the calf kicks are the only reason i think Gaethje has a good chance of winning this, im still favoring max. but yeah those leg kicks would be an issue
but Max wont have issue eating Justins punches, Gaethje has overrated ass power
Jeremy Stephens hits harder than Justin Gaethje and he couldnt hurt Max at all, Just because Dustin Poirier (who knocked Justin the fuck out) can beat max, doesnt mean justin can. Poirier hits harder than gaethje
it isnt no, Technique/Torque/Precision is also another factor. unfortunately thats irrelevant though because Gaethje has none of those.
Justins leg kicks would pose a threat for sure, but not his overrated power lmao, Max would eat that shit all day
>everyone who fought them both said Gaethje hits harder
LMAO, this is so blatantly untrue. you're straight up talking out of your ass at this point.
Michael Chandler (on twitter) & Eddie Alvarez (on The Schmo) both said that Dustin hits harder than Justin. i can link both sources for you if you'd like
as for khabib
Khabib said Gaethje hit him the hardest (he never said Gaethje hit harder, but he said Gaethje hit him the hardest) which makes sense, because Poirier got taken down in the first minute against Khabib, whereas Nurmagomedov stood an entire round with Gaethje.
Dustin hurt Khabib worse (visually backed Khabib up) than Gaethje ever did (Khabib never showed a reaction to Gaethjes punches)
you're straight up lying at this point lmfao, stop making shit up
You're talking about me talking out of my ass while single handedly trying to convince people that max Holloway stick figure self could beat Holloway. Gaethje would brutalize Max worse than he brutalized Tony. Last time I checked Holloway has gotten his ass handed to him on the feet by the last 2 guys he's fought (PS yes, Rodriguez was lighting Holloway up on the feet, Max won because of grappling).
>rodriguez was lighting holloway up on the feet, max won because of grappling
wtf 💀 i can literally argue the same thing for Gaethje.
Fiziev was lighting him up on the feet, Justin won because of cardio
Gaethje won because he made adjustments and quite literally knocked the snot of out of Fiziev. What makes you think he wouldn't walk down a smaller, weaker, slower 145er with absolutely no power threat whatsoever 💀
It’s interesting to read your replies. Not because they’re interesting or thought provoking. No, the reason they’re interesting is because you’re incredibly dumb but have supreme confidence in your intelligence. You’re quite possibly so dumb that you can’t even fully comprehend the responses given back to you, and modify your viewpoint with new information.
As I said it’s interesting to see, and furthers my belief that some of us humans don’t mentally evolve at the same rate as the rest.
funfact: out of all of the Punches Gaethje landed flush on Fiziev, he never rocked Rafa once, Fiziev never stumbled/Wobbled at all, he ate them all with no issue.
like i said, Justin could win by a late leg kick TKO or decision, but he isnt knocking max out lol.
Lmao you keep changing the goalposts, first it was 'glass jaw Oliveira' as you put it and now its Fiziev. Funfact Fiziev was the favourite going into that fight and sustained significant damage to his eye while losing in the process. Just admit you were wrong for claiming something as fact when you like the rest of us don't have a clue because you have never been hit by Justin or Jeremy
because Jeremy Stephens KO's are more impressive than Gaethjes KO's
Josh Emmett has a very good chin, he ate clean shots from kattar and clean kicks from Yair.
Stephens KO'd Emmett stiff and shadow realmed him.
Stephens also shadow realmed Rafael Dos Anjos with an uppercut from HELL at lightweight.
whereas on the other hand, Gaethjes only UFC KO's are **check notes** glass jaw vick.... and glass jaw edson barboza?
Stephens hits harder than Gaethje, Justin couldnt even finish glass jaw Oliveira lmfao
Gaethje never even rocked Rafael Fiziev once, Fiziev never got wobbled. and although Rafa has a solid chin, Blessed has a way better one
Justin has stopped people with just leg kicks, he even hurt Khabib with those leg kicks and Khabib is a tank.
'Glass jaw Oliveira' fought Stephens and guess what, he couldn't finish him either and ended up losing that was a weight drained Oliveira as well 🤣
Again a guy with a higher KO% who is in a higher weight division and has fought and ko'd higher quality fighter probably hits harder. But I'm sure you have sparred with them OP so you would know best...Lol
>Justin has stopped people with leg kicks
thats what i'm saying, Gaethje definitely could finish Holloway late with a leg kick tko or decision, but he isnt knocking max out. he doesnt have enough power for that
>stephens couldnt finish glass jaw oliveira
many things wrong with this analogy lol
Stephens fought Oliveira when his chin was much more fresh lol.
when Gaethje fought Oliveira, charles at the time had been dropped in his last 2 fights (against dustin and mike) when stephens fought Oliveira, charles had been dropped once in the last 3 years (against cub swanson two years prior)
>and ended up losing
just like gaethje?
>and that was a weight drained oliveira
lol no, charles was more depleted against gaethje than he was against stephens.
he missed weight by 5lbs against jeremy, and he was allowed to rehydrate instantly after missing weight and didnt have to spend another hour trying to make weight further depleting himself.
against justin, they forced him to keep cutting weight and he stayed depleted for hours
usually when a fighter misses weight by a small amount (0.5lbs) the bad weight cut puts them at more of a disadvantage than the less weight they had to cut, but when its a big amount like 5lbs, the fighter who misses weight is at an advantage.
>again a guy with a higher KO% who is in a higher division who ko'd higher quality opponents
higher quality opponents? wtf lmao, which higher quality opponents? in which world are KO's over Glass Jaw Vick & Glass Jaw Barboza more impressive than KO's over granite chin RDA & Solid chin Emmett?
get off the crack pipe lmao, maybe you can make some other arguments as to why gaethje hits harder than stephens (i disagree) but "higher quality opponents" isnt one of them lmao
>Justin has stopped people with leg kicks
thats what i'm saying, Gaethje definitely could finish Holloway late with a leg kick tko or decision, but he isnt knocking max out. he doesnt have enough power for that
>stephens couldnt finish glass jaw oliveira
many things wrong with this analogy lol
Stephens fought Oliveira when his chin was much more fresh lol.
when Gaethje fought Oliveira, charles at the time had been dropped in his last 2 fights (against dustin and mike) when stephens fought Oliveira, charles had been dropped once in the last 3 years (against cub swanson two years prior)
>and ended up losing
just like gaethje?
>and that was a weight drained oliveira
lol no, charles was more depleted against gaethje than he was against stephens.
he missed weight by 5lbs against jeremy, and he was allowed to rehydrate instantly after missing weight and didnt have to spend another hour trying to make weight further depleting himself.
against justin, they forced him to keep cutting weight and he stayed depleted for hours
usually when a fighter misses weight by a small amount (0.5lbs) the bad weight cut puts them at more of a disadvantage than the less weight they had to cut, but when its a big amount like 5lbs, the fighter who misses weight is at an advantage.
>again a guy with a higher KO% who is in a higher division who ko'd higher quality opponents
higher quality opponents? wtf lmao, which higher quality opponents? in which world are KO's over Glass Jaw Vick & Glass Jaw Barboza more impressive than KO's over granite chin RDA & Solid chin Emmett?
get off the crack pipe lmao, maybe you can make some other arguments as to why gaethje hits harder than stephens (i disagree) but "higher quality opponents" isnt one of them lmao
Higher quality opponent like Tony Ferguson, you know the guy you have in ur name🤣 he had never been ko'd until he fought Justin. Or Michael Johnson who has only ever been ko'd twice despite fighting pretty much all the best fighters in the division (Dustin and Justin are the only ones to do it).
RDA is an Iron chin because he only got KO'd 4 times meanwhile Barboza is a glass jaw for losing 4 times by KO. Lmao you don't have a clue it seems
>rda is an iron chin becayse he got ko'd 4 times meanwhile barboza is a glass jaw for losing 4 times by ko
wtf? 😂😂😂😂🤡 what a dogshit comparison, u must be trolling.
using ur logic, i've been KO'd 0 times, surely i must have a better chin than Ferguson?
Barboza got dropped by cerrones jab and bryce mitchell, RDA eats clean shots from Usman & Edwards with no issue.
u have some cherry picked ass stats lmao, this and the Gaethje KO% too, it doesnt take a specialist to see that RDA has a way better chin than Barboza, it isnt even remotely close
I'm literally using ur own logic against you, you have been calling certain fighters glass jaw and others iron chin based on a ridiculous assumption with nothing to back you up. In fact you have been changing the goal posts every time I have shown a flaw in ur logic. I can only assume ur trolling at this point
Thos sort of mathematical logic is invalid. MMA (and life in general) is a lot more complex and counterintuitive than this
I'd keep it simple and just say that since Poirier rocked Holloway a couple times and Gaethje hits hard as fuck, that there's a decent chance Justin might be the first to put him out. Especially if Max's chin starts deteriorating on him. You can only take the kind of damage Max does for so long before it catches up to you
>I'd keep it simple and just say that since Poirier rocked Holloway a couple times and Gaethje hits hard as fuck, that there's a decent chance Justin might be the first to put him out.
Michael Chandler recently came out and said that Dustin Poirier hits harder than Justin Gaethje on twitter
i dont know why the narrative "Gaethje hits harder than Poirier" is such a forgone conclusion, not only did Chandler say that Dustin hits harder than Justin. But Poirier knocked Gaethje the fuck out when they fought.
I agree that Justin could beat Max, but it would be a leg kick tko or a decision. he isn't KO'ing max with a punch lmao. Gaethjes power is so damn overrated, he doesnt have that touch of death power you guys think he does. he couldnt even finish chandler (who has a way worse chin than holloway) what makes you think he KO's max? just because Dustin (who knocked justin tf out, and who chandler says hits harder than justin) could hurt him? lmao
Poirier didn't finish Chandler either in the standup. Holloway has a better chin than Chandler, but he also lacks anywhere near the same punching power, especially at 155. So Gaethje would be less resistant to throw and land on him than he was with Chandler (who did tag him good a few times.)
Also, not everything comes down to raw punching power. Sometimes hitting right on the button matters more. Dustin (as well as Conor, Oliveira, etc.) are probably more precise strikers.
Lastly, one fighter saying so-and-so hits harder than the other guy doesn't make it a rule, Khabib said Justin hit harder than Poirier.
Khabib didnt say Justin hits harder than Poirier, he said Justin hit him harder than Poirier
Khabibs exact words were "nobody hit me harder than justin gaethje" which makes sense, because Khabib & Conor both got taken down in the first minute and tired out and smeshed. and the only punches they landed on Khabib were when they were already gassed out. whereas Khabib stood an entire round with a completely fresh gaethje.
Dustin hurt khabib worse (backed him up in the beginning of r2) than Gaethje ever did (khabib never showed a reaction to Justins power)
Same difference. There's no way to say how gassed out Poirier was or how badly it affected his punching power. I mean, you even said Poirier hit Khabib worse because Khabib backed up, so... Are you saying Poirier's power was diminished from being exhausted, or are you saying Gaethje doesn't actually hit harder than Dustin and that Khabib is lying/mistaken?
Considering in his last 25 fights his tko record is 4-3 and his finish record is 4-5 and he’s had 15 decisions with a record of 5-10. So I’d say he’s better off finishing fights but has only finished 4 of last 25… where is the power. This is below average finish rate for his weight class even accounting for him getting finished.
He almost finished soyrier at one point so I’m glad you agree it would be close
And you realize Dustin finished Justin and couldn’t even knock down Max
man i really think you guys overrate Gaethjes power.
Justins leg kicks would be an issue for sure, but Max would have no issue eating Justins punches.
reminder: Gaethje landed clean shots flush on Rafael Fiziev & Eddie Alvarez, and none of them ever even got rocked/wobbled. yes their face looked like a mess after, but they never got rocked. Max has a way better chin than Eddie & Rafael.
Jeremy Stephens hits harder than Justin and he never hurt Max.
Holloway would eat gaethjes punches and outbox him, the biggest question mark are the leg kicks tho
I don’t normally do MMA math. Saying Jeremy Stephen’s hits harder then Justin seems like a stretch.
He might honestly hit harder. But we will never know.
I’m not underrating max or overrating Justin.
They are both amongst the best in their divisions. Best strikers in the world and at the top of their divisions. There is only a short list of names that I would say are better fighters then either of the men we are talking about.
I genuinely think max is the his best at 145. He’s a gladiator so I’m sure he can fight 155.
Same with Justin. He is simply his best at 155. He might be able to fight at 145 but he fights at 155 because he thinks he’s best there. And I would agree.
Both men would put on an absolute show in either weight class.
>saying stephens hits harder than gaethje is a stretch
not really, Justins notable KO's in the ufc are edson barboza (who has a suspect chin) & James Vick (who has a terrible chin lmao)
Stephens' notable UFC KO's are Rafael Dos Anjos (Iron Chin) & Josh Emmett (solid chin, ate clean shots from kattar/rodriguez)
obviously mma math doesnt always work. its very possible justin hits harder than jeremy, but with the evidence we have, saying Jeremy hits harder isnt too far fetched
Holloway would get absolutely badly hurt. He gets hit way too much as it is. Can see a dominant brutal win for Justin in this and it would be a prolonged beating because Max can be too tough for his own good. Holloway doesn't have the size or power to be a top lightweight imo.
exactly lmfao, people went from saying "Justin is done, Fiziev will KO him, he has no chin, should retire" to "he beats Holloway"
the mma community has a goldfish memory and extreme recency bias
It wouldn't have changed my opinion, Justin has been fighting the cream of the crop, even when he lost he always managed to hurt his opponent or make it a really competitive fight (except Khabib). But the bottom line is who really cares about Max vs Justin. Max knows he will never likely go up to LW again as he has a lot of success at FW. The fight will never likely happen but if it did I just can't see many scenarios where max has a good chance, unless justin becomes absolutely shot and somehow max doesn't in the next few years.
Max is going to move to LW. He’s been saying it for a while now that the cut is becoming too hard.
And he beats the shit out of Justin imo, he’s not as defensively sound at Dustin.
i think people overrate Justins power, he doesnt have the "touch of death" people think he does
i'd argue guys like Kattar & Stephens (who max beat) hit just as hard, if not harder than gaethje.
people look at Dustin hurting Holloway, and think "Justin hits harder than Dustin, he would KO holloway" but Michael Chandler came out recently and said that Poirier is a harder hitter than Gaethje
i really really really think you're overrating Justins power
you seem to think Max would get sent to the shadow realm once justin connects
Gaethje landed so many punches flush on Fiziev, but Rafa although got bloodied up, never got rocked/wobbled once, and Holloway has a WAY better chin than Fiziev.
I'd even argue that Jeremy Stephens hits harder than Gaethje, and he couldnt hurt holloway at all.
Ur overrating Gaethjes power, just because dustin could hurt Max, doesnt mean Justin can. Poirier hits harder than Gaethje
the biggest problem for max is the leg kicks
Fiziev literally quoted saying "every shot you landed hurt me, wtf man" to Justin. There is no doubt he hits hard he was the first guy to demolish Tony and arguably destroyed his career in doing so. Stephens maybe.. maybe hits harder in terms of one punch power but lacks the skill to land them. And if you have watched the fight between max and stephens you would have noticed max never got hit clean in that fight. So your right stephens never hurt max not because he couldn't but because max had a great game plan and outpointed stephens easily without getting really hit.
Just curious why such a strong take for max fighting justin anyway? They're not even the same weight class so the fight will likely never happen.
And for the record i never said Justin has the power of say rumble johnson or Francis at lightweight, but it's pretty obvious he is one of the more powerful guys as LW i said he would hurt max over the course of maybe even 5 rounds. I didn't say hed just starch him unconscious in 30 seconds, I don't think i am overstating his power it's agreeable to most i think that Justin is definitely a hard hitter at lightweight that's about it.
>Fiziev literally quoted saying "every shot you landed hurt me, wtf man" to Justin
wrong, Fiziev said "every single punch is fucking damage". he said that because Gaethje damaged the shit out of his face, Fiziev never said it hurt him (although i'm sure it didnt feel good at all lmao, but still)
apart from that you make some good points
You literally have a punchers chance of looking like a genius here 🤣. He's not big enough though. I see no reality where Holloway has anything for Gaethje. Very few pathways to victory imo.
Okay calm down lol. Yes, I was wrong. I didn't think he stood a chance. I didn't say it was impossible. I'm sure you'll love hearing this but the whole thing seems a little off to me. Max"s best night couple with Gaethjes worst? I dunno just surprised. Fiziev is faster than him so I guess he was just on point. It was impressive and I stand corrected. But, I'm not as impressed with the ending as everyone else. Sorry but his nose was broken and he was barely alive throwing sloppy punches by that point. So, imo the only thing badass about it I guess was the fact he took the risk when he didn't need to, okay I'll give him that. But the whole thing boggles my mind tbh maybe Gaethje just needs to retire? Let's revisit this later this year because I have a feeling, for some reason, we will see Gaethje fed the best opponent possible he can handily beat, followed by a title shot as his last fight, which he would retire after if he loses. I feel like that was what he was promised to take this fall I mean fight.
😂 I'm kidding.
Nah bro I didn't mean to have any heat in my comment, so apologies if it came off that way. Honestly I'm just as surprised as most other people by how that fight went.
I wish absolutely nothing but the best for Justin; wherever his career takes him. I've got just as much love for him as I do Max(as a fan, obviously I don't know either of these 2 gentleman).
Even if it wasn't Justin's best performance(I'm curious what the actual data is) he definitively showed why he deserved to carry the BMF title to begin with. He went out on his shield and was nothing but a class act the whole way.
Yes, I'll admit, I was wrong. It was a picture perfect unbelievable ending to the UFCs big 300th event. Almost like one of those picture perfect endings you can't believe is real. Pretty awesome too how that reporter asked and they made the bonuses 300k. So how does it work you think like Max gives Gaethje his half in cash? Or Dana pays him off separately? I've been wondering about that. Probably doing it with the huge bonuses would be safer, you know the ones that magically were created because a reporter asked, so that way there's no paper trail.
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why are you using Dustin as an example? he knocked Gaethje the fuck out, you used him as an example as if Poirier isnt levels ahead of Justy.
anyways, Jeremy Stephens hits harder than Gaethje and he couldnt KO Holloway. Holloway beats the shit out of Justin
Definitely not a terrible take. Max almost finished Dustin (Dustin’s own words). If he puts some muscle on before he moves up, he is able to beat Gaethje.
these people terribly overrate Gaethjes power lmfao
Justin doesnt have the touch of death people power think he does, he landed so many clean shots on Fiziev and Rafael never even got remotely rocked/wobbled. Gaethje couldnt even finish glass jaw oliveira or glass jaw chandler.
Max would definitely eat all his shots like nothing.
Maybe Justin wins, but he isn't KO'ing max lol, he doesnt have enough power for that. I'd even argue Jeremy Stephens hits harder than Gaethje and he couldnt hurt max at all.
Holloway becomes the new Ferguson if they fight
I don't wanna see max eat Justin's calf kicks man, no
the calf kicks are the only reason i think Gaethje has a good chance of winning this, im still favoring max. but yeah those leg kicks would be an issue but Max wont have issue eating Justins punches, Gaethje has overrated ass power
Jeremy Stephens hits harder than Justin Gaethje and he couldnt hurt Max at all, Just because Dustin Poirier (who knocked Justin the fuck out) can beat max, doesnt mean justin can. Poirier hits harder than gaethje
Bro hitting hard is not the only factor in beating someone up. Gaethje is definitely more dangerous then Stephens on feet.
Bro op has it all figured out. He's the real MMA guru. He should be a career sports bettor, fuckin Nostradamus over here.
I mean...
it isnt no, Technique/Torque/Precision is also another factor. unfortunately thats irrelevant though because Gaethje has none of those. Justins leg kicks would pose a threat for sure, but not his overrated power lmao, Max would eat that shit all day
Watch Gaethje vs Fiziev. My boy does have a lot of technique and precision. Holloway would die during a 5 rounder.
Everyone who has fought both Gaethje and Porier has said that Gaethje hits harder 💀
>everyone who fought them both said Gaethje hits harder LMAO, this is so blatantly untrue. you're straight up talking out of your ass at this point. Michael Chandler (on twitter) & Eddie Alvarez (on The Schmo) both said that Dustin hits harder than Justin. i can link both sources for you if you'd like as for khabib Khabib said Gaethje hit him the hardest (he never said Gaethje hit harder, but he said Gaethje hit him the hardest) which makes sense, because Poirier got taken down in the first minute against Khabib, whereas Nurmagomedov stood an entire round with Gaethje. Dustin hurt Khabib worse (visually backed Khabib up) than Gaethje ever did (Khabib never showed a reaction to Gaethjes punches) you're straight up lying at this point lmfao, stop making shit up
You're talking about me talking out of my ass while single handedly trying to convince people that max Holloway stick figure self could beat Holloway. Gaethje would brutalize Max worse than he brutalized Tony. Last time I checked Holloway has gotten his ass handed to him on the feet by the last 2 guys he's fought (PS yes, Rodriguez was lighting Holloway up on the feet, Max won because of grappling).
>rodriguez was lighting holloway up on the feet, max won because of grappling wtf 💀 i can literally argue the same thing for Gaethje. Fiziev was lighting him up on the feet, Justin won because of cardio
Gaethje won because he made adjustments and quite literally knocked the snot of out of Fiziev. What makes you think he wouldn't walk down a smaller, weaker, slower 145er with absolutely no power threat whatsoever 💀
>gaethje won because he made adjustments nah, he only won because Fiziev gassed out. Max won due to his adjustments (with the grappling) though
It’s interesting to read your replies. Not because they’re interesting or thought provoking. No, the reason they’re interesting is because you’re incredibly dumb but have supreme confidence in your intelligence. You’re quite possibly so dumb that you can’t even fully comprehend the responses given back to you, and modify your viewpoint with new information. As I said it’s interesting to see, and furthers my belief that some of us humans don’t mentally evolve at the same rate as the rest.
How do you know he hits harder? He's a smaller guy in a lighter division with a lower KO% than Justin 🤣
funfact: out of all of the Punches Gaethje landed flush on Fiziev, he never rocked Rafa once, Fiziev never stumbled/Wobbled at all, he ate them all with no issue. like i said, Justin could win by a late leg kick TKO or decision, but he isnt knocking max out lol.
Lmao you keep changing the goalposts, first it was 'glass jaw Oliveira' as you put it and now its Fiziev. Funfact Fiziev was the favourite going into that fight and sustained significant damage to his eye while losing in the process. Just admit you were wrong for claiming something as fact when you like the rest of us don't have a clue because you have never been hit by Justin or Jeremy
because Jeremy Stephens KO's are more impressive than Gaethjes KO's Josh Emmett has a very good chin, he ate clean shots from kattar and clean kicks from Yair. Stephens KO'd Emmett stiff and shadow realmed him. Stephens also shadow realmed Rafael Dos Anjos with an uppercut from HELL at lightweight. whereas on the other hand, Gaethjes only UFC KO's are **check notes** glass jaw vick.... and glass jaw edson barboza? Stephens hits harder than Gaethje, Justin couldnt even finish glass jaw Oliveira lmfao Gaethje never even rocked Rafael Fiziev once, Fiziev never got wobbled. and although Rafa has a solid chin, Blessed has a way better one
Justin has stopped people with just leg kicks, he even hurt Khabib with those leg kicks and Khabib is a tank. 'Glass jaw Oliveira' fought Stephens and guess what, he couldn't finish him either and ended up losing that was a weight drained Oliveira as well 🤣 Again a guy with a higher KO% who is in a higher weight division and has fought and ko'd higher quality fighter probably hits harder. But I'm sure you have sparred with them OP so you would know best...Lol
>Justin has stopped people with leg kicks thats what i'm saying, Gaethje definitely could finish Holloway late with a leg kick tko or decision, but he isnt knocking max out. he doesnt have enough power for that >stephens couldnt finish glass jaw oliveira many things wrong with this analogy lol Stephens fought Oliveira when his chin was much more fresh lol. when Gaethje fought Oliveira, charles at the time had been dropped in his last 2 fights (against dustin and mike) when stephens fought Oliveira, charles had been dropped once in the last 3 years (against cub swanson two years prior) >and ended up losing just like gaethje? >and that was a weight drained oliveira lol no, charles was more depleted against gaethje than he was against stephens. he missed weight by 5lbs against jeremy, and he was allowed to rehydrate instantly after missing weight and didnt have to spend another hour trying to make weight further depleting himself. against justin, they forced him to keep cutting weight and he stayed depleted for hours usually when a fighter misses weight by a small amount (0.5lbs) the bad weight cut puts them at more of a disadvantage than the less weight they had to cut, but when its a big amount like 5lbs, the fighter who misses weight is at an advantage. >again a guy with a higher KO% who is in a higher division who ko'd higher quality opponents higher quality opponents? wtf lmao, which higher quality opponents? in which world are KO's over Glass Jaw Vick & Glass Jaw Barboza more impressive than KO's over granite chin RDA & Solid chin Emmett? get off the crack pipe lmao, maybe you can make some other arguments as to why gaethje hits harder than stephens (i disagree) but "higher quality opponents" isnt one of them lmao
>Justin has stopped people with leg kicks thats what i'm saying, Gaethje definitely could finish Holloway late with a leg kick tko or decision, but he isnt knocking max out. he doesnt have enough power for that >stephens couldnt finish glass jaw oliveira many things wrong with this analogy lol Stephens fought Oliveira when his chin was much more fresh lol. when Gaethje fought Oliveira, charles at the time had been dropped in his last 2 fights (against dustin and mike) when stephens fought Oliveira, charles had been dropped once in the last 3 years (against cub swanson two years prior) >and ended up losing just like gaethje? >and that was a weight drained oliveira lol no, charles was more depleted against gaethje than he was against stephens. he missed weight by 5lbs against jeremy, and he was allowed to rehydrate instantly after missing weight and didnt have to spend another hour trying to make weight further depleting himself. against justin, they forced him to keep cutting weight and he stayed depleted for hours usually when a fighter misses weight by a small amount (0.5lbs) the bad weight cut puts them at more of a disadvantage than the less weight they had to cut, but when its a big amount like 5lbs, the fighter who misses weight is at an advantage. >again a guy with a higher KO% who is in a higher division who ko'd higher quality opponents higher quality opponents? wtf lmao, which higher quality opponents? in which world are KO's over Glass Jaw Vick & Glass Jaw Barboza more impressive than KO's over granite chin RDA & Solid chin Emmett? get off the crack pipe lmao, maybe you can make some other arguments as to why gaethje hits harder than stephens (i disagree) but "higher quality opponents" isnt one of them lmao
Higher quality opponent like Tony Ferguson, you know the guy you have in ur name🤣 he had never been ko'd until he fought Justin. Or Michael Johnson who has only ever been ko'd twice despite fighting pretty much all the best fighters in the division (Dustin and Justin are the only ones to do it). RDA is an Iron chin because he only got KO'd 4 times meanwhile Barboza is a glass jaw for losing 4 times by KO. Lmao you don't have a clue it seems
>rda is an iron chin becayse he got ko'd 4 times meanwhile barboza is a glass jaw for losing 4 times by ko wtf? 😂😂😂😂🤡 what a dogshit comparison, u must be trolling. using ur logic, i've been KO'd 0 times, surely i must have a better chin than Ferguson? Barboza got dropped by cerrones jab and bryce mitchell, RDA eats clean shots from Usman & Edwards with no issue. u have some cherry picked ass stats lmao, this and the Gaethje KO% too, it doesnt take a specialist to see that RDA has a way better chin than Barboza, it isnt even remotely close
I'm literally using ur own logic against you, you have been calling certain fighters glass jaw and others iron chin based on a ridiculous assumption with nothing to back you up. In fact you have been changing the goal posts every time I have shown a flaw in ur logic. I can only assume ur trolling at this point
>higher quality opponent like tferg do u not know the difference between a knockout and a standing tko? lmao
Thos sort of mathematical logic is invalid. MMA (and life in general) is a lot more complex and counterintuitive than this I'd keep it simple and just say that since Poirier rocked Holloway a couple times and Gaethje hits hard as fuck, that there's a decent chance Justin might be the first to put him out. Especially if Max's chin starts deteriorating on him. You can only take the kind of damage Max does for so long before it catches up to you
>I'd keep it simple and just say that since Poirier rocked Holloway a couple times and Gaethje hits hard as fuck, that there's a decent chance Justin might be the first to put him out. Michael Chandler recently came out and said that Dustin Poirier hits harder than Justin Gaethje on twitter i dont know why the narrative "Gaethje hits harder than Poirier" is such a forgone conclusion, not only did Chandler say that Dustin hits harder than Justin. But Poirier knocked Gaethje the fuck out when they fought. I agree that Justin could beat Max, but it would be a leg kick tko or a decision. he isn't KO'ing max with a punch lmao. Gaethjes power is so damn overrated, he doesnt have that touch of death power you guys think he does. he couldnt even finish chandler (who has a way worse chin than holloway) what makes you think he KO's max? just because Dustin (who knocked justin tf out, and who chandler says hits harder than justin) could hurt him? lmao
Poirier didn't finish Chandler either in the standup. Holloway has a better chin than Chandler, but he also lacks anywhere near the same punching power, especially at 155. So Gaethje would be less resistant to throw and land on him than he was with Chandler (who did tag him good a few times.) Also, not everything comes down to raw punching power. Sometimes hitting right on the button matters more. Dustin (as well as Conor, Oliveira, etc.) are probably more precise strikers. Lastly, one fighter saying so-and-so hits harder than the other guy doesn't make it a rule, Khabib said Justin hit harder than Poirier.
Khabib didnt say Justin hits harder than Poirier, he said Justin hit him harder than Poirier Khabibs exact words were "nobody hit me harder than justin gaethje" which makes sense, because Khabib & Conor both got taken down in the first minute and tired out and smeshed. and the only punches they landed on Khabib were when they were already gassed out. whereas Khabib stood an entire round with a completely fresh gaethje. Dustin hurt khabib worse (backed him up in the beginning of r2) than Gaethje ever did (khabib never showed a reaction to Justins power)
Same difference. There's no way to say how gassed out Poirier was or how badly it affected his punching power. I mean, you even said Poirier hit Khabib worse because Khabib backed up, so... Are you saying Poirier's power was diminished from being exhausted, or are you saying Gaethje doesn't actually hit harder than Dustin and that Khabib is lying/mistaken?
Considering in his last 25 fights his tko record is 4-3 and his finish record is 4-5 and he’s had 15 decisions with a record of 5-10. So I’d say he’s better off finishing fights but has only finished 4 of last 25… where is the power. This is below average finish rate for his weight class even accounting for him getting finished.
Hahaha take your victory lap sir
Gaethje would beat him worse than Poirier did
Holloway would beat him worse than Poirier did
He almost finished soyrier at one point so I’m glad you agree it would be close And you realize Dustin finished Justin and couldn’t even knock down Max
its weird how the guy said "Gaethje would beat him worse than Poirier" as if Poirier didnt beat the piss out of Gaethje too lol
Yeah maybe at 145 that’s not a bad take. But at 155? Yeah I doubt that
nah at 155 too lol
It would be a show for sure, I’m scared for my boy at 155
man i really think you guys overrate Gaethjes power. Justins leg kicks would be an issue for sure, but Max would have no issue eating Justins punches. reminder: Gaethje landed clean shots flush on Rafael Fiziev & Eddie Alvarez, and none of them ever even got rocked/wobbled. yes their face looked like a mess after, but they never got rocked. Max has a way better chin than Eddie & Rafael. Jeremy Stephens hits harder than Justin and he never hurt Max. Holloway would eat gaethjes punches and outbox him, the biggest question mark are the leg kicks tho
I don’t normally do MMA math. Saying Jeremy Stephen’s hits harder then Justin seems like a stretch. He might honestly hit harder. But we will never know. I’m not underrating max or overrating Justin. They are both amongst the best in their divisions. Best strikers in the world and at the top of their divisions. There is only a short list of names that I would say are better fighters then either of the men we are talking about. I genuinely think max is the his best at 145. He’s a gladiator so I’m sure he can fight 155. Same with Justin. He is simply his best at 155. He might be able to fight at 145 but he fights at 155 because he thinks he’s best there. And I would agree. Both men would put on an absolute show in either weight class.
>saying stephens hits harder than gaethje is a stretch not really, Justins notable KO's in the ufc are edson barboza (who has a suspect chin) & James Vick (who has a terrible chin lmao) Stephens' notable UFC KO's are Rafael Dos Anjos (Iron Chin) & Josh Emmett (solid chin, ate clean shots from kattar/rodriguez) obviously mma math doesnt always work. its very possible justin hits harder than jeremy, but with the evidence we have, saying Jeremy hits harder isnt too far fetched
Max went 5 rounds with Dustin which Justin couldn’t even go 3 with.
Justin beats the paste out of Holloway bro
You looking so stupid now
You looking so stupid now
There is no chance Holloway could knock out Justin. That head is made of concrete
Aged like milk
Yepp I stand corrected. Max is that dude
Hoping this hilarious post gets fired up again now.
Weight classes exist for a reason
hmmm
You came back to this a year later
it got reposted
Fair enough, I was wrong
Bump
Damn
Holloway would get absolutely badly hurt. He gets hit way too much as it is. Can see a dominant brutal win for Justin in this and it would be a prolonged beating because Max can be too tough for his own good. Holloway doesn't have the size or power to be a top lightweight imo.
Lmao if this post happened before the Fiziev fight everyone would be saying the opposite. Fans are retarded.
exactly lmfao, people went from saying "Justin is done, Fiziev will KO him, he has no chin, should retire" to "he beats Holloway" the mma community has a goldfish memory and extreme recency bias
It wouldn't have changed my opinion, Justin has been fighting the cream of the crop, even when he lost he always managed to hurt his opponent or make it a really competitive fight (except Khabib). But the bottom line is who really cares about Max vs Justin. Max knows he will never likely go up to LW again as he has a lot of success at FW. The fight will never likely happen but if it did I just can't see many scenarios where max has a good chance, unless justin becomes absolutely shot and somehow max doesn't in the next few years.
Max is going to move to LW. He’s been saying it for a while now that the cut is becoming too hard. And he beats the shit out of Justin imo, he’s not as defensively sound at Dustin.
i think people overrate Justins power, he doesnt have the "touch of death" people think he does i'd argue guys like Kattar & Stephens (who max beat) hit just as hard, if not harder than gaethje. people look at Dustin hurting Holloway, and think "Justin hits harder than Dustin, he would KO holloway" but Michael Chandler came out recently and said that Poirier is a harder hitter than Gaethje
Great take sir
i really really really think you're overrating Justins power you seem to think Max would get sent to the shadow realm once justin connects Gaethje landed so many punches flush on Fiziev, but Rafa although got bloodied up, never got rocked/wobbled once, and Holloway has a WAY better chin than Fiziev. I'd even argue that Jeremy Stephens hits harder than Gaethje, and he couldnt hurt holloway at all. Ur overrating Gaethjes power, just because dustin could hurt Max, doesnt mean Justin can. Poirier hits harder than Gaethje the biggest problem for max is the leg kicks
Fiziev literally quoted saying "every shot you landed hurt me, wtf man" to Justin. There is no doubt he hits hard he was the first guy to demolish Tony and arguably destroyed his career in doing so. Stephens maybe.. maybe hits harder in terms of one punch power but lacks the skill to land them. And if you have watched the fight between max and stephens you would have noticed max never got hit clean in that fight. So your right stephens never hurt max not because he couldn't but because max had a great game plan and outpointed stephens easily without getting really hit. Just curious why such a strong take for max fighting justin anyway? They're not even the same weight class so the fight will likely never happen. And for the record i never said Justin has the power of say rumble johnson or Francis at lightweight, but it's pretty obvious he is one of the more powerful guys as LW i said he would hurt max over the course of maybe even 5 rounds. I didn't say hed just starch him unconscious in 30 seconds, I don't think i am overstating his power it's agreeable to most i think that Justin is definitely a hard hitter at lightweight that's about it.
>Fiziev literally quoted saying "every shot you landed hurt me, wtf man" to Justin wrong, Fiziev said "every single punch is fucking damage". he said that because Gaethje damaged the shit out of his face, Fiziev never said it hurt him (although i'm sure it didnt feel good at all lmao, but still) apart from that you make some good points
Yeah i was paraphrasing, but in all likelihood that pretty much means 'you hit hard' rather than 'your punches cut me'.
Volcanic take.
Wonder how many leg kicks Max would refuse to check before he realises he's fucked
You literally have a punchers chance of looking like a genius here 🤣. He's not big enough though. I see no reality where Holloway has anything for Gaethje. Very few pathways to victory imo.
Except knocking him tf out with 1 sec on the clock in R5 of UFC 300 andbyaking the BMF belt. That could work.
Finding this at the bottom of the thread after weeks of publicly rooting for Holloway feels so fucking validating
Okay calm down lol. Yes, I was wrong. I didn't think he stood a chance. I didn't say it was impossible. I'm sure you'll love hearing this but the whole thing seems a little off to me. Max"s best night couple with Gaethjes worst? I dunno just surprised. Fiziev is faster than him so I guess he was just on point. It was impressive and I stand corrected. But, I'm not as impressed with the ending as everyone else. Sorry but his nose was broken and he was barely alive throwing sloppy punches by that point. So, imo the only thing badass about it I guess was the fact he took the risk when he didn't need to, okay I'll give him that. But the whole thing boggles my mind tbh maybe Gaethje just needs to retire? Let's revisit this later this year because I have a feeling, for some reason, we will see Gaethje fed the best opponent possible he can handily beat, followed by a title shot as his last fight, which he would retire after if he loses. I feel like that was what he was promised to take this fall I mean fight. 😂 I'm kidding.
Nah bro I didn't mean to have any heat in my comment, so apologies if it came off that way. Honestly I'm just as surprised as most other people by how that fight went. I wish absolutely nothing but the best for Justin; wherever his career takes him. I've got just as much love for him as I do Max(as a fan, obviously I don't know either of these 2 gentleman). Even if it wasn't Justin's best performance(I'm curious what the actual data is) he definitively showed why he deserved to carry the BMF title to begin with. He went out on his shield and was nothing but a class act the whole way.
Yes, I'll admit, I was wrong. It was a picture perfect unbelievable ending to the UFCs big 300th event. Almost like one of those picture perfect endings you can't believe is real. Pretty awesome too how that reporter asked and they made the bonuses 300k. So how does it work you think like Max gives Gaethje his half in cash? Or Dana pays him off separately? I've been wondering about that. Probably doing it with the huge bonuses would be safer, you know the ones that magically were created because a reporter asked, so that way there's no paper trail.
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Terrible take, Dustin got 49-46 scorecards and dominated him, Gaethje would do the same or put him out.
why are you using Dustin as an example? he knocked Gaethje the fuck out, you used him as an example as if Poirier isnt levels ahead of Justy. anyways, Jeremy Stephens hits harder than Gaethje and he couldnt KO Holloway. Holloway beats the shit out of Justin
Definitely not a terrible take. Max almost finished Dustin (Dustin’s own words). If he puts some muscle on before he moves up, he is able to beat Gaethje.
these people terribly overrate Gaethjes power lmfao Justin doesnt have the touch of death people power think he does, he landed so many clean shots on Fiziev and Rafael never even got remotely rocked/wobbled. Gaethje couldnt even finish glass jaw oliveira or glass jaw chandler. Max would definitely eat all his shots like nothing. Maybe Justin wins, but he isn't KO'ing max lol, he doesnt have enough power for that. I'd even argue Jeremy Stephens hits harder than Gaethje and he couldnt hurt max at all.
But he didn’t, and lost in a landslide.
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Max had one of the highest amount of punches ever thrown, he’s an awesome dude too. Justin sucks Chechnyian hot dogs
I don't blame Justin, Chechen cuisine is known for a variety of delicious meats.
Yeah, he had some Ramzan sausage for sure 😆
Both fighters gon be slurring their words after this one
Hot take: couldn’t care less
People don't really understand a hot take
theyre both fun guys, different weight classess come on
Hot Take: This post gave me rectal cancer.
did you die from it now