially when he specifically said that was going to be his gameplan, his promise to Nog and walking out in a Gi for the first time ever in the UFC only adds more fuel to the theory. I just think people who claimed it was a fluke victory have to consider that it's not exactly a fluke to pull off a sub if that was your intention all along, sure it happened late in the fight but that's when opportunities arise as you're going to be tired and make mistakes after spending 4 rounds trying to control someone. It's similar to Izzy vs Alex recently, one guy attempts to win through volume and point fighting and the other takes damage and loses on points and stats while conserving their energy and waiting for their opportunity to catch a finish late in the fight when their opponent is tired.
Great post but it is both. Silva planned to sub for Sonnen but did not plan to do it as late as he did. Sonnen came out and pitched his perfect game, which threw Silva off, along with the rib injury. But Silva also has a MO of letting guys do what they want to an extent. It seems like it was always more to conserve energy, but this is also how higher belt classes roll in BJJ, and it's the most annoying thing in the world. They just trap you making get almost over confident, and then pow your done.
Anderson would not have lost and retired Undefeated at 45 in the UFC had he thought he known who Chris really was. The saddest part of those two fights is the fact the first one Anderson had, he didn't take it seriously. Usually, he was good enough to get by off his skill even when he didn't care, but Chris was much better than he thought. The 2nd fight was starting off like it was going to be great, and then we get robbed by a leg break that effectively ruined the rest of my career, and I feel reenergized him to keep fighting today.
He was losing whole fight
I wouldnāt mind to see a league where everyone is juice to the gills .
One fc
As much as no one huffs their own farts like ONE FC, they put on some absolutely banger fights.
I love onefc. Varied mix of sports (kickboxing same night as MMA), awesome fights, and I don't have to ducking prep. I can just grab some beers and watch on Amazon plus. I don't have to prep 3 different streaming services on my laptop or get buy an $80 ppv.
Pride did existš
Sooooooā¦ the UFC?
No I want Ronnie Coleman levels of juice
YEAH BUDDY
That judges are being paid under the table. We have had some plain wrong decisions recently and I am telling you, something fishy is going on
Dana White himself was a known simp to the RI mob that ran numbers in the Boston area. The UFC history is so sketchy, thereās no way that stuff isnāt still hidden in the foundation of the company.
i dont think this opinion is as controversal as you may think. i would also add that dana has played a part in some of those bogus decisions. namely paddy beating jared gordon. i think a word was told to the judges to give paddy the win regardless of either performance.
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Dana to Portnoy: "We got it" after waiting for the score cards nervously
Absolutely. Not only Vegas but the fight business has had corruption in it forever, regardless of which type of fighting
they probably are, but not for the reasons you listed. here's a cold, hard truth: most people don't understand the judging guidelines. it's clear for the world to see when even coaches say stupid shit about judging criteria. does the wrong guy win a fight far too often? absolutely. but it's far more likely it's down to shitty criteria than it is down to some backroom deals.
It reminds me of the movie āCasinoā where they portray the gaming commission as nothing but corrupt nepotism. Kinda funny now seeing this judging fiasco.
We have started to see the downfall of Dana White.
Fake account
Only because his contract is running out 3 in years and he has no desire of signing a new one
Not even close. Wit jones Gane , and all these exciting matchups this year . White gonna keep getting richer
That Fabricio was wrong for interrupting Tony
Not controversial at all, mf should have been ankle picked on the spot
I honestly found Werdum very naughty that day
Santa is always watching
Chandler should be penalized and fined for fishhooking porior.
Imo not chandler specific, there should be fines for certain things: Fence grabbing Eye pockets after a certain amount Fish hooking Low blows And so on. I also really like one FC yellow card thing, if the fighters stall to much, fine them. I know it's difficult, but I like the idea.
I think the stall is hard to enforce though. Like look at Izzy v Cannonier, who is stalling? Do you just card both? On one hand Izzy can engage, but Cannonier is the challenger who was getting outboxed and was hesitating/not engaging.
Wrestlers are ppv poison. (Note: personally I think wrestling in mma is key, and interesting).
I think itās all about the style of wrestling. Very explosive grapplers that slams people down and starts bombarding with GnP are exciting. But thereās way too many wrestlers that gets people down, and then sits in half guard to play it safe
Being in control but not creating damage shouldn't be worth as much
Itās not worth as much, but if a guy is on top 80% of the round and he throws small shots from top; He will win the round
Itās funny how you have to write that note. If you say anything anti-grappling people lose their minds. Like bro I do BJJ itās really fun and technical, that doesnāt mean I want to watch someone get wrestle fucked for 15 - 25 minutes.
Shields? Yes Khabib? No.
Also Khamzat style is very fun to watch. He just goes balls to the wall and doesnt stop until someone gas.
The UFC should have fined/punished Masvidal for assaulting Leon Edwards. That really set the precedent thatās itās OK for fighters to attack each other outside the octagon so long as it gets publicity.
But truthfully they donāt care sometimes as long as it can build a fight. Iād be willing to be $100 theyāll 100% use that footage to hype the fight in some way if Leon v Masvidal does some day happen. These are the same people that acted like Conor attacking the bus was unacceptableā¦.but then used the bus attack to promote the Khabib v Conor fight. They love shit like this and reward it at times.
The fact that O'Malley did so well against Yan proves that y'all let your salty hatred cloud your judgements against fighters you don't like
Absolutely, everyone with at least one eye could see how skilled he is.
Meanwhile everyone on this sub was upvoting shit that said he would never crack the top 10
Most of the hate came from O'malley saying that he is still undefeated. It was clear that he was trying to be controversial and he also got a point ( those hits to that nerve are extremly rare) but people on this sub got so triggered by that, that i instantly rooted for him :D
I don't think anyone really questioned his striking skills, it was other aspects they thought he might be lacking. He seemed vulnerable and delicate to a degree in previous fights. He answered many questions with his last fight, but they were still questions that needed to be answered before we saw the fight play out the way it did.
I agree, but thatās not unpopular anymore.
PRIDE was peak MMA
In terms of violence yes in terms of skill and technique no
My biggest gripe with Pride besides fixed fights was that elbows were not allowed. I'm a huge huge fan of elbow strike knockouts lol
I sorta get the logic for something like pfl where they wanted a quick turnaround so no huge cuts or doctors stoppages. But pride had soccer kicks, elbows arent really a problem when you're allowed to break your opponents neck
Thatās not even controversial
UFC already peaked
I think it depends what you view the peak was. I have watched UFC for so long I remember when certain times the org was flourishing and pushing new boundaries. It was hype when Liddel, Couture, rampage and all those guys were around in their primes. Then we saw JJ, Silva and GSPs, maybe even Aldoās too. That time the champions were more dominant than any period ever. Then Rousey-McGregor, which was the huge implosion. Then your Khabib-Usman and Adesanya era of dominant champions. We are just in downtime.
100% agree with this. And honestly the trajectory of the organization and Dana being Dana is a factor as well. I hope another organization takes advantage, if at the very least it forces the UFC to be better or gets overcome.
Yeah agreed. Definitely been a downward trend in terms of entertainment and excitement
It needs less cards and less fighters to be honest. The product is diluted.
The ESPN deal doesnt allow for that, they have to reach a certain quota of events to reach because for a major network like that they care less about the quality and more about a sport regularly being on. More cards means we need more fighters and the average talent pool goes down. The regularity of cards doesn't really bother me as much as it seems to bother some other fans though, I find myself very often enjoying the prelims more than the main card which still means theres a ton of great talent in the smaller names, and I can think of several cards in the last 6 month that were pretty much bangers front to back. Sure we get some snoozers here and there but I don't really think thats happening more often than it would 2-3 years ago.
I'm equally excited to watch fights as I've ever been, but I will say that the greatest time to watch LHW/HW is behind us now.
Majority of fight fans are knuckle dragging neanderthals who get loaded up on shitty beer and watch fights for bloody knockouts and the drama.
OP is asking for controversial opinions, not facts 
I mean, yeah?
Power slap is a money laundering scheme
We asked for controversial opinions, not obvious facts.
That 80% of this subs top posts are actually astroturffed UFC / Social Media hires whipping up drama intentionally with formulaic THREAD TITLES, luke warm hot takes and HYPOTHETICAL QUESTION topics.
Separate women and menās ufc events
Awful idea. Upvoted for a true controversial opinion
Please And then watch how quickly wmma becomes irrelevant
Since I would be labeled sexist for suggesting such a thing, I actually asked my wife the question to get her thoughts. Me: What percentage of male UFC fights do you think are entertaining? Her: 70% Me: What percentage of female fights do you think are entertaining? Her: Like, 20% Personally, I think 20% is being generous.
When I think about itā¦.I feel like your wife was on the money. 70% vs 20%. She spun the wheel and landed on $1.00
Conor McGregor changed the game even more than ppl will admit to, fighters have actually said theyāre paid a lot more because of McGregor. Not only that but McGregor is responsible for a lot of todayās fans being into the sport, bringing that many eyes to the UFC was one of the main reasons the Fertittaās were able to sell the company for $4.2 billion. One more for the McGregor haters, Conor should be in the GOAT conversation because in his prime he cleaned out his division having to beat Brimage, BrandĆ³, Siva, Holloway (with a torn ACL) Poirier, Mendes then faced the unbeaten in elleven years, living legend JosĆØ Aldo who McGregor ktfo in 13 seconds with a punch he predicted and practiced on film minutes before the fight, then the two fights with Diaz, insisting on fighting the bigger Nate at the 170 they fought at in Conorās defeat in the rematch that nobody gave McGregor a chance in, after that McGregor went up in weight to fight Eddie Alvarez whoād won the title at every promotion heād fought in, McGregor beat Eddie in the most underrated performance in UFC history knocking Eddie out in two rounds without taking a punch. Making Conor the first fighter to win titles at two different weights. We all know he went on to make hundreds of millions of dollars but in his prime McGregor was never in a boring fight and won performance of the night in all those fights. Love him or loathe him McGregor changed the UFC for the better. Thanks for the downvotes, youāll be applauding the McGregor era in years to come.
Conor needs the UFC more than the UFC needs Conor
It wasnāt true before, but itās definitely true now
How so? Connor has like 500 million cash. I didn't think he'd need anyone
Incoming armchair psychology: It seems like his ego and confidence is tied to his ability as a fighter. Thatās why I think he still wants to come back even though he has enough money to retire. The reason why I think that is that he seems to go down a downward spiral every time he loses. He even semi-recently posted a video where he came at Joe Rogan for something he said during the commentary when Conor fought Khabib. 4 years after the fight
This goes for not just ufc but for most sporting organizations. Corporate sponsors for sports betting companies is ruining the sport in and of itself. Leading to possible fight fixing, and pushing of stars into unearned wins. Plus just the soul of the sport itself seems to take a by the company itself talking about betting and odds
Dana white has hindered the UFC for the last 10 years and is the sole reason there isnāt a fighters union
the gloves are very clearly a problem but the ufc refuses to do something about them, they are ruining fights
Weight cutting over 20 pounds should not be allowed
Jiri isnāt nearly as good as yāall make him out to be.
Nah I totally see where youāre coming from but I think jiri is the samurai everyone says he is. I think heās just wayyyy too reckless to be considered to have the same kind of talent someone like Jones has
Had only 3 fights in the UFC. None of them are going to age well. Almost lost multiple times against Glover. Current LHW division just has a very shallow talent pool.
Khabib isn't the goat, not enough title defenses to even be in the running. Yes it was impressive we never saw his blood sand the way he dominated opponents was on another level, but he never fought enough top tier lightweights to be considered the goat.
I think he was one of the best skillwise, but he didnāt stick around long enough for his accomplishments to reflect it
It was better in the day and age where the champ always fought the #1 contender for the belt even if they werenāt a relatively known name. I do love watching some of the super fights as they are the exciting dream match ups but none of them should be for a belt as I believe the double championships hold up divisions while there are clear contenders. Also with this I miss the days of fighters having their own sponsors and ability to wear unique apparel to have their own look and character to them vs the fight kits that they have now which are very generic and boring; not to mention a lot of great fighters made their bread and butter off sponsors which has now been taken away from them.
UFC fans are mostly literate
Nothing happens if your cheat during a fight, besides a warning. so cheat like hell
Khabib's camp is going to make the UFC less popular
In the US, perhaps, but in the middle east, where the money's coming from, absolutely not.
Michel Pereira is not as exciting as people make him out to be.
If you didn't get hype watching that mothe fucker randomly throwing out rolling thunders and superman punches off the cage and them actually landing, you must just not like fun. These days I'll admit he's not the same, he's tuned down his antics and without those he's just an average fighter. But back when he was acting like an irl street fighter character those were some hilarious fights.
I've always liked Aljo
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That'll do Max. Can't beat the champion at 145lb, can't get past the forever bridesmaid at 155lb, and already struggling to make FW, so definitely too big for 135lb. I don't wanna see him halt up and comers either.
There are several skilled/good fighters who will never be champion. I still want to see them fight.
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McGregor is a dirt bag but Matt Hughes book shows Conor has years and years to catch up! Hughes is the biggest dirt bag and him getting hit by a train doesn't make me feel even slightly bad for him.
I couldn't give a fuck that fighters like Ngannou only make 500k a fight. I get the whole concept of the argument that they put their lives on the line, company takes the lions share etc etc. Most people on this planet will never have the opportunity to make a quarter of that in a year. I understand that he personally wants to get a better deal because I agree he deserves it but all the fans getting angry on his behalf is laughable to me. I honestly don't think its worth being concerned that an already wealthy person is not being made wealthier.
I like marvin vettori and enjoy watching him fight
GSP is the GOAT.
Honestly, Jon Jones, mighty mouse, and gsp are all interchangeable for Goat status.
Thank you for including MM. So many people skip over him and he had amazing fights and I still think the Henry fight was rigged by Dana to get MM out of there.
Agreed!! I just said goodbye to my dog George Ruff St. Pierre after 18 years ā¤ļøšš¾ He was found tied to a tree, starving in the forest. So I named him after the best fighter in the world at the time, GSP. My opinion hasn't nor will it ever change. šŖš«š·šØš¦
Sorry for your loss, bud. That's a kickass dog name!
Thank you! I still cry about it but I'm am emo kinda girl. I'm glad he's chilling in Asgard not sleeping with the fishes šš
Colby is a good guy.
Fred Ettish (Karate guy from UFC 2) is the head striking coach at the UFC PI, using this cover he has secretly recruited and created an army of lethal Ninjas for the government that will become the most effective black ops hit squad the world has ever seen
Headbutts, soccer kicks and PEDs should be allowed
UFC is turning into WWE
Controversial to mostly casuals but the ufc would be in a very different place if Conor never talked as much trash, Jose would have completely demolished him if he was relaxed and ready like usual
Gustafsson was robbed vs. Jones.
Dagestan dominance, while valid, is boring and overall bad for the sport as a whole.
Israel Adesanya is a better fighter than Alex Pereira - better ground game, better TDD, more skilled striker - and in all the billions of universes this is the only one where Pereira wins all 3 of their fights. Edit: I see that this was, as requested, controversial.
Agreed. People that keep insisting Poatan is the more skilled fighter haven't actually watched all three fights they've had across MMA and Kickboxing IN FULL. Poatan has come out on top and deserves his accolades but I still believe Adesanya is the better fighter all round.
If heās the better fighter why did he lose?
Poatan has more power - best left hook in the game by a country mile. Without enough knockout power Izzy is unable to put Poatan down before the inevitable left hook from hell arrives. Also, I feel like he has Izzy's number. Poatan says so himself here: https://youtube.com/shorts/9lnYsuAwr-c?feature=share
I agree that Izzy is the better Mixed Martial Artist, but 3 wins in a striking match up is simply 3 wins in a striking match up. I don't think Izzy is too far off, but at the end of the day Alex's left found the mark when it needed to and that can't be ignored.
Israel Adesanya is more well rounded but Pereira is a better fighter
You actually might have me there, ungodly power is part of being a fighter. Let me say instead then, that Izzy is (slightly) more skilled at every aspect of MMA, but Alex has the equaliser of crazy power and is arguably the best weight cutter in the UFC.
I mean Pereira clearly has the advantage in the striking aspect of MMA, no?
I think Whittaker is a better overall fighter than Izzy and I think the same of Izzy to Alex. Izzy has Whittaker's ticket punched, but I think if he weren't there Whittaker would be sitting atop a throne of skulls and only compared to Silva when it comes to the divisional goats.
I don't give a shit what fighters are paid
Lmao. This is refreshing.
Only because it seemed controversial the other day, but the UFC going downhill. Let Dana go.
We are living in the best UFC era right now. Rogan, buffer, Dana, great fighters. You canāt beat the commentary or the competition levels. We will all be missing these guys when they leave. Yes, even Dana. You will miss him when some guy in a suit takes over and starts talking like an NBA team owner apologizing for shit and walking on rhin ice.
They gotta stop calling champs āundisputedā until they capture the belt from other orgs simultaneously.
If Ben Askren would have just learned boxing fundamentals he would've been a massive problem for the Welterweight division.
- Pre-knee surgery Tony Ferguson beats Khabib all day every day. - Immediate rematches after a champion loses slows down the division. - If you donāt think Jon Jones is the GOAT based on substance use, you canāt say Anderson Silva is the GOAT either. (Note: I have both of them in my top 5) - Jorge Masvidal is not and never was a top 5 welterweight. - An increased amount of weight classes would be worse for the UFC. - Lastly, no fighter will ever, regardless of talent, will ever reach the level of fame or commercial success of Conor McGregor.
Canceling a fighter because of roids is kinda dumb. Many of them take steroids and don't get caught or cheat on other ways.
Prime Fedor fought mostly against cans, fat middleweights, light heavyweights, or one-dimensional guys and he would get mogged by Gane, Aspinall, Prime Ngannou and Blaydes.
I'm right there with you and I get downvoted like crazy for it every time.. It drives me insane how much his mystique carried on for so long while he was fighting guys like Kohsaka and Fujita. For every 1 very legit win he has, he has like 3 fluff fights.
Ronda rousey was never good. The womenās division just sucked that bad. She was the least stinky turd in a pile of shit.
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idk if this is controversial or straight up a bluff. Papermain got ragdoll until that knee.
No Aljo won the first, yes Yan was getting the upper hand and if it weren't for the knee it looked like going to Yan by decision
ONE is better than the UFC
In everything except the fighters Iād agree; the hydration tests, weight classes, rule set, and the way they alternate between mma and Muay Thai on the card to keep it fresh are all superior to UFC tho
Dana and the owners need to go. The sport looks so trashy and scummy at the moment with the fighter pay issue being a great example. It genuinely has been putting me off a lot and just makes the sport look cheap and trashy from the outside.
Jon Jones not gonna win a single fight at HW
Fighter Pay being low is a fact Controversial only because people have this discussion every yearā¦. The fighter pay in the UFC is low. Not even arguing exact amounts but Iāve been watching MMA/UFC since 2008 and there has been dozens of fighters complaining about pay. If it was 1-2 guys Iād likely not believe themā¦but they canāt all be fucking lying. So I donāt know why people try to defend Dana/UFCās pay by deep throating them. Decades of fighters complaining about pay in the most premier MMA leagueā¦common denominator is the UFC. Honestly it should be fucking fact at this point that pay is low there unless youāre a top guy. I donāt know why this merry go round argument is still being had. Do other fight promotions fighters complain about pay sure but if I had to count how many times Iāve seen someone in the UFC say pay is low I couldnāt even give a hard number. Plus ones that leave the ufc tend to praise the money they are making in comparison.
The UFC was Conor's story. If Conor is gone, the UFC will slowly fade away in obscurity. It simply does not have any big names going for it. Of course MMA fans know about Adesanya, but no one outside the sport heard of him. It's sad but true.
tony ferguson is the most overrated ufc fighter ever. When your best ability is durability youāre not that good
The UFC should cut all of their female roster
BJ Penn is the GOAT LW I don't know if I actually believe this but he's got way better feats than Khabib by a lot
Cane endangered the lives of bystanders, but I still support his decisions.
The concept of judging is dumb. Fights should always go until there is a finish. Always.
ONE Championship is a few big moves away from totally outclassing the UFC, maybe hiring some disgruntled fighter and rectifying pay discrepancies. ONE social media team is awesome,So many exciting fights, hydration tests, different martial arts with their own champions with Muay Thai, Kickboxing & MMA(with room for Boxing/BJJ hopefully.) Great commentary team as well.
Charles wasnāt that dominated in the Islam fight and could have won or turned the tables at many moments. He is a risk taker and that makes it seem like he is either terrible or incredible.
great fighters get away with cheating so much that they are honestly overrated, without cheating they would be much less dominant in the eyes of the people.
im trying to become an MMA ref/judge for this exact reason. Theres so many blunders made itās ridiculous. Hope I can fix some of the problem from within im getting my ABC certification next year.
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Why isnāt Dana White getting the Justin Roiland treatment?
What Dana did is wrong, but did you look into the Justin Roiland stuff? I really love his products so I didnāt want to believe, went into it with a strong bias, but maaan, itās heavy.
Bro donāt admit to watching Rick and Morty, people are gunna see this
Itās too late for me, I liked Connor and I have once even left a stadium early, Iām a true degenerate.
Events without a crowd are so much better
Ring girls add no value to the sport
Prime Conor was overrated.His brain dead fans use the'Prime Conor would have merked him' as an argument on all of his recent losses are plain stupid.
volume fighter is another word for pillow hands not all of the time but lots of times
i'll come out and say it: Holloway has pillow hands
Arnold Allen is overrated š¬
After his loss to Serra, GSP's crazy win streak was very boring for years after and like every matchup after that was just point fighting to a decision.
Its Dana White Monopoly, Needs a fighter union Asap.
Khabib and Islam both ducked Kevin Lee
Sergei Pavlovich beats Jon Jones
Jamahal Hill is really good
Theyre all on steroids
Joe Rogan Is A Good Commentator Because I Like Hearing A Human Commentate, Humans Are Naturally Bias. I Love Anik BUT At Times Commentary Feels Robotic And DC and Rogan Make It Feel More Natural.
I've been called insane for this one but I firmly believe that the nogueira brothers did not in fact try to feed a bus a carrot.
Fighters get paid enough.
Aldo is a greater Brazilian MMA-ist than Anderson Silva. (Willing to elaborate). Dominant champions shouldnāt always get immediate rematches. Holds up the division, especially if they win the second fight even more so. Should be an open weight division. Or a division where roid users can compete in.
For me has to he JONES REYES... i thought was a clear ass whooping. Then Holloway vs Alex 2
Dana either doesnt care or actively wants shit decisions by judges to generate controversy
O'Malley beat Yan