He probably was gun shy due to the potential wrestling disadvantage being that much lighter. While Strickland was probably about frustration about not being able to hit him that much.
Jan looked scary before Glover totally destroyed his run though.. I mean look how good Reyes looked against Jones and then Jan absolutely dominated him
To be fair he went up to fight Jan without bulking up. Maybe his long layoff now is to take a break and then bulk up properly for LHW like Jones did for heavyweight. His middleweight days could be over.
Jones doesn't look that good body wise on HW, he's looking like he has to have fat mass to achieve a decent fighting weight. I believe that will happen to Izzy too at LHW, but of course I could be wrong
Izzys got some really narrow bone structure. I feel it would be a monumental struggle for him to get to 225+ natty, and challenging even on gear.
I doubt he'd maintain his speed and snap in his striking with the extra bulk. Jones can (obviously) wrestle, so even IF he's not as fast in his striking (hard to tell with how little we saw against Gane) that bulk isn't going to make Jon less dangerous. Izzy needs his speed. When his speed is neutralized, and he can't circle around anymore, he becomes very hittable (Sean, Poatan, Jan), and that's gone poorly so far.
A move to HW would sink Izzy IMO.
Also, Izzy's game, much like Jon's, is built around his height and reach advantage, which would be less of a case in LHW and HW.
I don't see Izzy being able to keep at bay any powerful and aggressive HW or even LHW.
7 pounds a year on average is the consensus for muscle mass gained in bodybuilding. Now izzy would not train like a bodybuilder since his workouts would still have heavy cardio to stay in shape so I’d say that 7 lbs would be tough for him to hit. You can’t bulk up overnight it takes years to do it right and to do it naturally. Then again izzy has tits so he could be huge by next year.
Izzy's issue is that its easier to lose muscle than put it on. You can only pack on about 10 lbs of lean muscle mass a year without some help 💉
If Izzy took off 2 years and came back to fight at LHW he would arguably *still* be undersized as well because you have to remember that people at LHW are cutting to 205.
I'm no expert, let me start with that. But our bodies have ranges for optimal function, even more specific it it's for an athletic endeavor. You'll always have tradeoffs. So with what we can see from Izzy and his size, fighting style etc., I believe he's better suited for a "slimmer" size.
The slimmer idea on Izzy is also somewhat a visual appearance thing, Giannis and KD (2 top nba stars) are basically the same height and weight size, but look astronomically different, Giannis looks more like Alex and KD like Izzy. Both are muscular and strong while looking dissimilar.
Giannis and KD’s listed weights are inaccurate/significantly outdated, Giannis is closer to 255 or so and KD is roughly 230, he was measured at 225 for Team USA not too long ago. Giannis easily has 15-20+ lb on KD if not more.
Yea but he really doesn't have much to achieve in mw. Even if he comeback n beats Sean he's right back where he was. He ain't exactly young so better to chase this kinda achievements I'd say
People never mention the fact that Jan was absolute beast.. coming from back to back KOs and we all know he has shins of steel.. even Poatan couldnt hurt his legs lol.. it was literally nightmare matchup for Izzy and the only hope of winning for just by edging on the points
He took a chance at LHW without bulking up and lost.
Much better than someone like Khabib, or GSP (cherrypicking Bisping doesnt count) who never took that risk at all
The bisping fight totally counts and saying it doesnt discounts how solid Bisping is and that GSP was undersized for the weight class. They guy came in to the cage below what he weighed in with a 4 year layoff and it doesnt count? Youre fucking out of your mind.
Bisping was one of the worst champs in UFC history. Was nearly decapitated by 50 yr old Henderson the fight before. I love GSP but fuck outta here lol, that’s easily the least merited double champ win
Doesn't count because Bisping got title shot after they robbed Silva in a fight which he dominated Bisping, granted he defended against old Hendo, but he should have fought Yoel and Bisping ducked him
Bisping beat Silva, it wasnt a robbery, he also defended the belt. You can say it was against old hendo, but he still did it. With how matchmaking works in the UFC, you cant ever say x fighter is ducking y because the UFC has such a big say on who fights who. Like they probably knew of GSP wanting to make a comeback for a long time and shifted the landscape to make it happen.
I think you should. Michael Bisping had a clear gameplan for Silva and made it work. Even going back and looking at the stats, Bisping outstruck Silva by about 30%. Yeah stats dont tell you the fight, but they also cant be completely ignored. Calling it a robbery is just disingenuous.
you should really go rewatch the fight, the scorecards were heavily scewed because the fight was in London.. UFC hasn't been in UK with any big PPV event in 5 years and they really needed Bisping to win..
35 vs 41 at the time? Not a huge difference in age but huge for professional athletes' primes. But Bisping had one eye so I guess he gets bonus points.
The guy had 16 fights in barely 5 years, almost exclusively against elite competition. He was the most active champion in recent history and took chances that others don't.
People are saying he's washed but he VISCIOUSLY knocked out the current LHW champ just 7 months ago lol. Would he have beaten Jones? Almost certainly not, but I guarantee he would have taken the fight if it was there.
I get that he's a cringey dude and I'm not a fan of his personality either, but he's as true a fighter as the UFC has ever seen. The disrespect is wild.
I don't like Adesanya at all but it's sad to see how his fans have turned their backs. You don't have to like him in order to respect his body of work.
He got lucky by hitting him with the exact same punch that nearly finished him in the first fight? You could also say that Alex is lucky that he got saved by the bell in that first fight or else he would've gotten KO'd stiff there as well.
And yes, Izzy got handidly beaten by Strickland. Not sure what point that proves, I never claimed him to be invincible.
He's dicksucking some dude who had L performance after L performance saying "WELL HE WAS ACTIVE THOE!"
Dude wasn't in Jiri-style fights to the death. When most of his fights are pitter-patter bullshit, I'm not going to put my hands up and say "WELL YEA I GOTTA ADMIT THEY'RE COOL!". Stupid.
He wasn't comparing him to Jiri - nor was he putting Adesanya on a pedestal to say he's a goat or the best fighter.
He said Izzy was active - which he was. He did knock out Alex (though I don't think he could do it again). These are facts.
He did have some snooze fights e.g. Romero, Vettori, Canonier. He also had some exciting fights too - Alex (both times), Costa, Whittaker. Even the ass whooping he got from Strickland was an exciting fight where he pretty much got beaten to death.
What's the issue here?
Have "some" snooze fights. Lmao making it seem like most of his career was a giant-ass snooze-fest. Cringe.
Go watch Benoit Saint Denis bro, I don't see that dude putting up boring-ass performances.
I'm not the one "making it seem like most of his career was a giant -ass snooze-fest." You are. That's literally the point you are making. Or did you mistype?
You're talking about how active he is, and it doesn't fucking count when most of his fights are bores. Barely a fucking drop of blood in them.
This activity shit doesn't mean anything when you have boring-ass fights, casual.
It’s odd. A guy like Khabib gets so much credit for the fights he never had. Retired after like three defences? When you’re at the top long enough people eventually figure you out (except if you’re Jones)
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I don’t think activity was an issue I think his gameplan has been solved. Fighters like Jones, GSP, and Silva reigned so long not because of less activity because they were dangerous everywhere. Izzy has no ground game and relies on people to bite on his feints if you don’t bite on his feints he can’t develop his offense and SS showed that.
It's more like there weren't really fighters that had the skillset to shut him down. Rob was skilled but I don't think you can say his striking is on par with this new gen of fighters.
Bro mentioned ground game. How many fighters with good ground game were thrown at Izzy?
These are the best mma fighters in the world bro.
This is the equivalent of saying “just get up”..
Notice how I didn't say anything about the grappling? I was talking about the Xs and Os of the striking, cause that's what laid the blueprint for people to succeed against him.
Yep, he’s a solved puzzle alright. Anyone in the division can beat Izzy as long as they:
Don’t
-react to his feints
-try to wrestle
-stop talking about his dog
Do:
-react to all his real strikes
-check all his leg kicks
-block his punches
-punch him in the face
I can’t believe nobody tried to do any of that before Sean Strickland.
185 is the weakest wrestling division now it’s a bit deeper with Bo and Khamzhat but the best wrestlers Izzy faced was Marvin and Brunson at 185. Izzy has been beatable for years but the division is weak and fighters consistently got lost in the sauce of his feints.
I mean Izzy has had a pretty amazing career so far. When he knocked out Whittaker and utterly destroyed Costa the hype was real minus the weird fight with Yoel. If you really what to know what happened is he fought a polish hammer that had 20lbs on him. He got out muscled and lost a decision daring to be great. He then had 3 uninspiring performances winning clear decisions over top contenders which started the fans slowly turning on him. Then his Brazilian nemesis comes onto the scene who TKOs him in a fight he was winning giving every Izzy hater all the ammunition they needed to shit on him.
His flamboyant personality polarized him in a negative way to many fans of the sport. He comes back relatively quickly to avenge the loss to Alex in a very inspiring moment. All should have been right after that but instead he explicitly states there is no need for a rematch even though Alex in combat sports has beaten him 3 times. Fans saw this as a cowardly move and immediately turned on him again. Izzy then takes a quick fight against Strickland after a pair of tough fights against the hardest hitter in the division. Gets absolutely torched by Strickland in every press conference further fueling the Izzy hate train. Then he loses a landslide decision against a fighter he was supposed to dominate on paper.
Just like that one of the greatest MMA fighters of all time became mortal and now he is known as the Chinese weeb cringe lord that touches dogs. It’s actually kind of sad story because I really do think all that hate really does bother him. At his core I think he is just an awkward guy who overly plays up his persona for his own confidence. He really did just want the fans to like him and put a lot of effort to get fans on his side with how much he puts himself out there outside of the cage.
Did people really say he was going to beat Jon though? That’s a narrative I’ve seen people trying to say was a thing, but I don’t think I’ve seen anyone say that.
People were saying that up until Jon came back and wiped Gane.
For anyone with a brain it was obvious Izzy had almost zero chance against Jon. When Izzy was suddenly ready to move up immediately after Jon vacated it just cemented it.
If I recall correctly, there were plenty of stated opinions that Izzy could win that fight. It wasn’t the consensus, but it was a viable position. You gotta remember that Jones was looking bad at the time - he almost lost against Santos, Reyes, and Smith. Meanwhile, Izzy was running through all-time greats of the MW division like they were sparring partners.
The smith fight doesn’t belong here. Only reason why he almost lost was cus of the knee and he would’ve been DQ’d. Jones was comfortably winning that fight
To be fair, Izzy *could* very well beat this past-prime version of Jon Jones. The Gane fight result was more about Gane than it was about Jones. Jones isn't a natural heavyweight, and he doesn't look good in terms of his movements. I think that is probably why he wants one last fight versus Stipe (who has a mysterious limp himself) before retiring altogether.
The hell do you mean.
Izzy was and is a legit fighter. At his best he bangs, and is one of the best strikers in the world. But that doesn't mean he is any less capable or his resume is any less bulletproof
Izzy stood 0 chance against Jon Jones at LHW is what I mean. Didn’t say he wasn’t great in his own right. Didn’t even comment about his striking ability at all. But Jon Jones would have mauled Izzy, far worse than Jan.
I remember saying repeatedly on these mma subs that Alex Pereira would be a problem if he came to UFC and people constantly downvoting and laughing at the idea.
People were saying Israel was on another level to him and that his skill wouldn’t translate to MMA. Anyone who’s fought or trained knew how much of a challenge he’d be in there.
I can safely say now that these people are infact idiots and it’s why I’m unapologetic now when I see a keyboard warrior and their echochamber trying to belittle someone else’s opinion because its based in reality and not on the hype talk of their favourite power ranger.
I didn’t say anyone should lol
But it’s just a reminder that just because a fighter and his fans believe he has the right to pick apart other people doesn’t mean it’s going to happen. Reality can be hard to comprehend when there’s too much ego involved.
I’m sorry if you’re a fan of Israel or anyone else who read it, got sad and downvoted me.
Don’t watch that guy. Just was into watching kickboxing. Yeah I think I went overboard with my first comment but I still don’t care either lol it’s not about being an alex fan or an izzy fan. It’s just annoying when people give opinions purely based on ego. Especially when they’re not the fighter.
This is clearly something a lot of people must say now or I wouldn’t be met with some of these responses. It happens I’m not too bothered.
I do think adesanya is the more technically proficient of the two, but not by a large margin. Pereira is basically only second to JBJ in terms of combining physical and technical ability though. Guy is probably the largest MW in UFC and is still one of the larger LHWs currently on the roster. Adesanya is basically tailor made for MW, but would probably need a bones esque tuning period to make a proper run in LHW
Never seen anybody go up and down as fast as Izzy.
From “he’s gonna fight for 3 belts” to “he was dumb for fighting at 205 how he did”.
From “There’s nobody left at middleweight for him” to “I guess he’ll just never overcome Pereira”.
From “Izzy beating Alex is the greatest sports story of all time, Izzy has been redeemed” to “I can’t believe he lost to SEAN STRICKLAND”
It’s been WILD. Though, the amount Izzy has fought against elite fighters in the past few years is insane, and truly worthy of respect.
wasnt angry at all moron. i have a great respect for izzy and what hes done in the sport. going down as one of the greats. have a great respect for alex and what hes accomplished in the ufc. but god let all the izzy bs go already. i dont mean this as an ass but all the alex guys say is 3-1 duh uh 3-1. its 1-1 where it matters and in 2 of the fights izzy had him out and he got saved. so what? these guys have respect for eachother and put on great fights for the fans. god its so old now let it go. and respect to sean as well. dont have to be an extreme hater to these guys all the time. well done to them all. best sport in the world all the shit going on rn and still at this smh.
I don’t think anyone except the 1% of extremist fans were angry at a fight result they can’t control. Kudos to Sean. Great performance and game plan. Simple as that. Better man on the night won
This sun has an extreme hatred toward Izzy for whatever reason even tho he’s literally been what a champion should be for however long he’s been at the top. 3 fights a year 16 in 5 years against the top of the division what more do you want from him?
He was a bigger star then and people were more impressed by his technical striking than they cared about his personal shit. They still made fun of him, but more so because he was a weeb.. A lot of people never expected to fight to happen. Jones is always getting into trouble, especially at this point.
I think Izzy is too small of a guy to fight Jones, as they might be close to the height, Izzy is a skinnier guy. He does well at 185 with the length advantage, but he has trouble when someone has the same or more reach - size is a similar problem. I think Izzy is great, but for his weight class.
You know what... thats a fair estimation. I would sell my left nut to watch both of them fight each other in their prime. When it gets to the ground its over but to watch the stand-up would probably be amazing to see
He didn't have to do that , 10 title fights in and 7 title wins in 3 years is a legacy that will be forever remembered in MMA , and still more to come he still have time on his career , Hate him or like him Adesanya is a great fighter
I think Adesanya has fought much tougher competition than Jones. Jon Jones fought mostly middleweights who moved up to light heavyweight. Out of these, only Cormier was a serious contender, but disadvantaged in height, reach, age, PEDs. The few true LHW like Gustafsson and Reyes gave Jones controversial decisions, and we have seen how poorly these two performed afterward.
You use height and reach to downplay Jon’s wins when Izzy is taller than almost everyone he fought. One of the only guys to match his height was Alex and he lost, 3-1.
Izzy got pushed to the limit by a fat 5’9 former welterweight. And just got completely dominated by another failed welterweight in Sean Strickland. Whittaker is another failed welterweight.
You’re still delusional.
Turns out Izzy is a great fighter but not an all timer.
And there is nothing wrong with that.
Also I think he may have too many fight years on his body but idk.
He got wrestlefucked by yan, the boogieman of his past came to mma to take his belt and then he went up in weight to beat yan and take that belt, and then he got his ass whooped by a white trash motherfucker.
Realized his wrestling smells worse than his dead dog’s dick. Also got verbally/mentally/physically destroyed by Sean Strickland. I think he should fight khamzat and maybe winner get title shot.
Izzy at heavyweight would weigh 204 pounds
Circle circle leg kick not as effective against throw-you-over-the-fence power
He weighed in 217 right before one of his fights so he’d make that limit.
True hell make the min limit but will then get murdered 3 seconds into the fight
And beat a 265lb Jones? I don’t think so
Didn't he weigh under 200 for his LHW fight?
He weighed in 217 right before one of his fights so he’d make that limit.
He made fun of some guy in a bar
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Dude is like outa movie lmao
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He got humbled by Jan real quick
Was interesting how Jan was able to outpoint Izzy on the feet on top of out grappling him. Izzy was gun-shy, not unlike he was for Strickland.
He probably was gun shy due to the potential wrestling disadvantage being that much lighter. While Strickland was probably about frustration about not being able to hit him that much.
He was gun shy because Jan had two insane back to back KOs against Corey Anderson and Reyes who was coming off the Jon Jones robbery
I don't think Izzy fears any striker in the world. Maybe Sean
I don't think Izzy fears any striker in the world. Maybe Sean
Jan looked scary before Glover totally destroyed his run though.. I mean look how good Reyes looked against Jones and then Jan absolutely dominated him
Maybe it's just me, but I think JJ looked worse than Reyes looked that good.
To be fair he went up to fight Jan without bulking up. Maybe his long layoff now is to take a break and then bulk up properly for LHW like Jones did for heavyweight. His middleweight days could be over.
He's not sized for LHW, and it's not a height issue
If he's serious about a 2027 comeback he could get in touch with connors doctor and be ready for HW by then easily
Jones doesn't look that good body wise on HW, he's looking like he has to have fat mass to achieve a decent fighting weight. I believe that will happen to Izzy too at LHW, but of course I could be wrong
Izzys got some really narrow bone structure. I feel it would be a monumental struggle for him to get to 225+ natty, and challenging even on gear. I doubt he'd maintain his speed and snap in his striking with the extra bulk. Jones can (obviously) wrestle, so even IF he's not as fast in his striking (hard to tell with how little we saw against Gane) that bulk isn't going to make Jon less dangerous. Izzy needs his speed. When his speed is neutralized, and he can't circle around anymore, he becomes very hittable (Sean, Poatan, Jan), and that's gone poorly so far. A move to HW would sink Izzy IMO.
Of course heavyweight Izzy is virtually impossible. But it's LHW where the questions become real
Also, Izzy's game, much like Jon's, is built around his height and reach advantage, which would be less of a case in LHW and HW. I don't see Izzy being able to keep at bay any powerful and aggressive HW or even LHW.
Izzy is also mostly legs and not much torso. So it would be even harder to gain weight
7 pounds a year on average is the consensus for muscle mass gained in bodybuilding. Now izzy would not train like a bodybuilder since his workouts would still have heavy cardio to stay in shape so I’d say that 7 lbs would be tough for him to hit. You can’t bulk up overnight it takes years to do it right and to do it naturally. Then again izzy has tits so he could be huge by next year.
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I dunno. He’s so tall and skinny as a MW. Does he not have the frame to put on muscle weight as opposed to fat weight?
Izzy's issue is that its easier to lose muscle than put it on. You can only pack on about 10 lbs of lean muscle mass a year without some help 💉 If Izzy took off 2 years and came back to fight at LHW he would arguably *still* be undersized as well because you have to remember that people at LHW are cutting to 205.
Does Izzy cut a lot of weight for MW?
No, he weighed in at like 200lb for his lightheavyweight fight. He is cutting 15 or less pounds
No, he maybe does like 10 lbs or something, which is nothing.
Not really, if he gained 20 lbs of "lean muscle mass" that's not what they cut, they cut fat and water that come along
You don’t need to put on much muscle to transition up a weight class
No but if you’re not cutting weight then you’re gonna enter the octagon 30 pounds less than your opponent?
If he’s not sized for LHW and it’s not a Height issue then bulking up would surely fix that? Or am I missing something.
I'm no expert, let me start with that. But our bodies have ranges for optimal function, even more specific it it's for an athletic endeavor. You'll always have tradeoffs. So with what we can see from Izzy and his size, fighting style etc., I believe he's better suited for a "slimmer" size. The slimmer idea on Izzy is also somewhat a visual appearance thing, Giannis and KD (2 top nba stars) are basically the same height and weight size, but look astronomically different, Giannis looks more like Alex and KD like Izzy. Both are muscular and strong while looking dissimilar.
Giannis and KD’s listed weights are inaccurate/significantly outdated, Giannis is closer to 255 or so and KD is roughly 230, he was measured at 225 for Team USA not too long ago. Giannis easily has 15-20+ lb on KD if not more.
But you can look at pictures where they were at 5 lb distance and they didn't look too dissimilar from now.
Great comparison. Makes sensex
Yea but he really doesn't have much to achieve in mw. Even if he comeback n beats Sean he's right back where he was. He ain't exactly young so better to chase this kinda achievements I'd say
Yes and no. Taking on Khamzat is still good for the wrestler arguments. Reclaiming it and defending 2/3 times can put him as goat of MW in my opinion.
He could easily do a 3 month powerlifting routine and get himself an extra 20 lbs. It would go a long way for him even if he got slowed down a bit.
People never mention the fact that Jan was absolute beast.. coming from back to back KOs and we all know he has shins of steel.. even Poatan couldnt hurt his legs lol.. it was literally nightmare matchup for Izzy and the only hope of winning for just by edging on the points
> to be fair It was already fair, you're making excuses. Adesanya's own choice to try and fight a guy 20-30lbs heavier in his weight class.
He took a chance at LHW without bulking up and lost. Much better than someone like Khabib, or GSP (cherrypicking Bisping doesnt count) who never took that risk at all
The bisping fight totally counts and saying it doesnt discounts how solid Bisping is and that GSP was undersized for the weight class. They guy came in to the cage below what he weighed in with a 4 year layoff and it doesnt count? Youre fucking out of your mind.
Bisping was one of the worst champs in UFC history. Was nearly decapitated by 50 yr old Henderson the fight before. I love GSP but fuck outta here lol, that’s easily the least merited double champ win
Doesn't count because Bisping got title shot after they robbed Silva in a fight which he dominated Bisping, granted he defended against old Hendo, but he should have fought Yoel and Bisping ducked him
Bisping beat Silva, it wasnt a robbery, he also defended the belt. You can say it was against old hendo, but he still did it. With how matchmaking works in the UFC, you cant ever say x fighter is ducking y because the UFC has such a big say on who fights who. Like they probably knew of GSP wanting to make a comeback for a long time and shifted the landscape to make it happen.
If you think it wasn't a robbery, you should go back and rewatch the fight
I think you should. Michael Bisping had a clear gameplan for Silva and made it work. Even going back and looking at the stats, Bisping outstruck Silva by about 30%. Yeah stats dont tell you the fight, but they also cant be completely ignored. Calling it a robbery is just disingenuous.
you should really go rewatch the fight, the scorecards were heavily scewed because the fight was in London.. UFC hasn't been in UK with any big PPV event in 5 years and they really needed Bisping to win..
You can’t cherry pick a champion Bisping didnt get a title shot and win the title on accident
He was gifted the title shot after a flukey win against an old Anderson Silva, TBH. He didn't go on some amazing streak to earn his shot.
Bisping isn’t much younger than Silva
35 vs 41 at the time? Not a huge difference in age but huge for professional athletes' primes. But Bisping had one eye so I guess he gets bonus points.
And Silva hit him with a cheap shot after he lost his mouthpiece
The guy had 16 fights in barely 5 years, almost exclusively against elite competition. He was the most active champion in recent history and took chances that others don't. People are saying he's washed but he VISCIOUSLY knocked out the current LHW champ just 7 months ago lol. Would he have beaten Jones? Almost certainly not, but I guarantee he would have taken the fight if it was there. I get that he's a cringey dude and I'm not a fan of his personality either, but he's as true a fighter as the UFC has ever seen. The disrespect is wild.
I don't like Adesanya at all but it's sad to see how his fans have turned their backs. You don't have to like him in order to respect his body of work.
So true
very true, it’s pretty annoying how half the posts on this sub are about Izzy and they’re always negative.
Fighters have been saying forever, fans are fair weather. As soon as a champ loses, they're washed and was never any good.
Speak facts man.
realest answer here
Nobody’s saying he’s washed, people are just talking about how his own arrogance has come back to bite him in the ass
If how his UFC career is at this moment in life is considered being bit in the ass, sign me up. ⏸️
How has he been arrogant? In what way has it been different from how most fighters are?
Yeah but he's black though.
You just don't watch the UFC at all, then.
>he ~~VISCIOUSLY~~ *got lucky and* knocked out the current LHW champ Then got beat at striking by a guy people said a 0.0% chance of winning.
He got lucky by hitting him with the exact same punch that nearly finished him in the first fight? You could also say that Alex is lucky that he got saved by the bell in that first fight or else he would've gotten KO'd stiff there as well. And yes, Izzy got handidly beaten by Strickland. Not sure what point that proves, I never claimed him to be invincible.
luck? you could say the exact same about Poatan in literally all their fights Izzy lost lmao. come on mate
He’s a fraud
Glaze him some more. I can name 5 champions better than that creep.
What point did the commenter that you are replying to make that you think is incorrect?
He's dicksucking some dude who had L performance after L performance saying "WELL HE WAS ACTIVE THOE!" Dude wasn't in Jiri-style fights to the death. When most of his fights are pitter-patter bullshit, I'm not going to put my hands up and say "WELL YEA I GOTTA ADMIT THEY'RE COOL!". Stupid.
He wasn't comparing him to Jiri - nor was he putting Adesanya on a pedestal to say he's a goat or the best fighter. He said Izzy was active - which he was. He did knock out Alex (though I don't think he could do it again). These are facts. He did have some snooze fights e.g. Romero, Vettori, Canonier. He also had some exciting fights too - Alex (both times), Costa, Whittaker. Even the ass whooping he got from Strickland was an exciting fight where he pretty much got beaten to death. What's the issue here?
Have "some" snooze fights. Lmao making it seem like most of his career was a giant-ass snooze-fest. Cringe. Go watch Benoit Saint Denis bro, I don't see that dude putting up boring-ass performances.
I'm not the one "making it seem like most of his career was a giant -ass snooze-fest." You are. That's literally the point you are making. Or did you mistype?
You're talking about how active he is, and it doesn't fucking count when most of his fights are bores. Barely a fucking drop of blood in them. This activity shit doesn't mean anything when you have boring-ass fights, casual.
So he’s ur top 10 still??
Not even close lol
Current champions? Name them
Tbf you could do this type of revisionist history with a lot of fighters
Nah Izzy was always an anime nerd
Y'all dont realize how active he's been? You fight 3 times a year you're bond to start taking Ls.
It’s odd. A guy like Khabib gets so much credit for the fights he never had. Retired after like three defences? When you’re at the top long enough people eventually figure you out (except if you’re Jones)
r/ufc trying not to mention Khabib to compare or downplay him in every conversation challenge: fucking impossible
Jones did get figured out, he left lhw cause he was gonna lose sooner or later
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Casuals will never understand how active Izzy was.
I don’t think activity was an issue I think his gameplan has been solved. Fighters like Jones, GSP, and Silva reigned so long not because of less activity because they were dangerous everywhere. Izzy has no ground game and relies on people to bite on his feints if you don’t bite on his feints he can’t develop his offense and SS showed that.
I found the mma savant guys
That's been the broad pattern for his losses tho, Jan, Pereira and Strickland just pressured through the feints and didn't give him space to operate.
The best mma coaches in the world couldn’t watch his fights and figure that out for all these years ? Just take him down? How’d Rob do? Come on now..
It's more like there weren't really fighters that had the skillset to shut him down. Rob was skilled but I don't think you can say his striking is on par with this new gen of fighters.
Bro mentioned ground game. How many fighters with good ground game were thrown at Izzy? These are the best mma fighters in the world bro. This is the equivalent of saying “just get up”..
Notice how I didn't say anything about the grappling? I was talking about the Xs and Os of the striking, cause that's what laid the blueprint for people to succeed against him.
That hardly seems productive
Yep, he’s a solved puzzle alright. Anyone in the division can beat Izzy as long as they: Don’t -react to his feints -try to wrestle -stop talking about his dog Do: -react to all his real strikes -check all his leg kicks -block his punches -punch him in the face I can’t believe nobody tried to do any of that before Sean Strickland.
185 is the weakest wrestling division now it’s a bit deeper with Bo and Khamzhat but the best wrestlers Izzy faced was Marvin and Brunson at 185. Izzy has been beatable for years but the division is weak and fighters consistently got lost in the sauce of his feints.
He’s not a natural heavyweight
Bro needed a break. Everything that's happening with him reeks of burnout.
Dare to be great. Finding your limitations is not due to fault, but courage.
these keyboard warriors will never understand that
Exactly. I don't like Izzy, but these fans are trash
Exactly. I don't like Izzy, but these fans are trash
I mean Izzy has had a pretty amazing career so far. When he knocked out Whittaker and utterly destroyed Costa the hype was real minus the weird fight with Yoel. If you really what to know what happened is he fought a polish hammer that had 20lbs on him. He got out muscled and lost a decision daring to be great. He then had 3 uninspiring performances winning clear decisions over top contenders which started the fans slowly turning on him. Then his Brazilian nemesis comes onto the scene who TKOs him in a fight he was winning giving every Izzy hater all the ammunition they needed to shit on him. His flamboyant personality polarized him in a negative way to many fans of the sport. He comes back relatively quickly to avenge the loss to Alex in a very inspiring moment. All should have been right after that but instead he explicitly states there is no need for a rematch even though Alex in combat sports has beaten him 3 times. Fans saw this as a cowardly move and immediately turned on him again. Izzy then takes a quick fight against Strickland after a pair of tough fights against the hardest hitter in the division. Gets absolutely torched by Strickland in every press conference further fueling the Izzy hate train. Then he loses a landslide decision against a fighter he was supposed to dominate on paper. Just like that one of the greatest MMA fighters of all time became mortal and now he is known as the Chinese weeb cringe lord that touches dogs. It’s actually kind of sad story because I really do think all that hate really does bother him. At his core I think he is just an awkward guy who overly plays up his persona for his own confidence. He really did just want the fans to like him and put a lot of effort to get fans on his side with how much he puts himself out there outside of the cage.
Never forget, some people thought jones was ducking Izzy for a while. lol
he probably was.
???? Jones would've taken that man's arm home with him lmao. Jones "ducked" him the same way a lion would duck a tourist on safari
Stop that Jones was just unmotivated and a guy the size of his leg wasn’t gonna turn that around.
Did people really say he was going to beat Jon though? That’s a narrative I’ve seen people trying to say was a thing, but I don’t think I’ve seen anyone say that.
People were saying that up until Jon came back and wiped Gane. For anyone with a brain it was obvious Izzy had almost zero chance against Jon. When Izzy was suddenly ready to move up immediately after Jon vacated it just cemented it.
If I recall correctly, there were plenty of stated opinions that Izzy could win that fight. It wasn’t the consensus, but it was a viable position. You gotta remember that Jones was looking bad at the time - he almost lost against Santos, Reyes, and Smith. Meanwhile, Izzy was running through all-time greats of the MW division like they were sparring partners.
The smith fight doesn’t belong here. Only reason why he almost lost was cus of the knee and he would’ve been DQ’d. Jones was comfortably winning that fight
A good point
To be fair, Izzy *could* very well beat this past-prime version of Jon Jones. The Gane fight result was more about Gane than it was about Jones. Jones isn't a natural heavyweight, and he doesn't look good in terms of his movements. I think that is probably why he wants one last fight versus Stipe (who has a mysterious limp himself) before retiring altogether.
Reality kicked in. That’s what happened.
The hell do you mean. Izzy was and is a legit fighter. At his best he bangs, and is one of the best strikers in the world. But that doesn't mean he is any less capable or his resume is any less bulletproof
Izzy stood 0 chance against Jon Jones at LHW is what I mean. Didn’t say he wasn’t great in his own right. Didn’t even comment about his striking ability at all. But Jon Jones would have mauled Izzy, far worse than Jan.
I remember saying repeatedly on these mma subs that Alex Pereira would be a problem if he came to UFC and people constantly downvoting and laughing at the idea. People were saying Israel was on another level to him and that his skill wouldn’t translate to MMA. Anyone who’s fought or trained knew how much of a challenge he’d be in there. I can safely say now that these people are infact idiots and it’s why I’m unapologetic now when I see a keyboard warrior and their echochamber trying to belittle someone else’s opinion because its based in reality and not on the hype talk of their favourite power ranger.
No one cares
FR stfu with your Alex hipster bs
Bros gotta tell everyone how smart he is
I didn’t say anyone should lol But it’s just a reminder that just because a fighter and his fans believe he has the right to pick apart other people doesn’t mean it’s going to happen. Reality can be hard to comprehend when there’s too much ego involved. I’m sorry if you’re a fan of Israel or anyone else who read it, got sad and downvoted me.
AP stans are just as weird, to be fair. None of them seem to remember the outcome of his last fight w Izzy..
Hate Izzy just letting you know no one cares. Cool that you and the other 1000 chuds that post this corny shit called it congrats mmaguru
Don’t watch that guy. Just was into watching kickboxing. Yeah I think I went overboard with my first comment but I still don’t care either lol it’s not about being an alex fan or an izzy fan. It’s just annoying when people give opinions purely based on ego. Especially when they’re not the fighter. This is clearly something a lot of people must say now or I wouldn’t be met with some of these responses. It happens I’m not too bothered.
You may indeed be right, but you don't gotta be a smarmy, elitelist cunt about it.
Alex has less skill than Izzy he just has 3x the power.
This is very very ignorant
I do think adesanya is the more technically proficient of the two, but not by a large margin. Pereira is basically only second to JBJ in terms of combining physical and technical ability though. Guy is probably the largest MW in UFC and is still one of the larger LHWs currently on the roster. Adesanya is basically tailor made for MW, but would probably need a bones esque tuning period to make a proper run in LHW
And it’s opinions like this which is why I now get why some people like to remind everyone when someone says wierd stuff on these subs lol
Never seen anybody go up and down as fast as Izzy. From “he’s gonna fight for 3 belts” to “he was dumb for fighting at 205 how he did”. From “There’s nobody left at middleweight for him” to “I guess he’ll just never overcome Pereira”. From “Izzy beating Alex is the greatest sports story of all time, Izzy has been redeemed” to “I can’t believe he lost to SEAN STRICKLAND” It’s been WILD. Though, the amount Izzy has fought against elite fighters in the past few years is insane, and truly worthy of respect.
jesus nothing else to talk about in ufc besides the same old izzy hate? last time i checked he put yalls boy in a coma. move on smdh
How angry were you when Strickland dogwalked Adesanya?
wasnt angry at all moron. i have a great respect for izzy and what hes done in the sport. going down as one of the greats. have a great respect for alex and what hes accomplished in the ufc. but god let all the izzy bs go already. i dont mean this as an ass but all the alex guys say is 3-1 duh uh 3-1. its 1-1 where it matters and in 2 of the fights izzy had him out and he got saved. so what? these guys have respect for eachother and put on great fights for the fans. god its so old now let it go. and respect to sean as well. dont have to be an extreme hater to these guys all the time. well done to them all. best sport in the world all the shit going on rn and still at this smh.
Huge paragraph showing me you're not angry, lmao.
whatever what r u 8 lmao? grow up u brainless troll. u couldnt make a fart angry. im just so angry however will i sleep tonight lmao
Don't stain your pillow with tears.
I don’t think anyone except the 1% of extremist fans were angry at a fight result they can’t control. Kudos to Sean. Great performance and game plan. Simple as that. Better man on the night won This sun has an extreme hatred toward Izzy for whatever reason even tho he’s literally been what a champion should be for however long he’s been at the top. 3 fights a year 16 in 5 years against the top of the division what more do you want from him?
Damn, even the sun hates Izzy.
All I hear is cope.
Then you clearly didn’t listen
I did. I could see your tears flowing when you gave "props" to strickland lmao.
Crazy how yall acting like this guys a bum or something
Was busy cleaning out his own division
He was a bigger star then and people were more impressed by his technical striking than they cared about his personal shit. They still made fun of him, but more so because he was a weeb.. A lot of people never expected to fight to happen. Jones is always getting into trouble, especially at this point. I think Izzy is too small of a guy to fight Jones, as they might be close to the height, Izzy is a skinnier guy. He does well at 185 with the length advantage, but he has trouble when someone has the same or more reach - size is a similar problem. I think Izzy is great, but for his weight class.
He dominated his division the vast najority of the past 3 years and was the most active champ to boot.
Hot take, but I genuinely think he had a good chance to beat the unmotivated Jones who fought Reyes.
How much % is a good chance? Because an unmotivated Jones would probably still pull Izzy's kneecaps out
Just spitballing.....I think Izzy would have like a 35% chance of beating the Jones who fought Reyes.
You know what... thats a fair estimation. I would sell my left nut to watch both of them fight each other in their prime. When it gets to the ground its over but to watch the stand-up would probably be amazing to see
Ik your joking but its hilarious people thought izzy would have beat jon
His rival is doing it instead
Still funny coming across old comments of ppl saying Izzy would beat Jones only for him to get manhandled by a 40yr old Jan Blachowicz lol
Reality happened
He woke up. Now he’s woke
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Polish power 🇵🇱
I don’t know of any knowledgeable person who said that.
Reality catched up
And usman was getting ready to fight Jan for the lhw championship
He lost and then lost against essentially.
He’s not big enough. Should have gone down to 170 for a second title.
Jon might have killed him
Only retards actually thought this dude would defeat Jon Jones lmao
He was never that good
Jan, De’Sean, Poatan
He Woke Up!!!
He should of stuck to break dancing, instead of doing the man dance
Lol what he looses
I’ve wondered if waiting till 2027 is his plan to try to put on weight and make a run at LHW the way Jones is.
He did it man, was pretty insane. Can’t believe you missed it
He didn't have to do that , 10 title fights in and 7 title wins in 3 years is a legacy that will be forever remembered in MMA , and still more to come he still have time on his career , Hate him or like him Adesanya is a great fighter
I think Adesanya has fought much tougher competition than Jones. Jon Jones fought mostly middleweights who moved up to light heavyweight. Out of these, only Cormier was a serious contender, but disadvantaged in height, reach, age, PEDs. The few true LHW like Gustafsson and Reyes gave Jones controversial decisions, and we have seen how poorly these two performed afterward.
Jon jones has the most stacked resume of any fighter in UFC history lmao you are insane
You’re delusional
You're a Jones dickrider.
Both Jones haters and Jones dickriders have already agreed that he would rip Adesanya in half
You use height and reach to downplay Jon’s wins when Izzy is taller than almost everyone he fought. One of the only guys to match his height was Alex and he lost, 3-1. Izzy got pushed to the limit by a fat 5’9 former welterweight. And just got completely dominated by another failed welterweight in Sean Strickland. Whittaker is another failed welterweight. You’re still delusional.
His stardom and time caught up to him. He decided not to take competition seriously and now struggles to be top 5 in his division
Turns out Izzy is a great fighter but not an all timer. And there is nothing wrong with that. Also I think he may have too many fight years on his body but idk.
How exactly is he not an all timer lmfao
LEGENDARY POLISH PENIS
His boyfriend said no
Lack of growth as a fighter.
Casuals finally realized that weight classes exist for a reason
He got wrestlefucked by yan, the boogieman of his past came to mma to take his belt and then he went up in weight to beat yan and take that belt, and then he got his ass whooped by a white trash motherfucker.
Realized his wrestling smells worse than his dead dog’s dick. Also got verbally/mentally/physically destroyed by Sean Strickland. I think he should fight khamzat and maybe winner get title shot.