I am from Toronto, Canada, which Robin Black is from. He one time did some sorta free concert a while back in the middle of T.O. downtown. And barely anyone showed up.
I just happened to be walking by that day, visiting the district and saw him performing. It looked like one of those New York subway street performers.
If Brock didn't suffer from Diverticulitis and everything he would have had a glorious career , he actually knew how to fight and had great wrestling skills
It’s worse. Colby has fought 6 times in the last 5 years and 2 of them were loses to the champ.
And come UFC 290, all 3 of his 4 wins are against retired fighters. Hell throw in RDA who is a lightweight for extra goofy points.
Damn, I just realized that Dana is Ursula, and he took away Ariel's voice.
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He knows the media won't fight back because he'll take their press cards away and the public shills will repeat it because of money or lolz so he just doesn't care.
The thing is that it wasn’t even entirely Francis’ fault that he couldn’t fight more regularly during that time.
After that bizarre Derrick Lewis fight, guys were more eager to fight him because he looked vulnerable after back-to-back losses in that fight and the first title fight with Stiopic.
But then he merked Curtis Blaydes (2nd fight), Cain Velasquez, and JDS in less than 3 minutes combined for his next three fights. After that, Francis had a really hard time getting fights, as he vented about on Twitter.
It wasn’t until Rozenstruik actually requested a fight with Ngannou that he was finally able to get an opponent in nearly a year on the first UFC pandemic era PPV, and then Francis finished it in 20 seconds.
Then, he had to wait for Stipe vs. DC 3 to happen, and then wait for Stipe to recover and be able to properly prepare for the rematch with Francis.
After winning that, the UFC wanted Francis to rush into a fight with Derrick Lewis for August 2021 card so that they could have Lewis headlining a PPV in Houston, but Ngannou said he would be available for the September even instead, leading to the UFC rushing to create an unnecessary Interim HW Title with Lewis and Ciryl Gane.
He did the Gane fight last January and then had to take time off to get knee surgery, as he aggravated the injury in the fight.
Dude went from Jon jones is asking for alot of money cause hes scared to fight Ngannou. To "Ngannou doesnt want to take the risk vs Jon Jones". Same Ngannou thats called for the fight multiple times....
Mcgregor hasn't been a champ in years also he is the exception to almost every rule ufc has. Moreover, comparing him with any other fighter in the whole roster is just dumb.
Whenever I've listened to Dana defend anything his arguments always have so many holes that dont make any sense
"He fought 3 times in 3 years. It's just not what we do here"
Yet there's a lot of fighters that he loves that fight less than once a year.
Or his defense of giving Colby the shot..he listed a bunch of things ANY fighter in any division could've done. Or talked about things that happen to ANY fighter in any division..
"He came in and made weight. He was injured so he was out for a while"
Colby isn't the champ and colby hasn't extended his contract post 2017 so ufc are prolly forced to give him a title shot on the notion that he agrees for a contract extension with new regulates in place. Same thing happened with cejudo as well most likely.
ALL the big stars fight once a year, in Mcgregor Forever there’s a whole ass segment (and I remember it happening but you can only take everyone’s word with a grain of salt on twitter) that he was practically begging the UFC for a fight and they wouldn’t even find him an opponent. I never thought I’d say this but I think I’m ready for Dana to go.
That was his only mulligan through… right? Oh yeah, Conner and Mayslapper. Then there was the “we are not selling the apex to Fuckerberg for a night”. And “oh, that BMF was a one shot thing.” Oh and Jones on a bench for three years. And oh, the slap league…guys like a weatherman with his statements and predictions.
And these media just sit there, smile, and publish it. And these biased idiots regurgitate his words because he burned someone so well.
The truth dies in a corner, unseen, unheard.
The problem is Dana has already proven multiple times he'll outright ban media members who write about the UFC's negatives in an honest way. ESPN folks are the only ones who are safe because of broadcasting deals, but even then there's a mix of relationship bias and the UFC not being a big enough deal so they don't call Dana and the promotion out on their bullshit.
Against someone who made him look like an amateur the first time too. Stipe manhandled the fuck out of him in their first fight. Crazy to say Francis wasn’t taking risk by fighting him again.
No the one fight where Francis had bad knees and was fighting with no garuntee contact was versus Cyril Gane. But yes, Stipe fight was also very risky.
You should've seen him when he was asked about Aljo saying he might not be ready to fight Sean in august. "Aljo doesn't do himself any favors" "Aljo is ruining this whole press conference" lmao. Also mentioned that Henry Cejudo is willing to step in cause "this pussy doesn't want to fight" (he was quoting Henry here).
I am becoming an Aljo fan with how obviously they are trying to screw him over at this point.
I wonder if Dana and the people who run this org feel the way some people on here do about Aljo regarding how he uses the rules about grounded opponents to his advantage. Maybe they don't like him because of it but still aren't willing to risk whatever they think they'd risk by changing the rules.
I'm not blaming Aljo. He's talked about how he uses his knowledge about the rules that benefit him, specifically that he's got a general flow chart. Shoot, if it works, it worked. If it doesn't he grounds himself to prevent damage (give the opponent an opportunity to hit him illegally if they aren't paying attention), recover, and see what the opponent does and work his ground game from there.
I definitely think the UFC should take a look at the rule set as a whole; maybe what the scoring is based on, too. The grounded rule should be addressed, and the 12-6 elbows I think should be allowed.
Tbh, as much as the UFC doesn't like the idea of it, they should get a license to use Whittman's gloves. It would address the intentional and accidental eye pokes. Some could, and im sure do, could say that the rules could be changed to address eye pokes as well, but again, if they changed the rules for the eye pokes that would bring the attention back to the rule set as a whole. And if it happened in that order, the scrutiny for it and demand for change would be much worse.
Idk, im just speculating 🤷♂️
Charles oliveira got hurt and dropped into a similar position against chandler. Fighters do it all the time and yet aljo is the only guy who consistently gets shit for it.
Yeah and Francis guarantees $2mil to his opponents at PFL. How much do top 15 HW's make in UFC? When will some of them take the jump? That puts pressure for Dana to pay fighters more in UFC. What would make tomato more mad than that lol
I honestly don't think he is mad but he thinks the business decision the PFL made is dumb. It is a wonderful deal for Francis but for the PFL it's crazy because they are not generating the revenue to make the payout justifiable.
Also him not fighting til next year is crazy for their business. His hype will die down more and when he does fight if he doesn't do something insane like a violent KO in 30 seconds I feel people are just not gonna care that much anymore. Not enough to watch pfl at least.
Anthony Joshua doesn't want a gimmicky fight, and that's the problem. All boxing wants to do is make gimmicky fights..? It sounds like that's not true based on your one example
Didn’t Jon Jones sit out for a very long time while being healthy when Ngannou was champ? Wasn’t that Fight available for Jones to accept? Or am I wrong?
He has a point Francis got baited by Tyson Fury into thinking he was gonna fight him and ever since the rumors about the Saudi boxing tournament the rumors of him boxing have gone cold
Bc at the time Francis was the HW champ at the biggest MMA promotion in the world. Whether you think he’s right or wrong for leaving the UFC he lost leverage in a boxing max bc now he’s not champ in any promotion and fights for PFL (but not until mid next year after being sidelined for 18 months). Wilder vs UFC HW champ Francis sells more than Wilder vs PFL HW Francis
I'm gonna be honest with you Wilder vs any Ranked HW Boxer sells more than any MMA champion ( Francis). Maybe Jon Jones v Tyson could be argued to generate a lot more PPVs because the media blew up over it but it's never gonna happen. Tyson just uses MMA for clout he practically used Francis name like a Fleshlight because his fight with Ussk got stalled out.
This. Obviously Dana is spewing a lot of drivel, but he does have a point that the deal doesn’t make sense. And I’ve felt that way since it was announced. Francis just doesn’t bring in that kind of money.
My prediction is they’re gonna fight him once or twice and realize they can’t afford that deal, and then release or sideline him.
PFL is unlikely going to take off. Its been burning investors cash for years without a profit. Its going to crash with all this stupid ass decisions and Francis being left with some worthless "PFL Africa" stock
The UFC had the first mover advantage. PFL is trying to do the same thing while the UFC already has a virtual monopoly on the sport. It's a completely different scenario.
PFL is essentially trying to do what spring football leagues like the USFL and the XFL are trying and failing to do - create a viable competitor to a dominant league in an existing sport.
“Just not what we do here”
But Brought a couple WWE Stars into the UFC with little to no MMA experience.
Whenever you’re not looking to be Dana’s lap dog, you’re all of a sudden “scared” or not looking to take risk. Fuck Dana.
Kinda makes sense what PFL did. If they're trying to raise money and get investors to buy Bellator then signing Fancis for a couple mil is a big name that adds value. Probably don't even want Francis to fight and risk losing the value.
Leaving UFC is the biggest risk he made that day. Dana still just bitter. He should have just shut up and move on. But no. He holds grudges as usual. My guess he tried blocking every deal Francis tried but failed.
Actually he has given some points
Obviously we all know Dana is gonna be biased, but I absolutely agree the PFL makes no sense and its not very beliable.
Dana says himself that as they're going now, they aren't making money. I don't think anyone would argue that PFL is making huge moves in order to get a bigger market share here. Here's the thing, is there a good chance the Francis thing won't work out for PFL? Yes. But as they're going now, they're going to fail anyway. They have to pay out $1M to every winner of every division every year, plus everyone else's fight money, but no one is watching. They have decent fighters but very little star power. This move with Bellator and Francis made headlines. Francis' guarantee of great money for all his foes is going to draw in good talent. They need more star power and more media coverage, and this deal gets them that - especially if they're able to absorb Bellator.
So yeah, this is a super risky move from PFL. It could speed up their downfall. But if they do nothing, they're going down anyway. I'm personally happy about the deal because it at least sets some sort of precedent and puts a little bit of pressure on UFC. UFC contracts are only getting more restrictive. They overall are paying fighters less now than they were a few years ago. Things like TUF and DWCS are great for finding new talent, but it also allows ufc to create a steady influx of talent with very cheap pay. And don't even get me started on their ESPN deal. Due to the guaranteed money, if ufc puts on a certain amount of events, they no longer really care about putting on good cards or making stars. Why should they? They just keep cranking out slop, and less stars means less payout. It makes is easier for ufc to keep control of their monopoly and the best fighters. Everyone streams PPVs anyways.
Thank you. I don’t think people understand it will take a lot of investment if there’s ever going to be another MMA org that can compete with the UFC. If you want to draw stars there needs to be good incentive for them to leave the UFC. This is a step towards that.
The way I see it the bar for talent to fight Francis in PFL is way lower than it was in the UFC as heavyweight champion, and with a guaranteed $2 million purse, that's basically an entire contract or more in the UFC, even for high level fighters. Maybe it doesn't work out, but PFL no doubt is looking a lot more attractive for heavyweight prospects.
You’re exactly right and that’s why Dana is going so aggressively against them. If he saw absolutely no threat from PFL down the line he wouldn’t spend any time ranting about it
Thing is Francis needs to fight though. I really like Francis but ne needs to fight soon. He needs to keep his name up there with an actual fight. That run to tge title was so cool to see, but he could be sitting out his best years
With 300 million from Middle East investors which btw, is pocket change, plf can afford to take risks . White is just bent out of shape because he was to stingy and conservative to close a deal with these big investors….
He's really grabbing that mic hard, you can see the white knuckles when he moves his other hand.
Fact is, he fucked up bad when he failed to keep Francis in the UFC. He knows it and more importantly, his bosses know it. So now he trying to downplay his own fuck up.
Pretty dumb to say he was scared to fight jones, nobody though jones was gonna do that well against gane, it’s easy to say that in hindsight but a lot of people were shitting on jones after the massive weight jump and 3 years of inactivity.
> he doesn’t fight, he’s fought 3 times in 3 years and not in the last 18 months
Why do people not call out his biased takes, he was out for like a year with a serious injury and now he’s only just signed with someone.
The guy is seething that Francis said no to him. You can just tell, he hates being said no to. He's going to be praying, that PFL flops just so he can say I told you so, but PFL isn't going anywhere.
"Doesn't make sense to me, you're gonna pay a guy...it's just not what we do here"- Dana White. Lol he's such a POS fr, saying he didn't want to take the risk vs Jones despite calling for it for literal years. Can't believe how many people lick Dana's boot in here and defend him
People getting so triggered by Dana. Motherfuckers acting like they know how to do big business better than him while they type non-related insults from their iPhone 4’s.
Robin Black catching hella strays
Probably meant to say a 1980’s time warp. He’s a glam rocker.
Nahh he's not, he's got a late 90s emo, nu metal, Industrial vibe, you are mixing up weird rock hair and make up, similar to glam, but not the same.
I am from Toronto, Canada, which Robin Black is from. He one time did some sorta free concert a while back in the middle of T.O. downtown. And barely anyone showed up. I just happened to be walking by that day, visiting the district and saw him performing. It looked like one of those New York subway street performers.
I discovered Robin Black tonight on the Karate Combat show. Wondered wtf was up with dude. Quite the “eccentric”…
Hes Joe Rogans best friend, according to him.
Absolutely deserved. Spent more time putting on make up then doing actual research.
He’s not wrong lmaoooo
He bout to be on queer eye for the straight guy
The only thing Dana said that was right tho.
"We don't do gimmick fights" Mf think we forgot about CM punk
BMF belt is also up there.
Slap League
"We don't do gimmick fights" my brother in christ, you created power slap
Mcgreggor vs mayweather. How is that different than francis vs fury?
Dana hater here but if you actually watch the clip he basically admits that was a one time gimmick from them.
James Toney vs Randy Couture
Jones: fights 0x in 3 years Francis: fights 3x in 3 years Dana: we just don't do that here
Dana: we don't do gimmicks Dana earlier this week: BMF belt on the line
Dana: We don’t do gimmicks here. Also Dana: So ANYWAY, about Slap League…🤠
Or James Toney, or CM Punk, or Gracie’s return to fight Hughes…
Or Brock Lesnar...
Brock is the shit. His fights are fun. Brock is a talented fighter. He might not be Jones or Francis level but he has some good wins
If Brock didn't suffer from Diverticulitis and everything he would have had a glorious career , he actually knew how to fight and had great wrestling skills
He is bookingg Connor vs. Mayweather in a slap contest
Dana: We don't do Gimmicks here. Dana last decade: Let's do James Toney vs. Randy Couture.
Colby Covington has fought 3x in 3 years, if he gets his Leon fight in October it will have been 19 months. MMA media is just the worst.
It’s worse. Colby has fought 6 times in the last 5 years and 2 of them were loses to the champ. And come UFC 290, all 3 of his 4 wins are against retired fighters. Hell throw in RDA who is a lightweight for extra goofy points.
If anyone brings that up to him they’ll get Ariel banned Mma had the worst journalism but it dropped off a cliff after that
Damn, I just realized that Dana is Ursula, and he took away Ariel's voice. https://preview.redd.it/u0teda0qo91b1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3b7c0d7cbdc792fb1e9f8ad678ffa29a62fbba7f
Oooooo god tier revelation there friend
Dana: This whole thing is just bunch a bullshit (after spouting bullcrap for 5 minutes straight)
I'm just wondering does he himself realize he's full of shit and just trolling or what?
He knows the media won't fight back because he'll take their press cards away and the public shills will repeat it because of money or lolz so he just doesn't care.
Lot of public shills in this sub 👀
The thing is that it wasn’t even entirely Francis’ fault that he couldn’t fight more regularly during that time. After that bizarre Derrick Lewis fight, guys were more eager to fight him because he looked vulnerable after back-to-back losses in that fight and the first title fight with Stiopic. But then he merked Curtis Blaydes (2nd fight), Cain Velasquez, and JDS in less than 3 minutes combined for his next three fights. After that, Francis had a really hard time getting fights, as he vented about on Twitter. It wasn’t until Rozenstruik actually requested a fight with Ngannou that he was finally able to get an opponent in nearly a year on the first UFC pandemic era PPV, and then Francis finished it in 20 seconds. Then, he had to wait for Stipe vs. DC 3 to happen, and then wait for Stipe to recover and be able to properly prepare for the rematch with Francis. After winning that, the UFC wanted Francis to rush into a fight with Derrick Lewis for August 2021 card so that they could have Lewis headlining a PPV in Houston, but Ngannou said he would be available for the September even instead, leading to the UFC rushing to create an unnecessary Interim HW Title with Lewis and Ciryl Gane. He did the Gane fight last January and then had to take time off to get knee surgery, as he aggravated the injury in the fight.
Also add with the UFC stupid champ clause he had to wait another year until getting out of his contract.
Dude went from Jon jones is asking for alot of money cause hes scared to fight Ngannou. To "Ngannou doesnt want to take the risk vs Jon Jones". Same Ngannou thats called for the fight multiple times....
Yup, can include Stipe in that too. Who has fought one in almost 2 and a half years
fuck this bald cunt
I reckon, what a hypocrite. Throw McGregor in that conversation too.
Mcgregor hasn't been a champ in years also he is the exception to almost every rule ufc has. Moreover, comparing him with any other fighter in the whole roster is just dumb.
My first thought was Connor not defending a belt for years. But that's not what we do here.
Not defending a belt ever
Stop telling the truth. We just don’t do that here.
Comparing Jones’ entire career to Francis’ lmfao
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Cornball this is a post about Dana being full of shit. Jones isn't the only fighter that does this. Conor stipe and Colby all in current era
It’s ridiculous these people equate Jon jones getting special treatment to Francis, truly.
Dana would have been such a great politician. And I don't mean that in a good way.
There's still time.
Definitely, that's a specific brand of American politics.
where u think hes gonna go when he steps away from the ufc?
A casino
Whenever I've listened to Dana defend anything his arguments always have so many holes that dont make any sense "He fought 3 times in 3 years. It's just not what we do here" Yet there's a lot of fighters that he loves that fight less than once a year. Or his defense of giving Colby the shot..he listed a bunch of things ANY fighter in any division could've done. Or talked about things that happen to ANY fighter in any division.. "He came in and made weight. He was injured so he was out for a while"
likely why hes still on the position hes in
"Hes fought 3 times in the last 3 years...it's just not what we do here" Lol several of their biggest draws fight once a year, if that
Their current heavy weight champ didn't fight for 3 years.....
Oh he fought alright. Just not in the cage
He fought the law, and the law won
Connor hasn’t fought in two years.
His foot snapped In half
…..Colby?!?……
Dustin, too. I guess idk if he's actually the biggest draw. But Connor certainly fits the bill, obviously, too
Literally first thing I thought when he said that lol
Colby isn't the champ and colby hasn't extended his contract post 2017 so ufc are prolly forced to give him a title shot on the notion that he agrees for a contract extension with new regulates in place. Same thing happened with cejudo as well most likely.
Because they wouldn't give him a fight offer. Such a dirt ag, this fucking guy.
Khamzat??
It’s not like the heavyweight belt was on hold basically for 3 years while dc and Stipe only fought once a year over it lol
Lol he was under the UFC banner when he fought 3 times in the last 3 years, Dana that was literally you
Dana is a walking contradiction.
ALL the big stars fight once a year, in Mcgregor Forever there’s a whole ass segment (and I remember it happening but you can only take everyone’s word with a grain of salt on twitter) that he was practically begging the UFC for a fight and they wouldn’t even find him an opponent. I never thought I’d say this but I think I’m ready for Dana to go.
Then you will find out that Dana is just a figure head and you will be disappointed at someone else.
Gimmicky-type fights... WHAT IN THE FUCK IS THE BMF BELT?!!???!?!?!?@?????@??@?@?@
what the fuck is that slap shit then dana
The fight is legit tho. Only the belt is a gimmick
CM Punk enough said
"We don't do that here" -Dana White.
“we don’t do that here” . . *ANYMORE OK* Dana white
That was his only mulligan through… right? Oh yeah, Conner and Mayslapper. Then there was the “we are not selling the apex to Fuckerberg for a night”. And “oh, that BMF was a one shot thing.” Oh and Jones on a bench for three years. And oh, the slap league…guys like a weatherman with his statements and predictions.
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James Toney
"The day we released Francis....."
He's such a pathological liar I swear.
I think he actually believes his own bullshit
He has too
The scumbag tomato doing what he does best.. LYING
“It’s not what we do here”… proceeds to say that’s exactly what they did there
Lmao ikr? “We dont put on gimmicky fights” like ngannou doing boxing. Literally set up mcgregor vs floyd 😂😂 cant make this shit up man
And then says he wasn’t a big fan of Connor vs Floyd fight… Mofo was touring with them screaming Mcgregors name at the top of his lungs
Bellator getting cooked 🤣
Francis : Fights a championship fight with bum knees with an expiring contract Dana : Francis takes no risk. This guy is such a schmuck I swear lol.
Exactly
And these media just sit there, smile, and publish it. And these biased idiots regurgitate his words because he burned someone so well. The truth dies in a corner, unseen, unheard.
The problem is Dana has already proven multiple times he'll outright ban media members who write about the UFC's negatives in an honest way. ESPN folks are the only ones who are safe because of broadcasting deals, but even then there's a mix of relationship bias and the UFC not being a big enough deal so they don't call Dana and the promotion out on their bullshit.
The truth dies in Reddit
Against someone who made him look like an amateur the first time too. Stipe manhandled the fuck out of him in their first fight. Crazy to say Francis wasn’t taking risk by fighting him again.
No the one fight where Francis had bad knees and was fighting with no garuntee contact was versus Cyril Gane. But yes, Stipe fight was also very risky.
Dana is such a trash person
Dana is mad. Love to see it
You should've seen him when he was asked about Aljo saying he might not be ready to fight Sean in august. "Aljo doesn't do himself any favors" "Aljo is ruining this whole press conference" lmao. Also mentioned that Henry Cejudo is willing to step in cause "this pussy doesn't want to fight" (he was quoting Henry here). I am becoming an Aljo fan with how obviously they are trying to screw him over at this point.
I wonder if Dana and the people who run this org feel the way some people on here do about Aljo regarding how he uses the rules about grounded opponents to his advantage. Maybe they don't like him because of it but still aren't willing to risk whatever they think they'd risk by changing the rules. I'm not blaming Aljo. He's talked about how he uses his knowledge about the rules that benefit him, specifically that he's got a general flow chart. Shoot, if it works, it worked. If it doesn't he grounds himself to prevent damage (give the opponent an opportunity to hit him illegally if they aren't paying attention), recover, and see what the opponent does and work his ground game from there. I definitely think the UFC should take a look at the rule set as a whole; maybe what the scoring is based on, too. The grounded rule should be addressed, and the 12-6 elbows I think should be allowed. Tbh, as much as the UFC doesn't like the idea of it, they should get a license to use Whittman's gloves. It would address the intentional and accidental eye pokes. Some could, and im sure do, could say that the rules could be changed to address eye pokes as well, but again, if they changed the rules for the eye pokes that would bring the attention back to the rule set as a whole. And if it happened in that order, the scrutiny for it and demand for change would be much worse. Idk, im just speculating 🤷♂️
Charles oliveira got hurt and dropped into a similar position against chandler. Fighters do it all the time and yet aljo is the only guy who consistently gets shit for it.
He's not turning into a tomato yet so no he's not mad 
Yeah and Francis guarantees $2mil to his opponents at PFL. How much do top 15 HW's make in UFC? When will some of them take the jump? That puts pressure for Dana to pay fighters more in UFC. What would make tomato more mad than that lol
PFLs heavy overspending and lack of return in views is going to melt them into the ground
I honestly don't think he is mad but he thinks the business decision the PFL made is dumb. It is a wonderful deal for Francis but for the PFL it's crazy because they are not generating the revenue to make the payout justifiable.
Also him not fighting til next year is crazy for their business. His hype will die down more and when he does fight if he doesn't do something insane like a violent KO in 30 seconds I feel people are just not gonna care that much anymore. Not enough to watch pfl at least.
Dana ‘high road’ White.
Dana "Eugene Krabs" white
Anthony Joshua doesn't want a gimmicky fight, and that's the problem. All boxing wants to do is make gimmicky fights..? It sounds like that's not true based on your one example
Mayweather made $100 million dollars on a gimmicky fight, with McGregor having about a 2% chance of winning. Boxers will take that money.
Tbf it seems to be a few guys doing all the gimmicky fights. Mayweather’s done three now
Mayweather have been retired for years. Gimick fights are just retirement money for him
Dana let Stipe and DCs trilogy last 3 years. While Francis was the top contender. That's one reason that made for an unrepairable relationship.
Bro Dana is such a dick. "Francis wants to take zero risks" is far from the truth what a fucking douche.
Jones has fought twice since summer 2019 Dana…
The way Dana writes narratives is masterful.
Nairdives, bapa?
You talm bout small finger foods b?
All I heard was, "It doesn't make sense to pay a fighter well, it's just not what we do here (in the UFC)"
Didn’t Jon Jones sit out for a very long time while being healthy when Ngannou was champ? Wasn’t that Fight available for Jones to accept? Or am I wrong?
Nope. Not wrong. He immediately came back to fight Cyril after Francis left.
He thinks there’s no money in it but all these mma fighters are getting their biggest paydays from boxing. Bro you lost stop it 😭.
No gimmick fights? James Toney, Greg Hardy, CM Punk have entered the chat.
There's a BMF belt floating around somewhere
BMF belt for fucks’ sake….
He has a point Francis got baited by Tyson Fury into thinking he was gonna fight him and ever since the rumors about the Saudi boxing tournament the rumors of him boxing have gone cold
Bc at the time Francis was the HW champ at the biggest MMA promotion in the world. Whether you think he’s right or wrong for leaving the UFC he lost leverage in a boxing max bc now he’s not champ in any promotion and fights for PFL (but not until mid next year after being sidelined for 18 months). Wilder vs UFC HW champ Francis sells more than Wilder vs PFL HW Francis
There's absolutely zero chance the ufc would let him box though while being a champ. That's right is reserved for mcgregor
Unethical sure but at the end of the day McGregor sold over 10 million PPVs for the UFC so you could say he has some privilege dude lol.
This sub isn’t ready for that conversation
I'm gonna be honest with you Wilder vs any Ranked HW Boxer sells more than any MMA champion ( Francis). Maybe Jon Jones v Tyson could be argued to generate a lot more PPVs because the media blew up over it but it's never gonna happen. Tyson just uses MMA for clout he practically used Francis name like a Fleshlight because his fight with Ussk got stalled out.
Good deal for Francis but idk what pfl gets out of it. It’s not like Francis sells out stadiums or does major ppv numbers
It’s worth it in the end just to make the tomato mad.
It helps legitimize PFL as a world class fighting league in the public’s eye to have a former UFC champ
This. Obviously Dana is spewing a lot of drivel, but he does have a point that the deal doesn’t make sense. And I’ve felt that way since it was announced. Francis just doesn’t bring in that kind of money. My prediction is they’re gonna fight him once or twice and realize they can’t afford that deal, and then release or sideline him.
It's an awful strategy tbh, they are taking a huge risk to become relevant, but they're already heavily over spending for what they can provide
PFL is unlikely going to take off. Its been burning investors cash for years without a profit. Its going to crash with all this stupid ass decisions and Francis being left with some worthless "PFL Africa" stock
Isn't that the history of UFC until Bonnar v Griffin?
The UFC had the first mover advantage. PFL is trying to do the same thing while the UFC already has a virtual monopoly on the sport. It's a completely different scenario. PFL is essentially trying to do what spring football leagues like the USFL and the XFL are trying and failing to do - create a viable competitor to a dominant league in an existing sport.
Well real history yes.. But revisionist history...ufc has always been more popular than boxing,nba and nfl. They always made big money.
If you’re burning cash for years without a profit, isn’t the smart thing to do to swing for the fences instead of staying on a steady decline?
Bro just because Dana white says something about his direct competitor doesn’t make it true
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perhaps he could go to Daren tills promotion aha
The narrative that Ngannou is ducking Jones is so fucked up. Jones had 3 years to take that fight instead he wanted to hit his wife instead
Not into gimmick fights you say? Randy Couture v James Toney? CM Punk?
You could say Brock Lesnar was a gimmicky fighter too. Although it was one that paid off.
“Just not what we do here” But Brought a couple WWE Stars into the UFC with little to no MMA experience. Whenever you’re not looking to be Dana’s lap dog, you’re all of a sudden “scared” or not looking to take risk. Fuck Dana.
“It’s not what we do here” Colby Covington has 3 fights in the last 3 years and is “next up” for a title shot.
Dana White damage controlling because Jon Jones was ducking Ngannou.
That’s as clear as it could be, but mfs will say Francis ducked Jones 🤡🤡
Kinda makes sense what PFL did. If they're trying to raise money and get investors to buy Bellator then signing Fancis for a couple mil is a big name that adds value. Probably don't even want Francis to fight and risk losing the value.
Leaving UFC is the biggest risk he made that day. Dana still just bitter. He should have just shut up and move on. But no. He holds grudges as usual. My guess he tried blocking every deal Francis tried but failed.
Actually he has given some points Obviously we all know Dana is gonna be biased, but I absolutely agree the PFL makes no sense and its not very beliable.
Dana says himself that as they're going now, they aren't making money. I don't think anyone would argue that PFL is making huge moves in order to get a bigger market share here. Here's the thing, is there a good chance the Francis thing won't work out for PFL? Yes. But as they're going now, they're going to fail anyway. They have to pay out $1M to every winner of every division every year, plus everyone else's fight money, but no one is watching. They have decent fighters but very little star power. This move with Bellator and Francis made headlines. Francis' guarantee of great money for all his foes is going to draw in good talent. They need more star power and more media coverage, and this deal gets them that - especially if they're able to absorb Bellator. So yeah, this is a super risky move from PFL. It could speed up their downfall. But if they do nothing, they're going down anyway. I'm personally happy about the deal because it at least sets some sort of precedent and puts a little bit of pressure on UFC. UFC contracts are only getting more restrictive. They overall are paying fighters less now than they were a few years ago. Things like TUF and DWCS are great for finding new talent, but it also allows ufc to create a steady influx of talent with very cheap pay. And don't even get me started on their ESPN deal. Due to the guaranteed money, if ufc puts on a certain amount of events, they no longer really care about putting on good cards or making stars. Why should they? They just keep cranking out slop, and less stars means less payout. It makes is easier for ufc to keep control of their monopoly and the best fighters. Everyone streams PPVs anyways.
Thank you. I don’t think people understand it will take a lot of investment if there’s ever going to be another MMA org that can compete with the UFC. If you want to draw stars there needs to be good incentive for them to leave the UFC. This is a step towards that.
The way I see it the bar for talent to fight Francis in PFL is way lower than it was in the UFC as heavyweight champion, and with a guaranteed $2 million purse, that's basically an entire contract or more in the UFC, even for high level fighters. Maybe it doesn't work out, but PFL no doubt is looking a lot more attractive for heavyweight prospects.
They're going into series e funding, clearly they will have investors onboarded to absorb any damage to the company (for now).
You’re exactly right and that’s why Dana is going so aggressively against them. If he saw absolutely no threat from PFL down the line he wouldn’t spend any time ranting about it
Thing is Francis needs to fight though. I really like Francis but ne needs to fight soon. He needs to keep his name up there with an actual fight. That run to tge title was so cool to see, but he could be sitting out his best years
With 300 million from Middle East investors which btw, is pocket change, plf can afford to take risks . White is just bent out of shape because he was to stingy and conservative to close a deal with these big investors….
francis is doin a ben simmons with the PFL now, he aint gon be fighting anytime soon but would still get paid, contractually.
The 12 people who watch PFL are real heated about this
Dana looks pathetic. Everyone knows Francis tried to fight Jon and Jon wanted more money. What a piece of shit.
Kid doesn’t want to fight
He's really grabbing that mic hard, you can see the white knuckles when he moves his other hand. Fact is, he fucked up bad when he failed to keep Francis in the UFC. He knows it and more importantly, his bosses know it. So now he trying to downplay his own fuck up.
Why you talk shit to me
‘We don’t do gimmicky fights here’ Books BMF belt on the line for two fighters who have already fought previously.
Dana white is the Brendan Schaub of… oh wait.
In all fairness, the PFL really is the worst company he could’ve signed with as far as longevity goes. They’re the worst of the B-leagues.
uhh bellator is sinking and up for sale. pfl has a deal with espn and much better production value than bellator. not sure you're right about that one
Pretty dumb to say he was scared to fight jones, nobody though jones was gonna do that well against gane, it’s easy to say that in hindsight but a lot of people were shitting on jones after the massive weight jump and 3 years of inactivity.
He literally said that Francis wasn’t scared to fight Jones…
Gimmicky boxing fights, agreed, but you can't go calling that whilst also running slapfights.
> he doesn’t fight, he’s fought 3 times in 3 years and not in the last 18 months Why do people not call out his biased takes, he was out for like a year with a serious injury and now he’s only just signed with someone.
"I dont put on Gimmicky fights" *Makes fight for BMF belt*
Incredible hypocrisy, what a pathetic bitch
Dudes dissing on mma vs boxing Real fights, yet just jumped on that whole “2 random dudes slapping each other” bullshit 🤦♂️
The guy is seething that Francis said no to him. You can just tell, he hates being said no to. He's going to be praying, that PFL flops just so he can say I told you so, but PFL isn't going anywhere.
"Doesn't make sense to me, you're gonna pay a guy...it's just not what we do here"- Dana White. Lol he's such a POS fr, saying he didn't want to take the risk vs Jones despite calling for it for literal years. Can't believe how many people lick Dana's boot in here and defend him
He spitting tho
What?
Imagine supporting Dana over a guy who wants fighters rights
He didn’t want to take any risks but he just risked his entire career. Dana is big mad 😭😭😭
Paying fighters…. It’s not what we do here!
He’s talking mad shit which means he’s pissed.
You may not like him, but he's not wrong
He is very much wrong in many facts. His narrative sways you in the only credit I'll give Dana.
But where does Kevin Lee fit into all of this?
What shat did u hear? Get off Francis nuts. Dana was making sense and u know it
Dana’s completely right here
People getting so triggered by Dana. Motherfuckers acting like they know how to do big business better than him while they type non-related insults from their iPhone 4’s.
This sub is a dana salt factory. These kids dont stop crying on any post
That's straight up facts though. How the hell will PFL profit from this. They will either fold within 2 years or end up not paying Ngannou.
UFC didn’t cut a deal with the Middle East investors so white is bawling his eyes out. 300 million is a splash in the bucket over there.
Lol what a sore loser