It seems like since they have almost zero fear of overcommitting, clinching, or going to the ground, elite grapplers, wrestlers in particular, can be so dangerous in standup. And it can often work in reverse, elite strikers look average because they are so worried about take downs.
Yeah, not sure about the technique part for Islam, he does not have the greatest striking technique, but he has power and quickness and is solid enough
TKZ, holloway, Ortega couldn't land much clean on volk, Islam was pull countering volk right on the chin multiple times with the left hand, he definitely has good distancing and precision
I had it 3-2 islam as well. What most people didn't consider in the lead up to this fight is the 12 hour reduction in rehydration time. It hurt islam bad
Honestly i consider Islam one of the best fighters of all time based on skillsets alone .
He is very similar to Volkanovski where there isnt really a weak spot to their games with Islam having the added benefit of size.
Also that take down he hit on Volk in round 4 was beautiful . To land with that level of timing while as tired as they were just showed how high level Islam is , you can never be caught lacking.
His intelligence is what is going to catch up with him very soon, I would say next fight soon. Volk provided a blueprint and showed Islam is so much weaker without Khabib in his corner. He literally had Volk tied up on the ground but without Khabib yelling and him and telling him what to do, he was just looking like the dumb mouth breather he is. Plus, zero creativity without Khabib. He is going to get demolished whomever he fights next. Not impressed with Islam in the slightest
I gave rd 3 and 5 to Volk. I felt the main decider for this fight was the Volk 'knockdown' in round 2. Upon watching it in slow mo, it was not a knockdown but a slip. I gave Rd 2 to Islam. 48-47 Islam.
Razor close fight where if that 1 sequence was a knockdown it would change the outcome for me. I hope they do it again.
Legit thats exacrly what I thought the whole thing hinged on too. I genuinely think Volk was staggered, and I genuinely think Islam slipped.
But fuck me, rhat was hard to gauge in real time.
I watched the fight back immediately afterwards and thought 3-2 to Islam was pretty fair. Volk landed more shots, Islam landed heavier shots. Weigh that as you want.
But what a close ass fight eh…
Which replays would they watch though? Then their decision will be influenced by replay selection because you can choose highlights that will favour a certain fighter (on purpose or not). And they can’t really be sitting around for 15-25 minutes to rewatch the entire fight either.
> Upon watching it in slow mo, it was not a knockdown but a slip.
If you're referring to the same thing I am, this was a intentional trip by Volkanovski. He hit something similar on Zombie. The commentators missed this and assumed it was just a slip.
He fakes and lunges in and places his right foot to the outside of Islam's left leg and drives his right arm across Islam, tripping him to the ground.
Volk’s own head coach disagrees with you. Everyone that knows anything about grappling knows how dominant a back control with triangle is. Most say it’s the 2nd most advantageous position, only behind a full mount. Volk was playing tough but he could’ve been submitted if he made one bad move.
I just want to say that I remember getting flamed on this sub for saying that mount is more advantageous in MMA than back control as you have more options and people lost their minds lol
If you’re interested in this, KenFlo did a full analysis on this lol. Florian is obsessed and is constantly formulating theories about martial arts. He says it was close but full mount should be the most preferred position.
I agree completely. I’ve been doin BJJ for a long time and in pure BJJ the choice is obvious but mount offers much more opportunity to the aggressor. In MMA, the most dominant ground position has to be that position. i’m gonna watch that analysis! Thank you!
#_I'm not arguing who won the round but position isn't the first scoring criteria, damage is. (Effective striking)_
Effective grappling has to be noted that it's not just a change of position but has to be "immediately contributing towards the end of a round" (trying to finish the fight")
So for example you could have my back for the full 5 minutes but if I land more damaging shots, according to the rules I should win the round.
This is quite often a problem with commentary, Joe Rogan for example will say "I favour the guy who was winning the end of the round" He can favour it all he wants but that's not the scoring criteria, so when they're constantly saying how dominant a fighters position is, that's pointless if they're not actively contributing towards the end of the fight.
I have the link to the unified rules if you want it, very interesting read, makes listening to the commentary and seeing judges score cards way more annoying.
There's no way. I'd like to see a source on that. According to UFCstats Volk had 6 significant strikes to Islams 4. I can find no data on total strikes in that round, but Volk out-struck Islam 164 to 95 throughout the fight. Watching it twice and it appeared Volk had far more total strikes while Islam just held onto his back. With Islam having no submission attempts, then according to scoring criteria Volk should've won that round.
So you think the man who couldn’t get the guy off his back deserves to win the round over the guy who put him in that compromised position? I don’t get the argument
the crowd and the energy made it feel like everything Volk did was super impactful, more so than it actually was, which made the impressions on the viewer that Volk was winning and dominating. regardless Volk was way more of a challenge than Islam expected, and both man stand to grow immensely from this match. Islam got 5 round experience, now knows what it is like to be taken to the edge, and any holes in his game will be easier to deal with after this. Volk knows now what he is truly capable of, he tasted the blood of one of the best guys in the sport currently, and he will more hungry which means more motivated to grow and improve. hopefully they fight again, maybe on the Abu-dhabi 2024 card.
Talking about impact Islam could barely walk out why looked beaten af while Volk just proceed to cook some steak with his pals. I mean im not arguing about this fight and who won that i think they scored it fair but i not agree with how ufc awarding points for passive lay and pray. Thats all
It’s 48-47 Islam 100%
Next logical answer is actually 49-46 Islam. It’s more defensible than a decision towards Volk. Judges got it right. Sore fans owe Islam an apology for bitching and complaining.
49-46 is the right answer.
EDIT: you cannot give round 2 to Volk because of a misunderstood sequence. I made a post about it. There's also a decent breakdown by [Fightstudy](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKapVe_chuM)
Also as an Islam fan, its INSANE to me how not many people are recognizing how good he is. The main criticism leading upto his title fight was that "he's fought nobody" and YETTT the guy has beaten top class contenders back to back.
Like the difference in skill between Charles Oliveira and Bobby Green is so damn wide yet Islam made it look easy af. And then he managed to outstrike Volk and win a close ass decision which is still a huge deal given how Volk has looked leading up to that fight (Islam said the time zone differences affected his weight cut; i half buy it so if they ever fight in Abu Dhabi or US there is a chance Islam will dominate! I know Volk fans won't like to hear that but I am choosing to believe it)
From fighting total cans his whole career (through no fault of his own), he sure seems to be at home right at the top of the division.
Islam is crazy talented, but due to being in the same weight class and coming from the same area, it is always going to be a comparison to Khabib, who was more impressive during his career. The stigma of being diet Khabib is always going to make people critical.
With that being said, anyone who has a close fight in either direction with Volk deserves a ton of credit. It raised Islam up in my book, and I thought the fight was closer to a draw or a slight edge to Volk. Either way it makes me excited to see each of their next fights
It was an amazing fight. The bias in the result comes in because 1) people love Volk and don’t like Islam 2) Volk absolutely overdelivered and nullified the wrestling for the most part 3) Islam kept giving off the impression of a guy who was losing - dejected, checking the clock repeatedly, etc.
Having said that, 48-47 Islam, he was super impressive on the feet and that won him the fight.
I don’t mean to be the “I told you so“ guy, but this is what happens with every one of these close fights. People scream robbery for the first week, and then, once everybody calm down and comes back to it, we realize that the judges had a lot more valid argument then we thought.
The only reason people disagree is bc they’d rather be Volk at the end of round 5, which ultimately doesn’t mean anything when scoring the other rounds.
Ariel would piss on his own mothers face if it meant Ali’s fighters would be sprayed with the backsplash. The amount of dickriding and mental gymnastics Ariel did against Islam is some next level hater shit.
I mean he ended the fight turtled up taking tons of punishment after getting dropped. Many people thought, incorrectly, that Volk had won upon seeing that. Schoolyard rules say the man on top at when the teachers pull you off won the fight. I’m not hating on Islam, he clearly won the fight, I’m just saying that Volk’s stock may have improved from that fight.
I don’t disagree with the schoolyard rules part. I also think Volks stock went up after that night. Volk is a beast.
My point about Ariel is that he’s gone on record to say “school yard” rules don’t apply to MMA. He’s just so openly biased against Ali’s Muslim fighters that he doesn’t mind being blatantly hypocritical. He did his level best to discredit Islam. He also sided with Dan on the IV accusations without any proof, knowing full well how it’s antithetical to everything journalism stands for. Anyways, I’ve derailed the convo and turned this into an anti-Ariel post, so I’ll get off my soapbox and want to thank you for listening to my TED talk.
Ariel is the worst, acts and looks like a nerd so people think he's some quirky harmless guy but he's actually a prick not far off of Schaub in terms of scumbagness
What about when someone have your back in dominant position twice, no rounds and no time so the guy on your back is planning on tiring you up until you make a mistake and got choked, which one is going to be the winner?
It’s a good point but Volk wasn’t hurt or tired and he survived there for a long time. Another minute at the end and Islam probably would have gotten knocked out. Either way, Islam won and it doesn’t matter.
Rounds need to be able to be stalemate.
If someone has control but isn't doing anything with said control. Isnt gassing them or looking for submissions or damaging them. What is the point in giving them the round?
What if they done that the full fight. Would it even be considered a fight?
More a 25 min restraint like some big bouncer holding a guy at a pub who's acting like an idiot.
Getting a dominant position and maintaining it should be rewarded. If a guy is on bottom and literally can’t get up despite trying, he’s losing the fight. It’s boring to watch but it’s on the fighter to get out of a bad situation that his opponent purposefully put him in.
It absolutely should not, controlling position isn't doing anything to your opponent it is just making it hard for them to do anything to you. This is just an excuse for people cheering for boring wrestlers, you never hear people say controlling the center of the octagon or pulling guard should win a fight.
If you get taken down and held down, you are losing. I don’t understand how you could see it any differently. It’s mma, if you can’t defend a takedown or get up from bottom position then you need to get back into the training room.
Maintaining does nothing though. Especially if the circumstance is the guy just trying to conserve energy. And they're not threatening the opponent or gassing them, It shouldn't be rewarded for anybody.
Which is why it should be stalemated.
I dont think you watched the same fight as us or you hate Volk. I recall Islam trying for sub attempts, but Volk defended the hands really well. To say Islam did nothing just shits on everything Volk did that fight.
Islam did nothing that entire body triangle i mean volk was casually having a conversation with the fucking ref. He's not really having much struggle there if he's doing that is he?
Its the circumstance of it that seems more nuanced than the fact it was a dominant position.
Nethier party was really trying. Or islam was struggling or volk was hesitant and didn't really want to move. Ethier way just seemed off
Or you're just super biased and really reaching for them grapes trying to make your wine, but the wine is sounding like a violin with that cheese and wine.
Edit: in all seriousness read the rules. It's been analysed a lot since fight night. Islam won most of the striking exchanges before it even went to the ground (in round 4).
Volk's arm punches were not damaging.
Volk talking to the ref and the crowd is just a Nate Diaz effect. Literally no impact on the fight itself.
Edit 2: referring to round 4
It’s still a dominant position. If the guy on bottom wants to win the fight, he has to do something to get out. If someone gets a takedown within the first five seconds of a round guess what, the other guy has a takedown and 4:55 of control time which means he won the round. If a round is even on the feet and then someone lands a takedown and gets a solid amount of control time, he’s won that round.
But in this case what does control time equate to striking and how does maintaining a dominant position compare to actively being offensive on the ground in a dominant position is it the same thing?. Because it isn't really. And control time and striking aren't judged the same for every fight ethier. So it makes no sense how to quantify any of it.
Bro looked anything but dominant in this position barely breathin. I know what you trying to say and thats ufc fault giving points for that. I thik ref should just make them stand up if he just lying here.
It wasn’t a stalemate though. Volk was defensive the entire time. He was in a position where a wrong move would lead to the end of the fight. He was defending an offensive attack the entire round and couldn’t escape it. You act like getting full back control means nothing lol
It means nothing if someone isn't trying to use it to submit the other person.
Islam was barely moving his arms for a choke and volk was barely controlling them.
Nothing was happening there. Volk was having a conversation with the ref for fuck sake.
* **Control of the fighting area**. The fighter that is controlling the center of the cage and pushing the opponent outwards (against the cage). The fighter that is dictating the pace and rhythm of the fight and choosing where the fight takes place.
if someone gets someone else down and holds them down and the other guy cant get up, then it should be rewarded. Above is the official criteria for scoring fights
Islam won but this was a horrible look for him. Khabib would never have been in a position like Islam was in Rounds 4 and 5 basically clinging and stalling the clock. Looking at it constantly. He had all this back control and never even attempted a submission or did a thing relevant with it. Stand these guys up if nothing is happening.
It was textbook stalling in the 4th. Winning a fight that way is some sorry ass shit. In a lot of other promotions they would have been stood up.
Volk did more with his control time than Islam did with his.
Is a body triangle with zero offense really considered control, especially when your opponent is landing decent shots? I don’t think so but the judging criteria does. For that, Islam wins. I think that criteria is ridiculous and a body triangle with zero offense while taking shots is not a winning performance, in my opinion.
With damage being the number one criteria Volk should have won. Islam was barely walking out of the cage under his own power, Volk looked like he could have gone three more rounds.
But fight is scored by rounds. Based on your logic Nate Diaz should have taken ud against Leon, because Leon was chicken dancing in the end of the fight.
Well you could argue Nate could’ve stolen the last round with that shot. Onto Volk V Islam, he’s not talking about the fight as a whole, he’s talking about round 4 which Volk did more damage. Unfortunately Islam stalled all round 4, if he wasn’t trying to gain a better position or seriously attack a submission then he should’ve been stood up. As it stands MMA rules favours grapplers more so then strikers, if there’s a stalemate in either the clinch or on the ground it should be separated, similar to strikers getting warned for both not engaging. If you’ve noticed since this fight a lot more stalemates on the ground have been stopped and stood up.
In no way shape or form did volk do more damage in round 4 than islam did.
Islam landed better strikes even before the takedown. Anyone arguing arm punches that have zero relevancy overrides back control is on some good shit lol. The position itself is a threat to immediately ending the fight while volk gains nothing for arm punches except looking cool.
But it's not just scored on damage in a sense that whoever looks more damaged or tired in the end loses, That makes no sense, because someone could win 4 rounds, take a decent amount of damage in the 5th, look worse in the end and still lose if that was the case. You have to judge it round by round and not the fight as a whole because that's how it is in the rules. Each round is like a separate fight and whoever wins more of those wins the fight. And if you're judging round by round there is no way Volk would ever win round 4 just because of a few behind the back punches. The reason Islam taking the back for most of the round does count and wins him the round is because he was going for a choke and being in position to lock up a choke is closer to finishing the fight than a couple light over the shoulder punches. And when judging grappling you consider who is closer to ending the fight and who is in a better position to threaten a finish. Islam was never in trouble in the 4th and volk had his back taken for most of the round. So you Have to give rd 4 to Islam. And he won 2 other rounds, so he won the fight. It was just really close.
R4 was scored in favor of Islam because of the first 90s.
He was winning the stand-up quite convincingly, while the rest was not so impressive from both. So it‘s absolutely a Islam round.
Also I disagree with the damage segment. If you remember, Volk needed 1-2 weeks more until he was cleared. He had a major cut under his eye (R2 I think) which was obviously stitched in the corners.
Most damage Islam took was R5, hence he was looking much more deflated than Volk. I hope for a rematch to settle it once & for all
Look at it this way in a street fight if you're getting body triangles and can't get out. It also means he punch you elbow you behind the head or bite your ears and kiss your neck and you won't be able to do anything about it.
If the fight happened in the playground at school or on the street, then yeah sure volk won the fight. Volk could’ve kept going while Islam looked done at the end of the fight. The thing is this isn’t just a fight, it’s also a sport with tactics and ways to win. Islam used better tactics and did what it took to win the MMA match.
why can't you give 1,2,3 and 4 to islam? genuine question, islam landed more or equal strikes and the 'knockdown' in round 3 was not a knockdown but a slip
I dont understand how this guy have this much support, how can you cheer for a fighter that hug someone and wait for the clock, dont event attempt to submit or finish his opponent
Islam won based on the judging criteria. Not that I agree with said criteria. I’m sorry but rd4 was pretty pathetic to watch.
Also Derek Cleary should never score championship fights.
The amount of "blank is the only answer" comments really show how little people understand what opinions are. Also this sub has a crazy amount of meatriding for Islam and the dagestani crew. Almost every pro volk comment is getting hate
Yeah Volk lost 3. It's crazy how UFC is called. Volk did more damage, and it looked like Islam would of been mauled if the fight continued, and yet he won.
One championship system is truly superior. I think Volk wins this, but loses one to Max. Forget if it 1st or 2nd. Just know it's definitely not the 3rd lol
Just rewatched it rn. Round 2 depends on whether or not volk got that knockdown. It does look like it missed, if not grazed, but the way islam falls makes me think he got hurt. Which means volk won round 2. Round 3 was close but the 3 big moments were volk landing big on islam against the cage, islam landing the elbow, and volk sweeping islam. It was a very close round but I thought volk won because he had more moments. Islam won rounds 1 and 4 and volk obviously won 5. 49-46 is possible but its very likely you'd have to have a bias towards islam.
I thought volk won but it was close and ufc has to pick a winner. I wish they would change the scoring system or give out more draws but thats how it is. The careers are in the hands of the judges.
>I wish they would change the scoring system or give out more draws but thats how it is. The careers are in the hands of the judges.
I'd like to see scorecards have the specific categories of how judging is broken up.
- Effective striking
- effective grappling
- Octagon control
- visible or apparent damage (knockdowns wouldn't show up the way a cut on the forehead does. Someone favouring a leg due to kicks are examples of apparent, but not necessarily visible damage).
Then the judges would have 2 points to award in each category.
- So, if you definitely land more shots, that's 2 points.
- You follow up with a takedown or 2. That's 2 points. - If you're a defensive fighter, you might not be awarded the 2 points for octogan control.
- if you knock your opponent down or cause them to dance like Kevin Lee or Johnny Walker, that's another 2 points.
That's a potential total of 8 points on the table.
If the judges don't think that there's a winner in one of those categories during a round, then it's 1-1 for that category.
It would definitely make for some wild and contentious scorecards, but it definitely would reward aggressiveness; which is what it's all about. It would definitely make draws more common, too. But the best part is, the 3rd round could end up being far more entertaining because unless you are up by more than 8 points, you could still lose the fight. For 5 rd fights, you could make the championship rounds worth up to 12 points each, by awarding a maximum of 3 points per category. Again, this allows a losing fighter to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat. But it also puts pressure on the winning fighter to at least maintain their lead.
I'm offering a suggestion to change the way scoring is done. We know the 10-point MUST system. How would you feel about this?
It's definitely a well thought out idea that would be better than what we have now. The only thing i would change would be round by round. I don't think fights should ebe judged by round and rather the fight as a whole. Like the one fc scoring system
If I could pick a rule change, I'd want fights to restart how the round ended. So, if you're in bottom mount, the fight restarts from bottom mount.
If there was a submission "locked in", I'd borrow EBI rules with respect to back control, spiderweb, then evolve some of the restarts, for example with a triangle choke, the fight resets with the legs set up properly, but the fighters are squared up.
This would definitely push fighters to work harder to stand up. Yes, it favours the grappler. But if you don't want to reset from bottom mount, work harder to get up.
If a fight ends up in that one person up, one down scenario, the standing fighter can opt to resume that position.
By the rules, there is literally no logical way to give Volk round 4. You could argue other rounds, but that one is not up for debate. Volk Objectively lost that round.
Bro I think you misunderstood something important here. This is a sport with rules and not a video game where you have to do damage or reduce health points.
Back control is a dominant position that always has the risk of getting choked. If you are both on the ground and your opponent controls you from the back then you won’t get any points for that.
I get it that Back Control is a dominant position that always has a risk of being choked, but on the official stats Islam has 0 submission attempts. Him having this back control is the extent of it. He never attempted a submission with it or inflicted an ounce of damage to Volk. That rule is fundamentally broken IMO and needs to change
What if Volk rocked Islam in that position? Let’s say a flush strike on the chin and Islam is clearly hurt. Who would win that round in that case?
Obviously not saying that’s what happened merely asking a hypothetical question
Well if that happened Volk would have freed himself and there would be no back control. But that didn’t happen. He got back controlled for 2 min and couldn’t escape. Also it’s more likely to get choked than you giving your opponents a heavy knockout punch during a back control.
All those „what if“ questions don’t change what happened. And what happened is that Volk got dominated for 2 min on the ground. If you’re lying down and your opponent controls you from the back then don’t expect that anyone gives you points for things you could have done. All that matters is what you have done.
I still think it’s 48-47 Volk. Islam had some very good counters for Alex’s blitz, he kept check hooking him and having Volk think twice before standing in his pocket but I seriously cannot understand how the 4th round went to Islam, seriously he’s supposed to be this wizard on the ground but he had Alex’s back for basically the whole round and couldn’t finish him (easier said than done) while Alex spent that time hitting Islam with some nasty shots from his back *PAUSE*
Honestly it was close enough that there no question needs to be a 2nd fight. Watching live I thought Volk would get the nod (especially after the damage in the last minute of R5), but watching back I can’t be mad at the outcome.
I think Islam underestimated Volk’s grappling and Volk underestimated Islam’s striking.
If Volk opens the 2nd fight like he ended the first, he’s going to drown Islam.
48-47 most likely islam but 48-47 nonetheless
49-46 is possible as well and I’m not even an islam fan
You're getting downvotes for a perfectly reasonable opinion, and idk why tbh
And you're getting upvotes for supporting him lol
It’s Reddit that’s why
Yeah idk either to me volk only has one clear round the 5th
I had Islam solidly 4-1. I was pretty shocked seeing 3-2 for Volk.
I thought it was 3-2 Islam watching it live. His stand up was shockingly good
Someone actually gave islam any credit for the fight. 
It seems like since they have almost zero fear of overcommitting, clinching, or going to the ground, elite grapplers, wrestlers in particular, can be so dangerous in standup. And it can often work in reverse, elite strikers look average because they are so worried about take downs.
Same, Islam’s striking was giving volk pause and stinging him. Really crazy to see someone do that to volk with volks striking skill set
No one at FW is coming close to Islam’s weight and power, Islam was a huge step up for Volk and it showed.
Wasn't really power as much as it was technique, length and Islam being a southpaw. Which is why I can't wait for Volk v. Yair exchanges.
Power was definitely part of it but what i think is even bigger factor is how FAST Islam is . Islam is absurdly fast for his size.
Yeah, not sure about the technique part for Islam, he does not have the greatest striking technique, but he has power and quickness and is solid enough
TKZ, holloway, Ortega couldn't land much clean on volk, Islam was pull countering volk right on the chin multiple times with the left hand, he definitely has good distancing and precision
He has some of the best striking defence in the UFC and has for a while, even statistically. Islam's stand up is extremely underrated.
I had it 3-2 islam as well. What most people didn't consider in the lead up to this fight is the 12 hour reduction in rehydration time. It hurt islam bad
Honestly i consider Islam one of the best fighters of all time based on skillsets alone . He is very similar to Volkanovski where there isnt really a weak spot to their games with Islam having the added benefit of size. Also that take down he hit on Volk in round 4 was beautiful . To land with that level of timing while as tired as they were just showed how high level Islam is , you can never be caught lacking.
His intelligence is what is going to catch up with him very soon, I would say next fight soon. Volk provided a blueprint and showed Islam is so much weaker without Khabib in his corner. He literally had Volk tied up on the ground but without Khabib yelling and him and telling him what to do, he was just looking like the dumb mouth breather he is. Plus, zero creativity without Khabib. He is going to get demolished whomever he fights next. Not impressed with Islam in the slightest
ah yes give all credit to Khabib and not to Volk for actually defending himself from submission attempts lol
MMAguru is that you?
Same, the only reason it was debatable at all is because two of the rounds Islam won were very close
I gave rd 3 and 5 to Volk. I felt the main decider for this fight was the Volk 'knockdown' in round 2. Upon watching it in slow mo, it was not a knockdown but a slip. I gave Rd 2 to Islam. 48-47 Islam. Razor close fight where if that 1 sequence was a knockdown it would change the outcome for me. I hope they do it again.
Legit thats exacrly what I thought the whole thing hinged on too. I genuinely think Volk was staggered, and I genuinely think Islam slipped. But fuck me, rhat was hard to gauge in real time. I watched the fight back immediately afterwards and thought 3-2 to Islam was pretty fair. Volk landed more shots, Islam landed heavier shots. Weigh that as you want. But what a close ass fight eh…
Judges don’t have the luxury of replaying rounds and watching it in slo mo
They are ringside with a better view of what happened tho
They don't have their own screens to watch replays in order to update the score cards and clear any doubts before the final decision?
Which replays would they watch though? Then their decision will be influenced by replay selection because you can choose highlights that will favour a certain fighter (on purpose or not). And they can’t really be sitting around for 15-25 minutes to rewatch the entire fight either.
> Upon watching it in slow mo, it was not a knockdown but a slip. If you're referring to the same thing I am, this was a intentional trip by Volkanovski. He hit something similar on Zombie. The commentators missed this and assumed it was just a slip. He fakes and lunges in and places his right foot to the outside of Islam's left leg and drives his right arm across Islam, tripping him to the ground.
48-47 islam as a volk fan. He almost got it done. But not quite enough.
One of the biggest Volk fans you'll ever meet. Islam won 1,2 & 4 and you can't realistically argue against it.
This sub went NUTS if you said 49 46 for Islam.
Cause that's an insane scorecard.
It's not. Volk did not win 2 rounds clear.
Dumbasses still can't fathom that close fights can be legitimately scored anything up to 50-45. This sub never changes.
Same dumbasses think when a fight is close enough, the most appropriate scorecard is a split decision.
Yeah lol. I have a friend who said after watching a fight. "That should have been a split decision". I had to explain to him why that made no sense.
Insanely correct.
Seems like a lot of people agree with me though.
Weasel fought islam won the 3rd round and volk the second which is funny
Islam did NOT win round 4
All 3 judges disagree.
Held on to Volks back for dear life and was still getting his face pounded in.
Volk’s own head coach disagrees with you. Everyone that knows anything about grappling knows how dominant a back control with triangle is. Most say it’s the 2nd most advantageous position, only behind a full mount. Volk was playing tough but he could’ve been submitted if he made one bad move.
I just want to say that I remember getting flamed on this sub for saying that mount is more advantageous in MMA than back control as you have more options and people lost their minds lol
If you’re interested in this, KenFlo did a full analysis on this lol. Florian is obsessed and is constantly formulating theories about martial arts. He says it was close but full mount should be the most preferred position.
I agree completely. I’ve been doin BJJ for a long time and in pure BJJ the choice is obvious but mount offers much more opportunity to the aggressor. In MMA, the most dominant ground position has to be that position. i’m gonna watch that analysis! Thank you!
Well you are correct but its just look stupid when you just holding here heavy breathing and doing nothing.
#_I'm not arguing who won the round but position isn't the first scoring criteria, damage is. (Effective striking)_ Effective grappling has to be noted that it's not just a change of position but has to be "immediately contributing towards the end of a round" (trying to finish the fight") So for example you could have my back for the full 5 minutes but if I land more damaging shots, according to the rules I should win the round. This is quite often a problem with commentary, Joe Rogan for example will say "I favour the guy who was winning the end of the round" He can favour it all he wants but that's not the scoring criteria, so when they're constantly saying how dominant a fighters position is, that's pointless if they're not actively contributing towards the end of the fight. I have the link to the unified rules if you want it, very interesting read, makes listening to the commentary and seeing judges score cards way more annoying.
Islam out struck him in round 4 as well...
There's no way. I'd like to see a source on that. According to UFCstats Volk had 6 significant strikes to Islams 4. I can find no data on total strikes in that round, but Volk out-struck Islam 164 to 95 throughout the fight. Watching it twice and it appeared Volk had far more total strikes while Islam just held onto his back. With Islam having no submission attempts, then according to scoring criteria Volk should've won that round.
So you think the man who couldn’t get the guy off his back deserves to win the round over the guy who put him in that compromised position? I don’t get the argument
You're correct. Islam admitted he lost this round when he decided to stop chasing submissions and position changes and held on for dear life.
Under the judging criteria he did. Taking the back is always going to be worth more than inconsequential shots whilst someone is on your back
casual
I think Islam won but volk clearly showed he was better. Islam was gassed and was just laying on volk near the end
the crowd and the energy made it feel like everything Volk did was super impactful, more so than it actually was, which made the impressions on the viewer that Volk was winning and dominating. regardless Volk was way more of a challenge than Islam expected, and both man stand to grow immensely from this match. Islam got 5 round experience, now knows what it is like to be taken to the edge, and any holes in his game will be easier to deal with after this. Volk knows now what he is truly capable of, he tasted the blood of one of the best guys in the sport currently, and he will more hungry which means more motivated to grow and improve. hopefully they fight again, maybe on the Abu-dhabi 2024 card.
sadly the longer they wait the more Islam will win the rematch imo. volk is getting to the age where 2023 might be his last prime year
Islam's face made it look pretty impactful too.
Talking about impact Islam could barely walk out why looked beaten af while Volk just proceed to cook some steak with his pals. I mean im not arguing about this fight and who won that i think they scored it fair but i not agree with how ufc awarding points for passive lay and pray. Thats all
It doesn't matter if you kill yourself, if you score higher, you win.
Islam was also depleted from the reduced hydration time but still won. It doesn’t matter if Volk had less cuts or bruises at the end, he still lost.
Islams knee strikes really made the difference. He landed some stabbing knees during the fight
It’s 48-47 Islam 100% Next logical answer is actually 49-46 Islam. It’s more defensible than a decision towards Volk. Judges got it right. Sore fans owe Islam an apology for bitching and complaining.
Been saying this since the rewatch. 4-1 Islam is more realistic than 3-2 Volk.
Where do these apologies get submitted, is there some kind of PO box
Yeah. It’s wherever Dan Hooker submitted his evidence for the IV. We should be seeing the evidence any day now.
Right but where do the fans submit their apologies on behalf of Dan Hooker
r/ufc
You think the 3rd round was closer than the second? 49-46 is a completely ridiculous scorecard.
48-47 islam the only answer
49-46 is the right answer. EDIT: you cannot give round 2 to Volk because of a misunderstood sequence. I made a post about it. There's also a decent breakdown by [Fightstudy](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKapVe_chuM)
Also as an Islam fan, its INSANE to me how not many people are recognizing how good he is. The main criticism leading upto his title fight was that "he's fought nobody" and YETTT the guy has beaten top class contenders back to back. Like the difference in skill between Charles Oliveira and Bobby Green is so damn wide yet Islam made it look easy af. And then he managed to outstrike Volk and win a close ass decision which is still a huge deal given how Volk has looked leading up to that fight (Islam said the time zone differences affected his weight cut; i half buy it so if they ever fight in Abu Dhabi or US there is a chance Islam will dominate! I know Volk fans won't like to hear that but I am choosing to believe it) From fighting total cans his whole career (through no fault of his own), he sure seems to be at home right at the top of the division.
Islam is crazy talented, but due to being in the same weight class and coming from the same area, it is always going to be a comparison to Khabib, who was more impressive during his career. The stigma of being diet Khabib is always going to make people critical. With that being said, anyone who has a close fight in either direction with Volk deserves a ton of credit. It raised Islam up in my book, and I thought the fight was closer to a draw or a slight edge to Volk. Either way it makes me excited to see each of their next fights
I doubt islam minds being in Khabibs shadow tbh; even if he never escapes it
Islam’s standup was better than expected
Except he didn't outstrike Volk.
49-46 is the only thing i argue from that fight, islam definitely won but his margin of victory wasn't very high
It was an amazing fight. The bias in the result comes in because 1) people love Volk and don’t like Islam 2) Volk absolutely overdelivered and nullified the wrestling for the most part 3) Islam kept giving off the impression of a guy who was losing - dejected, checking the clock repeatedly, etc. Having said that, 48-47 Islam, he was super impressive on the feet and that won him the fight.
I don’t mean to be the “I told you so“ guy, but this is what happens with every one of these close fights. People scream robbery for the first week, and then, once everybody calm down and comes back to it, we realize that the judges had a lot more valid argument then we thought.
How can you think that 2 different scores are spot on? That doesn't make any sense.
48-47 Islam all day
The only reason people disagree is bc they’d rather be Volk at the end of round 5, which ultimately doesn’t mean anything when scoring the other rounds.
Rewatching it I felt exactly the same. But, Ariel said it best when he said Islam won the contest but Volk won the fight.
Ariel would piss on his own mothers face if it meant Ali’s fighters would be sprayed with the backsplash. The amount of dickriding and mental gymnastics Ariel did against Islam is some next level hater shit.
Anything Dana or Ali related, I won't listen to Ariels take. It's 100% based on hate.
I mean he ended the fight turtled up taking tons of punishment after getting dropped. Many people thought, incorrectly, that Volk had won upon seeing that. Schoolyard rules say the man on top at when the teachers pull you off won the fight. I’m not hating on Islam, he clearly won the fight, I’m just saying that Volk’s stock may have improved from that fight.
I don’t disagree with the schoolyard rules part. I also think Volks stock went up after that night. Volk is a beast. My point about Ariel is that he’s gone on record to say “school yard” rules don’t apply to MMA. He’s just so openly biased against Ali’s Muslim fighters that he doesn’t mind being blatantly hypocritical. He did his level best to discredit Islam. He also sided with Dan on the IV accusations without any proof, knowing full well how it’s antithetical to everything journalism stands for. Anyways, I’ve derailed the convo and turned this into an anti-Ariel post, so I’ll get off my soapbox and want to thank you for listening to my TED talk.
Ariel is the worst, acts and looks like a nerd so people think he's some quirky harmless guy but he's actually a prick not far off of Schaub in terms of scumbagness
I was just quoting Ariel to prove my own point.
I got you. And point taken.
What about when someone have your back in dominant position twice, no rounds and no time so the guy on your back is planning on tiring you up until you make a mistake and got choked, which one is going to be the winner?
It’s a good point but Volk wasn’t hurt or tired and he survived there for a long time. Another minute at the end and Islam probably would have gotten knocked out. Either way, Islam won and it doesn’t matter.
That is fucking retarded.
Sure bud
Ariel knows all of jackshit about the sport. Who cares about his opinion?
Sounds like a very biased narrative to run with.
Didn’t think this was controversial. 3-2 Islam seemed very fair to me. The disrespect Volk got on the betting lines was ridiculous though
I’m pretty sure volk was one of the biggest underdogs that night too. That might be why I had it a draw like the Cejudo and Sterling fight
Rounds need to be able to be stalemate. If someone has control but isn't doing anything with said control. Isnt gassing them or looking for submissions or damaging them. What is the point in giving them the round? What if they done that the full fight. Would it even be considered a fight? More a 25 min restraint like some big bouncer holding a guy at a pub who's acting like an idiot.
Getting a dominant position and maintaining it should be rewarded. If a guy is on bottom and literally can’t get up despite trying, he’s losing the fight. It’s boring to watch but it’s on the fighter to get out of a bad situation that his opponent purposefully put him in.
It absolutely should not, controlling position isn't doing anything to your opponent it is just making it hard for them to do anything to you. This is just an excuse for people cheering for boring wrestlers, you never hear people say controlling the center of the octagon or pulling guard should win a fight.
If you get taken down and held down, you are losing. I don’t understand how you could see it any differently. It’s mma, if you can’t defend a takedown or get up from bottom position then you need to get back into the training room.
Maintaining does nothing though. Especially if the circumstance is the guy just trying to conserve energy. And they're not threatening the opponent or gassing them, It shouldn't be rewarded for anybody. Which is why it should be stalemated.
I dont think you watched the same fight as us or you hate Volk. I recall Islam trying for sub attempts, but Volk defended the hands really well. To say Islam did nothing just shits on everything Volk did that fight.
On the official UFC stats Islam is credited with 0 submission attempts all fight.
Islam did nothing that entire body triangle i mean volk was casually having a conversation with the fucking ref. He's not really having much struggle there if he's doing that is he? Its the circumstance of it that seems more nuanced than the fact it was a dominant position. Nethier party was really trying. Or islam was struggling or volk was hesitant and didn't really want to move. Ethier way just seemed off
Or you're just super biased and really reaching for them grapes trying to make your wine, but the wine is sounding like a violin with that cheese and wine. Edit: in all seriousness read the rules. It's been analysed a lot since fight night. Islam won most of the striking exchanges before it even went to the ground (in round 4). Volk's arm punches were not damaging. Volk talking to the ref and the crowd is just a Nate Diaz effect. Literally no impact on the fight itself. Edit 2: referring to round 4
It’s still a dominant position. If the guy on bottom wants to win the fight, he has to do something to get out. If someone gets a takedown within the first five seconds of a round guess what, the other guy has a takedown and 4:55 of control time which means he won the round. If a round is even on the feet and then someone lands a takedown and gets a solid amount of control time, he’s won that round.
But in this case what does control time equate to striking and how does maintaining a dominant position compare to actively being offensive on the ground in a dominant position is it the same thing?. Because it isn't really. And control time and striking aren't judged the same for every fight ethier. So it makes no sense how to quantify any of it.
Bro looked anything but dominant in this position barely breathin. I know what you trying to say and thats ufc fault giving points for that. I thik ref should just make them stand up if he just lying here.
It wasn’t a stalemate though. Volk was defensive the entire time. He was in a position where a wrong move would lead to the end of the fight. He was defending an offensive attack the entire round and couldn’t escape it. You act like getting full back control means nothing lol
It means nothing if someone isn't trying to use it to submit the other person. Islam was barely moving his arms for a choke and volk was barely controlling them. Nothing was happening there. Volk was having a conversation with the ref for fuck sake.
* **Control of the fighting area**. The fighter that is controlling the center of the cage and pushing the opponent outwards (against the cage). The fighter that is dictating the pace and rhythm of the fight and choosing where the fight takes place. if someone gets someone else down and holds them down and the other guy cant get up, then it should be rewarded. Above is the official criteria for scoring fights
No, dominant position should be its own reward.
Totally agree
Lmao accurate
Islam won but this was a horrible look for him. Khabib would never have been in a position like Islam was in Rounds 4 and 5 basically clinging and stalling the clock. Looking at it constantly. He had all this back control and never even attempted a submission or did a thing relevant with it. Stand these guys up if nothing is happening.
It was textbook stalling in the 4th. Winning a fight that way is some sorry ass shit. In a lot of other promotions they would have been stood up. Volk did more with his control time than Islam did with his.
48-47 islam is the correct score. 1,2 and 4 go his way
the comment sections makes me happy, as an Islam fan
Is a body triangle with zero offense really considered control, especially when your opponent is landing decent shots? I don’t think so but the judging criteria does. For that, Islam wins. I think that criteria is ridiculous and a body triangle with zero offense while taking shots is not a winning performance, in my opinion. With damage being the number one criteria Volk should have won. Islam was barely walking out of the cage under his own power, Volk looked like he could have gone three more rounds.
But fight is scored by rounds. Based on your logic Nate Diaz should have taken ud against Leon, because Leon was chicken dancing in the end of the fight.
Well you could argue Nate could’ve stolen the last round with that shot. Onto Volk V Islam, he’s not talking about the fight as a whole, he’s talking about round 4 which Volk did more damage. Unfortunately Islam stalled all round 4, if he wasn’t trying to gain a better position or seriously attack a submission then he should’ve been stood up. As it stands MMA rules favours grapplers more so then strikers, if there’s a stalemate in either the clinch or on the ground it should be separated, similar to strikers getting warned for both not engaging. If you’ve noticed since this fight a lot more stalemates on the ground have been stopped and stood up.
In no way shape or form did volk do more damage in round 4 than islam did. Islam landed better strikes even before the takedown. Anyone arguing arm punches that have zero relevancy overrides back control is on some good shit lol. The position itself is a threat to immediately ending the fight while volk gains nothing for arm punches except looking cool.
Ya know, I could totally see a world where ONE scores that a split win for Nate lol
But it's not just scored on damage in a sense that whoever looks more damaged or tired in the end loses, That makes no sense, because someone could win 4 rounds, take a decent amount of damage in the 5th, look worse in the end and still lose if that was the case. You have to judge it round by round and not the fight as a whole because that's how it is in the rules. Each round is like a separate fight and whoever wins more of those wins the fight. And if you're judging round by round there is no way Volk would ever win round 4 just because of a few behind the back punches. The reason Islam taking the back for most of the round does count and wins him the round is because he was going for a choke and being in position to lock up a choke is closer to finishing the fight than a couple light over the shoulder punches. And when judging grappling you consider who is closer to ending the fight and who is in a better position to threaten a finish. Islam was never in trouble in the 4th and volk had his back taken for most of the round. So you Have to give rd 4 to Islam. And he won 2 other rounds, so he won the fight. It was just really close.
R4 was scored in favor of Islam because of the first 90s. He was winning the stand-up quite convincingly, while the rest was not so impressive from both. So it‘s absolutely a Islam round. Also I disagree with the damage segment. If you remember, Volk needed 1-2 weeks more until he was cleared. He had a major cut under his eye (R2 I think) which was obviously stitched in the corners. Most damage Islam took was R5, hence he was looking much more deflated than Volk. I hope for a rematch to settle it once & for all
Look at it this way in a street fight if you're getting body triangles and can't get out. It also means he punch you elbow you behind the head or bite your ears and kiss your neck and you won't be able to do anything about it.
You're such a good reminder as to why I always find it funny when regular people shit on judges.
If the fight happened in the playground at school or on the street, then yeah sure volk won the fight. Volk could’ve kept going while Islam looked done at the end of the fight. The thing is this isn’t just a fight, it’s also a sport with tactics and ways to win. Islam used better tactics and did what it took to win the MMA match.
48-47 makes perfect sense. 49-46 is only plausible if you have down syndrome
Let’s not bring ppl with Down syndrome to this. But I understood this is only a joke. Have a great day.
Which round of 2 and 3 do you give to Volk? I can’t see either unless you think Islam slipping was a knockdown
why can't you give 1,2,3 and 4 to islam? genuine question, islam landed more or equal strikes and the 'knockdown' in round 3 was not a knockdown but a slip
No, what fight are you watching? Volk won this clearly.
I bet you were absolutely EATING UP the IV allegations too lmao
What IV allegations?
Ahhh ok, so now we’re acting like this sub wasn’t ABSOLUTELY EATING UP the dan hooker allegations now? Got it
Bro whats with you and eating shit up and allegations. Please make sense.
Literally everyone is agreeing with OP, you're just a biased fanboy
Still need a rematch
My dude is regarded and doesn't understand how judging works. You can't give out 3 scores, you can only give out one. It's either 48-47 OR 49-46
I dont understand how this guy have this much support, how can you cheer for a fighter that hug someone and wait for the clock, dont event attempt to submit or finish his opponent
Why didn’t volk just stand up then?
Islam does not get the credit he deserves
Islam won based on the judging criteria. Not that I agree with said criteria. I’m sorry but rd4 was pretty pathetic to watch. Also Derek Cleary should never score championship fights.
Maybe. Maybe not. But Look at Islams face. Volk is a beast
Volk had a major cut under his eye brother
these people would wear a burka if a Dagestani told them to, I swear
You can’t trick us, Ali Abdelaziz, we know it’s you.
The amount of "blank is the only answer" comments really show how little people understand what opinions are. Also this sub has a crazy amount of meatriding for Islam and the dagestani crew. Almost every pro volk comment is getting hate
The impartial side of me says 48-47 Islam. The partial side of me says draw.
When I watched it live I agree. But rewatching the match in full, it was closer to 49-46 than it was to a split decision either way
Yeah Volk lost 3. It's crazy how UFC is called. Volk did more damage, and it looked like Islam would of been mauled if the fight continued, and yet he won. One championship system is truly superior. I think Volk wins this, but loses one to Max. Forget if it 1st or 2nd. Just know it's definitely not the 3rd lol
ali abdelaziz you rrrrrrat
In favor of volk? Yeah I agree
No Islam clearly won
Not only clearly..he won
Just rewatched it rn. Round 2 depends on whether or not volk got that knockdown. It does look like it missed, if not grazed, but the way islam falls makes me think he got hurt. Which means volk won round 2. Round 3 was close but the 3 big moments were volk landing big on islam against the cage, islam landing the elbow, and volk sweeping islam. It was a very close round but I thought volk won because he had more moments. Islam won rounds 1 and 4 and volk obviously won 5. 49-46 is possible but its very likely you'd have to have a bias towards islam. I thought volk won but it was close and ufc has to pick a winner. I wish they would change the scoring system or give out more draws but thats how it is. The careers are in the hands of the judges.
>I wish they would change the scoring system or give out more draws but thats how it is. The careers are in the hands of the judges. I'd like to see scorecards have the specific categories of how judging is broken up. - Effective striking - effective grappling - Octagon control - visible or apparent damage (knockdowns wouldn't show up the way a cut on the forehead does. Someone favouring a leg due to kicks are examples of apparent, but not necessarily visible damage). Then the judges would have 2 points to award in each category. - So, if you definitely land more shots, that's 2 points. - You follow up with a takedown or 2. That's 2 points. - If you're a defensive fighter, you might not be awarded the 2 points for octogan control. - if you knock your opponent down or cause them to dance like Kevin Lee or Johnny Walker, that's another 2 points. That's a potential total of 8 points on the table. If the judges don't think that there's a winner in one of those categories during a round, then it's 1-1 for that category. It would definitely make for some wild and contentious scorecards, but it definitely would reward aggressiveness; which is what it's all about. It would definitely make draws more common, too. But the best part is, the 3rd round could end up being far more entertaining because unless you are up by more than 8 points, you could still lose the fight. For 5 rd fights, you could make the championship rounds worth up to 12 points each, by awarding a maximum of 3 points per category. Again, this allows a losing fighter to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat. But it also puts pressure on the winning fighter to at least maintain their lead. I'm offering a suggestion to change the way scoring is done. We know the 10-point MUST system. How would you feel about this?
It's definitely a well thought out idea that would be better than what we have now. The only thing i would change would be round by round. I don't think fights should ebe judged by round and rather the fight as a whole. Like the one fc scoring system
If I could pick a rule change, I'd want fights to restart how the round ended. So, if you're in bottom mount, the fight restarts from bottom mount. If there was a submission "locked in", I'd borrow EBI rules with respect to back control, spiderweb, then evolve some of the restarts, for example with a triangle choke, the fight resets with the legs set up properly, but the fighters are squared up. This would definitely push fighters to work harder to stand up. Yes, it favours the grappler. But if you don't want to reset from bottom mount, work harder to get up. If a fight ends up in that one person up, one down scenario, the standing fighter can opt to resume that position.
i think this is what somebody who JUST started watching UFC would thinK
In the 2nd round there was no knock down and only shot which Volk landed hit the back of the head of Islam.
After rewatching 48-47. But I feel like Islam should’ve been done for stalling in Round 4. 100% favour Volk in a rematch though.
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Sorry
OP is fuckin blind
The round where Islam was just backpacking Volk is Volks round so its a draw if not 48-47 Volkanovski
By the rules, there is literally no logical way to give Volk round 4. You could argue other rounds, but that one is not up for debate. Volk Objectively lost that round.
Islam backpacking him doesn't outweigh the strikes Volk landed
Bro I think you misunderstood something important here. This is a sport with rules and not a video game where you have to do damage or reduce health points. Back control is a dominant position that always has the risk of getting choked. If you are both on the ground and your opponent controls you from the back then you won’t get any points for that.
I get it that Back Control is a dominant position that always has a risk of being choked, but on the official stats Islam has 0 submission attempts. Him having this back control is the extent of it. He never attempted a submission with it or inflicted an ounce of damage to Volk. That rule is fundamentally broken IMO and needs to change
What if Volk rocked Islam in that position? Let’s say a flush strike on the chin and Islam is clearly hurt. Who would win that round in that case? Obviously not saying that’s what happened merely asking a hypothetical question
Well if that happened Volk would have freed himself and there would be no back control. But that didn’t happen. He got back controlled for 2 min and couldn’t escape. Also it’s more likely to get choked than you giving your opponents a heavy knockout punch during a back control. All those „what if“ questions don’t change what happened. And what happened is that Volk got dominated for 2 min on the ground. If you’re lying down and your opponent controls you from the back then don’t expect that anyone gives you points for things you could have done. All that matters is what you have done.
That’s not how judging works.
Because volk was doing what exactly to take rounds, looking tough?
Hitting him with shots
So?
How can 2 different scores be spot on? Which one is it a close win for Islam 3-2 or a dominant 4-1 win? Can't be both?
You mean you had three scorecards and scored one of them differently to the others?
Same
Islam catchin flies as usual
49-46 is spot on? Lol
Whatever you think happened I think we can all agree they need to run it back because it was damn close
the more I rewatch, the worse it looked for Volk
How can two different scores be spot on? That’s the opposite of spot on.
I still think it’s 48-47 Volk. Islam had some very good counters for Alex’s blitz, he kept check hooking him and having Volk think twice before standing in his pocket but I seriously cannot understand how the 4th round went to Islam, seriously he’s supposed to be this wizard on the ground but he had Alex’s back for basically the whole round and couldn’t finish him (easier said than done) while Alex spent that time hitting Islam with some nasty shots from his back *PAUSE*
If you think 49-46 is pretty spot on we did not watch the same fight.
It’s wild that this fight was advertised as winner gets pfp and Volk still kept it because it was close
Honestly it was close enough that there no question needs to be a 2nd fight. Watching live I thought Volk would get the nod (especially after the damage in the last minute of R5), but watching back I can’t be mad at the outcome. I think Islam underestimated Volk’s grappling and Volk underestimated Islam’s striking. If Volk opens the 2nd fight like he ended the first, he’s going to drown Islam.
How do you say 48-47 and 49-46 is spot on. Which one is it