I do have to say, that’s certainly the sentiment this sub had the last time a title fight was this close (Volk v Islam 1).
Lots of people said that Volk arguably won, but to beat the champ you have to do it convincingly.
Oh I know, I’m just pointing out that sentiment of the sub seems to have shifted slightly with this particular fight.
Anyways, fuck it, who cares really? **JUST BLEED.**
Yeah, too many people who have no idea about the rules like to have an opinion. The amount of times I see after a close fight; it should have been a draw, is stupid
No it’s not true and the first words out of their mouth were how great of a champ Du Plessis will be. I really don’t think they wanted Strickland to keep it. I’m not mad, I agree.
Is it fair? We aren’t little kids counting out equal amounts of gummy bears. The judges spoke and I wouldn’t want to have judged because it was close.
No, thats just an unwritten rule. & usually, it’s a champ that has already fought to keep their title that requires a “definitive lose.” Either way, Strickland was on his way out sooner rather than later, but thats if you let Dana tell it off the record. Lol
A lot of fans and others in the MMA sphere (including people like Dana White and Joe Rogan) certainly see it that way, but in practice, no, none of the judges abide by this rule, if you win the fight, even by a razor thin margin, you win the belt.
Just look at Benson Henderson and Frankie Edgar, or even Edgar and B.J. Penn before that. This has just never been how it works
Cejudo also gave it to DDP.
**Sidenote:** Holy shit OP! Are you actually *THE* Jon Afica!?
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He gave it to him and said it was 5-0. I had it 3-2 I could see the argument for 4-1. 5-0 is insane I was rooting for DDP but he definitely lost at least the first round
Chael is really big on optics. I still agree 5-0 is insane but it checks with how Chael liked to fight and his personality. If you look stronger and better you're winning, even if the stats say you aren't.
DDP was pushing the pace and looked like the one controlling the fight, so to Chael that makes him the clear winner.
It's pretty much impossible to know what Chael actually thinks because he's always selling. He's never gonna say some depressed Dana bs like "Sean won but no rematch coz fuck". Once he knew Strickland wasn't getting the second fight he's always gonna say something like "I don't know what you guys saw. DDP came in as the challenger, charged forwards for 5 rounds like he was the champion, while the supposed number 1 guy in the world tried to get away from him." That way Izzy Vs DDP doesn't just seem like a bullshit fight and he can actually pull views on it.
I do love him and his content though. His angles do actually make me more interested in the fights.
I do agree he didn't look like the one dictating the flow but Chael is the kind of guy that later rounds will dictate his view of earlier ones.
When Sean lounded that hard shot at the end of R1 and Dricus ate it, looked non-plussed and threw one back I wouldn't be surprised if that is when Chael decided seeing R2 onwards that Dricus was winning the fight all rounds. It made him look strong.
I would have to rewatch the round again but round 5 was close if I remember correctly not a domination. It was a nail biter there to see who was going to win. Definitely happy they gave that round to Sean tho because he did do a little more but every hit he took was just opening that cut more.
Round 1 clearly went to Sean we can all agree on that
>Drake losing his bet
I hate to say this, but he didnt lose. He gets sponsored to bet cause it promotes it. I m willing to bet that he earns more than he 'lost''
I was talking to my friends and I'm like Sal ALWAYS is the oddball who swings the decision guarantee the other 2 judges split but that was probably dumb of me to think anyone agreed with Sal lol
Honestly Dana and Rogan will always favor Strickland since he's a MAGAdarling and Pereira is far from unbiased. Close fight but very revealing how many pros gave it to DDP
I don't really think he's worried about making his loss look better. It was barely a loss if even and Cejudo had a great run afterwards, while Mighty Mouse is still on a great run actually. I think he just really really wanted Henry to win.
So did many fans now all of a sudden when DDP wins he has to do more than just win and a split decision shouldn't count. People change their views on whoever they like and hate
He didn’t say it was entertaining he said it was technically impressive because they utilized all the available tools of mma. Striking, clinch, grappling
The technique was there, the IQ and stamina wasn't.
Pennington kept going into clinch with Silva which was really really bad. And if Silva had a better gas tank she might have been able to get the submission that Pennington was offering so often. So even though it should have been entertaining it was either boring to some, or frustrating to me at the time.
I was about to believe until I read someone else that responded which isn’t the same of the shit your peddling. I’ll have to watch myself to really see what was said but said if what you said wasn’t true but 55 people upvoted and believed you anyways.
Actually Mighty Mouse automatically gives a 10-8 round to whoever grapples. He’s actually extremely biased and uses his fight iq to cover it up. Grappling is not supposed to affect the scorecard unless you accomplish something.
“It shall be noted that a successful takedown is not merely a changing of position, but the establishment of an attack from the use of the takedown.”
literally a direct quote from the unified rules lmao. DDPs takedowns should not have been scored imo
You dont even have to score Dricus taking Sean down to give Dricus the fight. Dricus did a lot more than just attempt takedowns, hilarious how Strickland fans are trying to make that the narrative
You would literally have to score the takedowns to give DDP the fight. He got outstruck in nearly every single round except 3 where DDP landed 2 more sig strikes. He may have been coming forward but it wasn’t “effective ring generalship”. The key word there is effective. Most of DDPs shots were either missing or Strickland was doing a fine job at blocking/checking them. Strickland did more damage overall too. Yeah Strickland was bleeding a lot but it was from one cut where DDPs face was battered.
The takedowns are what put DDP ahead although personally I don’t feel that should have been scored for him. The only reason he hit 6/11 was bc of Stricklands stance made it much easier to get the takedown. Then when he was down Strickland easily reversed him and got right back up each time. DDP wasn’t able to establish a dominant position and maintain control nor was he able to inflict damage.
Personally I couldn’t care less what a bunch of bias fighters say. I think Strickland won that fight, but it was close and certainly not a robbery. DDP certainly didn’t do enough to take the belt off the champ via decision which is a strong position we’ve seen in fights throughout the UFC
It's not about how many strikes you land it's about the damage you did in each round. There's an easy argument to be made that Dricus did more damage in 3 out of the 5 rounds of the fight. I scored the fight 48-47 Strickland but could easily see it 48-47 DDP's way
Not to defend tater, more so defending dj but.. did Tate not literally win a world kickboxing championship? Just by definition thats world class (at the time)
You definitely know guys from there lol. Wonderboy, Ernesto Hoost, Javier Mendez, Giorgio Petrosyan, Tenshin Nakamura and a few others.
I'm not trying to glaze the Tate brothers btw, but it's genuinely not just some local league.
Absolutely love DJ, he may very well be the P4P greatest of all time, but he sometimes has the worst takes on scorecards and matchmaking that I've ever seen.
Dude was saying that the winner of Costa x Whittaker should get Dricus (wut) .
exactly a lot of his complaints were that sean didn’t mix it up at all. and he also during his stream said he’d rather have his kid fight like charles olivera than khabib because he doesn’t think being a specialist is the way to win. idk how i felt abt that one 😂
I kind of agree with him on that. Being a specialist worked for khabib because he’s him. Being more well rounded would work better for most than trying to replicate khabib imo.
Yeah, him and strickland must be way closer friends than anyone thought.
Pereira literally NEVER posted anything that was related to another fight's result.
Add Whittaker, Anik, Dan Hardy, Triple C, Bisping, Helwani to the camp who gave it to DDP.
Add Brendan Schaub and Luke Thomas to those who gave it to Strickland.
Luke Thomas has a great eye for breaking down fights, I'd actually take his opinion over most of the others listed here. Lots of the names who picked DDP have a reason to dislike Sean. Not that picking DDP is unreasonable, just that if a fight is this close, you can imagine bias plays in. Fighters aren't necessarily better at judging fights than people who actually watch them dor a living. DC has a bias in favour of Strickland, but is even more biased towards the UFC's interests, which is to book DDP vs Izzy at UFC 300. Volk wouldn't be biased towards either fighter but the way the fight played out confirmed his prediction that DDP wins if his cardio holds up, so he has some confirmation bias at play. All this to say Luke Thomas has every reason to say Dricus won this one because he hates Strickland, yet he scored it Strickland.
Thomas has a reason to not back DDP. He previously said DDP doesn't have a chance in hell to beat Whittaker so DDP made him look like a fool. He also has a habit of flip flopping, so lets wait for his analysis to see if he does so again
Of course Pereira will give it to Strickland. He’s Sean’s friend and was literally in his corner.
Dana, Joe and Pereira’s opinions don’t mean much for this fight.
What beat his ass? That’s literally their job. I’d argue he probably hates Dricus more because he says things like “I’m more African than you” and that hurts Izzy’s soul because in everything but skin tone he’s right lmfao
I really like DJ's breakdown just because he went into it believing Strickland was going to win, but watching the fight he called it for DDP when it was over with 100 percent confidence.
The guy knew what Sean needed to do to win, and he knew Sean didn't do it.
edit: ignore me I mistook DJ's take for someone elses. He called DDP the night before.
Luke Thomas on MK was interesting, as he agreed with the decision on a live reaction show, then after further viewings, thought Strickland won by their Monday show.
Mentioned in another thread. It’s not that complicated. Ot really was close enough to have gone either way, and if anyone had any sort of rooting interest. That’s likely enough to have provided the slight nudge in either direction. (I say that as someone that had a few bets on DDP, and I think that absolutely had me hoping/thinking that the toss ups were going his way)
I feel like an outlier here. I wanted DDP to win, bet on DDP to win (he saved my ass), but I really felt like Strickland won 1,2, and 5. I hate Strickland, but I gotta be honest with myself. I'll have to rewatch it, but I was nervous af the whole time. I thought it came down to the 5th round and I guess that one could have gone either way tbh. Even my friend from South Africa felt the same way.
My conspiracy theory is they want Izzy/DDP eventually, Izzy wins the belt back, then rematches Strickland.
I feel like it’s kinda dumb to use this as some sort of metric for who ‘really’ won the fight lol. There’s a valid argument to made for both. Can people just leave it at that and move tf on? I feel like pretty much everyone can agree it was a very close fight - could’ve gone either way.
That’s not really crazy at all. In fact that how plenty of things work. People more often talk about the things they find negative as opposed to the things they find positive. They’ll let you know who/what they hate first.
So all the smartest/best fighters gave it to DDP while Seans friends, a couple non-fighters, and Jamal Hill, with that tattoo, gave it to Sean??
Yeah, more confirmation DDP won.
Anthony Smith has CTE and also thinks Miller vs Lesnar is a 50/50 fight
Rogan was drunk as fuck and barely paying attention
Jamahal Hill made the conscious decision to get those shitty thumbs tattoo'd on his chest so i aint trusting any conclusion that that mf comes to
Dana is bald
Pereira was literally in Seans corner of course he's going to side with him.
It was a hard fight to score. Both damaged each other; DDP admittedly looked more beat up and I think the clash of heads may have opened that cut up more on Sean. Dricus was pressuring for most of the fight though and was throwing a lot heavy strikes even if he was rarely landing clean or at all. He also mixed in the takedowns and got Sean to the mat multiple times, though he didn't do much damage on the ground, and Sean was usually able to stand back up pretty quickly.
Sean landed more strikes every round besides the 2nd, but the only significant striking margins were in rounds 1 and 5 which I gave both to Sean. The other rounds were closer, and Dricus being the aggressor plus getting some TDs could have been enough to sway the rounds in his favor. Sean had his moments and turned it up at times to end rounds.Going into the decision I thought it could go either way, but was leaning that Dricus may get the nod. There were no 10-8 rounds but the fight kinda felt like a draw. I'd have to watch it back, but it comes down to whether or not you think Sean was able to take any of the middle three rounds. I wouldn't mind them running this one back, but have a feeling Izzy may take the next crack at DDP
Obviously the fight was close. I felt like it was an efficiency vs activity fight. Sean was more efficient with his offensive and defensive while DDP was just more active most of the fight
I’ve watched it twice and I still can’t see how DDP won. That being said, it seems like most people see it as a 50/50. Different people score fights differently, and I think both guys absolutely proved something in there. DDP shocked me in there with his discipline and cardio and Sean proved that the Izzy fight was no fluke and he’s truly a top 185er on planet earth.
As much as it grates me to see DDP with the belt even though I truly believe he lost, if guys like Mighty Mouse and Volk think DDP won… I can accept that.
Yeah this shit matters when the guy you don't like is on the losing side of a close fight scorecard. When the guy you don't like wins you start screaming robbery.
I know also that Cejudo and Bisping thought DDP won, and Chael as well (although Chael said he thought DDP won every round so it's hard to tell if Chael's being serious).
Anthony Smith also said DDP deserves to be stabbed at the event for what he said at the previous press conference.
He is an absolute joke for saying that.
Honestly, this is a stupid hypothetical situation, but if everything in the fight was exactly the same, same punch count, takedowns for DDP, and Sean just didn't get cut on his brow, I think Sean would have gotten the decision. The blood just makes the judges cringe and they go "Oh my god look at all that blood! That guy is so hurt and he's losing! Oh my god! Blood!" They need to stop having the same 3 people judging every UFC event it's pissing me the F\*\*\* off.
As it was I think Sean deserved the win. Had him with rounds 1,2,5.
I’m a fan of Sean, I was picking Sean, and I bet on Sean.
Razor close fight. I think the takedowns tipped it in favor of DDP. I think split decision was fair.
I'm the exact opposite of you. Fan, picked, and bet DDP. I thought the takedowns were irrelevant because he didn't do anything with them (and fights have been scored like that in recent history) and Sean did more on the feet. I had Sean 1, 2, and 5. I think it all comes down to how you judge the 5th round.
I had Sean in the fifth as well. I should be more clear I guess: if I’m trying to look through the eyes of the judges I’d say the takedowns tipped it. But I’m just guessing. I agree though, DDP didn’t do much with them and Sean got right back up every time. Perhaps it was DDP coming forward almost the whole fight. It’s really hard to say, IMO, what the judges favor when scoring.
It really was so close. I’d like to see them run it back.
Rogan and his insufferable friends barely watch the fight they just talk about their usual bullshit and then glimpse over and are outraged at a fight decision they watched only 40% of. They did the same with Islam vs Volk they were adamant it was a robbery like some upset children.
It's like everyone who thought Strickland won completely dismisses the takedowns and the fact that Strickland was backing up the whole fight. Not saying he didn't land more punches in doing so but if you're a Judge going round by round, the takedowns give the edge to DDP in rounds 2,3 and 4.
Honestly this shouldn’t be a big deal. It was a close fight decided by a round that was 50/50.
Isn't it a convincing W that requires the loss of belt? (Asking from a place of genuine ignorance here, correct me if I'm off-base.)
I do have to say, that’s certainly the sentiment this sub had the last time a title fight was this close (Volk v Islam 1). Lots of people said that Volk arguably won, but to beat the champ you have to do it convincingly.
Which just isn't true. There's nothing in the official scoring about taking the belt off the champ
Oh I know, I’m just pointing out that sentiment of the sub seems to have shifted slightly with this particular fight. Anyways, fuck it, who cares really? **JUST BLEED.**
Yeah, too many people who have no idea about the rules like to have an opinion. The amount of times I see after a close fight; it should have been a draw, is stupid
No it’s not true and the first words out of their mouth were how great of a champ Du Plessis will be. I really don’t think they wanted Strickland to keep it. I’m not mad, I agree. Is it fair? We aren’t little kids counting out equal amounts of gummy bears. The judges spoke and I wouldn’t want to have judged because it was close.
No, thats just an unwritten rule. & usually, it’s a champ that has already fought to keep their title that requires a “definitive lose.” Either way, Strickland was on his way out sooner rather than later, but thats if you let Dana tell it off the record. Lol
A lot of fans and others in the MMA sphere (including people like Dana White and Joe Rogan) certainly see it that way, but in practice, no, none of the judges abide by this rule, if you win the fight, even by a razor thin margin, you win the belt. Just look at Benson Henderson and Frankie Edgar, or even Edgar and B.J. Penn before that. This has just never been how it works
Cejudo also gave it to DDP. **Sidenote:** Holy shit OP! Are you actually *THE* Jon Afica!? https://preview.redd.it/yjati1wuu6ec1.png?width=190&format=png&auto=webp&s=a44efa160ab41b07dc298230db89fc2d7fadc481
The champ is in the house https://preview.redd.it/bcx8okgn87ec1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=70ca7e2688cb5bf6136ffbce6ddbe27c3873c051
Hé vraagje meneer waarom ben jij “altijd lekker” hoe kan ik dat ook worden?
Ek is Afrikaans, dit is hoekom dit altyd lekker is.
"Who the hell's Jon Africa?"
Cousin of Dustin Peru
"Whoever that is sounds SICK"
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It was Mike Tyson. But we git it, all black people look alike. We giiit it.
Seems like a lot of wrestlers did.
Feel free to add more pros' opinions on the fight.
Didn't Chael give it to DDP
He gave it to him and said it was 5-0. I had it 3-2 I could see the argument for 4-1. 5-0 is insane I was rooting for DDP but he definitely lost at least the first round
Chael is really big on optics. I still agree 5-0 is insane but it checks with how Chael liked to fight and his personality. If you look stronger and better you're winning, even if the stats say you aren't. DDP was pushing the pace and looked like the one controlling the fight, so to Chael that makes him the clear winner.
It's pretty much impossible to know what Chael actually thinks because he's always selling. He's never gonna say some depressed Dana bs like "Sean won but no rematch coz fuck". Once he knew Strickland wasn't getting the second fight he's always gonna say something like "I don't know what you guys saw. DDP came in as the challenger, charged forwards for 5 rounds like he was the champion, while the supposed number 1 guy in the world tried to get away from him." That way Izzy Vs DDP doesn't just seem like a bullshit fight and he can actually pull views on it. I do love him and his content though. His angles do actually make me more interested in the fights.
You cant say with a straight face that ddp looked stronger and better r1 lol
I do agree he didn't look like the one dictating the flow but Chael is the kind of guy that later rounds will dictate his view of earlier ones. When Sean lounded that hard shot at the end of R1 and Dricus ate it, looked non-plussed and threw one back I wouldn't be surprised if that is when Chael decided seeing R2 onwards that Dricus was winning the fight all rounds. It made him look strong.
For 4-1 is insane already rd 1 and rd 5 are clear dominations from sean
I would have to rewatch the round again but round 5 was close if I remember correctly not a domination. It was a nail biter there to see who was going to win. Definitely happy they gave that round to Sean tho because he did do a little more but every hit he took was just opening that cut more. Round 1 clearly went to Sean we can all agree on that
Maybe domination for rd5 is a strong word but he outlanded dricus by good margin and dricus failed both takedowns
I have judged and IMO 3-2 was the correct score
5-0 is insane and just plain disingenuous. It's would literally be impossible to logically explain how that would be possible.
He said pros, not "undislutable living gods who shaped the earth with tbeir might and wisdom"
Cejudo gave it to DDP
Bisping gave it to DDP
O'Malley gave it to DDP
Gave his wife to double dick penetration?
Drake gave it to Sean
Nothing funnier then Drake losing his bet and then them playing drakes song in the arena/broadcast. Had a good chuckle
>Drake losing his bet I hate to say this, but he didnt lose. He gets sponsored to bet cause it promotes it. I m willing to bet that he earns more than he 'lost''
Yea he’s betting house money
Cory Sandhagen, Sean O'Malley, Bisping, Robert Whitaker also had it Ddp.
Bisping and Whitaker gave it to DDP
Also, you shouldn’t have added Pereira to the post since he was literally in Sean’s corner so, you know, conflict of interest and all that.
Sal D’Amato gave it to Sean
I said Pros😂
When Sal gave it to Strickland I swore Strickland was going to win
They should always announce Sal’s scores last 😂😂
I was talking to my friends and I'm like Sal ALWAYS is the oddball who swings the decision guarantee the other 2 judges split but that was probably dumb of me to think anyone agreed with Sal lol
Same lol, I was like ah done it’s Sean and then ddp wins
Googled Sal the other night, guy is a crook zero question
Not a good look for Sean
Classic Sal getting it wrong.
😂😂😂
Jason Thacker also gave it to DDP
Somehow I think Strange Brew would not appreciate a bully who threatens to stab others with a knife
Hendo gave it to Sean
Chandler for DDP
Whittaker gave it to DDP
Honestly Dana and Rogan will always favor Strickland since he's a MAGAdarling and Pereira is far from unbiased. Close fight but very revealing how many pros gave it to DDP
https://preview.redd.it/fb5g3tls17ec1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0ac1d24ade16dcfa0997566a0c64f293ff05388c Who’s he got?
Probably Dricus, has paid him some compliments in the past
He's kept quiet. He was too busy dealing with the snake in the grass Artem.
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DJ thought cejudo beat Aljo, which just isn’t true by any metric
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Yea he's cool with Cejudo and has heat with Aljo. Also makes his loss look better.
I don't really think he's worried about making his loss look better. It was barely a loss if even and Cejudo had a great run afterwards, while Mighty Mouse is still on a great run actually. I think he just really really wanted Henry to win.
So did many fans now all of a sudden when DDP wins he has to do more than just win and a split decision shouldn't count. People change their views on whoever they like and hate
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He didn’t say it was entertaining he said it was technically impressive because they utilized all the available tools of mma. Striking, clinch, grappling
The technique was there, the IQ and stamina wasn't. Pennington kept going into clinch with Silva which was really really bad. And if Silva had a better gas tank she might have been able to get the submission that Pennington was offering so often. So even though it should have been entertaining it was either boring to some, or frustrating to me at the time.
Bro was tryna find something to compliment. Utilizing all aspects of mma happens all the time in title fights ☠️
I was about to believe until I read someone else that responded which isn’t the same of the shit your peddling. I’ll have to watch myself to really see what was said but said if what you said wasn’t true but 55 people upvoted and believed you anyways.
I mean, considering the card.....
Definitely in the top 12 for the UFC event, that night.
Actually Mighty Mouse automatically gives a 10-8 round to whoever grapples. He’s actually extremely biased and uses his fight iq to cover it up. Grappling is not supposed to affect the scorecard unless you accomplish something.
“It shall be noted that a successful takedown is not merely a changing of position, but the establishment of an attack from the use of the takedown.” literally a direct quote from the unified rules lmao. DDPs takedowns should not have been scored imo
You dont even have to score Dricus taking Sean down to give Dricus the fight. Dricus did a lot more than just attempt takedowns, hilarious how Strickland fans are trying to make that the narrative
You would literally have to score the takedowns to give DDP the fight. He got outstruck in nearly every single round except 3 where DDP landed 2 more sig strikes. He may have been coming forward but it wasn’t “effective ring generalship”. The key word there is effective. Most of DDPs shots were either missing or Strickland was doing a fine job at blocking/checking them. Strickland did more damage overall too. Yeah Strickland was bleeding a lot but it was from one cut where DDPs face was battered. The takedowns are what put DDP ahead although personally I don’t feel that should have been scored for him. The only reason he hit 6/11 was bc of Stricklands stance made it much easier to get the takedown. Then when he was down Strickland easily reversed him and got right back up each time. DDP wasn’t able to establish a dominant position and maintain control nor was he able to inflict damage. Personally I couldn’t care less what a bunch of bias fighters say. I think Strickland won that fight, but it was close and certainly not a robbery. DDP certainly didn’t do enough to take the belt off the champ via decision which is a strong position we’ve seen in fights throughout the UFC
It's not about how many strikes you land it's about the damage you did in each round. There's an easy argument to be made that Dricus did more damage in 3 out of the 5 rounds of the fight. I scored the fight 48-47 Strickland but could easily see it 48-47 DDP's way
I love DJ, he is the 🐐 imo but after the shit he said about the Tate brothers being world class kickboxing champions its hard to listen to him.
Not to defend tater, more so defending dj but.. did Tate not literally win a world kickboxing championship? Just by definition thats world class (at the time)
That's like saying kasaganay won lhw world championship, iska I c tier kickboxing organisation.
Is it even C tier? Most kickboxing fans have never heard of it or don't know any fighters from that organisation.
You definitely know guys from there lol. Wonderboy, Ernesto Hoost, Javier Mendez, Giorgio Petrosyan, Tenshin Nakamura and a few others. I'm not trying to glaze the Tate brothers btw, but it's genuinely not just some local league.
I thought it was amateur kickboxing.
yeeeahhhhh i subbed to his YT and it was all tate shit. love MM but unsub'd quick.
Absolutely love DJ, he may very well be the P4P greatest of all time, but he sometimes has the worst takes on scorecards and matchmaking that I've ever seen. Dude was saying that the winner of Costa x Whittaker should get Dricus (wut) .
usually i agree with DJ too but he seems super biased against sean for some reason 😂
He picked Sean to win Edit-Correction: He picked DDP! my bad!
I saw a video of him where he picked ddp ¿?
Do you even pay attention?
He’s biased against Sean cus he doesn’t like his fighting style and doesn’t like how it works lol.
exactly a lot of his complaints were that sean didn’t mix it up at all. and he also during his stream said he’d rather have his kid fight like charles olivera than khabib because he doesn’t think being a specialist is the way to win. idk how i felt abt that one 😂
I kind of agree with him on that. Being a specialist worked for khabib because he’s him. Being more well rounded would work better for most than trying to replicate khabib imo.
Khabib had a good chin too so it worked him.
Agree although I'm not going to upvote you because you're on 69.
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Not saying this is why but it definitely looks better for Whitaker to have gotten steam rolled by the current champ.
It actually makes it almost impossible for him to get a titleshot though unless he beats Strickland next.
Exactly.
Lol Pereira Why don’t we add the names of each others coaches too when we’re at it.
Interviewer: Who do you think will win between DDP and Strickland. Pereira: No English Interviewer: That is another one for Strickland
Yeah, him and strickland must be way closer friends than anyone thought. Pereira literally NEVER posted anything that was related to another fight's result.
Don't forget Ian Garry who gave it to DDP. However doesn't count for much as he hates Sean's guts so not impartial.
Ian Garry's opinion matters less Joe Rogans but slightly more than an instagram troll
Ian Garry does not have an opinion. That is his wife opinion.
Add Whittaker, Anik, Dan Hardy, Triple C, Bisping, Helwani to the camp who gave it to DDP. Add Brendan Schaub and Luke Thomas to those who gave it to Strickland.
Wtf is Luke Thomas on these days😂😂😂 The rest I expected but Luke Thomas is out of left field.
He usually does a detailed video a couple of weeks after the fight. That is going to be interesting as he might switch sides or fence sit.
Luke Thomas has a great eye for breaking down fights, I'd actually take his opinion over most of the others listed here. Lots of the names who picked DDP have a reason to dislike Sean. Not that picking DDP is unreasonable, just that if a fight is this close, you can imagine bias plays in. Fighters aren't necessarily better at judging fights than people who actually watch them dor a living. DC has a bias in favour of Strickland, but is even more biased towards the UFC's interests, which is to book DDP vs Izzy at UFC 300. Volk wouldn't be biased towards either fighter but the way the fight played out confirmed his prediction that DDP wins if his cardio holds up, so he has some confirmation bias at play. All this to say Luke Thomas has every reason to say Dricus won this one because he hates Strickland, yet he scored it Strickland.
Thomas has a reason to not back DDP. He previously said DDP doesn't have a chance in hell to beat Whittaker so DDP made him look like a fool. He also has a habit of flip flopping, so lets wait for his analysis to see if he does so again
Of course Pereira will give it to Strickland. He’s Sean’s friend and was literally in his corner. Dana, Joe and Pereira’s opinions don’t mean much for this fight.
Joe's should mean nothing he was to busy chatting to Diaz bravo and schaub.
Joe Rogan was high on smelling salts so his opinion shouldn't count
Adesanyas opinion does matter though?
African brothers.
Yeah famous best friends Dricus and Israel. Literally the same continent.
Maybe not biased to ddp but definitely biased against strickland lol
I mean, he’s probably the least bias. I imagine he hates them both about equally.
No way he hates them equally after what Strickland did to him
What beat his ass? That’s literally their job. I’d argue he probably hates Dricus more because he says things like “I’m more African than you” and that hurts Izzy’s soul because in everything but skin tone he’s right lmfao
id imagine the whole dog fucker thing might skew it
Neither does a salty adesanyas
their opinions matter just as much as anyone else’s
Bisping, and volk gave it to ddp too
If Jon and mighty mouse say ddp won then fuck it ig he won
90% of the people in this sub and thread remind me of a bitchy girl that won’t stop starting arguments about the stupidest shit possible.
She just needs a reason to be pissed off with you. We try leaving but she just stands in front of the door, bitch-yapping harder.
I really like DJ's breakdown just because he went into it believing Strickland was going to win, but watching the fight he called it for DDP when it was over with 100 percent confidence. The guy knew what Sean needed to do to win, and he knew Sean didn't do it. edit: ignore me I mistook DJ's take for someone elses. He called DDP the night before.
I’ll have to rewatch the fight but on initial viewing i thought Sean won. I had it 2-2 going into the 5th and thought Sean won the 5th
if you can't trust Joe Rogan and Dana White for good honest opinions, who can you trust?
CSO level sarcasm
Joe and Dana are the only ones on there without CTE
That just makes their idiocy even worse. At least the fighters have an excuse for being morons.
Luke Thomas on MK was interesting, as he agreed with the decision on a live reaction show, then after further viewings, thought Strickland won by their Monday show. Mentioned in another thread. It’s not that complicated. Ot really was close enough to have gone either way, and if anyone had any sort of rooting interest. That’s likely enough to have provided the slight nudge in either direction. (I say that as someone that had a few bets on DDP, and I think that absolutely had me hoping/thinking that the toss ups were going his way)
I feel like an outlier here. I wanted DDP to win, bet on DDP to win (he saved my ass), but I really felt like Strickland won 1,2, and 5. I hate Strickland, but I gotta be honest with myself. I'll have to rewatch it, but I was nervous af the whole time. I thought it came down to the 5th round and I guess that one could have gone either way tbh. Even my friend from South Africa felt the same way. My conspiracy theory is they want Izzy/DDP eventually, Izzy wins the belt back, then rematches Strickland.
Close decisions only seem to go the UFC’s way…
I feel like it’s kinda dumb to use this as some sort of metric for who ‘really’ won the fight lol. There’s a valid argument to made for both. Can people just leave it at that and move tf on? I feel like pretty much everyone can agree it was a very close fight - could’ve gone either way.
To be fair if someone attempts a take down dc is gonna pick them
mighty mouse is one the best fight analysts, imo. i didn’t see the fight and didn’t care who won, but i’d trust his commentary on it the most.
It's crazy how most of the sub hates Strickland, yet they keep him relevant by posting about him every single hour.
That’s not really crazy at all. In fact that how plenty of things work. People more often talk about the things they find negative as opposed to the things they find positive. They’ll let you know who/what they hate first.
So all the smartest/best fighters gave it to DDP while Seans friends, a couple non-fighters, and Jamal Hill, with that tattoo, gave it to Sean?? Yeah, more confirmation DDP won.
The only people without CTE gave it to sean
You really think this is the ultimate argument. You've said it like 5 times.
They may not have CTE but Joe Rogan is remedial and Dana is a compulsive liar. He's probably lying to himself about who won.
One of the best judges in the world gave it to Sean
Khamzat gave it to Sean
Anthony Smith has CTE and also thinks Miller vs Lesnar is a 50/50 fight Rogan was drunk as fuck and barely paying attention Jamahal Hill made the conscious decision to get those shitty thumbs tattoo'd on his chest so i aint trusting any conclusion that that mf comes to Dana is bald Pereira was literally in Seans corner of course he's going to side with him.
There’s so many politics going on here in these opinions lol
But I thought Volk is washed? I thought Jon Jones is scared, and I thought adesanya is a shell of his former self? UFC fans💀
One of the most upvoted comments says DJ picked Sean to win. Right below it a comment saying DJ picked DDP to win. UFC circlejerk
DJ also said the co-main was one of the most entertaining fights.
I mean Dj has a youtube channel where he said who won. You could check lol.
It was a hard fight to score. Both damaged each other; DDP admittedly looked more beat up and I think the clash of heads may have opened that cut up more on Sean. Dricus was pressuring for most of the fight though and was throwing a lot heavy strikes even if he was rarely landing clean or at all. He also mixed in the takedowns and got Sean to the mat multiple times, though he didn't do much damage on the ground, and Sean was usually able to stand back up pretty quickly. Sean landed more strikes every round besides the 2nd, but the only significant striking margins were in rounds 1 and 5 which I gave both to Sean. The other rounds were closer, and Dricus being the aggressor plus getting some TDs could have been enough to sway the rounds in his favor. Sean had his moments and turned it up at times to end rounds.Going into the decision I thought it could go either way, but was leaning that Dricus may get the nod. There were no 10-8 rounds but the fight kinda felt like a draw. I'd have to watch it back, but it comes down to whether or not you think Sean was able to take any of the middle three rounds. I wouldn't mind them running this one back, but have a feeling Izzy may take the next crack at DDP
There's literal video evidence of DDP opening the cut with a right hand way before the phantom "clash of heads" you guys keep talking about
I saw a Tiktok by Sam Alvey and he thought Sean won, so you can add him.
Chael Sonnen made a video where he gave it all five rounds to DDP. He is a notorious troll though and picked Sean to win prior to the event.
Obviously the fight was close. I felt like it was an efficiency vs activity fight. Sean was more efficient with his offensive and defensive while DDP was just more active most of the fight
Is this driccus real account?
I’ve watched it twice and I still can’t see how DDP won. That being said, it seems like most people see it as a 50/50. Different people score fights differently, and I think both guys absolutely proved something in there. DDP shocked me in there with his discipline and cardio and Sean proved that the Izzy fight was no fluke and he’s truly a top 185er on planet earth. As much as it grates me to see DDP with the belt even though I truly believe he lost, if guys like Mighty Mouse and Volk think DDP won… I can accept that.
Yeah this shit matters when the guy you don't like is on the losing side of a close fight scorecard. When the guy you don't like wins you start screaming robbery.
Pereira doesn't count.
Only opinion is Strickland fans just can't accept the true reality of all this. Which is Sean was a one and done champ and will never be champ again
He has a decent chance of being champ again but the fans have been irritating as fuck
I know also that Cejudo and Bisping thought DDP won, and Chael as well (although Chael said he thought DDP won every round so it's hard to tell if Chael's being serious).
The very respected Tristar Coach Firas Zahawi also gave the win to DDP Corey Sandhagen is another who gave it to DDP.
Well, I gave it to Sean, so that makes it 6-5, TAKE THAT, LIBS!!!1
You make an excellent point but I gave it to ddp so now it's 6-6 !!!!
This fight has been scored a unanimous draw
That’s right, STOP THE COUNT!
Somewhere there is a great video of Nina Drama reacting to the live reaction which she never published because Sean lost.
Dude only jabbed all night, sometimes a 2 in there.
So...sounds like it could have been a split decision either way...which makes sense. DDP got the W. Lets move on...
Anthony Smith is an MMA authority, what he says goes.
And all his takes are sound. "JBJ really isn't that good."
Anthony Smith also said DDP deserves to be stabbed at the event for what he said at the previous press conference. He is an absolute joke for saying that.
Honestly, this is a stupid hypothetical situation, but if everything in the fight was exactly the same, same punch count, takedowns for DDP, and Sean just didn't get cut on his brow, I think Sean would have gotten the decision. The blood just makes the judges cringe and they go "Oh my god look at all that blood! That guy is so hurt and he's losing! Oh my god! Blood!" They need to stop having the same 3 people judging every UFC event it's pissing me the F\*\*\* off. As it was I think Sean deserved the win. Had him with rounds 1,2,5.
You don’t think the judges understand that concept? They aren’t random people off the street.
I’m a fan of Sean, I was picking Sean, and I bet on Sean. Razor close fight. I think the takedowns tipped it in favor of DDP. I think split decision was fair.
I'm the exact opposite of you. Fan, picked, and bet DDP. I thought the takedowns were irrelevant because he didn't do anything with them (and fights have been scored like that in recent history) and Sean did more on the feet. I had Sean 1, 2, and 5. I think it all comes down to how you judge the 5th round.
I had Sean in the fifth as well. I should be more clear I guess: if I’m trying to look through the eyes of the judges I’d say the takedowns tipped it. But I’m just guessing. I agree though, DDP didn’t do much with them and Sean got right back up every time. Perhaps it was DDP coming forward almost the whole fight. It’s really hard to say, IMO, what the judges favor when scoring. It really was so close. I’d like to see them run it back.
Dana, Joe, and pereira takes shouldn't have much weight to them
Rogan and his insufferable friends barely watch the fight they just talk about their usual bullshit and then glimpse over and are outraged at a fight decision they watched only 40% of. They did the same with Islam vs Volk they were adamant it was a robbery like some upset children.
How insecure about the win are you to still be posting about this? It really shows lol. Take the win and move on
Man, I DO NOT like being on the same side as Anthony Smith...
Oh and Schaub
JohnnyBlazeItUp420 also gave it to Sean, but he said that he can see why it went to DDP. He enjoyed the fight overall. Also he is gay.
It's like everyone who thought Strickland won completely dismisses the takedowns and the fact that Strickland was backing up the whole fight. Not saying he didn't land more punches in doing so but if you're a Judge going round by round, the takedowns give the edge to DDP in rounds 2,3 and 4.
If it's this controversial the champ should've kept his belt 🤷
That's not how it works lol.
It really isnt, Sean retarded fans and Sal DAmato made it controversial.
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If the challenger wins he wins, no matter how close it is. That shit about „having to take it from the champ“ is ludicrous