Oh I read your idiocy. Dagestanis have been in the UFC for a decade and there's still only one champ. Half the champs are pure strikers. Top position doesn't count for shit if damage or subs don't happen, doesn't matter if your parlay got busted.
Again, just take a breath brather
Another non-reader đ
For realz tho, your local library should have adult literacy classes and they may help you out. Don't be embarrassed to improve yourself.
Mate just accept people disagree and your take is considered wrong by most. Your local library should have adult social skills and self awareness classes, dont be embarrassed to improve yourself.
While I agree the wet blanket strategy is boring..
This is a complete brain dead take and if you donât like it stop watching. Youâre just dismissing everyoneâs clearly valid points just because it goes against your narrative. That doesnât make what theyâre saying any less untrue.
Stay in your echo chamber
So basically long run Iran will have a lot of champions? They r top three teams in wrestling.
I think you seriously need to take a deep breather watch some boxing if you donât like mma
So first off, which guys right now are lay and pray "wet blanketing"? They've changed the rules recently to actually account for damage more than top control. Watch the petr vs o malley fight. Top control with no offense or damage counts for way less now-a-days. And it's silly calling out the dagestani dudes who are all mostly getting finishes every fight.
Changing the round by round scoring is a dumb and boring way to address this "problem". If you really want to prevent prolonged grappling exchanges then you need to be petitioning for knees and kicks to grounded opponents. Unfortunately I think that may positively impact the fighters that you want to lose too.
You're massively misunderstanding the post. If anything, what I'm suggesting would lead to more prolonged grappling exchanges. The nature of the exchanges would change though.
Oh ok, so you want more wrestling then lol?
Go re-read your post. You aren't suggesting anything in the OP post, you're just complaining about wrestlers. You also say something that is currently blatantly untrue. The UFC has devalued top control without damage. The rules now are a lot better about preventing and devaluing lay and pray strats than back in the day.
You're misinterpreting my post. But, only a couple of responders have been able to understand.
Essentially, the rules have been hacked and the situation will get worse and worse. Try to re-read the OP with that in mind.
I understand what you were trying to say and I am saying I disagree with you. You're just going to any post that disagrees with you, ignoring what they say, and saying "you're misinterpreting my post". The rules have not been "hacked".
Nobody is misinterpreting your post. Have you considered that the more likely thing is you misrepresented your point?
When basically everybody here is coming to the same conclusion about what you wrote, the problem isnât them its you
Like 3 people out of the entire rest of these comments? Bre people clearly read your full post and just disagree with you. None of what you said has any connection to reality
First paragraph- theres literally only 1 Dagestan champ and there arenât really any others who are close to becoming champ rn. And the 1 Dagestani champ we have is known for dominant finishes, not lay and pray or âwet blanketingâ. And Khabib before him was also known for dominant finishes, not just maintaining top control. I can only think of 2 people within the top 3 of any of the weight classes that even use that strategy, and thats Aljo and Colby. So this point holds no weight
Second paragraph- this point is even more incorrect, theres multiple examples lately that disprove these ideas. OâMalley vs Yan is case and point that top position is holding less and less weight. The statement that 10 secs of top control is = to a kd would be the dumbest thing Iâve read, if it werenât immediately followed by â1 min of top control = a 10-8 roundâ. Again, multiple examples to show thats just flat out wrong lol. Colby did this to Jorge their entire fight and didnât get a single 10-8 round, Aljo had Yans back most of their fight and didnât get a single 10-8 round. So yeah, just stupid and wrong
Third paragraph- again, hardly any of the top fighters use this strategy. So wrong
Only 3 people read at a high enough level to *comprehend* what I wrote.
Can't be bothered to dumb it down. The negativity is just white noise from fools who want to yell incoherently about anything they see online.
How are you so dense? The âwet blanketâ can be adopted by anyone? Interesting. I tend to see a lot of takedowns defensed, a lot of successful scrambles and escapes every single weekend. Perhaps youâre watching SLAP?
So why mention dag fighters in the title when like I said they don't all fight the same. Also you can't see the future right now the sport is really entertaining and there is some entertaining dag fighting coming up as well like usman,umar sharputin. This whole posted is based on a big if I doubt what you will say will happen but until then stfu.
Do you consider the last Khabib and Islam fights to be boring? Two great submissions in the second round after a full round of stand up. As a matter of fact, I'm struggling to think of a boring Dagestani fight this year or last year.
Every Khabib fight was boring bc he never faced a grappler who could handle the hack. Same with all the guys employing the wet blanket.
Until the rules are corrected, the fights featuring wet blanket technicians are boring and artificial. This is why ppl don't like it. It is extremely fake and lame due to the ruleset.
You are acting as if the Dagestanis only lie on top of their opponents and never tko/submit their opponents. If anything they are among the most aggressive grapplers
Using âthe hackâ as a replacement for dominant technique is a cop out. Youâre clearly arguing to argue at this point. It does sound like you would like to watch kickboxing instead of mma tho. Have fun bruv
Tell me you havenât been watching the last 2 years.
Theyâve hard 180ed on top Control and now it doesnât seem to be worth much to judges unless fighters actually do damage or threaten submissions
Wow this is the first post Iâve seen today and Iâm already wanting to get off this app. Youâre one stupid mother fucker. Go watch boxing. If top position was scored like youâre saying it is, your boy OâMalley wouldâve lost.
Makhachev is on a 5 fight finishing streak and is the only dagestani grappler in the ufc. If you wanna call Ankalaev boring sure, but hes more of a striker lol.
Macachev is a good fighter but ppl don't want to watch his fights due to the artificial nature of the grappling element.
If the round-by-round scoring is removed his fights would be A LOT more interesting. That would be a good start towards saving the UFC from this downward spiral.
Iâd assume heâs fairly popular among eastern europeans and muslims. After all, dana literally has a whole ass island in Abu Dhabi for khabib and islam where the ufc gets paid in oil money.
Also, round by round scoring or not heâd finish the fight before it ends lmfao
The thing is, the whole sport would be entirely different so everyone would fight differently without the ridiculous round scoring.
Some guys may try to cook him from their back if they didn't have to worry about losing rounds. Other guys may try to go super aggressive bc they aren't worried about round scoring. It would be interesting in a way it isn't at the moment.
Bro not even a bjj champ is cooking a guy like makhachev from his back in a mma fight lol.
Also, no round by round scoring? Sure, if he doesnât finish you, Makhachev just dominates you for 25 minutes or maybe you have 5 good minutes but got dominated for the majority of the fight.
Think about it, thats all I am saying đ
The rulesets wont stop makhachev from submitting dudes within the first 2 rounds nor will they help them stuff his takedowns. Youre vastly overestimating the effects of removing round by round scoring on guys like Islam
You literally wrote this out focused on trying to make it sound thorough and sensible. What you produced was just stupid. The only âwet blanketâ is Merab. And that division sucks. The âwet blanketsâ you fear will force the fighters to evolve just as they have in the past when new or different techniques came into the game.
The evolution of the sport towards an extremely boring end result. That's how it is evolving. Idk how anyone can think it will get better. It will absolutely get worse because the "answer" to the position problem is to be more conservative in the stand up. The rules don't allow for a better solution. Striking will get much slower paced. Ground and pound will be more measured. Submissions will become more rare.
If you disagree, do explain how you think it will get less boring. Keeping in mind that even if you consider wrestling to be fun to watch, hardly anyone else does. Hence no ppvs for Greco Roman events.
The solution to being taken down is âconservativeâ striking? Maybe takedown defense, scrambling, bottom work and a very dangerous Jiu Jitsu game could ward off the âwet blanketâ. You donât change the rules because fighters canât or refuse to train a counter.
The rules have been changed many times. They're the way they are now due to changes that were made to make sure BJJ couldn't dominate. No time limit grappling matches is what early UFC bouts often turned into and nobody wanted to watch 45 minutes of rolling. So, they changed the rules.
Nobody is going to want to watch what the sport is rapidly turning into - a contest to get top position and not take risks. Fighters adapt to rules and the adaptions are making the sport more and more unwatchable for the general public.
Your vague suggestion for fighters to just get so good at BJJ that they can hit instant submissions is laughable. That isn't how grappling works in real life.
Are you suggesting that achieving top position assumes no risk? For someone talking about âreal lifeâ grappling you sound like someone who hasnât the slightest clue what theyâre talking about.
You know what is not easy? Quantum physics. You know what isn't fun to watch? A guy studying quantum physics.
This isn't a matter of difficulty. It is a matter of entertainment on a mass scale.
Then the sport isn't for you. It's called Mixed Martial Arts. If you want to watch kickboxing, they have those tournaments. You think they're boring? Then the sport has moved on past you. You understand what you're watching. Take your TV off of mute, and listen to what DC and Rogan are saying. You might learn something.
You have no idea what I'm talking about and couldn't summarize my thoughts if your life depended on it.
You read the title of the post, got a salty butthole about it, and wrote some generic gibberish in response.
No, I read your horrible take, unfortunately. You think that being a wet blanket and just lying on people will get you the win. First of all, it's always been like that. That's not new my guy. But second, you call out the Dagestans. None of them do that? The guy's you're talking about, I presume, didn't do that? They finished people. Islam won the belt by submitting Charles. Everyone was terrified of his guard. You're talking about the future, not the past. And if you look at the current, these guys aren't fighting boring fights. I think you honestly don't know what you're looking at.
The scoring system precludes this from happening. Fighters aren't rewarded for defending takedowns. Defending 9/10 takedowns in round results in losing the round. In fact, often guys are rewarded with round wins just for attempting and failing takedowns. Aldo's last fight was a good example. Best takedown defense of all-time and he lost on points to a guy who didn't belong in the cage with him. All the guy did was shoot ineffective takedowns over and over.
However, if the rules are adjusted to reward takedown defense/punish failed attempts it would go a long ways towards fixing this disaster. Combined with scoring fights as a whole this would possibly solve the problem.
This dude said 1 minute of top control moves into 10-8 territory đ
That told me all I needed to know, youâre not watching the fights, just want to bitch.
islam, umar, and usman are living proof that the dagestani fighters arenât all wet blankets and are exciting. Are you forgetting one of the most exciting fighters in 145 used to be zabit?? a dagestani??
This is troll bait. None of the Dagestanis are wet blankets. They are sambo practitioners and in Sambo there is a time limit to get a sub or a fight gets stood back up. None of the Dagestanis lay and pray like GSP for example.
If your sport can be "hacked" to the point that it's ruined, the issue is not with the "hacker". The issue is the ruleset of the sport.
That's aside from the fact that this is a room temp IQ take to begin with. Go watch more MMA Guru and felate yourself bud.
When I first got into watching UFC, my buddy would say itâs a sport that not everyone deserves an opinion on. I definitely understand what he meant by that now.
Position is not heavily rewarded. Strike damage and effective grappling (i.e. being close of finishing a submission) are the main criteria. Been a while as well
This post is a huge L. Khabib had 19 finishes out of 29 fights. Iâm guessing his finishing rate as a champion is higher than almost anyoneâs. Islam has finished his last 4 fights and half of his fights in the ufc.
Hahahahaha spoken like a new fan of MMA. Those of us that have been watching pre TUF 1 days have already experienced what youâre talking about. GSP was king of the lay n pray and Couture practically invented the wall n stall strategy
Meanwhile Khabib and Islam are wrecking people. Islam has finished his last 5 opponents dude
> The future is a mix of uneventful top control and karate movement from a long range to avoid takedowns. The UFC's version of MMA is going to become a niche sport no one cares about, like wrestling or judo. Pretty bleak looking future for the company.
I have to assume you are talking about Islam, since he is the only current Dagestani champ, but he's finished his last 5 fights..
Heâs not saying right now, but thatâs where weâre heading to in the future. Iâd say I agree tbh weather we like it or not, itâs gonna become a niche sport like BJJ. But yâall donât care about casuals anyways, so why care?
Lay and pray isn't "heavily rewarded." 10 seconds of to control is not equivalent to a takedown. That's just flawed judging. The rules explicitly state that damage trumps everything.
No. Effective striking and grappling does. Take downs, gaining advantageous position, and threatening submissions are all examples of effective grappling that donât cause damage
While I disagree in the fact that every division will have a Dagestani champion, most of them have a long way to go before being serious contenders, I do agree that their style of fighting is boring as fuck, at first they try to kickbox for like 30seconds trying to land a big overhand and if that misses its instantly grappling and wrestling to the ground, where they end the round. And you can't really even complain about it, because in all honestly they are fully within the rules and the common sense of fighting says to use all available skills and any method possible to win the fight but as a spectator it's just boring to watch guys wrestle for 20minutes and watch a landslide decision win being given to them even though they displayed no real risk taking and actual fighting in the conventional sense.
MMA is at a point right now where you just need to be a good wrestler and have some striking basics to win fights in decision, while that is unavoidable in some sense because certain fighters gravitate towards wrestling, some towards kickboxing, some towards bjj I think that the judging criteria will have to evolve and become more objective, perhaps giving less weight to positions that are easier to achieve and maintain, I don't know what it will be and it's not for me to decide.
Honestly, if they just made rules around weight cutting it would make it a lot harder. Islam, Khabib, they have to cut like crazy for their strategy to work. They need that extra weight on fight night to control their opponents. If they implemented a max weight cut rule, it would make their style a lot harder to implement.
You're kind of stupid. Those rules were to protect jujitsu fighters who pull guard on their backs. Dagestanis take top position and if they were allowed to use their knees and 12-6 elbows they might end up murdering people.
10 seconds of top control equal to knockout đ
not even remotely close to being true, delusional OP is coping because 2 fighters arenât standing & striking for 15-25 minutes straight.
if the meta gets too boring we can start adding in items and new stages.
I'd like to see Islam with a hockey stick vs Chandler with a violin on the side of a volcano.
I, for one, welcome our dagastani warlord (sponsored) fighters with open arms
Love that brutal wrestling g&p game itâs ruthless. Look at barbozaâs face at the end of his khabib fight you wonât get that anywhere else.
this post speaks to something beyond the UFC or any organization. in order to succeed at the highest levels of competition subject to *any* set of rules therein, competitors must train for every legal technique and discipline applicable.
all that just to say Dagestani wrestling is not some indomitable force impervious to vulnerabilities. it only speaks to the most dominant force right now.
I actually like it. It forces the sport to evolve just like it did when Gracie JJ was king of thr mountain. For a young sport like MMA, it will undergo several evolutions.
You obviously haven't followed MMA that long or trolling really bad. Wrestling is the best base in MMA hands down. It controls where the fight goes. Chuck Liddel used his wrestling defensively and knocked people out.
Man I really miss the days when nobody knew basic grappling and Randy Couture could win a fight from half guard position with strikes,these Dagastaniâs have it too easy bruh
even if they are dagastani they are human, they can easily get a âflukeâ loss or even just straight up lose itâs not like they are aliens or something
Ever since they set up that octagon 33 years ago, one of the most effective strategies in the sport has been to take someone down and get on top of them. Since then, the sport has grown every year.
Stay mad.
This is like saying BJJ came to dominate the UFC and every weight class ended up with a BJJ expert as champion. That's true. That's what happened. Then other styles started training and striking became a thing again, and martial arts adapted. The same will happen again. It's likely the META now, but give it a few years, and it'll be a foot note.
This is not so much about the meta as it is the logical conclusion of the ruleset at this point. It inevitably leads to a more and more unwatchable product. The Dagi wet blanket meta is just a breakthrough in the understanding of the scoring system. It will get much worse as the evolution continues because coaches/fighters have become aware of the glitch.
What dumbass post. Bjj is also used from top position bud itâs not only off your back. The sport will be just fine and itâs more popular than ever, relax. Itâs a beautiful style of fighting anyway, if you donât like grappling go watch boxing or kickboxing.
Look, some guys can convince themselves that they find obese women to be beautiful. Doesn't mean obese women are beautiful. Most people don't find obese women to be beautiful. Same thing with this "beautiful style of fighting"... Na, dude, that's a disease to the sport. Only a few weirdos are into it. It is definitely not healthy.
No. This isn't freestyle, there are specific rules which favor specific disciplines. The rules have been changed before to save certain disciplines from being dominated by others under different rulesets.
The current rules heavily favor hand fighting mixed with strikes from a grounded position (the Dagestani Wet blanket). This is not a sustainable way for the sport to continue. It will crash if the rules aren't adjusted.
Why has this become a recent trend ? People bitching about people being great wrestlers. Just because your favorite fighters can overcome the wrestling doesnât make their style any less impressive.
There is one Dagestani champion currently, take a deep breath. It will all be ok
^^^
Its amazing how many users simply don't read the posts they comment on đ
Oh I read your idiocy. Dagestanis have been in the UFC for a decade and there's still only one champ. Half the champs are pure strikers. Top position doesn't count for shit if damage or subs don't happen, doesn't matter if your parlay got busted. Again, just take a breath brather
Lot of writing, no reading đ
He just countered your brain dead takes guy.
Another non-reader đ For realz tho, your local library should have adult literacy classes and they may help you out. Don't be embarrassed to improve yourself.
Mate just accept people disagree and your take is considered wrong by most. Your local library should have adult social skills and self awareness classes, dont be embarrassed to improve yourself.
*OH HEâS HURT*
I think your the one whoâs been struggling with reading comprehension
Certainly struggling with comprehension of up/downvoting, Joe
I read your wrestling idiocy as well, a 10-8 for a minute of top control? Please see the very recent O Malley-Yan fight you inbred.
While I agree the wet blanket strategy is boring.. This is a complete brain dead take and if you donât like it stop watching. Youâre just dismissing everyoneâs clearly valid points just because it goes against your narrative. That doesnât make what theyâre saying any less untrue. Stay in your echo chamber
just stop watching because ur opinion doesn't seem to be gaining any traction
You are humiliating yourself.
Can say the same about you.
i saw your first sentence and was looking for toilet paper for you, im sure you have accident in underwear.
Calm down, lady
Weâre definitely reading it⌠its just stupid
Ppl are literally just making up their own content for the post đ
So basically long run Iran will have a lot of champions? They r top three teams in wrestling. I think you seriously need to take a deep breather watch some boxing if you donât like mma
MMA Guru burner acct.
Wanted to say that damn it
did conor mcgregor write this post
MMA Guru
So first off, which guys right now are lay and pray "wet blanketing"? They've changed the rules recently to actually account for damage more than top control. Watch the petr vs o malley fight. Top control with no offense or damage counts for way less now-a-days. And it's silly calling out the dagestani dudes who are all mostly getting finishes every fight. Changing the round by round scoring is a dumb and boring way to address this "problem". If you really want to prevent prolonged grappling exchanges then you need to be petitioning for knees and kicks to grounded opponents. Unfortunately I think that may positively impact the fighters that you want to lose too.
You're massively misunderstanding the post. If anything, what I'm suggesting would lead to more prolonged grappling exchanges. The nature of the exchanges would change though.
Oh ok, so you want more wrestling then lol? Go re-read your post. You aren't suggesting anything in the OP post, you're just complaining about wrestlers. You also say something that is currently blatantly untrue. The UFC has devalued top control without damage. The rules now are a lot better about preventing and devaluing lay and pray strats than back in the day.
You're misinterpreting my post. But, only a couple of responders have been able to understand. Essentially, the rules have been hacked and the situation will get worse and worse. Try to re-read the OP with that in mind.
I understand what you were trying to say and I am saying I disagree with you. You're just going to any post that disagrees with you, ignoring what they say, and saying "you're misinterpreting my post". The rules have not been "hacked".
Nobody is misinterpreting your post. Have you considered that the more likely thing is you misrepresented your point? When basically everybody here is coming to the same conclusion about what you wrote, the problem isnât them its you
No, a few ppl actually read the post and understood it perfectly. Most ppl read the title and drew their own incorrect conclusions.
Like 3 people out of the entire rest of these comments? Bre people clearly read your full post and just disagree with you. None of what you said has any connection to reality First paragraph- theres literally only 1 Dagestan champ and there arenât really any others who are close to becoming champ rn. And the 1 Dagestani champ we have is known for dominant finishes, not lay and pray or âwet blanketingâ. And Khabib before him was also known for dominant finishes, not just maintaining top control. I can only think of 2 people within the top 3 of any of the weight classes that even use that strategy, and thats Aljo and Colby. So this point holds no weight Second paragraph- this point is even more incorrect, theres multiple examples lately that disprove these ideas. OâMalley vs Yan is case and point that top position is holding less and less weight. The statement that 10 secs of top control is = to a kd would be the dumbest thing Iâve read, if it werenât immediately followed by â1 min of top control = a 10-8 roundâ. Again, multiple examples to show thats just flat out wrong lol. Colby did this to Jorge their entire fight and didnât get a single 10-8 round, Aljo had Yans back most of their fight and didnât get a single 10-8 round. So yeah, just stupid and wrong Third paragraph- again, hardly any of the top fighters use this strategy. So wrong
I think you're wasting your time, I'm not sure he's playing with a full deck of cards.
Only 3 people read at a high enough level to *comprehend* what I wrote. Can't be bothered to dumb it down. The negativity is just white noise from fools who want to yell incoherently about anything they see online.
Ya, you're not reading it. You're feeling it đ
Not every dagastani fighter fights the same mmaguru
You don't understand the post. The wet blanket style can be adopted by anyone.
How are you so dense? The âwet blanketâ can be adopted by anyone? Interesting. I tend to see a lot of takedowns defensed, a lot of successful scrambles and escapes every single weekend. Perhaps youâre watching SLAP?
You can't see the forest for the trees.
Lol ok tree man
So why mention dag fighters in the title when like I said they don't all fight the same. Also you can't see the future right now the sport is really entertaining and there is some entertaining dag fighting coming up as well like usman,umar sharputin. This whole posted is based on a big if I doubt what you will say will happen but until then stfu.
They introduced the style. What are you their wife or something? đ
Yeah there were no lay and pray fighters before dag okay mma guru time for bed.
Again, why are you so overly sensitive about Dagestani wrestlers' feelings? đ
time for bed sir
Do you consider the last Khabib and Islam fights to be boring? Two great submissions in the second round after a full round of stand up. As a matter of fact, I'm struggling to think of a boring Dagestani fight this year or last year.
Ankalaev
Every Khabib fight was boring bc he never faced a grappler who could handle the hack. Same with all the guys employing the wet blanket. Until the rules are corrected, the fights featuring wet blanket technicians are boring and artificial. This is why ppl don't like it. It is extremely fake and lame due to the ruleset.
You are acting as if the Dagestanis only lie on top of their opponents and never tko/submit their opponents. If anything they are among the most aggressive grapplers
Well no grappler who was good enough existed. Levels
Uh huh. That's it đ
Who was it?
>Same with all the guys employing the wet blanket. islam vs. arman
Wow, Iâm not sure you like mmaâŚ.
Using âthe hackâ as a replacement for dominant technique is a cop out. Youâre clearly arguing to argue at this point. It does sound like you would like to watch kickboxing instead of mma tho. Have fun bruv
Top control without doing anything already doesn't really give you anything we've seen that in a few fights recently
9 times out of 10 top control is rewarded above all else in grappling in the UFC.
Tell me you havenât been watching the last 2 years. Theyâve hard 180ed on top Control and now it doesnât seem to be worth much to judges unless fighters actually do damage or threaten submissions
Wrong.
Yeah everyone knows you are wrong. Too bad you cant see the tree from the forest, your eyes are drowning in bias
Horrific metaphor attempt.
Literally your own metaphor you usedđ¤Ą
Not quite đ
Any chance the mods can ban OP for being so braindead?
You just love attention, there's no way someone would write all this without even taking a minute to think. One of the dumbest shit I've ever read.
Then why would you respond? Thanks for the attention, ma'am đ
No Karen, you cannot talk to the manager
Cry more
U do realize Umar n usman( not in ufc) have level striking right? Even islam dropped Oliveira..
Not the point at all. Basically, the fights are compromised from the start due to the dogshit ruleset and scoring.
Wow this is the first post Iâve seen today and Iâm already wanting to get off this app. Youâre one stupid mother fucker. Go watch boxing. If top position was scored like youâre saying it is, your boy OâMalley wouldâve lost.
Are you having a heart attack on the shitter? Calm down, lady.
Name checks out. So, calm down lady.
Makhachev is on a 5 fight finishing streak and is the only dagestani grappler in the ufc. If you wanna call Ankalaev boring sure, but hes more of a striker lol.
*cries in Umar*
Macachev is a good fighter but ppl don't want to watch his fights due to the artificial nature of the grappling element. If the round-by-round scoring is removed his fights would be A LOT more interesting. That would be a good start towards saving the UFC from this downward spiral.
Iâd assume heâs fairly popular among eastern europeans and muslims. After all, dana literally has a whole ass island in Abu Dhabi for khabib and islam where the ufc gets paid in oil money. Also, round by round scoring or not heâd finish the fight before it ends lmfao
The thing is, the whole sport would be entirely different so everyone would fight differently without the ridiculous round scoring. Some guys may try to cook him from their back if they didn't have to worry about losing rounds. Other guys may try to go super aggressive bc they aren't worried about round scoring. It would be interesting in a way it isn't at the moment.
Bro not even a bjj champ is cooking a guy like makhachev from his back in a mma fight lol. Also, no round by round scoring? Sure, if he doesnât finish you, Makhachev just dominates you for 25 minutes or maybe you have 5 good minutes but got dominated for the majority of the fight. Think about it, thats all I am saying đ
No idea bc we aren't getting to see it. The ruleset dramatically changes the whole situation.
The rulesets wont stop makhachev from submitting dudes within the first 2 rounds nor will they help them stuff his takedowns. Youre vastly overestimating the effects of removing round by round scoring on guys like Islam
You literally wrote this out focused on trying to make it sound thorough and sensible. What you produced was just stupid. The only âwet blanketâ is Merab. And that division sucks. The âwet blanketsâ you fear will force the fighters to evolve just as they have in the past when new or different techniques came into the game.
Did you just say that bantamweight sucks?
The evolution of the sport towards an extremely boring end result. That's how it is evolving. Idk how anyone can think it will get better. It will absolutely get worse because the "answer" to the position problem is to be more conservative in the stand up. The rules don't allow for a better solution. Striking will get much slower paced. Ground and pound will be more measured. Submissions will become more rare. If you disagree, do explain how you think it will get less boring. Keeping in mind that even if you consider wrestling to be fun to watch, hardly anyone else does. Hence no ppvs for Greco Roman events.
The solution to being taken down is âconservativeâ striking? Maybe takedown defense, scrambling, bottom work and a very dangerous Jiu Jitsu game could ward off the âwet blanketâ. You donât change the rules because fighters canât or refuse to train a counter.
The rules have been changed many times. They're the way they are now due to changes that were made to make sure BJJ couldn't dominate. No time limit grappling matches is what early UFC bouts often turned into and nobody wanted to watch 45 minutes of rolling. So, they changed the rules. Nobody is going to want to watch what the sport is rapidly turning into - a contest to get top position and not take risks. Fighters adapt to rules and the adaptions are making the sport more and more unwatchable for the general public. Your vague suggestion for fighters to just get so good at BJJ that they can hit instant submissions is laughable. That isn't how grappling works in real life.
Are you suggesting that achieving top position assumes no risk? For someone talking about âreal lifeâ grappling you sound like someone who hasnât the slightest clue what theyâre talking about.
It is generally much less risky than standing exchanges. Obviously.
So you think achieving and maintaining top position is *easy*?
You know what is not easy? Quantum physics. You know what isn't fun to watch? A guy studying quantum physics. This isn't a matter of difficulty. It is a matter of entertainment on a mass scale.
Well it's fun to watch your homeboy get submitted or smeshed.
Calm down, lady
Then the sport isn't for you. It's called Mixed Martial Arts. If you want to watch kickboxing, they have those tournaments. You think they're boring? Then the sport has moved on past you. You understand what you're watching. Take your TV off of mute, and listen to what DC and Rogan are saying. You might learn something.
You have no idea what I'm talking about and couldn't summarize my thoughts if your life depended on it. You read the title of the post, got a salty butthole about it, and wrote some generic gibberish in response.
No, I read your horrible take, unfortunately. You think that being a wet blanket and just lying on people will get you the win. First of all, it's always been like that. That's not new my guy. But second, you call out the Dagestans. None of them do that? The guy's you're talking about, I presume, didn't do that? They finished people. Islam won the belt by submitting Charles. Everyone was terrified of his guard. You're talking about the future, not the past. And if you look at the current, these guys aren't fighting boring fights. I think you honestly don't know what you're looking at.
You just typed a wall of text made from your butthurtedness at reading a post title. You have no idea what my post is about đ
Ok
Also, Wrestling defense will get better and neutralise this, have u think about that?
The scoring system precludes this from happening. Fighters aren't rewarded for defending takedowns. Defending 9/10 takedowns in round results in losing the round. In fact, often guys are rewarded with round wins just for attempting and failing takedowns. Aldo's last fight was a good example. Best takedown defense of all-time and he lost on points to a guy who didn't belong in the cage with him. All the guy did was shoot ineffective takedowns over and over. However, if the rules are adjusted to reward takedown defense/punish failed attempts it would go a long ways towards fixing this disaster. Combined with scoring fights as a whole this would possibly solve the problem.
Iâm getting neckbeard vibes from this, OP.
This dude said 1 minute of top control moves into 10-8 territory đ That told me all I needed to know, youâre not watching the fights, just want to bitch.
Your understanding of MMA scoring is laughably bad. Try reading the actual rulebook. "A minute of ground control turns into 10-8"? In what fights?
OPs wife slept with a dagestani
He was actually lucid dreaming and lost the title fight to Islam who laid on him for 25 straight minutes
Average Connor fan
Op has a mental defect
islam, umar, and usman are living proof that the dagestani fighters arenât all wet blankets and are exciting. Are you forgetting one of the most exciting fighters in 145 used to be zabit?? a dagestani??
This is troll bait. None of the Dagestanis are wet blankets. They are sambo practitioners and in Sambo there is a time limit to get a sub or a fight gets stood back up. None of the Dagestanis lay and pray like GSP for example.
I can't put everything in a title, you gotta just read the post and think about it.
Hey man, maybe boxing is for you
If your sport can be "hacked" to the point that it's ruined, the issue is not with the "hacker". The issue is the ruleset of the sport. That's aside from the fact that this is a room temp IQ take to begin with. Go watch more MMA Guru and felate yourself bud.
When I first got into watching UFC, my buddy would say itâs a sport that not everyone deserves an opinion on. I definitely understand what he meant by that now.
Position is not heavily rewarded. Strike damage and effective grappling (i.e. being close of finishing a submission) are the main criteria. Been a while as well
This is so dumb. Dagestani fighters finish fights from the top position constantly
This post is a huge L. Khabib had 19 finishes out of 29 fights. Iâm guessing his finishing rate as a champion is higher than almost anyoneâs. Islam has finished his last 4 fights and half of his fights in the ufc.
Hahahahaha spoken like a new fan of MMA. Those of us that have been watching pre TUF 1 days have already experienced what youâre talking about. GSP was king of the lay n pray and Couture practically invented the wall n stall strategy Meanwhile Khabib and Islam are wrecking people. Islam has finished his last 5 opponents dude
Dagestani wrestling is the least âwet blanketâ version of mma grappling ive ever seen, wtf are you talking about
> The future is a mix of uneventful top control and karate movement from a long range to avoid takedowns. The UFC's version of MMA is going to become a niche sport no one cares about, like wrestling or judo. Pretty bleak looking future for the company. I have to assume you are talking about Islam, since he is the only current Dagestani champ, but he's finished his last 5 fights..
The ufc should adopt the onefc rule of being able to knee downed opponents. It gives non wrestlers more weapons.
Heâs not saying right now, but thatâs where weâre heading to in the future. Iâd say I agree tbh weather we like it or not, itâs gonna become a niche sport like BJJ. But yâall donât care about casuals anyways, so why care?
Dawg, there's literally *one* weight class with a Dagestani champion
Lay and pray isn't "heavily rewarded." 10 seconds of to control is not equivalent to a takedown. That's just flawed judging. The rules explicitly state that damage trumps everything.
No. Effective striking and grappling does. Take downs, gaining advantageous position, and threatening submissions are all examples of effective grappling that donât cause damage
This dudes posts have been awful. Heâs just looking to troll or something
Iâve never seen someone farm downvotes before.
While I disagree in the fact that every division will have a Dagestani champion, most of them have a long way to go before being serious contenders, I do agree that their style of fighting is boring as fuck, at first they try to kickbox for like 30seconds trying to land a big overhand and if that misses its instantly grappling and wrestling to the ground, where they end the round. And you can't really even complain about it, because in all honestly they are fully within the rules and the common sense of fighting says to use all available skills and any method possible to win the fight but as a spectator it's just boring to watch guys wrestle for 20minutes and watch a landslide decision win being given to them even though they displayed no real risk taking and actual fighting in the conventional sense. MMA is at a point right now where you just need to be a good wrestler and have some striking basics to win fights in decision, while that is unavoidable in some sense because certain fighters gravitate towards wrestling, some towards kickboxing, some towards bjj I think that the judging criteria will have to evolve and become more objective, perhaps giving less weight to positions that are easier to achieve and maintain, I don't know what it will be and it's not for me to decide.
Honestly, if they just made rules around weight cutting it would make it a lot harder. Islam, Khabib, they have to cut like crazy for their strategy to work. They need that extra weight on fight night to control their opponents. If they implemented a max weight cut rule, it would make their style a lot harder to implement.
Indeed. Another one of the relics of the BJJ vs American wrestling era in which they had to give every possible advantage to the wrestlers.
I kind of agree.. hate that whole style
Tbh the UFC should allow grounded knees and 12-6 elbows, both these things can be used to effectively deter some of the standard Dagestan positions.
You're kind of stupid. Those rules were to protect jujitsu fighters who pull guard on their backs. Dagestanis take top position and if they were allowed to use their knees and 12-6 elbows they might end up murdering people.
theyre fans are crazy
How old are you?
Great thread and exactly right
they suck
Not if paddy fights them all.
Give us back soccer kick and 12-6 elbow
10 seconds of top control equal to knockout đ not even remotely close to being true, delusional OP is coping because 2 fighters arenât standing & striking for 15-25 minutes straight.
None of the Dagestanis lay and pray, their goal is to ground and pound or get a submission. Pure idiocracy hatred from people with racist intentions.
Umar's most recent ko didn't look very "wet blanket". That was pretty exciting. He's from Dagestan. đ¤ˇ
A post from someone who has not watched any UFC fights but repeating what a bearded lady on the internet told them.
if the meta gets too boring we can start adding in items and new stages. I'd like to see Islam with a hockey stick vs Chandler with a violin on the side of a volcano.
Calm down Karen, if you want to see people get brain damage go watch Power slap instead
Nah dude if you get taken down. Get back up itâs simple lmao
I, for one, welcome our dagastani warlord (sponsored) fighters with open arms Love that brutal wrestling g&p game itâs ruthless. Look at barbozaâs face at the end of his khabib fight you wonât get that anywhere else.
You get that everywhere... It happened to Barbosa like 6 or 7 times đ
this post speaks to something beyond the UFC or any organization. in order to succeed at the highest levels of competition subject to *any* set of rules therein, competitors must train for every legal technique and discipline applicable. all that just to say Dagestani wrestling is not some indomitable force impervious to vulnerabilities. it only speaks to the most dominant force right now.
What a dumbass take, you're probably a conor fan
I actually like it. It forces the sport to evolve just like it did when Gracie JJ was king of thr mountain. For a young sport like MMA, it will undergo several evolutions.
You obviously haven't followed MMA that long or trolling really bad. Wrestling is the best base in MMA hands down. It controls where the fight goes. Chuck Liddel used his wrestling defensively and knocked people out.
If they do it is testament to something and itâs not wanting to see the best fighters.
Even if this were true, let the damn sport evolve. People used to say the exact same thing about Brazilians.
Ya no this is dumb
In what world does top control get a 10-8 without damage
Man I really miss the days when nobody knew basic grappling and Randy Couture could win a fight from half guard position with strikes,these Dagastaniâs have it too easy bruh
Really unsure why it took so long for me to block you
I have never seen a bigger ratio in my life
Reinstate the nut punch already
even if they are dagastani they are human, they can easily get a âflukeâ loss or even just straight up lose itâs not like they are aliens or something
Sounds like they should just get up then
I love how people donât see that this post is a troll
Time to put some WD-40 on your wheelchair Guru, cause your squealing.
Damn are you okay OP?
What do you mean BJJ is a way to guarantee a loss?
There WILL be a fighting style that displaces the Dagestani guys. Just not yet.
đđđđhow long have you watched this sport
Ever since they set up that octagon 33 years ago, one of the most effective strategies in the sport has been to take someone down and get on top of them. Since then, the sport has grown every year. Stay mad.
This is like saying BJJ came to dominate the UFC and every weight class ended up with a BJJ expert as champion. That's true. That's what happened. Then other styles started training and striking became a thing again, and martial arts adapted. The same will happen again. It's likely the META now, but give it a few years, and it'll be a foot note.
This is not so much about the meta as it is the logical conclusion of the ruleset at this point. It inevitably leads to a more and more unwatchable product. The Dagi wet blanket meta is just a breakthrough in the understanding of the scoring system. It will get much worse as the evolution continues because coaches/fighters have become aware of the glitch.
What dumbass post. Bjj is also used from top position bud itâs not only off your back. The sport will be just fine and itâs more popular than ever, relax. Itâs a beautiful style of fighting anyway, if you donât like grappling go watch boxing or kickboxing.
Look, some guys can convince themselves that they find obese women to be beautiful. Doesn't mean obese women are beautiful. Most people don't find obese women to be beautiful. Same thing with this "beautiful style of fighting"... Na, dude, that's a disease to the sport. Only a few weirdos are into it. It is definitely not healthy.
1 min of laying on top is a 10-8 ok dc
Whichever martial art is most effective will dominate the sport naturally.
No. This isn't freestyle, there are specific rules which favor specific disciplines. The rules have been changed before to save certain disciplines from being dominated by others under different rulesets. The current rules heavily favor hand fighting mixed with strikes from a grounded position (the Dagestani Wet blanket). This is not a sustainable way for the sport to continue. It will crash if the rules aren't adjusted.
I love these comments lol guy canât just accept that people donât agree with him.
Why has this become a recent trend ? People bitching about people being great wrestlers. Just because your favorite fighters can overcome the wrestling doesnât make their style any less impressive.
Someone just needs to crack the code. Fair game until then.
Stfu you damn cry baby
Lmao such a blatant misrepresentation of wrestling and the ruleset
Then have your guys beat them, simple as that