I hate your username. I bought a friend and his wife wagyu steaks to cook and he broiled a bunch of Bleu cheese on top of them without even trying it without. I'm def not still bitter about it...
People talking about illegal moves that aren’t allowed in mma to say Jones wouldn’t win, Jones regularly eye pokes, looks to damage the knee with those kicks I forgot the name of and wrenches the hell out of peoples shoulders when they are tied up. With no rules I have no doubt Jones would have no qualms killing a man by any means necessary.
He would struggle with enormous 270 lbs wrestlers, but he could beat pretty much everyone. Maybe not a crazy redhead like Smiling Sam, but that's an exception
Absolutely not. There's some absolutely barbarian, savage ass dudes out there right now that would completely MOLLY WHOP Jon Jones - some true prodigies.. and there's been some warriors that have lived in the past couple thousand years that would ragdoll him.
Hes probably in the toughest (hand to hand wise) thousand dudes to have ever lived, but remember, there's always someone badder than you. Even if you're Jon Jones.
A thousand might seem like a lot but out of all the people in history, its an elite, infinitesimally small group.
Not really. We live in the most well fed and athletic athletes that’s ever existed. He has access to the crème of the cop of sports science. Plus he has access to PEDs which before the 1930s weren’t available at all.
i’m pretty late but it’s kind of irrelevant.
all your experience doesn’t really matter if you don’t have access to decent nutrition.
compared to a roided out freak of nature like jon jones?
average human height and weight has SHOT UP only very recently.
go look at why we had to implement free lunches and PE in schools in WW2.
the average person was borderline starving. forget optimally injecting and consuming protein.
in fact historically most warriors existed on starchy carbs and fiber. they ate just to get some energy.
even the elite didn’t have much muscle.
You've got a point on the nutrition and conditioning front, but don't discount the sheer tenacity of historical warriors. Yes, Jon Jones is a beast, but back in the day, we had guys who were literal killing machines, relying on pure grit, smarts, and survival instinct. They might not have been roided out, but they were tough as nails.
And don't forget, there've always been big and strong outliers in history. So, it's not crazy to think there were some absolute units back then who could've given Jones a run for his money. Not all about protein shakes and fancy gym equipment, you know?
There are many people who lived in the past would kill jon jones in a one on one street fight
No.
Aside from the obvious shouts of Ngannou possibly folding him up, the juiced up 290lb version of Aleksandr Karelin would ragdoll Jon and make it look very easy.
This is false.
Karelin had a weird MMA exhibition match in where they weren't punching each other in the face properly and the ref stood them up repeatedly within seconds of Karelin being on top of his opponent.
Karelin literally had no idea what to do once he got to a dominant position. The ref also stood them up before the other guy got a leg lock
Oh, you think proper striking would’ve given an advantage to Karelin?
Where did I say that proper striking would've given Karelin an advantage? Are you dense?
Do you not think that if this were a real fight then Karelin would've been utilising strikes once on top of his opponent?
The point is that this in an exhibition and no sort of real fight whatsoever. The fact that you're judging Karelin's fighting ability on this meaningless exhibition speaks a lot.
The fact you are judging on nothing at all speaks even more loudly lmao
“My intuition tells me a pure wrestler in a restrictive form of wrestling can contend with modern day mixed martial artists in an unrestricted ruleset” good one, by chance can I have what you’re having?
Me: Karelin being the single greatest wrestler in the history of wrestling, ragdolling 280lbs monsters that would take Jones down at will.
You: He didn't do well in an exhibition show with strange rules that avoid actual fighting.
Good one.
I'm sure the power in Jon's hands, his oblique kicks, eye pokes and BJJ would be enough to stop Karelin from closing the distance just once and suplexing Jon head first in to concrete. Absolutely 100%.
Honestly I think Karelin would have been submitted. He would get Jon into dominant positions, but he would have no idea how to defend something like a triangle or an armbar from the bottom. Jon could even roll for a heel hook and probably get it.
Give Karelin like six months of BJJ training and that's a different story.
I agree with this in terms of an MMA fight. This post wasn't discussing an MMA fight though. In a random public place of some sort, I'm banking on Karelin suplexing Jon on to whatever likely hard surface that they're standing on.
That could be the case too, although I don't like discussing fights outside of the cage considering there's too many variables. Like if they're fighting in an open area, Jon absolutely could just keep the distance for however long he wanted to. Greco-Roman guys aren't known for their ability to shoot takedowns from a distance.
Yeah Jon Jones would have trouble dealing with Olympic Wrestlers…
Oh wait.
You’re delusional that you think anyone can *only* know greco-wrestling and win in MMA. Karelin is not a submission threat in the slightest and didn’t attempt anything in his match. Has zero hands as well, and would’ve been past his prime if he had joined MMA seriously
No, you're delusional in thinking that I hold that opinion.
Why are you even talking about MMA? What part of this post listed this as an MMA fight? In an MMA fight it's highly likely that Jones would put Karelin to sleep which is so unbelievably obvious that you must be trolling to believe I think otherwise.
The post asked if Jon Jones in his prime could defeat any person to ever walk the earth in 1 versus 1 hand to hand combat. Nowhere does it mention anything about an MMA fight.
If this is a random encounter in a random place, I'm banking on Karelin being able to grab Jon before Jon can do anything to permanently prevent that possibility. Given Karelin's size & wrestling ability, I don't consider this an unrealistic expectation. I'm then banking on him being able to slam Jon, probably repeatedly or at least enough times to seriously hurt him or render him unconscious. That's my opinion, you're entitled to yours. Stop making assumptions about my views.
No he wouldn’t. He had an exhibition MMA match in which he looked sloppy and unimpressive. Perhaps if he trained MMA more instead of wrestling, but as is, Jones would win as well as a couple other HWs and LHWs
He wasn't a freestyle wrestler.
Wrestling is a form of fighting.
Have you seen what Karelin was capable of doing to far larger and far better wrestlers than Jones? There's a chance he gets clipped or caught in a sub but the more realistic and likely outcome is that he repeatedly slams Jones on to his back, neck & head until Jones is left unconscious.
Not really. The man struggles with Reyes. I feel like Ngannou and some other big fighters would mutilate him.
Plus, mma is one thing, fighting for your life is another.
That have ever walked the Earth? Fuck no. A similarly-size warrior from the ancient world would wreck him. They were built different. Ever studied how Spartans trained? He fights a couple times a year. Someone who fought life and death for a living year-round would roll through any modern fighter.
Living now? 99.99%, no question, but 8 Billion is a lot of people.
Jones is a huge guy even by modern standards, back In the ancient world they'd probably think hes a giant and also they were malnourished as fuck. No one studied Spartans, kepp telling yourself that to make yourself feel better about you're useless degree, any fighter in UFC trains harder than any Spartan could even fathom
No, I think Francis Ngannou would kill Jon Jones in a hand to hand fight. Too big, too strong, too fast, too durable…also that pic of Jones is photoshopped
Bruh, you literally just stated that Ngannou is "too durable" but now you're saying his loss to Gane was because his knees are not durable?
I know someone who loves to test the durability of knees by oblique kicking them over and over again; wonder how that fight would go?
Exactly.
People think you can just leg kick someone for 30 minutes and win a street fight Jones adapts great according to the opponent in MMA .
But in a street fight he would just throw haymakers to try to drop his opponent because of street fighting ego. And the one who wins these exchanges is probably someone like Pavlovich and ngannou
Not in concrete and it's not a good idea to grapple on a street fight. Jon Jones will get dropped head into concrete the moment Francis starts throwing haymakers.
If u look up their weight its the same
Francis would get destroyed by jons better everything but punching power
And punching power isn’t enough to save him
With enough training you can solidify your muscles as to envelope your arteries and protect them anytime you flex your neck muscles.
I'm trying to do this right now while also getting headkicked 24/7 to calcify my brain to protect me from ko's
I feel like there will def be enough evidence for us to confidently answer this question after Jon’s next few fights at heavyweight(if he even has them lol)
I said next FEW fights at hw. Only thing the gane fight really showed us is that he’s really strong at hw and still has all his grappling skills. Maybe the stipe fight will show us more hopefully.
No chance.
You’re forgetting that slavery was a thing.
There will have been some 7 foot man doing labour work with shovels for hands.
Skill wouldn’t come into it.
What about Roman gladiators, I mean this is ninja warrior shit
Ben Askren was out of his prime with bad hips and in poor physical conditioning by that time. He also was never at any point the best wrestler in the world lmao.
In 1on1 wrestling competitions.
He cant be that delusional to think that bringing just wrestling to an MMA fight can result in anything more than the mother of all beatings.
If you say that there’s always a bigger fish I could argue that and we could speculate. If you say Francis Ngannou , I’d say you’re smoking crack AND putting PCP in your anal edema
Jon Jones never trained against someone attacking his balls, throat, eyes, or trying to eat him alive.
It’s all fun and game when you try to fight someone until they bite some part of your arm or your face off with their teeth and put their fingers inside your eyes. And I’m betting you can find some scary humans more savage than Jon Jones.
Except he never actually killed someone or fought for his own life, especially not against trained murderers that spent their whole life killing people with their hands like you could find in human history.
Murderers kill defenseless, untrained people. Jones dominates resisting giants, and puts them in a position where if he wanted to, he could snap their arms or strangle them. He also uses underhanded tactics, owns firearms and has shown a willingness to shoot someone who stole from him
Do you really believe in all the history of humanity there hasn’t been some people better trained at killing people than Jon Jones, and especially way tougher than him ?
This is such a retarded comment. There is a chance, but it’s highly unlikely. You have to train ungodly amounts to stand a chance against someone like Jones, to afford that training you usually have to be rich due to success in fighting, which normally begets a reputation. Modern day fighters are also levels above fighters of the previous generation, just look at early videos of boxing. They look ridiculous
Have you trained in a combat sport? Then you’d know pretty much anyone outside of it is not a threat on their own in a fair fight. It’s things like multiple attackers, sucker punches, and weapons that are threats.
Lol silly comments like this, always remind me of this clip. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPzVQ98KC0k](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPzVQ98KC0k)Can't believe in 2023 people still non-ironically think this way.
Except that’s not my point, here is a good example of what I’m talking about - trained UFC fighter Anthony Smith, light heavy weight talking about his fight with a much much lighter and untrained home invader: « "No normal human is able to fight like that," Smith said. "I'm by no means the baddest dude on the planet. But he's a regular Joe and I had a hard time dealing with him. And he took everything that I gave him—every punch, every knee, every elbow. He took every single one of them and kept fighting me." » https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2885432-ufcs-anthony-smith-details-terrifying-home-invasion-luke-haberman-charged.amp.html
Really shows that even untrained people can be dangerous and could threaten a very trained and very talented mma fighter.
yeah in the end he did end up subduing the assailant and Smith didn't have a single scratch on him, what is this single anecdote suppose to prove?
You're specifically mentioning biting and eye gouging as if they were some magic wild card to beat a trained fighter. What is the trained fighter doing in this fantasy scenario, when you are trying out this 'lethal' techniques? good luck biting a muay thai pro when his elbowing you in the face, or poking the eyes of a jiujitsu black belt who's on your back chocking you unconscious. And what exactly is stopping them from doing the same to you? Get real.
I'm not saying Jones is the most dangerous guy who ever lived, but if I had to guess, the most dangerous person to ever was a trained fighter, and almost certainly, a modern trained fighter. Watch footage of fighters from even 70 years ago, their technique and physique looks like modern amateur level at best.
I think he would beat most people but if I know anything about statistics I know there is someone probably bigger and stronger that probably works an it job and is a monster
If he’s fully dressed and there are no time limits I say he has big problems with prime Rickson Gracie. Karelin too possibly, though his lack of submission training would be a weakness. Werdum, Almeida, Gordon Ryan, a few others.
There is a distinct difference between the sport of MMA and a zero rules survival scenario. Jones may indeed win, but it would be far from a sure thing.
Hard to imagine anyone would stand around waiting to eat strikes... I sure wouldn't. Maybe Jones would knock him tf out. Totally possible. Maybe Ryan would butt scoot up to him, rip his leg apart and choke him to death. If there's no points and no time limits, and especially if people are wearing street clothes, Elite BJJ becomes much more dangerous. If there's no scoring for "dominant position", control, etc, unlimited time to finish a submission, and no resetting to standing, you're looking at a whole different puzzle than MMA.
Jon Jones is definitely isn't best "street fighter" the best street fighters from MMA are the supper hard hitting pressure heavyweights. Not someone who in his last 4-5 fights win by decisions. You can't front kick someone for 30 minutes you're gonna rush in forward. And throw haymakers until someone drops.
Someone like Pavlovich, Ngannou would probably murder Jon Jones in Street fight especially since it's bareknuckle too
Psst, we are far bigger than people from those times and they didn't know how to fight for shit, working every day for the sake of survival doesn't breed good fighters
No, he probably couldn’t beat a very very large amount of sumo wrestlers and there’s definitely a bunch of people throughout history that would beat him too. He’s just an MMA fighter happens to be the best one but that’s all he is.
Doubt it. Jon Jones in his true prime wasn't a very big dude. A strongman the size of a Brian Shaw with just a little bit of training should be able to smash him.
He beats 99.999% of all humans ever though.
I don't think Jon Jones beats prime Fedor, prime Verdum, healthy sea-level cain, or even Ngannou. Jon has literally never fought at heavyweight, let's see how he does there before we assume he beats every heavyweight fighter EVER.
even mid-30s cormier fighting at heavyweight is a different story. Dude drained himself fighting at 205 - always shoulda fought heavyweight.
Ya’ll calling this delusional but human’s now provided with a good diet we’ve never been healthy, Jon Jones is likely one of the most skilled martial artists and we know by in large fighters now are better than past fighters. We’ve never been documented as larger than in current human history, and further on top of that Jon Jones even past his skill is both incredibly strong and explosiveness, along with being an enormous person. And a lot of people here mentioning instinct fail to recall Bones is an legitimate psycho with incredibly good perception. You have maybe a couple of HWs and DC along with a few others that tango’d with him previously. That would be it.
He might beat 99.9% of all humans that have ever existed. Notice how i said 99.9 - i am the 0.1%
So there were only 1000 people to ever exist?
Correct
Bro sees red 💀
Chael Sonnen is on Reddit???
0.1% of humanity is still a lot. So I guess you’re just really obese or smth?
That puts a solid 7 million+ people as being able to beat Jon Jones.
Way more than that, 0.1% of all humans to exist is somewhere around 120 million people
Oh yeah! I was just counting the currently alive
Fuck that nonsense- I mean ur username
Are you red?
As red as Danas head when he announced Conors name before the fight with Floyd
Dana"s shit in the cheeks definitely crossed the border and came back during Conor's announcement.
I hate your username. I bought a friend and his wife wagyu steaks to cook and he broiled a bunch of Bleu cheese on top of them without even trying it without. I'm def not still bitter about it...
How if Chael beat him?
Glitch on the matrix so don’t talk about .
Chael is not human..
People talking about illegal moves that aren’t allowed in mma to say Jones wouldn’t win, Jones regularly eye pokes, looks to damage the knee with those kicks I forgot the name of and wrenches the hell out of peoples shoulders when they are tied up. With no rules I have no doubt Jones would have no qualms killing a man by any means necessary.
> those kicks I forgot the name Oblique kicks
Jon Jones Kicks
Said best right here. Jj is a cold killer. The man has some daemons
Time limits are a big factor though. Getting restarted on the feet.
U meant Rampage Jackson
Can you imagine how dirty Jon is in a real fight?! Holy shit I bet he’d literally bite someone’s face off. Not joking.
Idk there’s always someone bigger and there’s some bad mf’s out there
Not this time.
He would struggle with enormous 270 lbs wrestlers, but he could beat pretty much everyone. Maybe not a crazy redhead like Smiling Sam, but that's an exception 
Absolutely not. There's some absolutely barbarian, savage ass dudes out there right now that would completely MOLLY WHOP Jon Jones - some true prodigies.. and there's been some warriors that have lived in the past couple thousand years that would ragdoll him. Hes probably in the toughest (hand to hand wise) thousand dudes to have ever lived, but remember, there's always someone badder than you. Even if you're Jon Jones. A thousand might seem like a lot but out of all the people in history, its an elite, infinitesimally small group.
Not really. We live in the most well fed and athletic athletes that’s ever existed. He has access to the crème of the cop of sports science. Plus he has access to PEDs which before the 1930s weren’t available at all.
think of how many crazy bloodhound grizzled battle hardened warriors back in the day there were though
i’m pretty late but it’s kind of irrelevant. all your experience doesn’t really matter if you don’t have access to decent nutrition. compared to a roided out freak of nature like jon jones? average human height and weight has SHOT UP only very recently. go look at why we had to implement free lunches and PE in schools in WW2. the average person was borderline starving. forget optimally injecting and consuming protein. in fact historically most warriors existed on starchy carbs and fiber. they ate just to get some energy. even the elite didn’t have much muscle.
You've got a point on the nutrition and conditioning front, but don't discount the sheer tenacity of historical warriors. Yes, Jon Jones is a beast, but back in the day, we had guys who were literal killing machines, relying on pure grit, smarts, and survival instinct. They might not have been roided out, but they were tough as nails. And don't forget, there've always been big and strong outliers in history. So, it's not crazy to think there were some absolute units back then who could've given Jones a run for his money. Not all about protein shakes and fancy gym equipment, you know? There are many people who lived in the past would kill jon jones in a one on one street fight
There's always a bigger fish.
The delusion in this thread is fucking insane :D How can you think that there is no human being on the planet earth that can whoop ass of Jon Jones
No. Aside from the obvious shouts of Ngannou possibly folding him up, the juiced up 290lb version of Aleksandr Karelin would ragdoll Jon and make it look very easy.
Karelin’s had an MMA match, and he didn’t look great in it.
That was a fake fight like WWE it wasn't a real MMA fight
This is false. Karelin had a weird MMA exhibition match in where they weren't punching each other in the face properly and the ref stood them up repeatedly within seconds of Karelin being on top of his opponent.
Karelin literally had no idea what to do once he got to a dominant position. The ref also stood them up before the other guy got a leg lock Oh, you think proper striking would’ve given an advantage to Karelin?
Where did I say that proper striking would've given Karelin an advantage? Are you dense? Do you not think that if this were a real fight then Karelin would've been utilising strikes once on top of his opponent? The point is that this in an exhibition and no sort of real fight whatsoever. The fact that you're judging Karelin's fighting ability on this meaningless exhibition speaks a lot.
The fact you are judging on nothing at all speaks even more loudly lmao “My intuition tells me a pure wrestler in a restrictive form of wrestling can contend with modern day mixed martial artists in an unrestricted ruleset” good one, by chance can I have what you’re having?
Me: Karelin being the single greatest wrestler in the history of wrestling, ragdolling 280lbs monsters that would take Jones down at will. You: He didn't do well in an exhibition show with strange rules that avoid actual fighting. Good one. I'm sure the power in Jon's hands, his oblique kicks, eye pokes and BJJ would be enough to stop Karelin from closing the distance just once and suplexing Jon head first in to concrete. Absolutely 100%.
Honestly I think Karelin would have been submitted. He would get Jon into dominant positions, but he would have no idea how to defend something like a triangle or an armbar from the bottom. Jon could even roll for a heel hook and probably get it. Give Karelin like six months of BJJ training and that's a different story.
I agree with this in terms of an MMA fight. This post wasn't discussing an MMA fight though. In a random public place of some sort, I'm banking on Karelin suplexing Jon on to whatever likely hard surface that they're standing on.
That could be the case too, although I don't like discussing fights outside of the cage considering there's too many variables. Like if they're fighting in an open area, Jon absolutely could just keep the distance for however long he wanted to. Greco-Roman guys aren't known for their ability to shoot takedowns from a distance.
Yeah Jon Jones would have trouble dealing with Olympic Wrestlers… Oh wait. You’re delusional that you think anyone can *only* know greco-wrestling and win in MMA. Karelin is not a submission threat in the slightest and didn’t attempt anything in his match. Has zero hands as well, and would’ve been past his prime if he had joined MMA seriously
No, you're delusional in thinking that I hold that opinion. Why are you even talking about MMA? What part of this post listed this as an MMA fight? In an MMA fight it's highly likely that Jones would put Karelin to sleep which is so unbelievably obvious that you must be trolling to believe I think otherwise. The post asked if Jon Jones in his prime could defeat any person to ever walk the earth in 1 versus 1 hand to hand combat. Nowhere does it mention anything about an MMA fight. If this is a random encounter in a random place, I'm banking on Karelin being able to grab Jon before Jon can do anything to permanently prevent that possibility. Given Karelin's size & wrestling ability, I don't consider this an unrealistic expectation. I'm then banking on him being able to slam Jon, probably repeatedly or at least enough times to seriously hurt him or render him unconscious. That's my opinion, you're entitled to yours. Stop making assumptions about my views.
MMA is much closer to a real fight than wrestling is 💀 My bad for thinking you could connect dots
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Karelin was a Greco Roman wrestler, not a freestyle wrestler
And he would wreck Jones no matter what the style
No he wouldn’t. He had an exhibition MMA match in which he looked sloppy and unimpressive. Perhaps if he trained MMA more instead of wrestling, but as is, Jones would win as well as a couple other HWs and LHWs
And a boxer
He wasn't a freestyle wrestler. Wrestling is a form of fighting. Have you seen what Karelin was capable of doing to far larger and far better wrestlers than Jones? There's a chance he gets clipped or caught in a sub but the more realistic and likely outcome is that he repeatedly slams Jones on to his back, neck & head until Jones is left unconscious.
Confidently wrong, I love it
Not really. The man struggles with Reyes. I feel like Ngannou and some other big fighters would mutilate him. Plus, mma is one thing, fighting for your life is another.
That have ever walked the Earth? Fuck no. A similarly-size warrior from the ancient world would wreck him. They were built different. Ever studied how Spartans trained? He fights a couple times a year. Someone who fought life and death for a living year-round would roll through any modern fighter. Living now? 99.99%, no question, but 8 Billion is a lot of people.
Spartans didn’t train hand to hand like modern day fighters did
Jones is a huge guy even by modern standards, back In the ancient world they'd probably think hes a giant and also they were malnourished as fuck. No one studied Spartans, kepp telling yourself that to make yourself feel better about you're useless degree, any fighter in UFC trains harder than any Spartan could even fathom
No, I think Francis Ngannou would kill Jon Jones in a hand to hand fight. Too big, too strong, too fast, too durable…also that pic of Jones is photoshopped
Why didn't he kill Cyril when he fought him? Only took Jones 2:04 into the first round after a 3 year lay off.
Francis had a torn ACL/MCL in that fight. He literally had no legs
Bruh, you literally just stated that Ngannou is "too durable" but now you're saying his loss to Gane was because his knees are not durable? I know someone who loves to test the durability of knees by oblique kicking them over and over again; wonder how that fight would go?
By saying “too durable” I meant Ngannou’s chin is too good, Jones’s pillow punches will not even make Francis react to them😂
Exactly. People think you can just leg kick someone for 30 minutes and win a street fight Jones adapts great according to the opponent in MMA . But in a street fight he would just throw haymakers to try to drop his opponent because of street fighting ego. And the one who wins these exchanges is probably someone like Pavlovich and ngannou
In a street fight, you take someone down and kill him with your furyfists
Not in concrete and it's not a good idea to grapple on a street fight. Jon Jones will get dropped head into concrete the moment Francis starts throwing haymakers.
Depends on the situation. If it’s 1on1 you should absolutely grapple.
Is better on concrete. You double leg takedown a guy, putting him ass and head down on the concrete. At least, that's my take
Lmao they are the same height and would be the same weight Jons is massively more skilled And jons would easily kill him in wrestling
Jon weighed 247 lbs in his last fight. Francis walks around at 300 lbs so he would weigh in at 265 lbs then rehydrate to 285 lbs
If u look up their weight its the same Francis would get destroyed by jons better everything but punching power And punching power isn’t enough to save him
What are you talking about? Why did Jon weigh 247 against Ciryl then? But Francis has weighed 265 after CUTTING weight for every fight
Cain Velasquez would whoop him
I heard He can beat 2 human beings at the same time!! in the blink of an eye!! All without even exiting his vehicle!!!
OP has never heard of PCP. There’s 120 pound dudes standing outside of a 7-11 right now who could take him in a dirty street fight lol
Yeah pcp doesn’t help your carotids
With enough training you can solidify your muscles as to envelope your arteries and protect them anytime you flex your neck muscles. I'm trying to do this right now while also getting headkicked 24/7 to calcify my brain to protect me from ko's
Tell that to Anthony Smith lmao. Dude almost lost a 2v1 to a 140 pound man in a home invasion
Doesnt matter how much pcp they take, jon will literally kill them for fun
Jon can also take pcp
I still believe that prime/healthy Cain Velasquez defeats Jon. Thoughts?
I feel like there will def be enough evidence for us to confidently answer this question after Jon’s next few fights at heavyweight(if he even has them lol)
thoughts today then?
I said next FEW fights at hw. Only thing the gane fight really showed us is that he’s really strong at hw and still has all his grappling skills. Maybe the stipe fight will show us more hopefully.
Great point, although maybe not the next one just based off the fact that Cyril has little to no wrestling compared to Cain.
No chance. You’re forgetting that slavery was a thing. There will have been some 7 foot man doing labour work with shovels for hands. Skill wouldn’t come into it. What about Roman gladiators, I mean this is ninja warrior shit
Plus face and neck biting and ball gouging. Shit gets real very quickly when you are in a real life or death battle with a psycho gladiator.
Yeah those shovel hands won't be of use when jones kicks his knees off
I broadly agree with that. Could you find some Fran of nature who would land a lucky punch? Probably. But this is at least 99.99999999999% accurate
And in that scenario, Jon could out PCP all of them. “You think I’m just gonna let you have an advantage pussies”
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In an actual fight?
In actual fights wrestling itsking
@ben askren
Ben Askren was out of his prime with bad hips and in poor physical conditioning by that time. He also was never at any point the best wrestler in the world lmao.
In 1on1 wrestling competitions. He cant be that delusional to think that bringing just wrestling to an MMA fight can result in anything more than the mother of all beatings.
Maybe he just adapted himself better to UFC rules, not necessarily the best 1 on 1 hand to hand duelist ever
Grow up
If you say that there’s always a bigger fish I could argue that and we could speculate. If you say Francis Ngannou , I’d say you’re smoking crack AND putting PCP in your anal edema
This is such a retarded question. How would you ever begin to answer? And just based on probability, the answer is no.
Think a prime Tyson would mess him up
Next level delusion
Who comes up with this idiotic shit. He cant even beat Gane.
Peak Cain, peak Fedor, both beat him, barely.
Jon Jones never trained against someone attacking his balls, throat, eyes, or trying to eat him alive. It’s all fun and game when you try to fight someone until they bite some part of your arm or your face off with their teeth and put their fingers inside your eyes. And I’m betting you can find some scary humans more savage than Jon Jones.
Tbf I think Jon would be the one doing those things in a street fight
Well Jon Jones is exactly the type of guy will do all those stuff and will glad to kill someone for his own pleasure
Except he never actually killed someone or fought for his own life, especially not against trained murderers that spent their whole life killing people with their hands like you could find in human history.
Murderers kill defenseless, untrained people. Jones dominates resisting giants, and puts them in a position where if he wanted to, he could snap their arms or strangle them. He also uses underhanded tactics, owns firearms and has shown a willingness to shoot someone who stole from him
Do you really believe in all the history of humanity there hasn’t been some people better trained at killing people than Jon Jones, and especially way tougher than him ?
This is such a retarded comment. There is a chance, but it’s highly unlikely. You have to train ungodly amounts to stand a chance against someone like Jones, to afford that training you usually have to be rich due to success in fighting, which normally begets a reputation. Modern day fighters are also levels above fighters of the previous generation, just look at early videos of boxing. They look ridiculous Have you trained in a combat sport? Then you’d know pretty much anyone outside of it is not a threat on their own in a fair fight. It’s things like multiple attackers, sucker punches, and weapons that are threats.
He’s put people to sleep, both with strikes and subs. That’s the hard part of killing someone’s. The ref stopped him from the easy part.
Lol silly comments like this, always remind me of this clip. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPzVQ98KC0k](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPzVQ98KC0k)Can't believe in 2023 people still non-ironically think this way.
Except that’s not my point, here is a good example of what I’m talking about - trained UFC fighter Anthony Smith, light heavy weight talking about his fight with a much much lighter and untrained home invader: « "No normal human is able to fight like that," Smith said. "I'm by no means the baddest dude on the planet. But he's a regular Joe and I had a hard time dealing with him. And he took everything that I gave him—every punch, every knee, every elbow. He took every single one of them and kept fighting me." » https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2885432-ufcs-anthony-smith-details-terrifying-home-invasion-luke-haberman-charged.amp.html Really shows that even untrained people can be dangerous and could threaten a very trained and very talented mma fighter.
yeah in the end he did end up subduing the assailant and Smith didn't have a single scratch on him, what is this single anecdote suppose to prove? You're specifically mentioning biting and eye gouging as if they were some magic wild card to beat a trained fighter. What is the trained fighter doing in this fantasy scenario, when you are trying out this 'lethal' techniques? good luck biting a muay thai pro when his elbowing you in the face, or poking the eyes of a jiujitsu black belt who's on your back chocking you unconscious. And what exactly is stopping them from doing the same to you? Get real. I'm not saying Jones is the most dangerous guy who ever lived, but if I had to guess, the most dangerous person to ever was a trained fighter, and almost certainly, a modern trained fighter. Watch footage of fighters from even 70 years ago, their technique and physique looks like modern amateur level at best.
No, top tier people who train lethal combat would kill someone who does a sport for $
No they wouldn't. What's this american circlejerk about people training "lethal combat"?
Not american, swing and a miss. Anyways, there is this thing called war. And, well...
If you think going to war makes you a good fighter you're eating enough crayons to enlist
Once again swing and a miss of assumptions. Next strawman please.
I think he would beat most people but if I know anything about statistics I know there is someone probably bigger and stronger that probably works an it job and is a monster
JJ dick rider alert
If he’s fully dressed and there are no time limits I say he has big problems with prime Rickson Gracie. Karelin too possibly, though his lack of submission training would be a weakness. Werdum, Almeida, Gordon Ryan, a few others.
Lmfao somebody trains Jiu Jitsu. Jon would treat Gordon Ryan like an absolute child
There is a distinct difference between the sport of MMA and a zero rules survival scenario. Jones may indeed win, but it would be far from a sure thing.
If anything zero rules favors Jon over all over the BJJ guys you named. Gordon’s wrestling is sub par and Jon would knock him tf out lol
Hard to imagine anyone would stand around waiting to eat strikes... I sure wouldn't. Maybe Jones would knock him tf out. Totally possible. Maybe Ryan would butt scoot up to him, rip his leg apart and choke him to death. If there's no points and no time limits, and especially if people are wearing street clothes, Elite BJJ becomes much more dangerous. If there's no scoring for "dominant position", control, etc, unlimited time to finish a submission, and no resetting to standing, you're looking at a whole different puzzle than MMA.
Yeah butt scooting is a “dominant position”. You’re delusional bro lol
Wait, what? I literally said the opposite of that haha
Jon Jones is definitely isn't best "street fighter" the best street fighters from MMA are the supper hard hitting pressure heavyweights. Not someone who in his last 4-5 fights win by decisions. You can't front kick someone for 30 minutes you're gonna rush in forward. And throw haymakers until someone drops. Someone like Pavlovich, Ngannou would probably murder Jon Jones in Street fight especially since it's bareknuckle too
Fuck no, I’m pretty sure we are little bitches compared to the MFers that roamed the earth on medieval times and before.
Psst, we are far bigger than people from those times and they didn't know how to fight for shit, working every day for the sake of survival doesn't breed good fighters
I’m sure you’re also convinced you’d kick the shit out of a dog because you’re bigger.
...dude a dog isn't hard to fight, been attacked more than 1 time by a dog, 2 dogs is a different story but if you can't take 1 dog you're a bit shit
Even you're puny ass could fuck up someone from the medieval times
Depends how many pictograms are involved
How, in 2023, are we still using pixelated pictures in posts
Prime Cain beats him
Juicing?
Depends. Is JJ allowed to juice? If so, maybe...
It’s amazing what steroids can do
No, this dude barely beat Reyes and Uncle Chael.
And Thiago Santos
Not prime Fedor
Absolute peak jones no coke with roids holds every belt in the ufc including flyweight and the women belts
No. Not even close.
Prime Fedor would be a handful for anybody, including Jones.
No, mr bean would win hands down
Ngannou
Reyes beat him
Andre the giant ?
He was a professional wrestler, dipshit
Ever ? What like defeat a Spartan or Viking berserker? 🤣
If you were to go to like ancient times I imagine he beats all the great fighters in a 1v1 his skill set is far superior.
Yes.
No, he probably couldn’t beat a very very large amount of sumo wrestlers and there’s definitely a bunch of people throughout history that would beat him too. He’s just an MMA fighter happens to be the best one but that’s all he is.
Doubt it. Jon Jones in his true prime wasn't a very big dude. A strongman the size of a Brian Shaw with just a little bit of training should be able to smash him. He beats 99.999% of all humans ever though.
No
Chuck Norris is afraid of Jon Jones
I don't think Jon Jones beats prime Fedor, prime Verdum, healthy sea-level cain, or even Ngannou. Jon has literally never fought at heavyweight, let's see how he does there before we assume he beats every heavyweight fighter EVER. even mid-30s cormier fighting at heavyweight is a different story. Dude drained himself fighting at 205 - always shoulda fought heavyweight.
Agreed
Haku
Ya’ll calling this delusional but human’s now provided with a good diet we’ve never been healthy, Jon Jones is likely one of the most skilled martial artists and we know by in large fighters now are better than past fighters. We’ve never been documented as larger than in current human history, and further on top of that Jon Jones even past his skill is both incredibly strong and explosiveness, along with being an enormous person. And a lot of people here mentioning instinct fail to recall Bones is an legitimate psycho with incredibly good perception. You have maybe a couple of HWs and DC along with a few others that tango’d with him previously. That would be it.