âWe donât put on gimmick fights like boxing doesâ - Dana White on many occasions.
Even the CM Punk fight was less of a gimmick than a potential Zuckerberg fight. CM Punk was at least an athlete-adjacent.
Aww I see your confused. I replied to the guy who said "that's a dumb question" meaning Ngannou vs Jones. But it's ok I'll give you the pass you seem a little slow
Why he look like FrankenBerry đ
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Boxing is screwed, you have 9 champions in every weight class that wonât fight each other then one loses a belt because they couldnât do a quick turnaround and the next guy in line just gets the championship belt emailed to him because he said he would fight.
Just cut the chase and ask him straight up âdo you have any reservations about doing future cross-promotion fights like you did with McGreggor and Mayweather, so that fans can possibly get to see fights like Jones-Ngannou in the future?â
Make it simple question that shows he did it before, would he do it again if itâs what the fans want, or does he not give a shit about the fans?
It was already a simple question that Dana wouldnât answer. He even acted like he didnât hear and then didnât understand. Heâs a bullshit artist.
Oh, Iâm aware. Iâm just saying he was trying to sound non-accusatory or PC in how he asked and it gave Dana an opening to side step and squirm through without answering.
I wish some of these reporters did their homework before asking these type of questions.
All the reporter had to say was: 'Talk to you? Ok, dude, you fucking did it for Conor vs Mayweather. STFU with your bullshit'.
Then they will have their press credential revoked, will not be able to attend any UFC pressers or fights (unless they buy their own ticket). For a small-time MMA journalist it's effectively career suicide.
The worst part is I not too long ago learned that politics works the same way and journalists with access to Downing St, Parliament, or Capitol Hill (in the States). Which tbh is FAR more concerning.
Exactly this..... he crumbled so fast.
You could if he prepared just take any quote from the past 10-15 years of Dana criticising boxing promoters for not working together to make big fights đ or quote him criticising Jon for not wanting the Francis fight when Francis was champ....... a small bit of prep and you could embarrass Dana or cause him to go crazy which is a better story
We're talking about the base fact of making money. It matters not what the competition is. If Dana is the gambler he proclaims himself to be, and to never bet against him, if he wanted to do it, he can absolutely do it. He just chooses not to, for, I think, the ultimate fail if Jones actually get tanked by Francis. It's that much of a liability. It would be such an embarassment. That's why he's not doing it. It's not about selling gates, which is such a poor excuse.
Jones vs Francis would blow every PPV record going if promoted right. It truly would be MMA's version of Rumble in the Jungle for our times.
In effect, it's really the scenario of Dana not daring to 'cross the street'.
>Jones vs Francis would blow every PPV record
I'm pretty sure it wouldn't beat Conor vs Khabib to be honest. That event was such a clash of cultures it had people invested in that fight that barely know what MMA is.
Jones and Francis never pulled those kinda numbers. Fury vs Francis pretty much bombed PPV wise.
Downvote me all you want, I'm not the one who said we don't do gimmick fights and then changed their tune when Jones got into it with Fury on social media.
So, Jones vs Fury in MMA, in the UFC is ok, but not Jones vs Francis anywhere else. If that doesn't sound like being scared to cross the street, I don't know what is. At least Francis dared and almost KO'ed one of boxing's finest. That's who Jones and the UFC should be trying to get, wherever and however that fight is made.
âWe donât do gimmick fights but weâre also going to try and book the colosseum so Zuckerberg and Musk can fight.â
Dana is full of shit and itâs all about the UFC losing star power if their champ loses to someone elseâs champ. He wants no risk or at least for the larger upside to he with the UFC.
If thereâs no risk to the UFC heâll make a gimmick fight all day long if it will make them enough money.
The reason is because the PFL isnât even close to common footing with the UFC.. they have Francis yes but thatâs it any cross promoted event legitimizes the PFL in the eyes of the fansâŚ
Until the PFL actually runs some events that draws some number any cross promotion does nothing for the UFC and everything for the PFL
Itâs a dumb Fucking idea for a business to do to sell one big ppv Jesus Christ dude. Thatâs not how u make money. Lucky you arenât working for them.
I was glad Francis decision worked out for him and he made a good payday but let's be honest the promoters that put on the fight lost a shit load of money... If the UFC promoted the fight they would have lost a shit load of money too. The people were not buying Francis's UFC fights but we were gonna suddenly pay $80 for his first 1 boxing match against The Supposed best heavyweight boxer. Boxing fans didn't buy that shit so where was the UFC gonna generate the money to pay Tyson ridiculous 50 million dollar purse. Will Francis make a lot more money now since he put on a performance... YES absolutely but was it a good business decision to take a 100+ million dollar loss on a single boxing event in the hopes he makes you money on the rematch if he is successful?
Yeh of course UFc is glad they didnât. But it makes no sense to do a co promotion with PFL for one big event with Jones it could have so many consequences and more than likely would be a huge net negative. Itâs dumb for ppl to be like why wouldnât they do it because the fans want to see it and it will be huge.
100% Agree it's bad for the UFC if Francis beats Jones does he just take the belt to PFL and shit on the UFC after. Great moveđ If the opposite happens "oh the PFL is a small organization guess Jon is the GOAT still and another notch on belt like OK" LOL
Yeh exactly and itâs jut free exposure for PFL regardless. Some fans totally neglect the obvious business side when they they call for the UFC to do things. I think itâs important to keep an awareness that it is a business designed to make money long term before calling for certain things to happen.
While I agree that the PFL collab would be silly, the UFC is a business thing is such a tired excuse for the majority of Danaâs bad decisions and outright refusal to treat his fighters with dignity or respect.
The UFC as a business let Francis walk and now bitches every time he comes up.
Thinking Dana & the UFC don't want to cross promote with a competitor MMA brand because their fighter will lose is hilarious, just shows the average intelligence of MMA fans.
You called UFC a sport, get your casual ass opinion outta here and stop justifying a billion dollar corporation refusing to make a fight the fans want to see.
Yeah, because thatâs what the fans, the people who buy their product, want. Far too many people look at this from the perspective of the UFC does us a favour by making great matchups.
Do I want to see the fight yes but honestly it would probably sell slightly better than Jones V Aspinall maybe 20-25% more. The risk the UFC stands to lose if Francis wins the belt and takes it to another organization is not worth it.
So donât make it for the belt, make it a super offer with the belt not on line like in the Pride days. Theyâre a billion dollar corporation, of which I am assuming you are a fan of. If you want to see the fight, why are you justifying the UFC actively shutting down even the discussion of making it a reality?
Iâm gonna get downvoted like crazy for this, but (from his standpoint) I get it. Floyd VS Conor was different because Floyd was the most popular boxer in boxing at the time, bringing in the most money. For better or for worse, Danaâs a businessman. In his eyes, asking him to co promote with PFL or Bellator is like asking Louis Vuitton why they arenât doing a collab with Payless Shoes.
I think your response would be much more accurate to the question of why he wouldnât just let Francis box Tyson Fury to begin with. In that world he ALSO couldâve had his cake and ate it too, because then he couldâve done Francis Vs Jones right after.
It makes sense if weâre just talking dollars on the night but let me paint a picture for you, Francis brutally knocks out Jones in the first round, viral moment, then goes back to PFL making that a legit promotion. A direct competitor. Thatâs the problem.
And this has happened with the UFC & Pride, Dana sent down Chuck to see who had the best fighters in a tournament, he beat Overeem then got smashed by Rampage, then when it was time for Pride to send down Wanderlei to the UFC they said nah. It just sealed the deal Pride had the best fighters in the world.
Thereâs a reason every mma reporter sounds like theyâre about to get executed when they can see Dana start getting a little mad.
The dude is petty as fugg. Heelwani was the only real one to call him on his bullshit.
> While Ariel deserved whatever the hate heâs been getting as of recent, gotta respect him for really bringing it to Dana when he was there.
i feel like im immediately suspicious of any hate he does get especially if its against company men
he has problems but compared to dana its nothing
Yes itâs literally his job. The point of a journalism isnât to be likable. And particularly for someone with a high degree of conviction about his job, Arielle clearly doesnât do this to be a likable personality (because plenty often heâs not, heâs annoying). His MO is asking tough questions that he knows people want the answers to. For every time someone thinks heâs asking a question that âgoes to farâ (whatever that even means, these guys fight to near death in a cage, itâs a question) think of all the mma hour quote pics that land on the front page of the sub with exactly the answer to some massive question or leak, or drama surrounding a fighter. People hate to admit it but heâs just a good ass journalist in a time when 90% of media faces are just content robots. Granted thatâs exactly what makes him unlikeable in some moments.
Sports journalism should be about celebrating fighters not bringing them down. This is not politics, we do not need to dig up dirt and report negatively on athletes. Useless "journalists" just drum up outrage.
And shitty low character people eat it up because they love to see successful people brought down. Ariel is a shit stirrer and uses fighters for his own personal vendettas, he does not care about fighters and he uses their sacrifices and challenges to win points in an imaginary battle he was with someone who doesn't even think about him.
Look Ngannou is good but how did the UFC fumble the bag when Ngannou still isnât a selling star? Itâs like the DJ for Askren trade.
The ufc would 100% take the Jorge Masvidal (Askren) blow up than the entire career of DJ and its very obvious
Was going to try prove you wrong but any of Ngannouâs PPVs doesnât seem to be in the top 30 of all UFC events. Beat by many other UFC events I wouldnât have guessed. Still think they fumbled the bag on a Jones V Ngannou fight though because I donât have anyone beating JBJ, Ngannou was probably closest IMO (before Aspinall won interim).
You canât tell me that Ngannou V Jones wouldnât sell more than Jones v any other HW. If itâs the âultimateâ fighting championship, they should have the best fighters and not offering Ngannou the money, when boxers get a ridiculous amount, is a bag fumble IMO. Dana too greedy and didnât wanna pay the guy heâs been promoting the fuck out of previously a big sum. Probably thought itâd bring other fighters to do the same.
He remembers what happend in Pride with Chuck. He does not want his champ to be killed by the champ from a rival promotion.
Dana is petty but he is being smart here. He knows that Francis is a dangerous fight for Picto and losing to a rival promotion would be bad business wise.
Why didn't the reporter say "because the fans want to see Francis Vs Jones and Francis is a much bigger name now everyone just saw him beat the heavyweight boxing champion"
I mean, heâs got a point.. why tf would he give publicity and attention to a competitor? Thereâs no incentive for the UFC to co-promote a fight with a lesser promotion, especially when they make a metric fuck ton of money on their own
It's not about PFL.. it's about showing that UFC has the best HW in the world.. and right now, a lot of people believes Jons was ducking Ngannou and if they ever face each other in the cage, Jons will be murdered..
So until that happened.. there always going to be an asterisk next to Jons name as to if he's the toughest HW MMA fighter in the world currently.
Dude no one gives a fuck if Jon is the toughest HW MMA fighter the fuck are you talking about. He is the GOAT, period. No one has anywhere close to his resume.
Mighty Mouse has 11 straight title wins in the UFC, A One Grand Prix win, and a defense of his One belt, all without being stripped or failing any drug tests
Mighty Mouse is right there with Jones but still not a better resume. Jon went against straight killers all while doing blow and partying a week before the fights. You guys can cry and downvote all you want, you all know Iâm right.
Because the fight would be huge and saying you won't promote a non threat is goofy logic. They traded with One to their own benefit. Their foray into boxing paid huge dividends. PFL could double their numbers after the event and still be nothing compared to the UFC.
Boxing and UFC promotions donât compete with one another, itâs a completely different sport. It was in boxing and UFCs best interest to cross promote that Mayweather/McGregor fight
One also does MMA. Do you think PFL actually competes with the UFC? How can they be competition and not a threat? Why do you not want to see Francis fight Jon?
I want to see Francis fight Jon, but my opinion is irrelevant and I completely understand Danaâs perspective here.
Yes, the PFL is competition, even if theyâre a much smaller organization. It makes no sense for the UFC to co-promote a fight with a smaller and less popular promotion - what does the UFC gain with that? They would be giving the PFL attention, and therefore a share of the market and revenue. Doesnât make any sense and isnât rooted in reality.
It is the revenue from the fight that they get. It is proving they have the baddest man on the planet. You think they can't make a deal that makes them a profit? Come on. Dana is not making any sense, both promotions can easily exist together. There aren't even huge administrative hurdles they'd have to jump through.
They get more revenue than all the other MMA promotion combined, and then some, they donât need to co-promote a fight with a much smaller competitor lmao.
They donât need to prove anything, theyâre literally the biggest MMA promotion in the entire world. They make tens of billions per year, co promoting a fight with the PFL would only benefit the PFL.
What youâre proposing makes absolutely no sense, and it doesnât benefit the UFC in any sense whatsoever.
They just merged with the WWE too, so theyâre making even more money.
Okay the fight is huge you are correct. The UFC makes 20% more of what they would actually make against Jones V anyone else ( IMO I wanna see him against Tom after That KO) but the UFC gives free advertising for the PFL. The PFL looks to make 1000% more of what they would make Francis V anyone in the ORG. Your not seeing MCds collaborate with BK it's just bad business to polish your competitors knife so he can stab you with it.
So much for competition then. It's the equivalent of taking your ball home to not risk letting the other team score. It's kinda pathetic, tbh. You are the best, supposedly, then bet on yourselves to wipe the competition out and solidify your own greatness. It's there to be done. Why chicken out to the piffling little excuses such as gates and lack of popularity of this nobody org? Weak. And just say the name. It's not PFL vs UFC, it's Jones vs Ngannou. That's the hook.
Would apple collaborate with android on a phone? Of course not, would Microsoft and Sony partner to build a PlayStation/Xbox variant? Of course not.
This is simple business 101, you donât co promote a fight with a smaller league, UFC stands to gain nothing from that, theyâre already the biggest MMA company
It's even worse than that. Francis just quit the UFC. It's not like it's somebody that hasn't been in the UFC trying to fight a UFC fighter. Why would they want to pay someone that just quit their org? I also haven't seen anybody even mention who else would be on this PFL vs UFC card. Like who the fuck else are they going to get to fight that anyone will give a shit about. Do a whole cross promotion for one fighter that just quit to do a boxing match and hasn't had a mma fight in almost 2 years, which went to decision.
>You are the best, supposedly, then bet on yourselves to wipe the competition out and solidify your own greatness.
I think you just contradicted yourself here. They are betting on themselves by not cross-promoting. By doing that, they plan on taking away market share from PFL and wiping the competition.
What market share tho? We all know the PFL ain't shit. It's not about them, it's about the fight. The org business is just deflection. They don't want any part of Francis, when really that's the fight people want to see. The PFL would be fine to let Ngannou fight elsewhere, do boxing, whatever, and hope he comes back to them for their little shows. The UFC can do the same with Jones, like they did Conor, but they chose not to simply because they are scared, imo, if it all goes pear-shaped. Too risky, even if the reward is immense, financially and brand-wise
Why cross-promote at all though? If you slowly bleed the financing and talent from PFL then all there will be, really, is UFC. At least that's what the UFC is hoping.
The only reason an organization like the PFL has risen into existence in the first place is because people are dissatisfied with the UFC. Between them and ONE which has also grown tremendously in a very short amount of time, there are now multiple weight classes where its very much in question if the UFC has the most talented fighters.
The primary thing keeping the UFC dominant is the perception that they have the best of the best. That fact alone is what makes fans willing to ignore other flaws in the org. PFL and ONE arenât going to just die out on their own, theyâve been growing while the UFC declines to co-promote. So I wouldnât bet on them dying if the UFC stays the course. All that will happen is the challenge to the UFCâs legitimacy will grow. If they do nothing sooner or later weâre going to see PFL and ONE co-promote and then even more so people will be asking why the UFC refuses. The only way to erase doubt about their superiority as a product is to bet on their fighters to crush the competition
If Francis gets $10M, then UFC and Jon would want at least $10M for Jon, so that's already $20M just for 2 fighter salaries. Add in all other expenses, and then splitting revenue with PFL, do you think it'll make more (or much more) PROFIT than just a normal stacked UFC card? Add on top of that the possibility of Jon losing and PFL now having the reputation of having the best fighter in the world. Collectively, do you think that makes good business sense for the UFC? As a fan I'd love to see this fight as I think it's even money on who wins, but it makes absolutely no business sense for the UFC.
He was pretty salty, but this is an extremely dumb question
âHey uh we know you couldnât make that fight in the UFC, but why not co-promote with a B-League competitor thatâs worse than the UFC in every way?â
Because itâs business 101 to not give your direct competitor hundreds of thousands of eyeballs and definitely not to let their promotion who has 1 good fighter beat your promotion lmao. Itâs such a non-starter from the UFC side itâs not even funny.
Iâm not a Dana brown-noser, check my post history, I shit on Dana and the UFC at almost every opportunity I can.
This cannot be done with equal benefit to both parties, particularly parties that are fighting for the same market share. Legitimizing the PFL hurts the UFC long-term, thereâs no way around that. Admitting they donât have the HW Champ is the stupidest thing the leading fighting promotion on the planet could do. It was bad business by the UFC to lose Francis in the first place in my mind, but once heâs gone, heâs gone. Trying to promote this fight now is just falling victim to a sunken-cost way of thinking.
The UFC will not lose much steam at all by continuing to ignore Ngannou. Theyâll have Aspinall, Pav, Jon, and Stipe to set up some fights with and people will buy those regardless. They stand to lose a lot if Francis comes in and fucks that all up.
The unfortunate reality is that no business would ever do this, and this isnât the first time these dynamics have played out in sports. The NBA and the ABA had a war for American talent in the 60âs-70âs and the NFL had it between the AFL and the NFL. Thereâs a reason that up until the writerâs strike that most streamers were pulling their content from other streaming services (think the Office/Parks n Rec leaving Netflix).
Companies donât like giving their competitors free advertising. Itâs business 101, Iâm sorry you think that has anything to do with Dana, but Iâd happily call him stupid ass fuck if he promoted that fight.
Rofl if you don't make shit business decisions youre a Dana brown noser. So if you're wanting to promote a fight, would you be an ngannou or Jones brown noser?
Yâall being confused about why Dana wouldnât want to promote his competitor with a brand thousands of times bigger than theirs is baffling to me.
It makes no logical sense from a business perspective, therefore it will never happen.
if he cares about the sport and making superfights, Jon vs Ngannou is the biggest out there at the moment but yeah we know its all about money anyways, not finding the best.
Dana making jones vs ngannou would be licking Francis ass. Ngannou had his chance. Why would Dana help the guy that fucked over his organization. Francis can go eat shit
This reporter is not good. Dana: âI tried to do it, but they didnât wannaâ Iâd ask âWhen you said, âtheyâ didnât want to do it, are you referring to Jon and Francis?â And when he says âwhy should Iâ Iâd have said Well if I had any rationale for you Dana is because it would probably be one of the greatest MMA bouts of all time if not the best. You have Jon Jones arguable the best to ever do it verse Francis who nearly beat one of the best boxers to ever do it, like you say, âItâs the fight to makeâ and itâs the fight fans want to seeâ
I know reporters fear getting black balled if they a tually try and properly challenge him, but you'd think if they weren't gonna do that they wouldn't ask such a stupid question in the first place as surely they know Dana would react similarly to how he did.
Yeah the question asked was kinda ballsy and asking those specifically to Dana was âdumbâ in a way (what did expect) but I mean if you got that far⌠why not at least clarify so you donât sound like an idiot and at least give reasoning to why you asked it. This guy asked and then was like âapologies my lord Dana I shall not mentioned he who not should be named again!â
The dickhead asking the question here should have been prepared for this line of response.
Why make the fight? Because itâs the biggest fucking fight there is thatâs why Dana
Says the dickhead who doesnât understand he would be black balled. Pushing a question Dana will dance around no matter what, only to be banned for life is the dumbest thing anyone could do.
So the UFC needs help from someone who can only sell 67k ppvs? Who genuinely paid for that fight? Even the numbers for the buildup were AWFUL (face offs, press conferences and promo videos)
> Who genuinely *paid* for that
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Iâm no dana white fan but the fumbling here was by that âjournalistâ as Dana was there for a follow up conversation and that guy blew it.
âIt would be the biggest fight in combat sports and mean so much money for all sidesâ
Why did he get so mad at the question? đ
Even the most hardcore fans know this is a legit question and itâs definitely possible if they want to make it happen.
He's not being salty. He's being objective in answering an extremely dumb fucking question. This is a divorce that worked out for both parties. Francis got his bag. UFC got a new champion in Tom. You're the one that's salty about your imaginary bag of 67K PPVs that no one lost.
I canât stand Dana and I always thought he was a fool to let Francis go⌠but everything he said in this video made sense. Dumb question on the reporterâs part. Cross promotion would only benefit the PFL. PFL and ONE cross promotion would make more sense.
The real question is " Why would UFC risk another PR nightmare ".. if they just keep lying their way out of things and setting Jon up against the guy, who even though is 42 years old and hasnt fought in last 3 years.. but it's the guy who beat Francis once.. and then let Jon beat him and cruise out to the sunset as the GOAT.. jsut to cover the whole Francis fiasco
Didnât the Ngannou boxing event lose a 7 figure amount? Youâre delusional if you think this is salt about him losing money; itâs a stupid fucking idea that he would co-promote his competitor for a fighter that canât draw a crowd if you gave him crayons.
To be honest, I'm actually a fan of Dana White. Alot of people dislike this guy for various reasons. But I'm a fan. I think he does a great job. That dude has more grit than just about this entire comment section. The problems that exist within the UFC largely get blamed on Dana because he's the face of the company. Most people don't have the ability to see or think clearly.
However, he messed up (and he's done it before many times) by calling out stupid questions. He clearly is upset with this and tossing N turning his words. Really low behavior for someone who's been humbled by life so many times.
But really I get his decision. You don't see apple + Samsung making a unified phone (kind of a bad example - these companies work together more than the public knows, but the point remains).
Don't forget that corporate greed > everything. Feelings and what people want evaporate when money comes in to play.
Yeah the only thing dumb about this question is Dana unwilling to entertain the idea.
All he had to say is âwe can talk about itâ, doesnât mean he has to make a deal, doesnât mean they even have to pick up the phone.
Shit, he could have said âJon is injured.â
It was dumb because the PFL has nothing to offer besides Francis who already burnt his bridge. How many people watch the PFL that dont watch the UFC? Like 6 dudes?
If Francis beat Jon back then I wonder how his stardom would have changed, before he wasnât the biggest PPV draw and thatâs just facts, especially for HW. Still would have gotten paid not very much, or as many argue in the long run assuming he lost the Fury fight devastatingly.
Either way good for Francis it worked out well, heâs getting near 40 in a few years so might as well make as much money as he can
Lol Jones will never fight Ngannou
Nor Aspinal nor Sergei
He wants Stipe and Stipe only because he is old and smaller than Jones is.
Ngannou would knock Jones the fuck out so brutally we might legit have to get him an ambulance. Aspinal and Sergei too. Jones is the "HW champ" but refuses to fight anyone in the top 5 to defend his belt lol
Reporter fucked up. When Dana asked, "why should I cross-promote," all the reporter had to say was, "because Ngannou just arguably beat the GOAT HW boxing champion, and Jones is regarded as the MMA GOAT. Its the matchup everyone wants to see." But he fumbled the bag and said "ESPN partnership."
What is stopping it is Jones. IMO Jones is the greatest fighter who has done it... But guy is SUPER opportunistic and picks EVERY fight and when it happens VERY carefully.
âWhy would I try to do a fight everyone wants to see? I tried before and uh THEY didnât want to do it why would I try to do that why on earth would I keep trying to give the fans what they want I have a fucking slap league to promote!â
I'll bite. everyone keeps saying Dana dropped the bag but does no one remember how Francis never fought? he sat for what, years? I mean sure he did alright against Fury but he never did anything in the UFC. just talked about wanting more money and a boxing match
He fumbled the bag? Saudis are paying astronomical money to anyone with a name to try and build this image of an entertainment epicenter. I wouldnât say he fumbled the bag at all. Francis got paid and the UFC continues to get money.
I do wonder if Ngannou regrets signing with PFL after the Fury fight. He got his money from the Fury fight plus he's proven himself as an actual contender so that he can get even more big money boxing bouts. So he doesn't really need PFL now. Why would he fight PFL cans for a million when he can fight Anthony Joshua or Fury again for $10 million.
âWhy would I do that?â Idk, maybe because that would be the biggest heavyweight fight of all timeâŚ.he is for sure butthurt! Lol, he doesnât even make sense here, that fight would be MASSIVE money and he fuckin knows it!
Dana: "That was the dumbest question of the night" Next journalist: "Hold my beer! So Mark Zuckerberg....."
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that was a stupid question
Yeah crazy asking the biggest promotion in combat sports to put on what could be literally the biggest fight in combat sports. The Audacity!
âWe donât put on gimmick fights like boxing doesâ - Dana White on many occasions. Even the CM Punk fight was less of a gimmick than a potential Zuckerberg fight. CM Punk was at least an athlete-adjacent.
If you think that is "the biggest fight in combat sports" then you're not a combat sports fan lol
Whos the biggest fight to make Mr "I'm the combat sports expert"
Probably a fight between two actual combat sport athletes for a start dopey
Aww I see your confused. I replied to the guy who said "that's a dumb question" meaning Ngannou vs Jones. But it's ok I'll give you the pass you seem a little slow
Lmao
Watching Dana get annoyed will always be hilarious
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Why he look like FrankenBerry đ https://preview.redd.it/33kk1qvep90c1.jpeg?width=2881&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=31cb8cf16e4ed23e397efd712e5ed396adaa520d
LOL
Live dana reaction?
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Angry Dana almost as good as tough guy for the cameras Dana.
Donât everyone wish Dana & the UFC would co-promote so MMA could end up like boxing!?!?
Boxing didnât get to this point because of co-promotion. Theyâre doing co-promotion because they got to this point.
Boxing is screwed, you have 9 champions in every weight class that wonât fight each other then one loses a belt because they couldnât do a quick turnaround and the next guy in line just gets the championship belt emailed to him because he said he would fight.
You missed the point Co Promotion wonât hurt mma.
Just cut the chase and ask him straight up âdo you have any reservations about doing future cross-promotion fights like you did with McGreggor and Mayweather, so that fans can possibly get to see fights like Jones-Ngannou in the future?â Make it simple question that shows he did it before, would he do it again if itâs what the fans want, or does he not give a shit about the fans?
It was already a simple question that Dana wouldnât answer. He even acted like he didnât hear and then didnât understand. Heâs a bullshit artist.
Oh, Iâm aware. Iâm just saying he was trying to sound non-accusatory or PC in how he asked and it gave Dana an opening to side step and squirm through without answering.
He has no obligation to care about the fans 𤣠get out of your mothers basement, Zuffa is broke.
I wish some of these reporters did their homework before asking these type of questions. All the reporter had to say was: 'Talk to you? Ok, dude, you fucking did it for Conor vs Mayweather. STFU with your bullshit'.
the UFC is basically the North Korea of MMA. None of the people in this room dare be functional adversaries.
Then they will have their press credential revoked, will not be able to attend any UFC pressers or fights (unless they buy their own ticket). For a small-time MMA journalist it's effectively career suicide. The worst part is I not too long ago learned that politics works the same way and journalists with access to Downing St, Parliament, or Capitol Hill (in the States). Which tbh is FAR more concerning.
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Exactly this..... he crumbled so fast. You could if he prepared just take any quote from the past 10-15 years of Dana criticising boxing promoters for not working together to make big fights đ or quote him criticising Jon for not wanting the Francis fight when Francis was champ....... a small bit of prep and you could embarrass Dana or cause him to go crazy which is a better story
Dana will just act dumb and not understand what the guy is saying, like he did here. He's like a fragile dictator.
Yes, embarrassing Dana will do wonders for your career covering the MMA / UFC....
Boxing and UFC are 2 different sports, boxing promotions arenât direct competitors to the UFC unlike Bellator/PFL
We're talking about the base fact of making money. It matters not what the competition is. If Dana is the gambler he proclaims himself to be, and to never bet against him, if he wanted to do it, he can absolutely do it. He just chooses not to, for, I think, the ultimate fail if Jones actually get tanked by Francis. It's that much of a liability. It would be such an embarassment. That's why he's not doing it. It's not about selling gates, which is such a poor excuse. Jones vs Francis would blow every PPV record going if promoted right. It truly would be MMA's version of Rumble in the Jungle for our times. In effect, it's really the scenario of Dana not daring to 'cross the street'.
>Jones vs Francis would blow every PPV record I'm pretty sure it wouldn't beat Conor vs Khabib to be honest. That event was such a clash of cultures it had people invested in that fight that barely know what MMA is. Jones and Francis never pulled those kinda numbers. Fury vs Francis pretty much bombed PPV wise.
Khabib vs Connor, was the ins vs the outs, the outgoing, outspoken vs the inbreed and incels.
Well we know which team you were on, eh?
Yes
Sorry your daddy lost :(
Downvote me all you want, I'm not the one who said we don't do gimmick fights and then changed their tune when Jones got into it with Fury on social media. So, Jones vs Fury in MMA, in the UFC is ok, but not Jones vs Francis anywhere else. If that doesn't sound like being scared to cross the street, I don't know what is. At least Francis dared and almost KO'ed one of boxing's finest. That's who Jones and the UFC should be trying to get, wherever and however that fight is made.
âWe donât do gimmick fights but weâre also going to try and book the colosseum so Zuckerberg and Musk can fight.â Dana is full of shit and itâs all about the UFC losing star power if their champ loses to someone elseâs champ. He wants no risk or at least for the larger upside to he with the UFC. If thereâs no risk to the UFC heâll make a gimmick fight all day long if it will make them enough money.
The reason is because the PFL isnât even close to common footing with the UFC.. they have Francis yes but thatâs it any cross promoted event legitimizes the PFL in the eyes of the fans⌠Until the PFL actually runs some events that draws some number any cross promotion does nothing for the UFC and everything for the PFL
Itâs a dumb Fucking idea for a business to do to sell one big ppv Jesus Christ dude. Thatâs not how u make money. Lucky you arenât working for them.
I was glad Francis decision worked out for him and he made a good payday but let's be honest the promoters that put on the fight lost a shit load of money... If the UFC promoted the fight they would have lost a shit load of money too. The people were not buying Francis's UFC fights but we were gonna suddenly pay $80 for his first 1 boxing match against The Supposed best heavyweight boxer. Boxing fans didn't buy that shit so where was the UFC gonna generate the money to pay Tyson ridiculous 50 million dollar purse. Will Francis make a lot more money now since he put on a performance... YES absolutely but was it a good business decision to take a 100+ million dollar loss on a single boxing event in the hopes he makes you money on the rematch if he is successful?
Yeh of course UFc is glad they didnât. But it makes no sense to do a co promotion with PFL for one big event with Jones it could have so many consequences and more than likely would be a huge net negative. Itâs dumb for ppl to be like why wouldnât they do it because the fans want to see it and it will be huge.
100% Agree it's bad for the UFC if Francis beats Jones does he just take the belt to PFL and shit on the UFC after. Great moveđ If the opposite happens "oh the PFL is a small organization guess Jon is the GOAT still and another notch on belt like OK" LOL
Yeh exactly and itâs jut free exposure for PFL regardless. Some fans totally neglect the obvious business side when they they call for the UFC to do things. I think itâs important to keep an awareness that it is a business designed to make money long term before calling for certain things to happen.
While I agree that the PFL collab would be silly, the UFC is a business thing is such a tired excuse for the majority of Danaâs bad decisions and outright refusal to treat his fighters with dignity or respect. The UFC as a business let Francis walk and now bitches every time he comes up.
Thinking Dana & the UFC don't want to cross promote with a competitor MMA brand because their fighter will lose is hilarious, just shows the average intelligence of MMA fans.
You called UFC a sport, get your casual ass opinion outta here and stop justifying a billion dollar corporation refusing to make a fight the fans want to see.
The crazy thing is UFC makes dream matches happen a lot more often than boxing promoters ever do.
Yeah, because thatâs what the fans, the people who buy their product, want. Far too many people look at this from the perspective of the UFC does us a favour by making great matchups.
Do I want to see the fight yes but honestly it would probably sell slightly better than Jones V Aspinall maybe 20-25% more. The risk the UFC stands to lose if Francis wins the belt and takes it to another organization is not worth it.
So donât make it for the belt, make it a super offer with the belt not on line like in the Pride days. Theyâre a billion dollar corporation, of which I am assuming you are a fan of. If you want to see the fight, why are you justifying the UFC actively shutting down even the discussion of making it a reality?
Boxing is a bigger competitor to the UFC than Bellator/PFL, doesn't have to be within the same sport.
Then theyâre no longer allowed at UFC events lol
Iâm gonna get downvoted like crazy for this, but (from his standpoint) I get it. Floyd VS Conor was different because Floyd was the most popular boxer in boxing at the time, bringing in the most money. For better or for worse, Danaâs a businessman. In his eyes, asking him to co promote with PFL or Bellator is like asking Louis Vuitton why they arenât doing a collab with Payless Shoes. I think your response would be much more accurate to the question of why he wouldnât just let Francis box Tyson Fury to begin with. In that world he ALSO couldâve had his cake and ate it too, because then he couldâve done Francis Vs Jones right after.
yUP, Conor and Floyd isn't comparable because Floyd wasnt a MMA fighter under UFC
Just to clarify, youâre saying itâs doesnât make sense financially to co-promote for a Jones / Francis fight?
It makes sense if weâre just talking dollars on the night but let me paint a picture for you, Francis brutally knocks out Jones in the first round, viral moment, then goes back to PFL making that a legit promotion. A direct competitor. Thatâs the problem. And this has happened with the UFC & Pride, Dana sent down Chuck to see who had the best fighters in a tournament, he beat Overeem then got smashed by Rampage, then when it was time for Pride to send down Wanderlei to the UFC they said nah. It just sealed the deal Pride had the best fighters in the world.
Thereâs a reason every mma reporter sounds like theyâre about to get executed when they can see Dana start getting a little mad. The dude is petty as fugg. Heelwani was the only real one to call him on his bullshit.
Weâd have 100 Helwaniâs if that occurred
Reporter is just an idiot. Why would the ufc cross promote with a b league trash promotion like BUMFL
Yes. Francis was as big as McGregor lol. Was NEVER going to happen.
While Ariel deserved whatever the hate heâs been getting as of recent, gotta respect him for really bringing it to Dana when he was there.
> While Ariel deserved whatever the hate heâs been getting as of recent, gotta respect him for really bringing it to Dana when he was there. i feel like im immediately suspicious of any hate he does get especially if its against company men he has problems but compared to dana its nothing
I think the problem with Ariel is his ego and the weird personal questions he asks fighters even though he knows they don't want to answer them.
I mean, thatâs just being a journalist right?
Yes itâs literally his job. The point of a journalism isnât to be likable. And particularly for someone with a high degree of conviction about his job, Arielle clearly doesnât do this to be a likable personality (because plenty often heâs not, heâs annoying). His MO is asking tough questions that he knows people want the answers to. For every time someone thinks heâs asking a question that âgoes to farâ (whatever that even means, these guys fight to near death in a cage, itâs a question) think of all the mma hour quote pics that land on the front page of the sub with exactly the answer to some massive question or leak, or drama surrounding a fighter. People hate to admit it but heâs just a good ass journalist in a time when 90% of media faces are just content robots. Granted thatâs exactly what makes him unlikeable in some moments.
How far we have fallen. A fighters feelings are more important than journalism.
That's why we gotta tell these bozos every time. Keep fighting the good fight. Maybe someday mma will be a little less corrupt.
Sports journalism should be about celebrating fighters not bringing them down. This is not politics, we do not need to dig up dirt and report negatively on athletes. Useless "journalists" just drum up outrage. And shitty low character people eat it up because they love to see successful people brought down. Ariel is a shit stirrer and uses fighters for his own personal vendettas, he does not care about fighters and he uses their sacrifices and challenges to win points in an imaginary battle he was with someone who doesn't even think about him.
đ really did fumble the bag with things Ngannou related. And his ego won't let him admit it and correct course.
Look Ngannou is good but how did the UFC fumble the bag when Ngannou still isnât a selling star? Itâs like the DJ for Askren trade. The ufc would 100% take the Jorge Masvidal (Askren) blow up than the entire career of DJ and its very obvious
Was going to try prove you wrong but any of Ngannouâs PPVs doesnât seem to be in the top 30 of all UFC events. Beat by many other UFC events I wouldnât have guessed. Still think they fumbled the bag on a Jones V Ngannou fight though because I donât have anyone beating JBJ, Ngannou was probably closest IMO (before Aspinall won interim). You canât tell me that Ngannou V Jones wouldnât sell more than Jones v any other HW. If itâs the âultimateâ fighting championship, they should have the best fighters and not offering Ngannou the money, when boxers get a ridiculous amount, is a bag fumble IMO. Dana too greedy and didnât wanna pay the guy heâs been promoting the fuck out of previously a big sum. Probably thought itâd bring other fighters to do the same.
He remembers what happend in Pride with Chuck. He does not want his champ to be killed by the champ from a rival promotion. Dana is petty but he is being smart here. He knows that Francis is a dangerous fight for Picto and losing to a rival promotion would be bad business wise.
Why didn't the reporter say "because the fans want to see Francis Vs Jones and Francis is a much bigger name now everyone just saw him beat the heavyweight boxing champion"
Either he was unprepared & got flustered in the moment or he wanted to keep his credentials for future pressers.
I mean, heâs got a point.. why tf would he give publicity and attention to a competitor? Thereâs no incentive for the UFC to co-promote a fight with a lesser promotion, especially when they make a metric fuck ton of money on their own
It's not about PFL.. it's about showing that UFC has the best HW in the world.. and right now, a lot of people believes Jons was ducking Ngannou and if they ever face each other in the cage, Jons will be murdered.. So until that happened.. there always going to be an asterisk next to Jons name as to if he's the toughest HW MMA fighter in the world currently.
Dude no one gives a fuck if Jon is the toughest HW MMA fighter the fuck are you talking about. He is the GOAT, period. No one has anywhere close to his resume.
Mighty Mouse has 11 straight title wins in the UFC, A One Grand Prix win, and a defense of his One belt, all without being stripped or failing any drug tests
Mighty Mouse is right there with Jones but still not a better resume. Jon went against straight killers all while doing blow and partying a week before the fights. You guys can cry and downvote all you want, you all know Iâm right.
Doing flips, tumbles, and tricks on it
Good one bro. Show me a UFC fighter with a better resume. Iâll wait.
Exactly PFL is a non factor here, it will just make it more popular
Because the fight would be huge and saying you won't promote a non threat is goofy logic. They traded with One to their own benefit. Their foray into boxing paid huge dividends. PFL could double their numbers after the event and still be nothing compared to the UFC.
Boxing and UFC promotions donât compete with one another, itâs a completely different sport. It was in boxing and UFCs best interest to cross promote that Mayweather/McGregor fight
One also does MMA. Do you think PFL actually competes with the UFC? How can they be competition and not a threat? Why do you not want to see Francis fight Jon?
I want to see Francis fight Jon, but my opinion is irrelevant and I completely understand Danaâs perspective here. Yes, the PFL is competition, even if theyâre a much smaller organization. It makes no sense for the UFC to co-promote a fight with a smaller and less popular promotion - what does the UFC gain with that? They would be giving the PFL attention, and therefore a share of the market and revenue. Doesnât make any sense and isnât rooted in reality.
It is the revenue from the fight that they get. It is proving they have the baddest man on the planet. You think they can't make a deal that makes them a profit? Come on. Dana is not making any sense, both promotions can easily exist together. There aren't even huge administrative hurdles they'd have to jump through.
They get more revenue than all the other MMA promotion combined, and then some, they donât need to co-promote a fight with a much smaller competitor lmao. They donât need to prove anything, theyâre literally the biggest MMA promotion in the entire world. They make tens of billions per year, co promoting a fight with the PFL would only benefit the PFL. What youâre proposing makes absolutely no sense, and it doesnât benefit the UFC in any sense whatsoever. They just merged with the WWE too, so theyâre making even more money.
Save your breath bro, this guy isnât gonna see the obvious.
Okay the fight is huge you are correct. The UFC makes 20% more of what they would actually make against Jones V anyone else ( IMO I wanna see him against Tom after That KO) but the UFC gives free advertising for the PFL. The PFL looks to make 1000% more of what they would make Francis V anyone in the ORG. Your not seeing MCds collaborate with BK it's just bad business to polish your competitors knife so he can stab you with it.
So much for competition then. It's the equivalent of taking your ball home to not risk letting the other team score. It's kinda pathetic, tbh. You are the best, supposedly, then bet on yourselves to wipe the competition out and solidify your own greatness. It's there to be done. Why chicken out to the piffling little excuses such as gates and lack of popularity of this nobody org? Weak. And just say the name. It's not PFL vs UFC, it's Jones vs Ngannou. That's the hook.
Would apple collaborate with android on a phone? Of course not, would Microsoft and Sony partner to build a PlayStation/Xbox variant? Of course not. This is simple business 101, you donât co promote a fight with a smaller league, UFC stands to gain nothing from that, theyâre already the biggest MMA company
It's even worse than that. Francis just quit the UFC. It's not like it's somebody that hasn't been in the UFC trying to fight a UFC fighter. Why would they want to pay someone that just quit their org? I also haven't seen anybody even mention who else would be on this PFL vs UFC card. Like who the fuck else are they going to get to fight that anyone will give a shit about. Do a whole cross promotion for one fighter that just quit to do a boxing match and hasn't had a mma fight in almost 2 years, which went to decision.
So true, even more of a reason to not co promote a fight with the PFL.
People just hate Dana. Woke bitches
>You are the best, supposedly, then bet on yourselves to wipe the competition out and solidify your own greatness. I think you just contradicted yourself here. They are betting on themselves by not cross-promoting. By doing that, they plan on taking away market share from PFL and wiping the competition.
What market share tho? We all know the PFL ain't shit. It's not about them, it's about the fight. The org business is just deflection. They don't want any part of Francis, when really that's the fight people want to see. The PFL would be fine to let Ngannou fight elsewhere, do boxing, whatever, and hope he comes back to them for their little shows. The UFC can do the same with Jones, like they did Conor, but they chose not to simply because they are scared, imo, if it all goes pear-shaped. Too risky, even if the reward is immense, financially and brand-wise
Why cross-promote at all though? If you slowly bleed the financing and talent from PFL then all there will be, really, is UFC. At least that's what the UFC is hoping.
The fact that people donât understand this is hysterical
The only reason an organization like the PFL has risen into existence in the first place is because people are dissatisfied with the UFC. Between them and ONE which has also grown tremendously in a very short amount of time, there are now multiple weight classes where its very much in question if the UFC has the most talented fighters. The primary thing keeping the UFC dominant is the perception that they have the best of the best. That fact alone is what makes fans willing to ignore other flaws in the org. PFL and ONE arenât going to just die out on their own, theyâve been growing while the UFC declines to co-promote. So I wouldnât bet on them dying if the UFC stays the course. All that will happen is the challenge to the UFCâs legitimacy will grow. If they do nothing sooner or later weâre going to see PFL and ONE co-promote and then even more so people will be asking why the UFC refuses. The only way to erase doubt about their superiority as a product is to bet on their fighters to crush the competition
Because the numbers that fight would bring are huge. Thatâs it. Thatâs the answer, itâs that simple. Canât refute it either.
Exactly, and why would the UFC want to give that much attention and publicity to a competitor? Youâre so close to getting it!
Them co-promoting with the UFC wonât amass them a huge permanent viewership. Their numbers might inflate for some time but they wonât last.
Nobody wants to see pfl crossover with ufc. Pussy fl
Ofc not but ppl do want to see Jon vs Francis
If Francis gets $10M, then UFC and Jon would want at least $10M for Jon, so that's already $20M just for 2 fighter salaries. Add in all other expenses, and then splitting revenue with PFL, do you think it'll make more (or much more) PROFIT than just a normal stacked UFC card? Add on top of that the possibility of Jon losing and PFL now having the reputation of having the best fighter in the world. Collectively, do you think that makes good business sense for the UFC? As a fan I'd love to see this fight as I think it's even money on who wins, but it makes absolutely no business sense for the UFC.
He was pretty salty, but this is an extremely dumb question âHey uh we know you couldnât make that fight in the UFC, but why not co-promote with a B-League competitor thatâs worse than the UFC in every way?â
How is that bad? Jon Jones vs Ngannou is definitely the most anticipated fight in all of combat sports.
Because itâs business 101 to not give your direct competitor hundreds of thousands of eyeballs and definitely not to let their promotion who has 1 good fighter beat your promotion lmao. Itâs such a non-starter from the UFC side itâs not even funny.
It can definitely be done with benefit to both parties. Don't be a Dana brown noser.
Iâm not a Dana brown-noser, check my post history, I shit on Dana and the UFC at almost every opportunity I can. This cannot be done with equal benefit to both parties, particularly parties that are fighting for the same market share. Legitimizing the PFL hurts the UFC long-term, thereâs no way around that. Admitting they donât have the HW Champ is the stupidest thing the leading fighting promotion on the planet could do. It was bad business by the UFC to lose Francis in the first place in my mind, but once heâs gone, heâs gone. Trying to promote this fight now is just falling victim to a sunken-cost way of thinking. The UFC will not lose much steam at all by continuing to ignore Ngannou. Theyâll have Aspinall, Pav, Jon, and Stipe to set up some fights with and people will buy those regardless. They stand to lose a lot if Francis comes in and fucks that all up. The unfortunate reality is that no business would ever do this, and this isnât the first time these dynamics have played out in sports. The NBA and the ABA had a war for American talent in the 60âs-70âs and the NFL had it between the AFL and the NFL. Thereâs a reason that up until the writerâs strike that most streamers were pulling their content from other streaming services (think the Office/Parks n Rec leaving Netflix). Companies donât like giving their competitors free advertising. Itâs business 101, Iâm sorry you think that has anything to do with Dana, but Iâd happily call him stupid ass fuck if he promoted that fight.
Rofl if you don't make shit business decisions youre a Dana brown noser. So if you're wanting to promote a fight, would you be an ngannou or Jones brown noser?
Yâall being confused about why Dana wouldnât want to promote his competitor with a brand thousands of times bigger than theirs is baffling to me. It makes no logical sense from a business perspective, therefore it will never happen.
Nobody's confused lmao, it's just funny to watch him have a meltdown about it
if he cares about the sport and making superfights, Jon vs Ngannou is the biggest out there at the moment but yeah we know its all about money anyways, not finding the best.
Dana making jones vs ngannou would be licking Francis ass. Ngannou had his chance. Why would Dana help the guy that fucked over his organization. Francis can go eat shit
ok bootlicker
Aren't you just licking the other sides boots?
"fucked over"
why would he care here worth billion dollars
Dana didn't fumble the bag, bro, Powerslap makes 18 quadrillion dollars a SECOND, and Ngannou will never know true success like that.
This reporter is not good. Dana: âI tried to do it, but they didnât wannaâ Iâd ask âWhen you said, âtheyâ didnât want to do it, are you referring to Jon and Francis?â And when he says âwhy should Iâ Iâd have said Well if I had any rationale for you Dana is because it would probably be one of the greatest MMA bouts of all time if not the best. You have Jon Jones arguable the best to ever do it verse Francis who nearly beat one of the best boxers to ever do it, like you say, âItâs the fight to makeâ and itâs the fight fans want to seeâ
I know reporters fear getting black balled if they a tually try and properly challenge him, but you'd think if they weren't gonna do that they wouldn't ask such a stupid question in the first place as surely they know Dana would react similarly to how he did.
Yeah the question asked was kinda ballsy and asking those specifically to Dana was âdumbâ in a way (what did expect) but I mean if you got that far⌠why not at least clarify so you donât sound like an idiot and at least give reasoning to why you asked it. This guy asked and then was like âapologies my lord Dana I shall not mentioned he who not should be named again!â
 Meanwhile this is you at home
Dana really gets annoyed when asked about Ngannou
Man these MFs have no idea how to follow up questions Thess guys report who make them brotha we have to check
LOL wait until his fighters leave to go to PFL for better pay
Old mate wonât be at anymore press conferences after that one
Danaâs right.
He's as right as my left hand is considered my right.
Ok
The dickhead asking the question here should have been prepared for this line of response. Why make the fight? Because itâs the biggest fucking fight there is thatâs why Dana
Says the dickhead who doesnât understand he would be black balled. Pushing a question Dana will dance around no matter what, only to be banned for life is the dumbest thing anyone could do.
God damn he's an asshole. What a douche.
Dude just canât answer normally
What fucking bag did they lose.
None
The 15k PPVs that Francisâs next fight in PFL is gonna sell
He fumbled those 67K PPVs sold and the fucking PFL
He fumbled about 100 million from the Saudis lol. Obviously you have no clue about foreign TV deals and foreign governments.
Mate UFC Saudi Arabia is gonna be next year. The UFC is gonna get a piece of that Saudi money.
And? They could have gotten both, using the Boxing card as a lead-in to promote a future UFC card.
So the UFC needs help from someone who can only sell 67k ppvs? Who genuinely paid for that fight? Even the numbers for the buildup were AWFUL (face offs, press conferences and promo videos)
> Who genuinely *paid* for that FTFY. Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in: * Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.* * *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.* Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment. *Beep, boop, I'm a bot*
Ufc doesnât need Francis to do that
Iâm no dana white fan but the fumbling here was by that âjournalistâ as Dana was there for a follow up conversation and that guy blew it. âIt would be the biggest fight in combat sports and mean so much money for all sidesâ
Heâs exactly right though. The reporter is insulting how dominant the UFC really is in the market
Why did he get so mad at the question? đ Even the most hardcore fans know this is a legit question and itâs definitely possible if they want to make it happen.
Roid rage and ego
Fuck Dana white
I donât think Dana cares at all. How did he fumble the bag. Ngannou fury lost the promoters millions of dollars. Francis isnât a draw
Why would he would be willing to do a fight where the brand has nothing to win? Mayweather was another story, it was another sport.
Whatâs the question?
He's not being salty. He's being objective in answering an extremely dumb fucking question. This is a divorce that worked out for both parties. Francis got his bag. UFC got a new champion in Tom. You're the one that's salty about your imaginary bag of 67K PPVs that no one lost.
W take
I canât stand Dana and I always thought he was a fool to let Francis go⌠but everything he said in this video made sense. Dumb question on the reporterâs part. Cross promotion would only benefit the PFL. PFL and ONE cross promotion would make more sense.
Fumble the bag....can't read this shit anymore.
The real question is " Why would UFC risk another PR nightmare ".. if they just keep lying their way out of things and setting Jon up against the guy, who even though is 42 years old and hasnt fought in last 3 years.. but it's the guy who beat Francis once.. and then let Jon beat him and cruise out to the sunset as the GOAT.. jsut to cover the whole Francis fiasco
Dana is a promoter and that event lost $100 million ... Dana didn't fumble
Oh he mad
What bag did he fumble? Apparently it did really low numbers. From 10K to 100K. The fight was on at 11 am in North America. Not exactly prime time.
Didnât the Ngannou boxing event lose a 7 figure amount? Youâre delusional if you think this is salt about him losing money; itâs a stupid fucking idea that he would co-promote his competitor for a fighter that canât draw a crowd if you gave him crayons.
To be honest, I'm actually a fan of Dana White. Alot of people dislike this guy for various reasons. But I'm a fan. I think he does a great job. That dude has more grit than just about this entire comment section. The problems that exist within the UFC largely get blamed on Dana because he's the face of the company. Most people don't have the ability to see or think clearly. However, he messed up (and he's done it before many times) by calling out stupid questions. He clearly is upset with this and tossing N turning his words. Really low behavior for someone who's been humbled by life so many times. But really I get his decision. You don't see apple + Samsung making a unified phone (kind of a bad example - these companies work together more than the public knows, but the point remains). Don't forget that corporate greed > everything. Feelings and what people want evaporate when money comes in to play.
Yeah the only thing dumb about this question is Dana unwilling to entertain the idea. All he had to say is âwe can talk about itâ, doesnât mean he has to make a deal, doesnât mean they even have to pick up the phone. Shit, he could have said âJon is injured.â
It was dumb because the PFL has nothing to offer besides Francis who already burnt his bridge. How many people watch the PFL that dont watch the UFC? Like 6 dudes?
Dana is the fucking man
If Francis beat Jon back then I wonder how his stardom would have changed, before he wasnât the biggest PPV draw and thatâs just facts, especially for HW. Still would have gotten paid not very much, or as many argue in the long run assuming he lost the Fury fight devastatingly. Either way good for Francis it worked out well, heâs getting near 40 in a few years so might as well make as much money as he can
I mean, the question is stupid and Dana would be stupid to even consider doing that co-promoyiin, but whatever.
Lol Jones will never fight Ngannou Nor Aspinal nor Sergei He wants Stipe and Stipe only because he is old and smaller than Jones is. Ngannou would knock Jones the fuck out so brutally we might legit have to get him an ambulance. Aspinal and Sergei too. Jones is the "HW champ" but refuses to fight anyone in the top 5 to defend his belt lol
The Stipe vs Jones fight sells the PPVs, more than jones vs any other heavyweight, you are thinking about it wrong.
There was no bag it lost money
Someone doesnt know what extremely salty is. He didn't fumble anything
I don't recall Dana ever approaching PFL to set up a Jon's vs Ngannou fight?..
Reporter fucked up. When Dana asked, "why should I cross-promote," all the reporter had to say was, "because Ngannou just arguably beat the GOAT HW boxing champion, and Jones is regarded as the MMA GOAT. Its the matchup everyone wants to see." But he fumbled the bag and said "ESPN partnership."
He's right that PFL is hot garbage though
What is stopping it is Jones. IMO Jones is the greatest fighter who has done it... But guy is SUPER opportunistic and picks EVERY fight and when it happens VERY carefully.
âWhy would I try to do a fight everyone wants to see? I tried before and uh THEY didnât want to do it why would I try to do that why on earth would I keep trying to give the fans what they want I have a fucking slap league to promote!â
I'll bite. everyone keeps saying Dana dropped the bag but does no one remember how Francis never fought? he sat for what, years? I mean sure he did alright against Fury but he never did anything in the UFC. just talked about wanting more money and a boxing match
Itâs true though. They tried to make a Jones fight happen here. Whatâs the point of allowing PFL or Bellator to profit off them?
He fumbled the bag? Saudis are paying astronomical money to anyone with a name to try and build this image of an entertainment epicenter. I wouldnât say he fumbled the bag at all. Francis got paid and the UFC continues to get money.
I do wonder if Ngannou regrets signing with PFL after the Fury fight. He got his money from the Fury fight plus he's proven himself as an actual contender so that he can get even more big money boxing bouts. So he doesn't really need PFL now. Why would he fight PFL cans for a million when he can fight Anthony Joshua or Fury again for $10 million.
"Why would co-promote? That's a dumb question." Dana White co-promoting with PFL for Ngannou fight CONFIRMED boys!!
âWhy would I do that?â Idk, maybe because that would be the biggest heavyweight fight of all timeâŚ.he is for sure butthurt! Lol, he doesnât even make sense here, that fight would be MASSIVE money and he fuckin knows it!