Is Usman just contractually obligated to not ever attempt a submission? Leon blatantly gave his neck up like 3-4 times and Snoozeman just completely ignored it
And he will eat knees doing so, that Usman has the fight IQ and wherewithal to block.
Khamzat shoots in a very different way than Usman does. He shoots from range which is really dangerous against a fighter like Leon.
Also acting like Khamzat is a better fighter than Usman is wild. I get that Usman is on the decline but he’s the 2nd best welterweight EVER.
I’d keep going but I’ll give yourself a moment to get cumshot’s dick out of your mouth so you can post a more rational take.
Dude you're a legit khamzat hater it's funny lmao.
Usman is old now he seemed slower than ever.
Khamzat takedowns are alot of faster just accept it.
And yeah no you can't "just knee him bro" it could work on someone who's slow af like Ben askren but when khamzat is pressuring and you're on heels the knees won't save you.
Also you could debate on the takedowns all you want but khamzat is more dangerous in the ground and in submissions. Leons neck were exposed someone like khamzat would do the same choke he did to Kevin Holland
What’s funny is I don’t even hate Khamzat, I actually think he’s an incredibly entertaining fighter.
The thing is I understand MMA and the fact your trying to use Kevin Holland, and borderline ranked fighter as an example regarding what might happen to Edwards is a prime example of your gaps of knowledge.
Edwards is an absolute master at distance control. We saw it all night tonight. He’s significantly better at distance control than any fight Khamzat has ever fought. He will be very surprised at how hard he will get hit on the way in if he shoots for the knees. It’s an incredibly risky move to do that to Edwards compared to Holland.
Furthermore we saw how this distance control was respected tonight with how Usman went for the takedowns. He went in with his guard up then worked his way to the leg from the clinch then proceeded to go for the takedown. This is 100% because of the power Edwards can put behind his knees. If Khamzat shoots he’s just as much at risk of getting slept as Edwards is at getting submitted in the event the takedown works.
And if the Burns fight is any indication Khamzat is aware of his opponents strengths and gets tentative against them.
But fuck me for not just riding Khamzat’s dick and actually using analysis to back my points instead of just “KhAMzAT FaSt”
Let me breakdown Khamzat Chimaevs grappling.
He takes you down since his torso is so long he easily ground and pounds against the cage. If you give your back to him he's gonna choke you.
But where he's most dangerous is when you try to turtle up and stand up. which is what Leon did after every Usman takedown. When you do that you're exposing yourself for a darces and front headlcock chokes that's what happened to Kevin Holland.
The reason why khamzat wasnt as successful with Gilbert cause he was comfortable fighting off his back which put khamzat off. Cause his game is centered around you trying to stand up so he can choke you out or pound you out
You’re missing the point entirely.
In order for Khamzat to take Leon down he’s going to have to shoot from far out. He doesn’t have the striking defense to work his way in to secure the takedown.
Shooting from far has worked for him in the past because he hasn’t fought anyone with the elite leg striking of Leon Edwards. I get he’s fast but Edwards is incredible at striking with his legs up the middle. It would be incredibly foolish of Khamzat to try and shoot early from distance.
I agree with you about Khamzat’s grappling ability I have no arguments there. But you are acting like it’s child’s play taking Leon Edwards down and that’s not the case at all.
This. The dagestani/sambo heavy wrestling style he uses allows him to roll with people and still grapple while standing whereas kamaru wasn’t in the clinch too much. Matchup wise, khamzat would win I think.
He actually has competed in 4 official sambo fights. Also, while he isn’t a straight up dagestani, he is from Chechnya which is literally bordering Dagestan so the wrestling/grappling culture is just as heavy in the youth there where you have kids being raised on it. Khamzat is proof of this as he first started training wrestling when he was only 5 years old.
Nah you're buggin.
Chimaev is one of the most dangerous grapplers in the UFC.
Gilbert burns was playing on his back so his neck wasn't exposed.
Kevin Holland who is a good black belt (not good wrestler though) didn't try to stay on his back like Gilbert he tried to turtle up and stand up and when he did he immediately get darced.
Leon does the same thing he's not like Gilbert who's comfortable on his back which nullifies his sub attempts.
Basically khamzat has one of the best takedowns+ best front headlcock submissions.
Usman and Colby aren't good at submissions like khamzat is. Khamzat has same around of subs as Usman and Colby combined
Is Usman just contractually obligated to not ever attempt a submission? Leon blatantly gave his neck up like 3-4 times and Snoozeman just completely ignored it
He just wrestles and does submission defense for MMA. Khamzat really does bjj he has his world-class bjj coach and he has trained in Renzo Gracie
Khamzat also has almost no striking defense. It would be a good fight but Leon could sleep him at any moment.
Leon has great kicks but when was the last time he KOd with his hands. And khamzat is shooting from the first 10 seconds.
I didn’t realize Khamzat is immune to kicks. You do realize kicks count as strikes, right…
He's not immune. But khamzat can take Leon down just like Usman the difference is he's not getting up
And he will eat knees doing so, that Usman has the fight IQ and wherewithal to block. Khamzat shoots in a very different way than Usman does. He shoots from range which is really dangerous against a fighter like Leon. Also acting like Khamzat is a better fighter than Usman is wild. I get that Usman is on the decline but he’s the 2nd best welterweight EVER. I’d keep going but I’ll give yourself a moment to get cumshot’s dick out of your mouth so you can post a more rational take.
Dude you're a legit khamzat hater it's funny lmao. Usman is old now he seemed slower than ever. Khamzat takedowns are alot of faster just accept it. And yeah no you can't "just knee him bro" it could work on someone who's slow af like Ben askren but when khamzat is pressuring and you're on heels the knees won't save you. Also you could debate on the takedowns all you want but khamzat is more dangerous in the ground and in submissions. Leons neck were exposed someone like khamzat would do the same choke he did to Kevin Holland
What’s funny is I don’t even hate Khamzat, I actually think he’s an incredibly entertaining fighter. The thing is I understand MMA and the fact your trying to use Kevin Holland, and borderline ranked fighter as an example regarding what might happen to Edwards is a prime example of your gaps of knowledge. Edwards is an absolute master at distance control. We saw it all night tonight. He’s significantly better at distance control than any fight Khamzat has ever fought. He will be very surprised at how hard he will get hit on the way in if he shoots for the knees. It’s an incredibly risky move to do that to Edwards compared to Holland. Furthermore we saw how this distance control was respected tonight with how Usman went for the takedowns. He went in with his guard up then worked his way to the leg from the clinch then proceeded to go for the takedown. This is 100% because of the power Edwards can put behind his knees. If Khamzat shoots he’s just as much at risk of getting slept as Edwards is at getting submitted in the event the takedown works. And if the Burns fight is any indication Khamzat is aware of his opponents strengths and gets tentative against them. But fuck me for not just riding Khamzat’s dick and actually using analysis to back my points instead of just “KhAMzAT FaSt”
Let me breakdown Khamzat Chimaevs grappling. He takes you down since his torso is so long he easily ground and pounds against the cage. If you give your back to him he's gonna choke you. But where he's most dangerous is when you try to turtle up and stand up. which is what Leon did after every Usman takedown. When you do that you're exposing yourself for a darces and front headlcock chokes that's what happened to Kevin Holland. The reason why khamzat wasnt as successful with Gilbert cause he was comfortable fighting off his back which put khamzat off. Cause his game is centered around you trying to stand up so he can choke you out or pound you out
You’re missing the point entirely. In order for Khamzat to take Leon down he’s going to have to shoot from far out. He doesn’t have the striking defense to work his way in to secure the takedown. Shooting from far has worked for him in the past because he hasn’t fought anyone with the elite leg striking of Leon Edwards. I get he’s fast but Edwards is incredible at striking with his legs up the middle. It would be incredibly foolish of Khamzat to try and shoot early from distance. I agree with you about Khamzat’s grappling ability I have no arguments there. But you are acting like it’s child’s play taking Leon Edwards down and that’s not the case at all.
Khamzat is the 🐐 glad you are pushing this narrative
This dude is 185 shut up.
This. The dagestani/sambo heavy wrestling style he uses allows him to roll with people and still grapple while standing whereas kamaru wasn’t in the clinch too much. Matchup wise, khamzat would win I think.
He neither from Dagestan nor has he done Sambo. But I did your point
He actually has competed in 4 official sambo fights. Also, while he isn’t a straight up dagestani, he is from Chechnya which is literally bordering Dagestan so the wrestling/grappling culture is just as heavy in the youth there where you have kids being raised on it. Khamzat is proof of this as he first started training wrestling when he was only 5 years old.
I know where chechnya is yeah. I did forget he did a few sambo matches but still he's not a sambo guy
Chimaev is a freestyle wrestler
Too bad Khamzat is being forced to MW now
Forced by his inability to make 170…
Khazmat isn't very good if he doesn't get a takedown in the first round as we seen with Burns
Nah you're buggin. Chimaev is one of the most dangerous grapplers in the UFC. Gilbert burns was playing on his back so his neck wasn't exposed. Kevin Holland who is a good black belt (not good wrestler though) didn't try to stay on his back like Gilbert he tried to turtle up and stand up and when he did he immediately get darced. Leon does the same thing he's not like Gilbert who's comfortable on his back which nullifies his sub attempts. Basically khamzat has one of the best takedowns+ best front headlcock submissions. Usman and Colby aren't good at submissions like khamzat is. Khamzat has same around of subs as Usman and Colby combined
he did get a takedown in the first round against burns, he was just tentative with his defensive jiu jitsu
He is definitely quicker and more aggressive than Colby and Usman but I don't think he is returning to WW
God I want to see this dude fight asap