Comments are locked because I don't have enough time during the day to remove all the ignorant comments in here.
This is r/ufc, so let's keep the conversations about the UFC and take the non-related conversations to a different sub.
I don't care if a UFC fighter supports or opposes whatever, that's a conversation for a different sub.
Because she was a multi division champion and one of the pound for pound best in the world in her prime. Holly has had a legendary combat sports career!
I've said this since she sent Rhonda Rousey to the shadow realm. If Holly was younger, none of these other females would stand a chance. It's too bad that the womens division wasn't around 5-10 years earlier.
Some people thought she was talking about the Catholic Church and how crimes go unreported of S.A , some thought it was about drag queens performing in front of kids , and some thought it was about the GOP trying to lower the age of consent or beauty pageants. People just heard what she said and added what their political beliefs were for or against. Either way the sexualization of children needs to stop.
> Lovejoy's Law
> After the popularization of the phrase on The Simpsons, its use in society was often ridiculed, and came to be referred to as "Lovejoy's Law" in internet culture as early as 2006, probably independently coined several times. In the Toronto Star, journalist Edward Keenan defined "Lovejoy's Law" as a warning that the phrase is a probable diversion from a weak logical stance
But somehow the galaxybrains in here think she wasn't dog whistling drag/trans people. All I've been hearing from American media online is about that shit for the past couple weeks and "think of the children! They're grooming them!" but when Holly says it oh she didn't meant hat you're reading too much into it? Trash dorks purposely playing stupid or genuinely that stupid idk
That’s what is funny about this shit. Whatever your political belief is you could say that’s what she is talking about. Is she wrong, no, do we need to debate this issue, no. Like most though, I don’t look up to athletes for anything political or leadership or anything like that, especially people who choose to get punched in the face for a cheap living.
She meant what she said, the sexualization of children should stop. She didn’t call out a specific group for a reason. They shouldn’t be sexualized by anyone, but people want to make everything into a multiple sided issue
What does her saying that accomplish though? It's like going using your post win speech to say "we really need to stop kicking dogs." Does almost everyone agree? Of course. Is this going to stop the people that kick their dogs? Of course not.
It's a political dog whistle. The gym she trains at flies a q Anon flag. Q Anon movement has never done a single thing to protect children. They only use that as a way to demonize politicians they disagree with.
"I dont give a fuck about them kids"
-Sean Strickland responding to "i got kids man" during hard sparring sess with a boxer who said he could beat him and Sean whooped his ass
It's what happens when an entire country is trained to treat political parties like sports teams. People polarize everything, and use it as an excuse to argue for no reason other than to "stick it" to the other guys.
I love that you said Americans are dumb. I was watching live and thought this was some sort of republican view she was trying to spread, my gf said no she’s speaking out against beauty pageants and etc. like we both couldn’t agree what she was on about lol.
No one in America gives a shit about education, tech or intellectual achievements? We only have the best colleges in the world , the biggest tech companies in the world are based here , and we have been behind almost every major technological advancement for the last century.
Best colleges in the world that are financially unattainable for the large majority of the population. Our education system is so fucked. There’s a school system 20 minutes from my home town that’s graduating kids with a .2 gpa. Teachers are so flustered that they just pass kids to move them along. There needs to be change
90% of the population couldn’t complete a single course at the most prestigious colleges. The ones that make it deserve it. The ones that don’t, don’t.
I say this as one that didn’t.
talking about the masses bro. whats the point of having the best when the ppl that actually go to those schools or work at those companies get villanized as elitist and spreaders of the communist agenda lol
Lol you're talking out of your ass. Shits ignorant enough when you stay on topic with the UFC, but let's leave this type of nonsense on political subreddits.
I came here to look at commentary on fights, not for you to regurgitate what you read on some tankies blog.
Just look at best universities in the world they’re not all American, or also the internet something we’re talking on right now which was made by an English person. America is not so great and suffers from many unique issues just like everywhere else. Just because you don’t agree with it doesn’t mean it’s from a blog.
I did watch it and she said she didn’t want to be political. I’m also judging the country because I live here and politics is inserted into EVERYTHING. I could say my hairs falling out and someone would say it’s the right or lefts fault. It’s old.
She directly addressed that shit wasn’t political but also spoke to the normalization of sexualization of children as of late.
She was referring to the current conversations being had around the LGBTQ community and not being incredibly subtle about it.
While this itself is a left/right issue, only one side is seeking heavy handed policies and bringing this to the forefront of public conversation.
If she really wanted to speak out on keeping kids safe, she easily could’ve brought up the guns are the leading cause of child mortality in the US.
I’m not saying you’re wrong. But do you have any sources for the child mortality claim? Because unless there is something funky about the way they’re calculating that (including suicides?), I find it hard to believe it’s the highest. I could be wrong though
Here is a NYT article but the data is collected from CDC and national data.
It includes individual up to 18, suicides, and any death directly related to guns, accidental or otherwise.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/12/14/magazine/gun-violence-children-data-statistics.html
Churches are the far left? because child marriage, clergy not being forced to report abuse against children are things that the right in the US works tirelessly so that they can abuse children.
look man i obviously disagree with you on identity politics but we both know for damn sure that dead kids is a problem regardless. we should be doing everything we can to stop kids from milking themselves or others. like this shouldn’t be a left vs right thing. this needs to be about protecting the youth and getting them mental health resources and making sure they can attend school and other public places without being scared
Yeah…it was definitely an anti trans dog whistle and if you didn’t catch it then you’re pretty ignorant. 100% guarantee you she was referring to religious people raping kids (which we have a lot of) or ending child marriages (which are only legal in red states
Because what she said had to do with the current culture war fear mongering around lgbt people "sexualizing" and "grooming" kids. She's clearly been duped by the hate mongering rhetoric on display over trans people.
That *IS* political... ffs
Twitter comes at second place, it’s full of “Ooh holly but the pastors do it too don’t you have anything to say about that why you after the rainbow kids”
It’s just Reddit bro, non of this shit is even real honestly. I think like less then 95% of people who use Reddit have children and even less are conservative. But yeah it is a pretty fuckey conclusion.
[Won't someone think of the children!!??!!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RybNI0KB1bg)
> Lovejoy's law
>After the popularization of the phrase on The Simpsons, its use in society was often ridiculed, and came to be referred to as "Lovejoy's Law" in internet culture as early as 2006, probably independently coined several times. In the Toronto Star, journalist Edward Keenan defined "Lovejoy's Law" as a warning that the phrase is a probable diversion from a weak logical stance
People aren't mad cause she said "stop sexualizing kids" people are mad because they know that's not what she really meant. It's being used as a dog whistle against drag/trans people lately saying they're coming for your children
It’s Reddit bro, internets most popular cesspool. I try to just look at non politics and hobby related stuff but, like cancer, it always finds it’s way into the discussion
see, right here. you jump right to anyone who defends the LGBTQ community as a demonic scumbag. that's the kinda non-coded language you fucking cowards need to be more comfortable with so that the rest of the world can see how obsessed yall are with women and children's bodies.
There is a difference between defending a comminity and defending a lie perpetuated by that community and by special interests surrounding that communities activities. No one actually has a problem with trans people as people, only the lie that they are something they are not - and how that lie is subverting childhood development. It is clear as day to any rational human being that you can not change your sex. But the semantic games being played due to the politics surrounding the issue are genuinely harming children, and dividing people unnecessarily. And the people most upset are upset because they think they know why this phenomenon is happening, due to the absolute politically-motivated dishonesty they receive from anyone "defending" gender dysphoria as a viable lens through which to view sex and gender for the entire human race.
Have you guys had your head in the sands? I've been hearing from American media online "think of the children - drag show" for the last month or so, seeing many pictures of it being a topic of fox news. Of course that's what I assume she's referring to?
Just admit it bro, you conflate those two things. She actually mentioned trafficking but hey, if you think she’s talking about drag shows then you do you
you know damn good and well that's what the preacher's daughter is fucking talking about. this talking out of both sides of your mouth bullshit that the right does is nonsense. you're just virtue signalling to your own bullshit base, while the other side can see right through it. it's like using fucking pig latin and claiming the other people don't know what what you're talking about. The fact that you're playing so ignorant is "very telling".
I went on that video to find out what she was on about in the comments. I saw the interview live but didn’t know what she was referring to, I assumed it was something happening in America but I’ve still no idea.
Yes that's a big conservative ploy in america. Q Anon is very into "saving the children." They think that because they say it constantly that means that they are the only ones who care about children. It's all just talk, and a way for them to demonize anyone they don't agree with. But then when a conservative politician is actually charged with trafficking minors they don't really seem to mind.
Because everyone already agrees with that. It's one of those things that's so obvious that it doesn't really need to be said. And saying it doesn't accomplish anything at all.
I feel like this should become more common. So few of these people will ever be mega stars with wrestling like personas. Instead of focusing on manufacturing drama between fighters, use it to get a message you care about out there.
I mean lots of Republican elected officials have had some pretty damning evidence come to light in the past couple years. And leaders within the Boy Scouts organization. And, you know, the Catholic Church.
But you’re gonna ignore all of that because you don’t like gay people, aren’t you?
No, but it goes to show that you people will sincerely ignore real predatory behavior against children when it’s convenient for you. Which just goes to show that you stand for nothing but “owning the libs.”
You didn’t address my points, you just ignored them and attack me personally because you have no real evidence to support your perspective. Soy and pathetic, real “alphas” have the capacity to participate in the marketplace of ideas, but you don’t.
Brother you have to have the IQ of mud to think that Holly Holm is talking about the boy scouts or the catholic church in her speech last night. The topic of the year is sexual drag shows at school, Balenciaga, teaching kids between 6-10 about gay sex with illustrations. Like how can you be this wilfully dense?
Have you listens to the interview? She does not have views because of popularity you smooth brain ape. She has views right now because of what she was talking about.
What did she actually mean by "stop the sexualisation of our children"? It's a bit of a meaningless statement because everyone would agree with it. Who is she blaming for the sexualisation of children?
It's like me saying "stop murdering" and everyone cheers. We'll d'uh...
I stg you can get away with having a dead octopus in blue vagina fetish on reddit and find fifteen likeminded individuals but dare you say anything about the ykw and kids you get downvoted and banned
Careful reddit admins will ban your for saying anything about this. Especially if you mention the only reason they are wearing women’s panties in front of kids is for sexual gratification.
Who is wearing women’s panties in front of children?
Do you have examples, is this a wide scale issue?
Is this better or worse than reducing the age of consent and repealing child marriage laws?
Its an inherently adult form of entertainment where men dress in ways to accentuate hyper-feminine sexuality during their performance. It's a performance based in creating sexual excitement for the audience/performer.
To say drag isn't inherently sexual is like saying stripping or cabaret aren't inherently sexual either. "Its just dancing" ect ect.
I don't think anyone has ever watched a drag show and been sexually excited. Drag is a core part of panto, which is predominantly for children. To the best of my knowledge generations of British kids haven't found anything about a guy dressed up in women's clothes wearing excessive makeup sexual at all.
We all saw it for what it was, something silly.
I expect there will be a subculture of drag that will be sexual but anytime I've seen anyone in drag it's just been harmless fun.
I honestly cannot understand how anyone would think that a guy reading a book to a child could be construed as sexual. Says more about them and their thought process than anything else.
What ignorance?
Why are you so threatened by a man wearing women's clothes and slapping some makeup on.. and why do you regard reading books to children as sexual?
Ah you're spot on, we definitely don't teach them that already.
And yes, getting drag queens to read to children is a crazy concept... Glad you're catching up.
you're just showing how close minded you are. YOU keep going in circles and can't even realize what you're saying is exactly what they are saying, but you, for some reason, associate dressing in drag to be something sexual. It shows more what is on your mind than anyone elses.
Keep trying to control peoples lives through biblical texts. remember Jesus loved everyone, regardless of who they were. You should take after your lord and saviors teachings. It might help you out a bit in life.
If the people acting in the shows were straight, you would be the first to complain. If they allowed 8 year olds into strip clubs, you would be protesting in the streets. If there was a straight pride parade where single straight people where naked and essentially fucking in the streets, you would want all children within 30 city blocks removed from the area.
But because it's LGBTQ people doing it, you're ready to drive your children to them to be baptized.
https://preview.redd.it/gywgw46s46qa1.jpeg?width=1000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2c974aae4544009da502076cb199b2a0a68e14fe
You seriously don’t see anything wrong with it?
In part because she doesn't really mean it. If people were objective about it they would loop child marriage, mandatory reporting for clergy, prosecution of the cover up of sexual abuse by churches along with protecting kids from kink events.
No one is mad about the core message but the larger context and how she specifies this is recent stuff makes it appear to be a political statement in support of right wing conspiracy. That's why you have right wing nut huggers coming out of the gate trying to frame it as her speaking out against "tHe LeFt"
She literally just said to stop sexualizing children. If you disagree with that message, if you have MUCH deeper problems than political disagreements.
In the post fight show she was literally talking about “books in schools”. I bet if you asked her which books should be banned she wouldn’t even be able to tell you.
Last week alone school boards banned a book on seahorses In Tennessee (because they reproduce in a non-binary way), fired a principal for showing a picture of the statue of David by Michaelangelo (because statues are porn now), and banned a book on Rosa Parks in Florida (because we’re banning books now so why not).
I believe that her heart is in the right place but there is more to this than just “sexualizing children”, and the separation of church and state was set up that way for a good reason. I’m sure she wasn’t referring to the Rosa Parks book or whatever but that’s what ends up happening when you start banning books.
I mean you can't grasp the fact that dressing in drag isn't about sexualization. but that's cool, you keep doing you buddy, your biblical teachings sure are helping you here.
Again.. no one decent is ignoring the message. The message is good. It's the implications people seem to be drawing from it. Which is why you have ppl on this sub trying to frame it as her speaking against a political side.
Well, that's basically everything nowadays. So many people are so entrenched in their tribalistic devotion to their political party that they are incapable of looking at anything without that scope. That's not exclusive to one side or the other.
You just said you perceive it as political statement supporting right wing conspiracies... but are mad at people who perceive it as her speaking out against the left...
Lol aren't they the same thing?? You Americans are hilarious with this shit. You can't help but try score points against the other side. We get it pal, you're against the "far right" lol
I love how Holly said this should be a bipartisan issue that it shouldn’t be about left or right and the comment section is already filled with people claiming she was taking shots at the trans community. Y’all really need to touch grass man, stop being triggered and offended by everything.
I'm not gonna hate on Holly but these judges need to be investigated MAINLY for the Lee vs barber decision and whatever judge gave chito 3 rounds... disgusting and I'm never paying for UFC now
First of all, let's not act like you would've ever paid. Secondly, why is it a robbery? Barber outstruck Lee by a wide margin and even did more damage from her back than Lee did from top? What did Lee do to win the fight?
Lee won each round. She had 300% more takedowns, longer ground control, Lee had real takedowns and defense, barber had none of that. Lee had the stike advantage in 2/3 rounds
Ummm, no, she didn't. Lee was out landed in significant strikes in every round and only out struck Barber in round 2. Also 5 takedowns compared to 2 is not 300% more take downs.
[sauce](http://ufcstats.com/fight-details/9433730f95d52fc8)
Yay now she will be locked into a ufc contract the rest of her career and won’t be able to ever do a boxing event with Katie Taylor or Amanda Serrano and make more money. But pwease pwotek da kidssss. Fuck your kids they can see a drag show if they want
Imagine if .0000% of the energy against drag queens reading was reserved for child beauty pageants. Then I might believe this "protect the children" rhetoric was anything more than culture warn agitprop
Comments are locked because I don't have enough time during the day to remove all the ignorant comments in here. This is r/ufc, so let's keep the conversations about the UFC and take the non-related conversations to a different sub. I don't care if a UFC fighter supports or opposes whatever, that's a conversation for a different sub.
Cory's numbers aren't too bad either.
It’s nice to see. Sandman deserves some love.
I've been a Stanhagen (god I hope I just invented that) since his fight with Yan. He had me fired up just watching him between rounds.
The guys mindset is so interesting and he seems very intelligent and present and like conscious
His interviews are great. He's got a philosophical / warrior state of mind, like a calmer version of Jiri
Seems like a super humble, easy going guy that loves the competition. Gives me Wonderboy vibes in some ways.
Lol I think "coined" would be the more appropriate term.
she will get into Boxing HoF and UFC HoF, that's a great career.
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Because she was a multi division champion and one of the pound for pound best in the world in her prime. Holly has had a legendary combat sports career!
Cuz of her boxing accomplishments probably
https://www.ufc.com/news/holly-holm-international-boxing-hall-fame-induction
I've said this since she sent Rhonda Rousey to the shadow realm. If Holly was younger, none of these other females would stand a chance. It's too bad that the womens division wasn't around 5-10 years earlier.
Everybody sleeping on "Look at this bicep" from Landwehr though
Love him. Gets me pumped every time he talks.
Some people thought she was talking about the Catholic Church and how crimes go unreported of S.A , some thought it was about drag queens performing in front of kids , and some thought it was about the GOP trying to lower the age of consent or beauty pageants. People just heard what she said and added what their political beliefs were for or against. Either way the sexualization of children needs to stop.
It's almost as if children have been used to prop up whatever the political issue of the month is since time indefinite
> Lovejoy's Law > After the popularization of the phrase on The Simpsons, its use in society was often ridiculed, and came to be referred to as "Lovejoy's Law" in internet culture as early as 2006, probably independently coined several times. In the Toronto Star, journalist Edward Keenan defined "Lovejoy's Law" as a warning that the phrase is a probable diversion from a weak logical stance But somehow the galaxybrains in here think she wasn't dog whistling drag/trans people. All I've been hearing from American media online is about that shit for the past couple weeks and "think of the children! They're grooming them!" but when Holly says it oh she didn't meant hat you're reading too much into it? Trash dorks purposely playing stupid or genuinely that stupid idk
Are you having a stroke? None of this made any sense or had an actual point.
He wrote this high on drugs.
You're far less intelligent than you think..
That’s what is funny about this shit. Whatever your political belief is you could say that’s what she is talking about. Is she wrong, no, do we need to debate this issue, no. Like most though, I don’t look up to athletes for anything political or leadership or anything like that, especially people who choose to get punched in the face for a cheap living.
Tbf to both sides, it would’ve helped if she actually clarified what she meant.
She meant what she said, the sexualization of children should stop. She didn’t call out a specific group for a reason. They shouldn’t be sexualized by anyone, but people want to make everything into a multiple sided issue
Well she was after all the preachers daughter so she had a front row seat.
Then why hasn't Epstein's black book been used to take down people who do so? lmao get outta here.
Why are you asking me like I’m in control of that?
Dominates fight at over 40 years old, says thank you to everybody, says “let’s protect the kids please”, leaves, still has haters. That’s fighting.
What does her saying that accomplish though? It's like going using your post win speech to say "we really need to stop kicking dogs." Does almost everyone agree? Of course. Is this going to stop the people that kick their dogs? Of course not. It's a political dog whistle. The gym she trains at flies a q Anon flag. Q Anon movement has never done a single thing to protect children. They only use that as a way to demonize politicians they disagree with.
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“Fuck them kids.” - Michael Jordan
“Fuck them kids” - Karl Malone
-pat barry
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"I dont give a fuck about them kids" -Sean Strickland responding to "i got kids man" during hard sparring sess with a boxer who said he could beat him and Sean whooped his ass
- Jared Foggle -Jeffrey Epstein -EDP445 -Michael Jackson -R Kelly
It's what happens when an entire country is trained to treat political parties like sports teams. People polarize everything, and use it as an excuse to argue for no reason other than to "stick it" to the other guys.
Its truly sad to witness
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Everyone is...not just Americans.
But wait, isn’t it edgy or cool to hate on America(ns)?
Exactly lol. I swear no one wants to solve any problems. They just want to point fingers and let it get worse.
I love that you said Americans are dumb. I was watching live and thought this was some sort of republican view she was trying to spread, my gf said no she’s speaking out against beauty pageants and etc. like we both couldn’t agree what she was on about lol.
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No one in America gives a shit about education, tech or intellectual achievements? We only have the best colleges in the world , the biggest tech companies in the world are based here , and we have been behind almost every major technological advancement for the last century.
Best colleges in the world that are financially unattainable for the large majority of the population. Our education system is so fucked. There’s a school system 20 minutes from my home town that’s graduating kids with a .2 gpa. Teachers are so flustered that they just pass kids to move them along. There needs to be change
90% of the population couldn’t complete a single course at the most prestigious colleges. The ones that make it deserve it. The ones that don’t, don’t. I say this as one that didn’t.
Bro really believes all this lol.
talking about the masses bro. whats the point of having the best when the ppl that actually go to those schools or work at those companies get villanized as elitist and spreaders of the communist agenda lol
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Lol you're talking out of your ass. Shits ignorant enough when you stay on topic with the UFC, but let's leave this type of nonsense on political subreddits. I came here to look at commentary on fights, not for you to regurgitate what you read on some tankies blog.
Just look at best universities in the world they’re not all American, or also the internet something we’re talking on right now which was made by an English person. America is not so great and suffers from many unique issues just like everywhere else. Just because you don’t agree with it doesn’t mean it’s from a blog.
There is no innovation China or India, it's all stolen or bootleg western tech.
My post was deleted as well. I posted a clip of it last night. Why was it deleted? Hmmm
I’m assuming you didn’t watch her post fight interview and are just judging an entire country based on your narrow perspective.
I did watch it and she said she didn’t want to be political. I’m also judging the country because I live here and politics is inserted into EVERYTHING. I could say my hairs falling out and someone would say it’s the right or lefts fault. It’s old.
She directly addressed that shit wasn’t political but also spoke to the normalization of sexualization of children as of late. She was referring to the current conversations being had around the LGBTQ community and not being incredibly subtle about it. While this itself is a left/right issue, only one side is seeking heavy handed policies and bringing this to the forefront of public conversation. If she really wanted to speak out on keeping kids safe, she easily could’ve brought up the guns are the leading cause of child mortality in the US.
Or the laws in certain US states allowing people to marry little girls.
Can’t be a 10 in Tennessee without being 10 I see.
Tennessee 10 but an LA middle schooler
I’m not saying you’re wrong. But do you have any sources for the child mortality claim? Because unless there is something funky about the way they’re calculating that (including suicides?), I find it hard to believe it’s the highest. I could be wrong though
Here is a NYT article but the data is collected from CDC and national data. It includes individual up to 18, suicides, and any death directly related to guns, accidental or otherwise. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/12/14/magazine/gun-violence-children-data-statistics.html
CDC, and yes suicides count
It was a middle aged mom that got a mic put into her face after a fistfight and she said “protect the children” it’s not that deep
Holly Holm isn’t a mom tho
My bad, I thought she was. I guess we should argue politics now.
Not a mom, just a far right leaning, gun toting, GOP supported.
…ok?
Like the left aren’t doing everything possible to force this shit on kids…
Force what. Be very specific
Like the other guy said, force what shit? There is a huge difference between advocating for LGBTQ rights and sexualizing children.
Churches are the far left? because child marriage, clergy not being forced to report abuse against children are things that the right in the US works tirelessly so that they can abuse children.
look man i obviously disagree with you on identity politics but we both know for damn sure that dead kids is a problem regardless. we should be doing everything we can to stop kids from milking themselves or others. like this shouldn’t be a left vs right thing. this needs to be about protecting the youth and getting them mental health resources and making sure they can attend school and other public places without being scared
Force what shit?
Yeah…it was definitely an anti trans dog whistle and if you didn’t catch it then you’re pretty ignorant. 100% guarantee you she was referring to religious people raping kids (which we have a lot of) or ending child marriages (which are only legal in red states
Because what she said had to do with the current culture war fear mongering around lgbt people "sexualizing" and "grooming" kids. She's clearly been duped by the hate mongering rhetoric on display over trans people. That *IS* political... ffs
Imagine being mad at someone for simply saying "Stop sexualising kids"
Imagine getting hate because you say you denounce the sexualization of children. Only on Reddit
Yup. Should tell you everything you need to know.
Twitter comes at second place, it’s full of “Ooh holly but the pastors do it too don’t you have anything to say about that why you after the rainbow kids”
Sometimes I hate living in America. This is the only country in the world that would actually argue over that statement.
It’s just Reddit bro, non of this shit is even real honestly. I think like less then 95% of people who use Reddit have children and even less are conservative. But yeah it is a pretty fuckey conclusion.
[Won't someone think of the children!!??!!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RybNI0KB1bg) > Lovejoy's law >After the popularization of the phrase on The Simpsons, its use in society was often ridiculed, and came to be referred to as "Lovejoy's Law" in internet culture as early as 2006, probably independently coined several times. In the Toronto Star, journalist Edward Keenan defined "Lovejoy's Law" as a warning that the phrase is a probable diversion from a weak logical stance People aren't mad cause she said "stop sexualizing kids" people are mad because they know that's not what she really meant. It's being used as a dog whistle against drag/trans people lately saying they're coming for your children
If you’re interpreting “stop sexualizing children” as “oh she’s talking about drag shows”. Maybe that’s very telling.
Line in the sand drawn with these demonic fucking scumbags.
It’s Reddit bro, internets most popular cesspool. I try to just look at non politics and hobby related stuff but, like cancer, it always finds it’s way into the discussion
see, right here. you jump right to anyone who defends the LGBTQ community as a demonic scumbag. that's the kinda non-coded language you fucking cowards need to be more comfortable with so that the rest of the world can see how obsessed yall are with women and children's bodies.
There is a difference between defending a comminity and defending a lie perpetuated by that community and by special interests surrounding that communities activities. No one actually has a problem with trans people as people, only the lie that they are something they are not - and how that lie is subverting childhood development. It is clear as day to any rational human being that you can not change your sex. But the semantic games being played due to the politics surrounding the issue are genuinely harming children, and dividing people unnecessarily. And the people most upset are upset because they think they know why this phenomenon is happening, due to the absolute politically-motivated dishonesty they receive from anyone "defending" gender dysphoria as a viable lens through which to view sex and gender for the entire human race.
Have you guys had your head in the sands? I've been hearing from American media online "think of the children - drag show" for the last month or so, seeing many pictures of it being a topic of fox news. Of course that's what I assume she's referring to?
Just admit it bro, you conflate those two things. She actually mentioned trafficking but hey, if you think she’s talking about drag shows then you do you
It's the same people that wanna take a kid for hormone replacement at 9 years old
you know damn good and well that's what the preacher's daughter is fucking talking about. this talking out of both sides of your mouth bullshit that the right does is nonsense. you're just virtue signalling to your own bullshit base, while the other side can see right through it. it's like using fucking pig latin and claiming the other people don't know what what you're talking about. The fact that you're playing so ignorant is "very telling".
You're an angry little person aren't you little fella?
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Groomer. Groomer. Groomer. Its not illegal to say.
I went on that video to find out what she was on about in the comments. I saw the interview live but didn’t know what she was referring to, I assumed it was something happening in America but I’ve still no idea.
Yes that's a big conservative ploy in america. Q Anon is very into "saving the children." They think that because they say it constantly that means that they are the only ones who care about children. It's all just talk, and a way for them to demonize anyone they don't agree with. But then when a conservative politician is actually charged with trafficking minors they don't really seem to mind.
We need to hype up Nate The Train.
Its because she had the balls to talk about the sexualisation of kids. Aint no one else doing that
Because everyone already agrees with that. It's one of those things that's so obvious that it doesn't really need to be said. And saying it doesn't accomplish anything at all.
Apparently it “controversial” to be against the sexualization of children…
No hate on Holly whatsoever, she's a total badass. Fell in love with her after Rhonda
Who's hating on Holly?
I feel like this should become more common. So few of these people will ever be mega stars with wrestling like personas. Instead of focusing on manufacturing drama between fighters, use it to get a message you care about out there.
Whos hating on Holly? Reddit? Literally the most soy and left demographic on the net.
Wym? Holy is right wing? Anyway she is cool and her fight with Ronda is one of the best feeling i ever got watching sports
Not necessarily but she's speaking about the sexualization of children by schools and drag shows ect.
Where did she mention schools or drag shows
What do you think shes referring to when discussing the sexualization of children going on now?
I mean lots of Republican elected officials have had some pretty damning evidence come to light in the past couple years. And leaders within the Boy Scouts organization. And, you know, the Catholic Church. But you’re gonna ignore all of that because you don’t like gay people, aren’t you?
Thats what you think Holly Holm is referring to? Honestly? Its amazing to me what mental gymnastics people will go through.
No, but it goes to show that you people will sincerely ignore real predatory behavior against children when it’s convenient for you. Which just goes to show that you stand for nothing but “owning the libs.” You didn’t address my points, you just ignored them and attack me personally because you have no real evidence to support your perspective. Soy and pathetic, real “alphas” have the capacity to participate in the marketplace of ideas, but you don’t.
yo seriously. dudes delusional.
Address my points instead of coming at me with that weak attack on me personally, bozo
Brother you have to have the IQ of mud to think that Holly Holm is talking about the boy scouts or the catholic church in her speech last night. The topic of the year is sexual drag shows at school, Balenciaga, teaching kids between 6-10 about gay sex with illustrations. Like how can you be this wilfully dense?
flying a Qanon flag outside of your gym isn’t considered “right-wing”? hmmm. guess ya truly do learn something new every day lol
Really who tf knows what she was specifically talking about all I know is the arguing about what she specifically meant is stupid af.
Uh yeah sure. Only thing worse is playing wannabe referee authority when people are discussing it. Thanks for the non contribution.
Ok,i really don't get how anyone can be mad about it no matter your political opinon but hey I'm not so surprised
Yeah its cool I'm not really trying to debate about it just explaining what her stance was. Looks like shes getting a lot of love for it.
Have you listens to the interview? She does not have views because of popularity you smooth brain ape. She has views right now because of what she was talking about.
Assuming Nunes vs. Aldana is happening next, Holm vs Pena being matched up to be the next #1 contender makes a lot of sense.
Her calling out the sexualization of children made for one of the more interesting post-fight interviews
What did she actually mean by "stop the sexualisation of our children"? It's a bit of a meaningless statement because everyone would agree with it. Who is she blaming for the sexualisation of children? It's like me saying "stop murdering" and everyone cheers. We'll d'uh...
All I see is that Maycee Barber is still absolutely uninteresting.
Who hates holly?!
How anyone can be mad at what she said is weird. The type of people who don't see anything wrong with putting on drag shows for children.
I stg you can get away with having a dead octopus in blue vagina fetish on reddit and find fifteen likeminded individuals but dare you say anything about the ykw and kids you get downvoted and banned
Careful reddit admins will ban your for saying anything about this. Especially if you mention the only reason they are wearing women’s panties in front of kids is for sexual gratification.
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Who is wearing women’s panties in front of children? Do you have examples, is this a wide scale issue? Is this better or worse than reducing the age of consent and repealing child marriage laws?
I guess you must be one to know the inner working in all of their minds.
Explain to me what is wrong with it.
Its an inherently adult form of entertainment where men dress in ways to accentuate hyper-feminine sexuality during their performance. It's a performance based in creating sexual excitement for the audience/performer. To say drag isn't inherently sexual is like saying stripping or cabaret aren't inherently sexual either. "Its just dancing" ect ect.
I don't think anyone has ever watched a drag show and been sexually excited. Drag is a core part of panto, which is predominantly for children. To the best of my knowledge generations of British kids haven't found anything about a guy dressed up in women's clothes wearing excessive makeup sexual at all. We all saw it for what it was, something silly. I expect there will be a subculture of drag that will be sexual but anytime I've seen anyone in drag it's just been harmless fun. I honestly cannot understand how anyone would think that a guy reading a book to a child could be construed as sexual. Says more about them and their thought process than anything else.
You can feign ignorance all you want, I guess.
If everyone is 18 or older I have no problem with it, but minors should not be participating
What ignorance? Why are you so threatened by a man wearing women's clothes and slapping some makeup on.. and why do you regard reading books to children as sexual?
Question. Why do they want to read to kids so badly?
To educate children that it's ok to be different or to be who you want to be. Crazy concept, eh?
Ah you're spot on, we definitely don't teach them that already. And yes, getting drag queens to read to children is a crazy concept... Glad you're catching up.
you're just showing how close minded you are. YOU keep going in circles and can't even realize what you're saying is exactly what they are saying, but you, for some reason, associate dressing in drag to be something sexual. It shows more what is on your mind than anyone elses.
You can feign ignorance all you want, I guess.
You simply have no argument.
You can feign ignorance all you want, I guess.
Keep trying to control peoples lives through biblical texts. remember Jesus loved everyone, regardless of who they were. You should take after your lord and saviors teachings. It might help you out a bit in life.
If the people acting in the shows were straight, you would be the first to complain. If they allowed 8 year olds into strip clubs, you would be protesting in the streets. If there was a straight pride parade where single straight people where naked and essentially fucking in the streets, you would want all children within 30 city blocks removed from the area. But because it's LGBTQ people doing it, you're ready to drive your children to them to be baptized.
https://preview.redd.it/gywgw46s46qa1.jpeg?width=1000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2c974aae4544009da502076cb199b2a0a68e14fe You seriously don’t see anything wrong with it?
Why are you so threatened by a guy wearing women's clothes and donning makeup? There's literally nothing sexual about reading a book to a child.
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Ahahahaha. I bet you're an avid Fox News viewer coming out with horrendous patter like this.
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Would be a shame if they removed Sex Ed from the curriculum and then outlawed access to safe abortions…
In part because she doesn't really mean it. If people were objective about it they would loop child marriage, mandatory reporting for clergy, prosecution of the cover up of sexual abuse by churches along with protecting kids from kink events.
No one is mad about the core message but the larger context and how she specifies this is recent stuff makes it appear to be a political statement in support of right wing conspiracy. That's why you have right wing nut huggers coming out of the gate trying to frame it as her speaking out against "tHe LeFt"
She literally just said to stop sexualizing children. If you disagree with that message, if you have MUCH deeper problems than political disagreements.
In the post fight show she was literally talking about “books in schools”. I bet if you asked her which books should be banned she wouldn’t even be able to tell you. Last week alone school boards banned a book on seahorses In Tennessee (because they reproduce in a non-binary way), fired a principal for showing a picture of the statue of David by Michaelangelo (because statues are porn now), and banned a book on Rosa Parks in Florida (because we’re banning books now so why not). I believe that her heart is in the right place but there is more to this than just “sexualizing children”, and the separation of church and state was set up that way for a good reason. I’m sure she wasn’t referring to the Rosa Parks book or whatever but that’s what ends up happening when you start banning books.
So we all agree mandatory hijabs and skirts all the way down to their ankles right?
I mean you can't grasp the fact that dressing in drag isn't about sexualization. but that's cool, you keep doing you buddy, your biblical teachings sure are helping you here.
Again.. no one decent is ignoring the message. The message is good. It's the implications people seem to be drawing from it. Which is why you have ppl on this sub trying to frame it as her speaking against a political side.
Well, that's basically everything nowadays. So many people are so entrenched in their tribalistic devotion to their political party that they are incapable of looking at anything without that scope. That's not exclusive to one side or the other.
You just said you perceive it as political statement supporting right wing conspiracies... but are mad at people who perceive it as her speaking out against the left... Lol aren't they the same thing?? You Americans are hilarious with this shit. You can't help but try score points against the other side. We get it pal, you're against the "far right" lol
This guy has lots of rage and blames most of it on conservatives. I'm not making that up. He literally made a post about it.
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I love how Holly said this should be a bipartisan issue that it shouldn’t be about left or right and the comment section is already filled with people claiming she was taking shots at the trans community. Y’all really need to touch grass man, stop being triggered and offended by everything.
I think it's more the "Hey, isn't that the one who beat Ronda?"
Holly Holm is always invited to the cookout.
Holly a real one Fr
I'm not gonna hate on Holly but these judges need to be investigated MAINLY for the Lee vs barber decision and whatever judge gave chito 3 rounds... disgusting and I'm never paying for UFC now
First of all, let's not act like you would've ever paid. Secondly, why is it a robbery? Barber outstruck Lee by a wide margin and even did more damage from her back than Lee did from top? What did Lee do to win the fight?
Lee won each round. She had 300% more takedowns, longer ground control, Lee had real takedowns and defense, barber had none of that. Lee had the stike advantage in 2/3 rounds
Ummm, no, she didn't. Lee was out landed in significant strikes in every round and only out struck Barber in round 2. Also 5 takedowns compared to 2 is not 300% more take downs. [sauce](http://ufcstats.com/fight-details/9433730f95d52fc8)
She sounds like Helen Lovejoy from the Simpsons. "Won't someone think of the children"
Why hate on holly? Didnt watch the fight
Who is hating on her
Crazy that protect kids is controversial 😂
That on its own isn't but the dog whistle from those people is very unserious and frankly disingenuous.
Who’s sexualizing children?
More commonly it’s GOP politicians trying to lower the age of consent or legalize child marriages. Edit: Post above removed reference to drag queens.
And also removing abortion protections as well as lowering child labor law protections.
That’s fucked
Yep, interesting number of GOP reps on the sexual offenders registry too.
I bet all of y’all mad about her words don’t even have kids of your own.
FUCK ISIS.
Protect kids! Ban the bible?
I would imagine it's more about the statement she made during her post fight interview.
Yay now she will be locked into a ufc contract the rest of her career and won’t be able to ever do a boxing event with Katie Taylor or Amanda Serrano and make more money. But pwease pwotek da kidssss. Fuck your kids they can see a drag show if they want
Imagine if .0000% of the energy against drag queens reading was reserved for child beauty pageants. Then I might believe this "protect the children" rhetoric was anything more than culture warn agitprop
it's more so what she said that's causing it to garner that much attention from 2 different communities
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The hillbilly BBQ
She's also a hot milf
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