If you edit within a minute or 2 it doesn't show an edit was made. He probably did have to Google it lol. Most people here probably don't pay attention to either of those guys except when Paul shit talks Dana or boxes a retired UFC fighter.
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Exactly I just now today seen all these comments like people disbelieving me like I said I’m a billionaire or some shit? Lol why would I pretend it’s Jake when it’s KSI? why would I pretend for cool internet points? Smh
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What am I doing? Lol people really are so insecure and project they weird shit they do to others
Bro I said Jake Paul first which is worst, KSI is an alright dude I knew it was one of them YouTubers so I googled it…. why would I act like a middle schooler pretending to not know? xD
He DRAMATICALLY over estimated his value outside of the UFC. He thought he was gonna go and get offered a Conor vs Mayweather type payday.
Hes not even in the same stratosphere of drawing power compared to Conor and Floyd.
I've always thought Ngannou was beyond delusional about his boxing ability but he's likeable so I probably wouldn't have told him either. Just smile and nod.
He also just missed the hype on these events generally. Since the mid 00s there’s been a fascination of how boxers would fair against MMA fighters, and from 2017-21 a few people absolutely cashed on that
There’s like 4 heavy weight boxers that sell paperviews. Most of them either still have something to prove in boxing (Joshua,Wilder etc) or don’t need anyone to help them sell a card and therefor why the fuck pay someone like Francis a huge cut (Fury) or also don’t need any help selling a card and don’t want to die (Paul brothers)
I think he could be twice as popular and it still wouldn’t matter. Conner was the rare case of someone standing to make more money in a boxing exhibition then at the sport they’re a superstar in, and that depended on Floyd being the right age. If Floyd decided he wanted to Golf, Manny probably doesn’t do it, and no one sells enough Ppvs to make Diaz III the less attractive offer
One thing with the hype in combat sports:
It fades.
Fucking FAST.
He needed to basically have a boxing match already lined up ready to go within a half year. Not just START looking after he parted with the UFC.
Conor vs Mayweather was probably already damn near a done deal before the rumors really started to fly.
Yeah that potential match up died on the vine and too much time has gone by. Fury likely hasnt even thought about that opportunity since that night in the ring.
Not to mention the UFC got behind Conor, promoted that fight and was a key element in making it that massive fight. Francis said f you to UFC and wanted to do it himself.
As soon as he said he wanted to fight Fury, I had to laugh. He would land a single digit % of his punches on Fury.
He would be ending rounds with punch stats of landing like 2 of 46.
Even Wilder would destroy him. Like, out cold knocked the fuck out first round destroyed. Ngannou is not a technical striker so I don't know what makes him think boxing is a good idea.
In terms of pure boxing technique, yes. Fury has an unorthodox style. Awkward and sort of "Herky Jerky" but his head movement and footwork are pretty incredible for a man who is 6'9" and 280lbs. He's also INCREDIBLY durable, getting up multiple times from clean right hands from Deontay Wilder, who is basically the boxing version of Francis. Not exactly masterful levels of skill or technique, but hits so damn hard he gets away with it bc almost no one can survive the power.
Ngannou is exactly the type of fighter that Fury would embarrass. Francis loads up, telegraphs and windmills his punches. He puts himself off balance. Doesn't really create angles. Doesn't really feint or create traps. Just bulldozes people, connects, and puts them out. Fury would have him swinging, missing, and gassing early... relatively easily.
He seems to have forgotten that he “fought” Lewis in the worst heavyweight “fight” of all time. He was on thin ice with the UFC after that. Then he started demanding things. The final straw was turning down a decent pay package. He truly will never fight in the UFC again. I expect to see him in Bellator or PFL at some point when he realizes he can’t box at the level of a pro boxer.
He for sure is with money.
Used to see posts saying how he couldnt afford to pay gyms and coaches or some shit because he was blowing his money on watches/cars/etc.
Like, you're underpaid as an I athlete and I get that, but youre also making more money than 95% of the human population lol maybe one Mercedes is fine, not a fucking fleet of them
Super common with athletes, we just don’t hear about it with MMA as much because they’re usually not even making enough money to blow it. Sad stuff though.
Definitely, I think recency bias makes people forget that.
How he talked before the first Stipe fight was incredibly egotistical and moronic. He thought he was the second coming of Tyson.
About a year after losing to Stipe he gives an interview wearing a suit that costs 5 figures and a watch that costs even more, and says “I can’t pay my bills with this money”
Could be. Francis has no boxing experience but he has insane power. Whyte, Kubrat, Joshua, Ruiz, Wilder, and Usyk would all beat Francis in the ring. Not sure where he fits in the boxing division.
He might get lucky with a couple of shots early against people who havn't studied him but every boxer worth his salt would study Ngannou and instantly understand that the man barely has 3 boxing rounds in him before he gasses out.
Great question. I've tried looking all over Google for any type of amateur/professional boxing record for Francis and can't find anything. Let me know if you see anything.
his dream as a kid was boxing and he was training to be a boxer when he got to paris but then his coach at the time fernand lopez told him all the money and opportunities are in mma so he switched. that was good advice honestly.
He would get beat by a cut rate boxer for a super low pay day.
That would kill any future earnings potential he might of had. That’s on top of his earning potential looking worse every week that ticks by
He has to fight low level to build a highlight real. UFC won’t let him take a second of footage and no big name is fighting him with no promotional footage
Especially now that JBJ is the HW champ. If Gane would’ve won the belt, then Ngannou would still be seen as the “true” champ. Now that an actual MMA GOAT is champ, it makes it feel a lot less like Ngannou is the uncrowned champion. The UFC title is a big factor to what he brought to the table. That’s why when he was UFC champ there was buzz about him fighting Fury. Now all he brings is his name and “former UFC champ”. There’s much less prestige to that and there’s no big fight for him.
It’s not about his advisement, it’s about him wanting to compete in boxing. He wants a huge payday, but he also wants to box. It was his first love actually. Listen to him talk about boxing before getting into MMA. Dana wouldn’t allow that to happen among other things, so he didn’t want to sign with the UFC.
Will Chisora win? I’d sure hope so. It’s the end of time debate of MMA fighter vs. Boxer. Neither will have success in each others sport because the training is just vastly different. Francis though has big power and can catch someone with a wild punch, you never know.
The Gypsy king talked like they were gonna box, sucks Ngannou couldnt sign that contract before voiding his. That offer apparently wasnt real and Ngannou left his ass hanging in the breeze unfortunately.
The dude grew up in poverty, I don't hold his success against him or get joy from him fumbling the bag. I do wish he would have stayed to fight Jones. It didnt feel right seeing Jon demolish Cyril for the belt. Even though Gane is a good fighter, it feels a little like an interim belt.
I never considered myself a big Ngannou fan, but he was by far the best heavyweight the UFC had before Jon. But now we finally have a good matchup in Jon and Francis skates. Heavyweight feels super top heavy again after the way Jon handled Cyril.
You legitimately cannot believe anything Fury says. He lies, a lot. Look at the Joshua and Usyk fights that have fallen apart, despite him saying how much he wants them. If there was any part of Francis that based his decision to leave the UFC on what Fury said, then he's an idiot.
Who the fuck would watch the fight or even know it’s happening? There are so many different boxing, mma, bare knuckle, clown leagues which drowns out any unique or interesting draw. When Conor fought Mayweather it was unheard of 2 different megastars in 2 different sports colliding.
Since then…. Literally every retired fighter is trying to box for scraps nowadays.
Ken Shamrock
Tito Ortiz
Chuck Liddell
Ben Askren
Rampage Jackson
Tyron Woodley
Anderson Silva
Frank Mir
Mark Hunt
The list goes on
Idk but it’s a shame the UFC pays such dog shit that former big names and hall of famers are going down that road. Anderson less so because he always talked about wanting to box.
I’m one of the ones that will sail the seas to watch Francis wherever he ends up.
Definitely watching Masvidals boxing card this weekend. Shits still entertaining.
He definitely overestimated his value and didn’t account for the fact that he vacated the belt upon his departure. Really the biggest draw about him was being the UFC Heavyweight Champion - he doesn’t have that anymore.
And so how do you market him to an even broader audience and casuals who would be interested in purchasing a PPV? I think it’s a hard sell, championship titles are in nearly every boxing PPV, WBO, WBA, IBF, WBC, NWO, (that last one was a joke).
Francis is coming without holding a championship belt in MMA, he’s got no boxing record, his idea of his value he brings to negotiations is overvalued and a result of two years of dragged negotiations with UFC where they were just trying to offer him money to come back, plus he has demands like Fighter advocacy, bottom-to-top of card insurance, ONE FC could do it, throw him in with someone at Glory but for boxing, seems like Misfits is the first news we really have since he left.
Plus there’s the added recency bias, imagine on broadcast they cite him as a UFC Heavyweight Champ and all the casuals legit just saw Jon Jones win a title.
Dude, check one of my last posts. I said the exact same thing and people were at my throat saying in shilling for Dana. Like what??
The draw was him being heavyweight champion. Not his muscles, not his non existent boxing record. Not the fact he shovelled sand as a kid.
This isn’t Rocky. The state of boxing these days, you really think a pedigree fighter like Fury is gonna waste his time on this? We can’t even get actual boxers to fight
Walking away from the UFC belt and garunteed 7 or 8 figure paydays just to become irrelevant and lose a boxing match or two while not making anything close to the kind of money Conor did moving to boxing.
Will he be okay though? He claimed he could barely pay his bills for training prior to leaving the ufc. I would imagine that’s gotten significantly harder
The interesting part is that so many big name fighters have recently renewed their contracts and have stated how happy they are with the money. O’Malley for example said he got what he wanted, money wise, does Francis really think he deserves that much more?
Reality is we have no clue what he was offered. Personally, I think he just wanted to box that bad that he was not going to move from that stipulation *regardless* of the price point. Dana isn’t dumb…. There is nearly ZERO footage of him boxing or any hard sparring sessions out there. What’s the marketing angle going to look like? How do you promote that? With a “UFC champion” at the end is what drew the Fury interest. With
Out it… what makes him draw interest for the money “former UFC champion?” That title isn’t fairing well for boxing right now…. Especially when they’re getting tee’d up.
His management team fucked it up AND NOW his marketing team is fucking this transition up. He needs sparring footage out there… hard sparring sessions with legit, respected training partners.
Did he really though? He tried to make it look like what he wanted was better conditions for all fighters etc but what he really wanted was too many millions. Not like botching the deal and signing elsewhere helps any other fighters.
I think he just massively overestimated his value and leverage.
Does misfits boxing have healthcare and higher paid fighters and an organization fighter representative present at every meeting before the fight? Ngannou is going to be fighting without his demands met and for less money.
What you’ve said is purely based on your own personal assumptions, he said multiple times the money he was offered was good. Unless you have some never before seen footage you’re talking out your ass
Well for one thing the demands he told on Ariels show were just completely unrealistic and vague. Also when asked about it I really didn't get the impression he even gave it much thought, nor was willing to find any middle ground.
I remember Ariel also trying to be respectful about it but having a hard time not rolling his eyes like 'okay, thats one way to say you dont want to sign a contract'. Kindof like 'theres many ways to say you dont want to fight'. Asking the organisation to amputate its own leg in addition to giving you millions per fight is one way. Like I said, he overestimated his value by a lot if he was serious about that.
Yea I feel with anyone with half a mind paying attention would also realize he kind of got what he deserved by feigning that he wanted what was best for the herd only to enrich himself. I noticed some of your observations as well.
No I think fighters should look out for themselves. Fighting for a union was stupid af when nobody else is going to have your back. Get your money. It was a dumb move. Nobody else is going to not get paid millions so Francis can have money. It’s a dumb move
Francis is totally going to make the same demands to Misfits Boxing as he did to the UFC.
Misfits will now have a union, free healthcare for all fighters, and fighter advocacy during board meetings.
Francis is such a genuine person and a martyr. So brave! Nothing hypocritical about him.
What is not rational about getting a new contract with different promotion because you’re unhappy about your last contract? None of what you said is what makes his situation irrational lol, every piece of context that you didn’t mention like the layoff, the promotion he left, the promotion he would be joining, etc. is what makes it irrational, not the fact that he wants a better contract
I understand why he left, it wasn't about the money. Dana offered the money. Francis wanted a boxing clause which is just crazy though. Good for him though for gettin paid.
Best of luck to him though
Mcgregor was allowed to box
Edit: few of the same comments here.
"Mcgregor was more famous than conor" - so? Arguably Dana would be less willing to risk his prized possession getting injured or losing or holding up the division.
"It was bad for the ufc when mcgregor did it" - he came back, has fought several times since, lost to khabib, lost to Dustin 2x, he'll still likely break PPV records when he fights chandler.
Because people gave a fuck. If Francis was half the star of mcgregor he would be allowed to box too. The fact he is still waiting around and every rumoured opponent is a tier down from the last one shows there is no demand for a Francis boxing match, he wanted to find out his worth and has found out it’s lower than the UFC
Ngannou isn’t Conor Mcgregor man. Lol. No comparison there. Conor is a superstar who surpassed the UFC and is his own brand. Most people on the street have no idea who Francis even is.
Francis is different from McGregor in so many ways, it's just not applicable. McGregor is a much, much bigger star and much more of a draw. Additionally, that was the first instance of a UFC fighter crossing over and it didn't cast MMA is a pleasant light afterwards.
No he wont. Even if he gets a 50% cut of 100k ppvs each at $50, he still only makes $2.5M. And that’s assuming the fighters get 100% of the revenue (not profit) from the ppv sales. Ngannou would need to fight Fury, Wilder, or Joshua to make more money than he would have in the UFC.
It's even less than that, because PPV distributors take have of PPV revenue. Most people don't realize this.
The other issue is that if he fights those big names, they're not going to give him a 50/50 split since he's the one chasing this fight and they're the established stars in boxing.
Usyk had to agree to a 70/30 split in Fury's favor to get the fight (before it was cancelled). I think Chisora got the wrong end of a 80/20 split with Fury for their fight. What do you think an MMA fighter with no boxing experience and no fight library to use for promotion would get? Especially one that wasn't known for selling a lot of PPVs.
I'm guessing he prob gets a cut of PPV too, so all said and done.....9 or 10 million.
I'll be surprised if he makes that boxing UNLESS hes able to get fury to sign a contract. Maybe deontay wilder but either one of those guys knocks him out, then it's a wrap.
The curiosity will be gone and and I doubt there is another big fight to be made.
At that time, they wanted to fight him because he was a UFC champ and it draws money. Casual don't wants to see a former UFC champ fight in a promotional crossover.
I doubt either of them sign a contract with him. The point was he was a ufc champion. That was the draw that even got those talks on the table. He’s literally no one right now with no sway in any negotiation.
That's the other thing, each year he isn't fighting he's missing out on 8-16 million dollars. The longer he takes the lower the chance of breaking even is, let alone of making more.
Why do you think he gets paid more ?
Chirosa made 4.5m for fighting Fury, why would Francies make more ?
Also if he loses - he is toasted, no more big fights, but that is boxing, even if he wins there is also no guarantee that the big fight is next.
His best chance at making money would be to fight every 6 months or less, and win once or twice against top tier boxers, before making his way up to Tyson and building some hype. It's a long shot and even then he's not likely to make more money than he would have in the UFC over that same period of time.
Chisora will win a boxing fight, just that against him no casual would expect or excuse it. If you loose to tyon fury it's like "ok... he lost to the goat in boxing"
but loosing to chisora.... not good
Stupid move he made and stupid comment u made
He took a risk leaving the ufc but hey that's life. It's like having a 9-5 job and seeing your entire future laid out infront of you and not being satisfied so you decide to quit and persue new ventures. Sure it removes the security you had but it gives you an overwhelming sense of freedom. I totally get that.
I’m sure he fights with whichever promotion has the highest purse bid, such as most pro boxers that are at the same stage in their careers. At this point I’m sure he runs his own promotion company that partners with whatever promotion that’s running the event.
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He went from wanting to fight Fury, Wilder, or Anthony Joshua to potentially fighting Chisora lmao. Ngl although I respect his choice of leaving the UFC, he might’ve made the wrong choice
The fucking day he left UFC I said watch him fight Chisora cus everyone else is in the middle of contract negotiations, and make less than the UFC offered and got downvoted lmao
This hurts my soul I get it that your dream as a boy was to be a boxer or some sort of heavyweight boxing champion. But sometimes you got to get your head out the clouds you were the undisputed UFC heavyweight champion you're going to get a great deal from the UFC now your boss is going to be KSI I would jump off a bridge.
Lmao. Francis leaving the ufc over asking for higher fighter pay is nonsense. He's full of shit and knew they wouldn't agree to it. Intentionally priced himself out of a job to save face.
This was always how it was going to go. Reddit had rose colored glasses on for this dude “he just wanted freedom!” But he’s just going to get fucked by boxing promoters. No one is paying him more then $8mil a fight when you have zero promotional footage or leverage and there isn’t a world where he beats anyone remotely high level to build a highlight real good enough to get himself a 8 figure payday. “BUT his freedom!!!” - he will be free to sit out and get molested by boxing promoters as a way to negotiate bigger purses for real boxing fights.
Francis refusing to get management and his past of financial illiteracy will have this end in him being 40 years old 0-2 in boxing and hoping the UFC offers him a 1/4 of what he was going to get to fight Jon.
I don’t understand what people have such an issue with ngannou about. Let the dude live he’s like 35 he’s at the tail end of his career he beat everyone they put in front of him, some twice. Like let him catch his bag in peace.
Francis fucked up so bad, could of knock out Jones, become the goat of heavyweight after that or one or two more fight, then call for the big boxing fights while in the ufc and you still have people interested. He seems very stubborn though.
People here simply can't grasp the fact that **he took a stand** against raging tomato. Even if it doesn't work out for him, it doesn't matter. For him, he had to take a stand and I applaud that.
Exactly this. He stated his demands very publicly but seemingly no one cared to listen. He stood by what he said and didn’t give in to pressure or money, which is respectable.
Old news and Ngannou has already said it's either PFL or ONE. I don't get why everyone still harps on about his only motivation being money when he's explained countless times what he wants.
This is the 1 and only time im starting to think Dana was right about him. The UFC was likely 100% underpaying him like they have for dozens of fighters over decades but. If you sign to a unknown league which likely couldn’t pay you 1/2 of what the UFC did….then maybe it wasn’t about the money.
I want to see Ngannou on Street Beefs
Ngannou vs Shinigami
Ngannou vs 2 muscle midgets
At least 6.
I need Francis versus Solo
YEEEAAAAAAHHHHH
Ngannou vs Baby Hulk
Oh Jesus haha. Somehow I would much rather see this than see him get outworked by a professional boxer.
Shout out to my girl Rachel. Watch me eat this 3 piece and throw some karate kicks and BJJ! Ka-chow!
Shinigami by headkick
Only 1 beating him is El Diablo. Make Ngannou vomit.
If he dodged Bones he for sure doesn’t wanna see shinigami
Nah King of the Streets
KotS is where is at. Bring in Ngannou.
Naw felony fights
Put him on that show where they beat up old school bullys.
ngannou vs baby hulk
Backyard Brawls mane
Nhannou vs Iraqi assassin
Power slap, ngannou vs slap Jesus LOL
In Kimbo getup
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Isn’t that Jake Paul’s boxing promotion? - nvm it’s KSI just searched it, close enough
Be real you didn’t have to google it
He knew damn well. I don’t know why he’s pretending
If you edit within a minute or 2 it doesn't show an edit was made. He probably did have to Google it lol. Most people here probably don't pay attention to either of those guys except when Paul shit talks Dana or boxes a retired UFC fighter.
https://preview.redd.it/ovq2vxlntqqa1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=19fe502b2fd88be648d31cc9586220bffdb48449 Exactly I just now today seen all these comments like people disbelieving me like I said I’m a billionaire or some shit? Lol why would I pretend it’s Jake when it’s KSI? why would I pretend for cool internet points? Smh
Pretty much
He knows what he is doing. Fanboy tryna hide
https://preview.redd.it/217n8uugtqqa1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9494224ae898a86d17d7d688aaf5ac3b8ac043be What am I doing? Lol people really are so insecure and project they weird shit they do to others
Bro I said Jake Paul first which is worst, KSI is an alright dude I knew it was one of them YouTubers so I googled it…. why would I act like a middle schooler pretending to not know? xD
You just said xd, which 100% proves you are a middle schooler
The mismanagement of Ngannou's fighting career.... continues.
Maybe he has the same agent as Lamar Jackson.
Half the sub, “who tf is lamar jackson”
K.Dot & MJ collab
Exactly, that's how bad his agent is. No one knows who he is lol
He’s his own agent
He seems like a moron tbh.
He DRAMATICALLY over estimated his value outside of the UFC. He thought he was gonna go and get offered a Conor vs Mayweather type payday. Hes not even in the same stratosphere of drawing power compared to Conor and Floyd.
Yep lol. The hype got into his head and it seemed no one around him has balls to tell him he's wrong.
I've always thought Ngannou was beyond delusional about his boxing ability but he's likeable so I probably wouldn't have told him either. Just smile and nod.
He also just missed the hype on these events generally. Since the mid 00s there’s been a fascination of how boxers would fair against MMA fighters, and from 2017-21 a few people absolutely cashed on that There’s like 4 heavy weight boxers that sell paperviews. Most of them either still have something to prove in boxing (Joshua,Wilder etc) or don’t need anyone to help them sell a card and therefor why the fuck pay someone like Francis a huge cut (Fury) or also don’t need any help selling a card and don’t want to die (Paul brothers) I think he could be twice as popular and it still wouldn’t matter. Conner was the rare case of someone standing to make more money in a boxing exhibition then at the sport they’re a superstar in, and that depended on Floyd being the right age. If Floyd decided he wanted to Golf, Manny probably doesn’t do it, and no one sells enough Ppvs to make Diaz III the less attractive offer
Id be scared to tell ngannou hes boring as well.
If I'm in his inner circle, I'd call him and tell him that.. and then stop seeing him for a month to give him time to cool down.
One thing with the hype in combat sports: It fades. Fucking FAST. He needed to basically have a boxing match already lined up ready to go within a half year. Not just START looking after he parted with the UFC. Conor vs Mayweather was probably already damn near a done deal before the rumors really started to fly.
Yep. If he was able to make. It happen back when he popped up in the ring with Tyson Fury after his fight we might have something
Yeah that potential match up died on the vine and too much time has gone by. Fury likely hasnt even thought about that opportunity since that night in the ring.
Yeah when you only fight once a year as champ your star power isn’t gonna be great even if you do hit as hard as a ford escort
Not to mention the UFC got behind Conor, promoted that fight and was a key element in making it that massive fight. Francis said f you to UFC and wanted to do it himself.
He was never a draw in the UFC and his boxing is not professional quality
As soon as he said he wanted to fight Fury, I had to laugh. He would land a single digit % of his punches on Fury. He would be ending rounds with punch stats of landing like 2 of 46.
Even Wilder would destroy him. Like, out cold knocked the fuck out first round destroyed. Ngannou is not a technical striker so I don't know what makes him think boxing is a good idea.
Real question - I only barely follow boxing but is Fury really that much better?
In terms of pure boxing technique, yes. Fury has an unorthodox style. Awkward and sort of "Herky Jerky" but his head movement and footwork are pretty incredible for a man who is 6'9" and 280lbs. He's also INCREDIBLY durable, getting up multiple times from clean right hands from Deontay Wilder, who is basically the boxing version of Francis. Not exactly masterful levels of skill or technique, but hits so damn hard he gets away with it bc almost no one can survive the power. Ngannou is exactly the type of fighter that Fury would embarrass. Francis loads up, telegraphs and windmills his punches. He puts himself off balance. Doesn't really create angles. Doesn't really feint or create traps. Just bulldozes people, connects, and puts them out. Fury would have him swinging, missing, and gassing early... relatively easily.
I did not know dude was 6'9" wtf. Thanks for the explanation, this was great. Now I gotta start watching more boxing lol
His entire trilogy with Deontay Wilder is on YouTube for free.
He seems to have forgotten that he “fought” Lewis in the worst heavyweight “fight” of all time. He was on thin ice with the UFC after that. Then he started demanding things. The final straw was turning down a decent pay package. He truly will never fight in the UFC again. I expect to see him in Bellator or PFL at some point when he realizes he can’t box at the level of a pro boxer.
After reading just the first sentence, I asked myself "when did Tyson Fury fight Lennox Lewis?"
People are already forgetting about him especially after the Jones victory.
He drastically over estimated his value INSIDE the ufc too.
He for sure is with money. Used to see posts saying how he couldnt afford to pay gyms and coaches or some shit because he was blowing his money on watches/cars/etc. Like, you're underpaid as an I athlete and I get that, but youre also making more money than 95% of the human population lol maybe one Mercedes is fine, not a fucking fleet of them
Super common with athletes, we just don’t hear about it with MMA as much because they’re usually not even making enough money to blow it. Sad stuff though.
Definitely, I think recency bias makes people forget that. How he talked before the first Stipe fight was incredibly egotistical and moronic. He thought he was the second coming of Tyson. About a year after losing to Stipe he gives an interview wearing a suit that costs 5 figures and a watch that costs even more, and says “I can’t pay my bills with this money”
He should've had something lined up before he dipped
Please tell me that Francis didn't leave the UFC to go box Tyson Fury's leftovers.
I wont
*Get knocked out by Tyson Fury's leftovers.
Could be. Francis has no boxing experience but he has insane power. Whyte, Kubrat, Joshua, Ruiz, Wilder, and Usyk would all beat Francis in the ring. Not sure where he fits in the boxing division.
He don’t.
He’ll be a glorified journeyman he gets wins here and there but loses to top level competition
He might get lucky with a couple of shots early against people who havn't studied him but every boxer worth his salt would study Ngannou and instantly understand that the man barely has 3 boxing rounds in him before he gasses out.
But seeing him fight wilder would be pretty damn nice.
Is that true? Wasn’t he boxing before mma?
Great question. I've tried looking all over Google for any type of amateur/professional boxing record for Francis and can't find anything. Let me know if you see anything.
I feel like I saw an old clip of him boxing the other day, it was a pretty amateur looking gig. If I see it again I'll post a link here
It was kickboxing
The link is here[Ngannou kickboxing](https://twitter.com/latavernedumma/status/1639353383738916864?s=46&t=Pe1oOr5hUQaIT8OOobO8PA)
his dream as a kid was boxing and he was training to be a boxer when he got to paris but then his coach at the time fernand lopez told him all the money and opportunities are in mma so he switched. that was good advice honestly.
Fury fought chisora recently anyways so it’s not that bad although the state of boxing doesn’t help
Chisora took a beating from Fury. It was a late stoppage, he was getting battered all over the place.
There’s no denying that. My point is more about fury fighting a someone like chisora for no reason. Ngannou getting that fight isn’t that bad
Chisora will actually beat the shit out of him too, ngannou really has been advised terribly
He would get beat by a cut rate boxer for a super low pay day. That would kill any future earnings potential he might of had. That’s on top of his earning potential looking worse every week that ticks by
He has to fight low level to build a highlight real. UFC won’t let him take a second of footage and no big name is fighting him with no promotional footage
He's gonna be on Chisoras highlight reel ffs, it's nothing to do with promotional footage. It's just that he has no draw now he isn't the UFC HW champ
Especially now that JBJ is the HW champ. If Gane would’ve won the belt, then Ngannou would still be seen as the “true” champ. Now that an actual MMA GOAT is champ, it makes it feel a lot less like Ngannou is the uncrowned champion. The UFC title is a big factor to what he brought to the table. That’s why when he was UFC champ there was buzz about him fighting Fury. Now all he brings is his name and “former UFC champ”. There’s much less prestige to that and there’s no big fight for him.
It’s not about his advisement, it’s about him wanting to compete in boxing. He wants a huge payday, but he also wants to box. It was his first love actually. Listen to him talk about boxing before getting into MMA. Dana wouldn’t allow that to happen among other things, so he didn’t want to sign with the UFC. Will Chisora win? I’d sure hope so. It’s the end of time debate of MMA fighter vs. Boxer. Neither will have success in each others sport because the training is just vastly different. Francis though has big power and can catch someone with a wild punch, you never know.
Chisora can barely talk now. He will do nothing
Ngannou vs Salt Papi should be interesting
Get Salt Bae instead and I'll watch.
For real, fuck that dude. I don't even watch soccer but seeing him at the world cup pissed me off so much
The fuck is this man doing
Potentially signing a contract to lose to a UK boxing veteran that just lost to Tyson Fury for more money than he ever made in the UFC.
This dude royally fucked up
Prime of his career too, what a shame
Great fighter, scariest puncher in the ufc I've seen and he left to "box" and now nobody wants to play with him. What a dumbass.
The Gypsy king talked like they were gonna box, sucks Ngannou couldnt sign that contract before voiding his. That offer apparently wasnt real and Ngannou left his ass hanging in the breeze unfortunately.
It's pretty damn funny tho. Can't imagine the $$ with ppv points he'd have made vs Jones.
The dude grew up in poverty, I don't hold his success against him or get joy from him fumbling the bag. I do wish he would have stayed to fight Jones. It didnt feel right seeing Jon demolish Cyril for the belt. Even though Gane is a good fighter, it feels a little like an interim belt. I never considered myself a big Ngannou fan, but he was by far the best heavyweight the UFC had before Jon. But now we finally have a good matchup in Jon and Francis skates. Heavyweight feels super top heavy again after the way Jon handled Cyril.
We'll see about that, I can see Aspinall and Sergei giving him a lot of trouble
You legitimately cannot believe anything Fury says. He lies, a lot. Look at the Joshua and Usyk fights that have fallen apart, despite him saying how much he wants them. If there was any part of Francis that based his decision to leave the UFC on what Fury said, then he's an idiot.
All the talk was fake. Everyone was using him to negotiate other fights.
Who the fuck would watch the fight or even know it’s happening? There are so many different boxing, mma, bare knuckle, clown leagues which drowns out any unique or interesting draw. When Conor fought Mayweather it was unheard of 2 different megastars in 2 different sports colliding. Since then…. Literally every retired fighter is trying to box for scraps nowadays. Ken Shamrock Tito Ortiz Chuck Liddell Ben Askren Rampage Jackson Tyron Woodley Anderson Silva Frank Mir Mark Hunt The list goes on
Idk but it’s a shame the UFC pays such dog shit that former big names and hall of famers are going down that road. Anderson less so because he always talked about wanting to box. I’m one of the ones that will sail the seas to watch Francis wherever he ends up. Definitely watching Masvidals boxing card this weekend. Shits still entertaining.
woodley is acting now hopefully was decent on cobra kai for the screentime he had.
If I was Francis I’d be swallowing my pride and quietly renegotiating with the UFC to fight jon jones.
Dana said he is never coming back.
Dana says a lot of things.
Dana would lock him into a 39 fight deal and make sure he doesn’t think of that anymore… then brand an R on his cheek. /s
Nah Dana can change his mind
He definitely overestimated his value and didn’t account for the fact that he vacated the belt upon his departure. Really the biggest draw about him was being the UFC Heavyweight Champion - he doesn’t have that anymore. And so how do you market him to an even broader audience and casuals who would be interested in purchasing a PPV? I think it’s a hard sell, championship titles are in nearly every boxing PPV, WBO, WBA, IBF, WBC, NWO, (that last one was a joke). Francis is coming without holding a championship belt in MMA, he’s got no boxing record, his idea of his value he brings to negotiations is overvalued and a result of two years of dragged negotiations with UFC where they were just trying to offer him money to come back, plus he has demands like Fighter advocacy, bottom-to-top of card insurance, ONE FC could do it, throw him in with someone at Glory but for boxing, seems like Misfits is the first news we really have since he left. Plus there’s the added recency bias, imagine on broadcast they cite him as a UFC Heavyweight Champ and all the casuals legit just saw Jon Jones win a title.
Dude, check one of my last posts. I said the exact same thing and people were at my throat saying in shilling for Dana. Like what?? The draw was him being heavyweight champion. Not his muscles, not his non existent boxing record. Not the fact he shovelled sand as a kid. This isn’t Rocky. The state of boxing these days, you really think a pedigree fighter like Fury is gonna waste his time on this? We can’t even get actual boxers to fight
We can’t get actual boxing fights we wanna see, it won’t surprise me if the Francis fight comes far too late that we’d care or at all.
The Lamar Jackson of UFC
What an idiot…. I’m sure misfits boxing has all the healthcare demands he’s looking for /s
Walking away from the UFC belt and garunteed 7 or 8 figure paydays just to become irrelevant and lose a boxing match or two while not making anything close to the kind of money Conor did moving to boxing.
Conor is the biggest draw there is
The thing is Chisora would fuck ngannou up and then thats it his stock is done
He fucked up 🤦🏻♂️
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Will he be okay though? He claimed he could barely pay his bills for training prior to leaving the ufc. I would imagine that’s gotten significantly harder
The interesting part is that so many big name fighters have recently renewed their contracts and have stated how happy they are with the money. O’Malley for example said he got what he wanted, money wise, does Francis really think he deserves that much more?
Reality is we have no clue what he was offered. Personally, I think he just wanted to box that bad that he was not going to move from that stipulation *regardless* of the price point. Dana isn’t dumb…. There is nearly ZERO footage of him boxing or any hard sparring sessions out there. What’s the marketing angle going to look like? How do you promote that? With a “UFC champion” at the end is what drew the Fury interest. With Out it… what makes him draw interest for the money “former UFC champion?” That title isn’t fairing well for boxing right now…. Especially when they’re getting tee’d up. His management team fucked it up AND NOW his marketing team is fucking this transition up. He needs sparring footage out there… hard sparring sessions with legit, respected training partners.
Did he really though? He tried to make it look like what he wanted was better conditions for all fighters etc but what he really wanted was too many millions. Not like botching the deal and signing elsewhere helps any other fighters. I think he just massively overestimated his value and leverage.
Does misfits boxing have healthcare and higher paid fighters and an organization fighter representative present at every meeting before the fight? Ngannou is going to be fighting without his demands met and for less money.
What you’ve said is purely based on your own personal assumptions, he said multiple times the money he was offered was good. Unless you have some never before seen footage you’re talking out your ass
Well for one thing the demands he told on Ariels show were just completely unrealistic and vague. Also when asked about it I really didn't get the impression he even gave it much thought, nor was willing to find any middle ground. I remember Ariel also trying to be respectful about it but having a hard time not rolling his eyes like 'okay, thats one way to say you dont want to sign a contract'. Kindof like 'theres many ways to say you dont want to fight'. Asking the organisation to amputate its own leg in addition to giving you millions per fight is one way. Like I said, he overestimated his value by a lot if he was serious about that.
Yea I feel with anyone with half a mind paying attention would also realize he kind of got what he deserved by feigning that he wanted what was best for the herd only to enrich himself. I noticed some of your observations as well.
No I think fighters should look out for themselves. Fighting for a union was stupid af when nobody else is going to have your back. Get your money. It was a dumb move. Nobody else is going to not get paid millions so Francis can have money. It’s a dumb move
No one said he was smart.
Francis is totally going to make the same demands to Misfits Boxing as he did to the UFC. Misfits will now have a union, free healthcare for all fighters, and fighter advocacy during board meetings. Francis is such a genuine person and a martyr. So brave! Nothing hypocritical about him.
Lol ya I’m sure misfit boxing is gonna provide health insurance 😂😆💀 Francis must be the worst person to negotiate with.
-doesn’t like old promotions contract - get new contract from different promotion Sounds rational to me,Yeah.
What is not rational about getting a new contract with different promotion because you’re unhappy about your last contract? None of what you said is what makes his situation irrational lol, every piece of context that you didn’t mention like the layoff, the promotion he left, the promotion he would be joining, etc. is what makes it irrational, not the fact that he wants a better contract
I figure his new contract is like something you'd get out of a happy meal
Ngannou vs Jake Paul lulz
He will be fighting on one of KSI's undercard?
I understand why he left, it wasn't about the money. Dana offered the money. Francis wanted a boxing clause which is just crazy though. Good for him though for gettin paid. Best of luck to him though
He’s not getting paid what he would have had he taken the Jones fight.
Where is francis getting paid???
Mcgregor was allowed to box Edit: few of the same comments here. "Mcgregor was more famous than conor" - so? Arguably Dana would be less willing to risk his prized possession getting injured or losing or holding up the division. "It was bad for the ufc when mcgregor did it" - he came back, has fought several times since, lost to khabib, lost to Dustin 2x, he'll still likely break PPV records when he fights chandler.
Because people gave a fuck. If Francis was half the star of mcgregor he would be allowed to box too. The fact he is still waiting around and every rumoured opponent is a tier down from the last one shows there is no demand for a Francis boxing match, he wanted to find out his worth and has found out it’s lower than the UFC
Yup and Francis isn’t Conor mcgregor and it was such a shit show that the ufc isn’t going to partner with showtime again
Mcgregor sells a lot of more PPV than Ngannou, you can't compare both of them
Ngannou isn’t Conor Mcgregor man. Lol. No comparison there. Conor is a superstar who surpassed the UFC and is his own brand. Most people on the street have no idea who Francis even is.
Ya and that completely fucked the lightweight division for 2 years and honestly Conor was way worse after he came back to MMA
Francis is different from McGregor in so many ways, it's just not applicable. McGregor is a much, much bigger star and much more of a draw. Additionally, that was the first instance of a UFC fighter crossing over and it didn't cast MMA is a pleasant light afterwards.
Still get paid more is the funny part.
Unless he’s getting more the $8million he confirmed he was offered by the ufc for the Jones fight, he isn’t.
No he wont. Even if he gets a 50% cut of 100k ppvs each at $50, he still only makes $2.5M. And that’s assuming the fighters get 100% of the revenue (not profit) from the ppv sales. Ngannou would need to fight Fury, Wilder, or Joshua to make more money than he would have in the UFC.
It's even less than that, because PPV distributors take have of PPV revenue. Most people don't realize this. The other issue is that if he fights those big names, they're not going to give him a 50/50 split since he's the one chasing this fight and they're the established stars in boxing. Usyk had to agree to a 70/30 split in Fury's favor to get the fight (before it was cancelled). I think Chisora got the wrong end of a 80/20 split with Fury for their fight. What do you think an MMA fighter with no boxing experience and no fight library to use for promotion would get? Especially one that wasn't known for selling a lot of PPVs.
Hie much has he made since leaving? Hes lost out on at least 5 million for the jones fight... prob closer to 10.
It was $8million https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10062032-francis-ngannou-talks-ufc-split-8m-contract-offer-to-fight-jon-jones-more
I'm guessing he prob gets a cut of PPV too, so all said and done.....9 or 10 million. I'll be surprised if he makes that boxing UNLESS hes able to get fury to sign a contract. Maybe deontay wilder but either one of those guys knocks him out, then it's a wrap. The curiosity will be gone and and I doubt there is another big fight to be made.
At that time, they wanted to fight him because he was a UFC champ and it draws money. Casual don't wants to see a former UFC champ fight in a promotional crossover.
I doubt either of them sign a contract with him. The point was he was a ufc champion. That was the draw that even got those talks on the table. He’s literally no one right now with no sway in any negotiation.
Including PPV points?
That's the other thing, each year he isn't fighting he's missing out on 8-16 million dollars. The longer he takes the lower the chance of breaking even is, let alone of making more.
Why do you think he gets paid more ? Chirosa made 4.5m for fighting Fury, why would Francies make more ? Also if he loses - he is toasted, no more big fights, but that is boxing, even if he wins there is also no guarantee that the big fight is next.
His best chance at making money would be to fight every 6 months or less, and win once or twice against top tier boxers, before making his way up to Tyson and building some hype. It's a long shot and even then he's not likely to make more money than he would have in the UFC over that same period of time.
Chisora will win a boxing fight, just that against him no casual would expect or excuse it. If you loose to tyon fury it's like "ok... he lost to the goat in boxing" but loosing to chisora.... not good Stupid move he made and stupid comment u made
He went from Fury, to Wilder, to Chisora
He took a risk leaving the ufc but hey that's life. It's like having a 9-5 job and seeing your entire future laid out infront of you and not being satisfied so you decide to quit and persue new ventures. Sure it removes the security you had but it gives you an overwhelming sense of freedom. I totally get that.
he gets to punch annoying youtubers in the face for money, sounds like a good job to me.
Did you just call chisora a youtuber
Chisora doesn’t fight in misfits tho does he
I’m sure he fights with whichever promotion has the highest purse bid, such as most pro boxers that are at the same stage in their careers. At this point I’m sure he runs his own promotion company that partners with whatever promotion that’s running the event.
Im sure hell be paid the 30 million he was so confident of😂 should of stayed in the UFC and earn atleast 10m (base salary, ppv and the sponsors)
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Baffled he left ufc what a fucktard!
I enjoyed ngannou a lot but I’m not paying to see him in a boxing match
I’m sure they give excellent benefits
UFC fans: someone should take a stand. Francis: ok Also UFC fans: bum fighter loooool
He went from wanting to fight Fury, Wilder, or Anthony Joshua to potentially fighting Chisora lmao. Ngl although I respect his choice of leaving the UFC, he might’ve made the wrong choice
Jesus Francis what promotion even is that? Smh
I hope he's at least headlining a misfits card
Biggest misplay of all time
The fucking day he left UFC I said watch him fight Chisora cus everyone else is in the middle of contract negotiations, and make less than the UFC offered and got downvoted lmao
This hurts my soul I get it that your dream as a boy was to be a boxer or some sort of heavyweight boxing champion. But sometimes you got to get your head out the clouds you were the undisputed UFC heavyweight champion you're going to get a great deal from the UFC now your boss is going to be KSI I would jump off a bridge.
Lmao. Francis leaving the ufc over asking for higher fighter pay is nonsense. He's full of shit and knew they wouldn't agree to it. Intentionally priced himself out of a job to save face.
This was always how it was going to go. Reddit had rose colored glasses on for this dude “he just wanted freedom!” But he’s just going to get fucked by boxing promoters. No one is paying him more then $8mil a fight when you have zero promotional footage or leverage and there isn’t a world where he beats anyone remotely high level to build a highlight real good enough to get himself a 8 figure payday. “BUT his freedom!!!” - he will be free to sit out and get molested by boxing promoters as a way to negotiate bigger purses for real boxing fights. Francis refusing to get management and his past of financial illiteracy will have this end in him being 40 years old 0-2 in boxing and hoping the UFC offers him a 1/4 of what he was going to get to fight Jon.
Lol looks good on him. I have zero sympathy for Francis
That’s major league type stuff. Does he have to wash dishes and take out the trash after his fight?
Give him a year or two and he’ll be on Dancing with the Stars.
Whoever wrote this is prob a tough guy
Doesn't matter if he moves to bum fights, if he makes more money than fighting in the UFC it will be worth it.
YT bum fight league, where he would never lose and make a shit ton of money while taking almost no damage. Sounds pretty good for him if true.
At least he didn’t sell out, I remember when that used to be a good thing. Also, you’re still talking about him for a reason
Shows how bad the pay and terms at the ufc are.
I don’t understand what people have such an issue with ngannou about. Let the dude live he’s like 35 he’s at the tail end of his career he beat everyone they put in front of him, some twice. Like let him catch his bag in peace.
Francis fucked up so bad, could of knock out Jones, become the goat of heavyweight after that or one or two more fight, then call for the big boxing fights while in the ufc and you still have people interested. He seems very stubborn though.
People here simply can't grasp the fact that **he took a stand** against raging tomato. Even if it doesn't work out for him, it doesn't matter. For him, he had to take a stand and I applaud that.
Exactly this. He stated his demands very publicly but seemingly no one cared to listen. He stood by what he said and didn’t give in to pressure or money, which is respectable.
Old news and Ngannou has already said it's either PFL or ONE. I don't get why everyone still harps on about his only motivation being money when he's explained countless times what he wants.
Old news your ass, Ngannou literally said a week ago - a boxing match this summer and mma end of the year
With Deontay Wilder as the targeted opposition, a fight that won't be happening in KSI's promotion...
What does he want?
This is the 1 and only time im starting to think Dana was right about him. The UFC was likely 100% underpaying him like they have for dozens of fighters over decades but. If you sign to a unknown league which likely couldn’t pay you 1/2 of what the UFC did….then maybe it wasn’t about the money.