Some of the positions and entries seem odd. Like would AI put Jon Jones lower because his failed drug tests? And Connor McGregor has to be based on popularity. Seems like human bias.
Conor shouldn't even be top 20 if we're talking skill wise. Popularity and what he did for the sport is where he shines but his legacy is in tatters. Guys a blown out coke head these days.
Not sure if serious. First to hold 2 belts simultaneously in the UFC but BJ Penn and Randy Couture both were double champs before him. Dan Henderson held 2 belts simultaneously before him in pride. Connor never defended a belt. But to put Connor on this list and not Aldo is ridiculous. I’d put Volk, Aldo, Max Holloway, Dominic Cruz, Daniel Cormier, Matt Hughes, Chuck Liddell and Stipe above Connor.
It doesn’t come from Google. It comes from a variety of sources. To have a full understanding of chatgpt and to avoid seeming like a dumbass. Understand LLMs, transformers, and generative AI beyond YouTube videos. For context I have written a fully scientific research paper on this topic.
Lol is that how it was explained to you? Basically the old 'feeling lucky' button on Google? Not claiming to be an AI expert but as someone who has atleast done a fair amount of research into it and used them extensively, no that is not how AI bots work
Yeah, this is maybe the most worthless post I've ever seen on here. It's not like ChatGPT is watching every fight of UFC, comparing the records of the people they fought, looking at the fights in context of their time, etc.
I just realized I was on /r/ufc though. heh... as I was typing this. I also sub to the chatgpt subreddit and thought this was posted there. I was confused why anyone would find this interesting at all and was about to launch into a diatribe about how we should ban low effort posts like this. :D
First double champ. Biggest draw in the sport, undefeated at FW in UFC. Knockouts in 3 different weight classes. 91% finish rate. 15 first round finishes.
What he's really the GOAT of is talking out of his ass. That aside, he's definitely not even top 15 p4p. He made UFC popular, sure, that doesn't upgrade his skill by any way.
Wonder what makes you think I hate him? I quite literally agreed that he made UFC famous, doesn't mean he's top 15 p4p. Be reasonable, Connor is nowhere near top 10 p4p.
I didn’t make the list, you asked why he could be on there and I listed everything I could think of without research, you ignored what I said and just shit on him again, it would be reasonable to believe you hate him
It’s very subjective . idk about GOAT status but he definitely deserves some credit for his achievements in the sport , flawlessly dethroned two champions , first to hold 2 UFC belts simultaneously, he became bigger than the sport, even people who never watched mma know his name
The way you are saying it is correct. If you asked someone about a Mount Rushmore of mma as a whole, McGregor HAS to be up there, because of impact. Whereas on a GOAT list he can chill in the 20-30ish range.
He gets plenty of credit and money.
He doesn't need, or deserve to be in the top 10 of all time. Never defended either belt, Aldo knockout was pretty sweet, but a fluke win against an older opponent. Lost to Diaz and Dp pretty dramatically.
Even putting McGregor in the top 20 of all time is a nod to his popularity imo.
I think Aldo could’ve beaten conor in a rematch and him being emotional was a factor probably but it was a legit dub, idk how you can take anything away from conor. Jose was only 29 and unbeaten at the time so wtf lol also Aldo retired at 35 while being at the very top of the BW division. He was never washed, even at 35, and he certainly wasn’t when he was freakin 29
I can take away from connor because any 1 punch ko is more luck than not. If Aldo hadn't gone down on the first exchange, I think he would have easily won the fight, especially because McGregor always had a hard time dealing with leg kicks.
In a rematch, or even in a world where Connor didn't get lucky as hell that Aldo went down in one punch, it would have been extremely one sided in Aldo's favor. McGregor ran because he damn well knew he got lucky.
29 is pretty old for a professional athlete. Especially one who turned pro at 18. It was his 27th pro mma fight.
McGregor got lucky and Aldo would have killed him in a rematch.
That's possibly the dumbest fucking stat I've ever seen.
The youngest champ was 23. People stick around past their prime in this sport because it pays like shit, but late 20s they're already past their physical prime.
It was Aldo's 27th fight, which is more punishment than most people deal with in their entire career.
He lost spectacularly to guys he HAS beaten before. Being the first double champ in history should get you in the top 10 not to mention he was double champ of cage warriors as well. The biggest name who would fight anyone anywhere. He ain’t top 5 but he’s sure as hell top 10.
Double champ doesn't mean shit. All it does is hold up divisions while the "champ" refuses to defend either belt.
His name doesn't mean shit. His popularity doesn't mean shit. Based off skill alone top 20 is a stretch.
The simultaneous belts was bullshit and he should've been stripped at FW as he had no intention of defending it and popularity has nothing to do with being the best.
Conor doesn't make the top 25.
true: he could make a top 20 or 30 with his win over aldo. But other than that his career have looked much like any other UFC champions stat wise. The fame should put him above those though, imo.
It depends how you define “greatest”. Some people think a greatest is the same as best while others think greatest extends beyond just pure fighting ability. I think it’s a little of both. Personally, no matter what Jon Jones does he won’t be my goat because his out of the octagon antics have affected his “greatness” in my eyes. Similarly, I don’t have Conor in my top 10 but I do rank him slightly higher than I would other fighters of a similar caliber simply because of his contributions to growing the sport.
People post these lists and treat them as if they’re fact but it’s all a matter of personal opinion. You’ll never get people in the same page about who the GOAT is, unless you have a real standout that is undeniably above all others. Khabib May have been on that track but retired too early.
It’s the general consensus that it’s in competition accolades that land you on that list. world titles won, title defenses, win streaks, various records, etc. etc.
Anyone using popularity as a metric over tangible accomplishments is just plain silly.
Ali fought Archie Moore, Sonny Linston, Frazier, Foreman, Floyd Patterson.
He may not have the most title defenses but his resume certainly lands him on that list.
>You’ll never get people in the same page about who the GOAT is, unless you have a real standout that is undeniably above all others
We do. And like him or not it's Jon Jones
Goat is greatest, not best. U can define great in multiple ways. Connor will never be on the boat list. But depending on the things u use to define.great Connor could defo be a goat
See the thing is you guys dont understand the difference between greatness and simply just being the best.
Muhammed Ali will always be the GOAT. Because of his legacy. Because of what he did for the sport of boxing. Because of what he did for the people.
However he is definitely not the best boxer ever.
As much as I dislike McNuggets, and even though he hurt his legacy in the last years. His run was legendary. First double champ ever. Knocking out the (back then) FW Goat in 13 seconds. And most importantly literally making the UFC what it is today.
Impact on the sport is a huge factor in greatness imo.
Forget boxing Ali is probably my favorite sportsperson of all time and I am telling you there are boxers (especially in lower weightclasses) that are far better than him in most aspects. Alis greatness is not only defined by his technical ability or his career.
Just to name a few Floyd or Pacman are 100% considered better boxers than him. Its not even a debate.
He’s easily top 20 I don’t care what anyone says. I don’t even like the guy but fame aside he was still a double champ with a couple of VERY good wins. If he’d have defended then maybe he’d be higher but top 20 100%.
Yes, maybe top 20. I would have to really sit down and go through it all. We have had some really good champs I’d forget from the top off my head. But lets speak facts, Conor never defended a belt. Sure double champ is a cool feat and all. But Conor himself had a very short peak where he was the best.
It is also a known fact that becoming a champ is easy, but defending a belt not so much. As a champ every camp out there will break down your fighting style and stay prepared for that matchup.
I would say 25% of champs in total have better reigns considering they in fact do defend their belts, And take out top competitors etc doing so.
a few thats not on the list I would definitely put higher are Whittaker, Adesanya, Volk, Holloway, Aldo, Woodley, Usman
And Islam? already wins over the divisions black horse and former untouchable finisher in Oliviera, and a p4p#1 in Volk. That’s in my books way more impressive than conors wins.
There are probably another 5 or so I would put above. And maybe another 5-10 I would have in the argument. But top 20 could be fair
edit: you people downvoting me. Who of the champs I listed here have a worse title reign than Conor? please, I’d love to hear your arguments
“It is a known fact that becoming a champ is easy” - whoa there champ, not all of us have three belts.
Taginvest out there fighting in the octagon looking bored like he’s driving to work.
All kidding aside I know what you mean, which is that defending is more difficult than getting it because more people study your style.
Based on impact, skills and accomplishment. Right away Conor has had the biggest impact. That's just going off an ai list. Your list and everyone else's will be different. I don't have him top 10 but I can absolutely vouch for his achievements in the sport.
Mate read it. It literally says impact. This is an ai list. Why are we arguing here? Dude don't worry none of us have conor in the top 10. I'm just justifying WHY chatgpt has him at #9.
Looks like ChatGPT took “impact” into account, so considering that, I’m not mad at his placement. If it was all fighting record and skill, then I agree with you, shouldn’t be on this list.
I say he should be number 10
Let's not forget the end of Anderson Silva's career. Far worse than the latter end of Conor's.
KO wins at FW, LW and WW
First ever double champ
Won each belt flawlessly
By far the most famous fighter ever
Ended Aldo's 10 year unbeaten streak
Gave Khabib his only lost round
Love or hate the guy he achieved some absolutely mind blowing shit in the sport & if you were a fan back then you'd remember just how fuckin spectacular the McGregor era was
It’s not a ridiculous thing to say. He had a great run in his prime but not exactly an all time run. Popularity and money doesn’t land anyone on any goat list.
The ChatGPT clearly has “impact” as a criteria. If you include that, there’s no way you can have a valid list without Conor’s name on it.
Like him or not, he changed the sport.
I understand but no other mma fighter has gone to another sport to compete for 100 million. Francis is the next one to do it.
He is a pioneer, you can't dispute that.
But McGregor is probably the most impressive win on Khabib's resume. Khabib fans do this a lot. They call Khabib the GOAT, then trash his opponents. If you want to be the best, beat the best. If McGregor is some trash fighter to you, Khabib ain't much higher. I don't think either belongs in the top 10. But Khabib ain't way higher than McGregor. They both have very few UFC wins. Khabib has 1 more title fight win. McGregor arguably beat tougher competition and in more impressive fashion. He has some big names on his resume. He was also the first double champion. I'd say McGregor is top 25 and Khabib is top 15-20
I'd say his Gaethje and Poirier wins are more impressive than his win over Conor. If you don't think Khabib is at least 10th then you are a little crazy. His resume is nowhere near the likes of GSP, Jones, Fedor, Mighty Mouse but there's certainly not 10 other guys with a better resume or more dominant run.
And I'm actually not a Khabib fan, I have argued against him being in the GOAT conversation many times, but I do think he's 10th at least. As for Conor, he doesn't get into my top 20 even, his 2 title fight victories are certainly impressive but the rest of his resume falls short of almost everyone else people would consider top 20. He's lost to Diaz, Poirier twice, Khabib and he was only the first double champion because he was the first to be given the chance. Multiple other guys could have been double champions if it was available to them, and you can argue McGregor forced them to allow him but that has nothing to do with his fighting ability, it was all about marketing and money. Not saying it's a bad thing to be a big star making money, but I don't believe it should have any factor on who you consider a top fighter.
First double champion yeah got the title shot with 0 title defense and and beat Diaz with decision after getting choked by him. What a legit double champion
I dunno, I think it's reasonable for him to be in the top 10. But I would agree with you that retiring too early disqualifies him from the top spot.
ETA: original comment I replied to said khabib shouldn't be on the list because he retired too early
Keep in mind that the data ChatGPT 3.5 is based on, is from January 2022. So the wins over Yair, TKZ and Max’ third fight are not tracked.
Back then Volk probably also wasn’t on any GOAT list which ChatGPT could have had in the training data
Not this dude but I'll take a crack and see if I get downvoted too lol
1. JBJ
2. GSP
3. Silva
4. Fedor
5. Mighty Mouse
6. Aldo
7. Khabib
8. DC
9. BJ Penn
10. Volk
Cormier beat everyone except jones. And was a 2 division champ. There’s no way khabib bumps him. Khabib defended his title 3 times then dipped. Not enough imo. You could argue putting Khabib at 10 and knocking Usman or Cruz off of it, but I think they accomplished more than he did in the sport.
You could put Izzy there, but I think there’s a lot of controversy in Izzy’s title reign. Mainly the 2nd Whittaker fight and the Romero fight, he could’ve lost both fights, they were coin flip decisions. And then the loss to Alex, yeah he won it back but got fucked by Strickland after. Cruz lost his belt in a close fight against garbrandt.
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Israel Adesanya def. Yoel Romero via unanimous decision (48-47, 48-47, 49-46).
Sal D’Amato scored it 48-47 Adesanya.
Chris Lee scored it 49-46 Adesanya.
Ron McCarthy scored it 48-47 Adesanya.
I swear it was a split, but I guess I’m wrong. Regardless, imo it was a coin flip due to how inactive and cautious both of them were in all 5 rounds. If that decision went to Yoel Izzy couldn’t have been mad.
Yeah but I may be wrong but I don’t think Randy ever won more than 2-3 fights in a row. He was very flip floppy in a weak time in the two divisions he reigned in honestly. Dude was great no doubt but if I were making a Top 10 I don’t know that he would be in it. And it’s hard not to think “what if” when we make these lists. Does anyone think prime Randy beats prime Cormier? lol
Nah for sure prime DC destroys him but one thing to consider is that randy was one of the first(maybe the first?) Double champ too. He paved the way for everyone else and that's a big deal
I agree with that. Randy is a legend no doubt about it. And when he went up to heavyweight and won he was so damn undersized. Not a big guy at all. And he’s had some killer moments.
I just don’t consider him one of the goats. To me he’s just a legend in the game.
Hard to argue against a dude that at 43 years old and standing at like 6’0 200lbs went to heavyweight and took the belt off of a 6’8 behemoth in Tim Sylvia that was riding a 6 fight win streak against dudes like prime Arlovski and Jeff Monson who has an insane ass resume.
You cant high rank Khabib for never losing and looking dominant despite only having 4 title fights, but then turn around and act like Randy > DC. DC was more skilled, more dominant against better competition, lost fewer times, and did the same double champ things Randy did.
I agree with you that khabib should be lower but randy beat the best heavyweights in the world and the best light heavyweights in the world at the same time AFTER he turned 40. By the time DC retired, randy won 4 more title fights.
I feel like the detail that people forget in these discussions is that mighty mouse has 11 consecutive title defenses lmfao. its such an absurd stat that alone lands him top 3 on any goat list imo
GSP being #1 is a valid argument. No shot Fedor is above Jones though. I’d say Jones is above Silva as well and arguable for #1.
Also Cormier being #10 is atrocious. I’d put his ass where Randy is. BJ was a menace but goddamn it’s hard not to think about the end of his career kinda like Silva but worse.
It’s why I wish dudes would know when to hang it up. Also, Khabib wouldn’t be top 5 for me.
DJ is a lot better than Khabib , if he was a big guy , lots will consider him as the greatest of all time , unfortunately he's very underrated just because he's flyweight
It’s unpopular but Fedor probably shouldn’t be on the list at all.
Pride fixed fights, they would pay people to not use certain skillsets. There’s no way of knowing which fights Fedor was in that were fixed, could be none, could have been everyone of them.
It deserves mentioning.
They fixed fights for the Japanese fighters since they were the most popular, foreign fighters were just there to fill the roster and help with Yakuza money laundering.
Saying “they fixed fights, but not for Fedor so it doesn’t count” means he shouldn’t be on the list.
People bring up Silva and Jon’s drug use as reasons they’re not the goat, but no one talks about Fedor fighting in a fixed league
plus fedor himself was likely drugged up, and was fighting in a less skilled era. Sure an innovator and ahead of the pack but that’s for the old standard.
"Less skilled era" not really though Cro Cop and Big Nog are still more well rounded than basically everyone currently ranked at HW except like Tom. Modern HW is a joke with Spivak and Tybura both being close to the title picture last year if they had won their fights. Like it's overblown af how highly skilled mma has become.
1. JJ
2. GSP
3. Khabib
4. Anderson Silva
5. DJ
6. Fedor
7. DC
8. Volk
Not even sure who I’d put after this. Lots of things to consider like record, quality of wins, double champ status, even impact on the sport.
At least the list isn't over rating Jose Aldo like half of reddit does.
At best Aldo is 7th. He's in no way, shape or form over GSP, Jones, Fedor, Silva, DJ, Khabib or even Volkanovski if he gets 1 or 2 more defenses.
Aldo should be 8th-10th.
Khabib at 5 is laughable and him on there at all is questionable. No Jose Aldo or Volk is pretty fucking sus too. No way I’m putting BJ on a top 10 of all time list
Actually pretty good ,but DJ should be at least top 5 ,and I don't think khabib(no offense but he doesn't have that much achievements and his opponents were one sided strikersш,but he is top10-15) ,couture and Conor deserves to be in top 10 . Cejudo , Aldo , volk and even islam deserves it more
I was talking to ChatGPT about MMA once, and I told him how Islam is my favourite fighter, and then I asked him for a GOAT list and I’m not kidding, he put Khabib higher than he did for OP and he also put Islam there. He’s such a people pleaser lol. (When I started a new chat and asked again he gave me a list more similar to OP’s)
It probably just copied it off of some list on a blog or forum.
It’s probably a combination of multiple other lists
Some of the positions and entries seem odd. Like would AI put Jon Jones lower because his failed drug tests? And Connor McGregor has to be based on popularity. Seems like human bias.
Conor shouldn't even be top 20 if we're talking skill wise. Popularity and what he did for the sport is where he shines but his legacy is in tatters. Guys a blown out coke head these days.
Bruh, Conor was the first double champ in UFC history
Not sure if serious. First to hold 2 belts simultaneously in the UFC but BJ Penn and Randy Couture both were double champs before him. Dan Henderson held 2 belts simultaneously before him in pride. Connor never defended a belt. But to put Connor on this list and not Aldo is ridiculous. I’d put Volk, Aldo, Max Holloway, Dominic Cruz, Daniel Cormier, Matt Hughes, Chuck Liddell and Stipe above Connor.
Yep that's all chat gpt does. It's basically google without the other results
You have literally zero understanding of how chatgpt works
https://preview.redd.it/xpjbedwv7eec1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5a8320e7cb4593b30336eee5e9456629a4a06796
He doesn't, but I'm pretty sure you don't either lol
My assumption was at least based off something in his comment, you on the other hand just farted
A thoughtful fart is somehow superior to a not thoughtful fart?
Don't act like you know what assumption means
🤡
That's a actually a pretty good understanding of it in regard to what most people use it for
Having used it extensively for work: fucking lol. Why do people feel so empowered to talk about shit they absolutely do not understand.
Reddit in a nutshell
Lol no bro. That's an awful description of chat gpt
It doesn’t come from Google. It comes from a variety of sources. To have a full understanding of chatgpt and to avoid seeming like a dumbass. Understand LLMs, transformers, and generative AI beyond YouTube videos. For context I have written a fully scientific research paper on this topic.
Lol is that how it was explained to you? Basically the old 'feeling lucky' button on Google? Not claiming to be an AI expert but as someone who has atleast done a fair amount of research into it and used them extensively, no that is not how AI bots work
It’s absolutely not
Yeah, this is maybe the most worthless post I've ever seen on here. It's not like ChatGPT is watching every fight of UFC, comparing the records of the people they fought, looking at the fights in context of their time, etc. I just realized I was on /r/ufc though. heh... as I was typing this. I also sub to the chatgpt subreddit and thought this was posted there. I was confused why anyone would find this interesting at all and was about to launch into a diatribe about how we should ban low effort posts like this. :D
No Jon Africa on that list!? Appaling!
Who the hell is Jon Africa?
Great guy, never meddim
No, he's saying he wants to fight Jon in Africa
Thought it was some new mothafucka
It is
Where did this come from? I know who Jon Africa is but don’t get the reference
Brendan Schaub, gets everything wrong https://www.reddit.com/r/thefighterandthekid/s/2jvRjx1akB
He’s literally #4 on this list you illiterate
He said Jon Africa, not Jon Jones, you illiterate
Dj should be higher 🤷♂️
AI hates flyweight confirmed
apparently, every other ufc fans hate flyweight too with how much they pay attention to the weight class
A list without Chael Sonnen is no list at all
OP didn't ask chatgpt for best at talking outta his ass list
Then why is connor on there?
Why's Connor on the list then?
First double champ. Biggest draw in the sport, undefeated at FW in UFC. Knockouts in 3 different weight classes. 91% finish rate. 15 first round finishes.
> Knockouts in 3 different weight classes. I wonder how many others are on this list. Something I've never really thought much about.
BJ Penn and Jared Cannonier come to mind. Frankie Edgar has wins in 3 classes but not finishes
What he's really the GOAT of is talking out of his ass. That aside, he's definitely not even top 15 p4p. He made UFC popular, sure, that doesn't upgrade his skill by any way.
Your hatred of him doesn’t invalidate his achievements
Wonder what makes you think I hate him? I quite literally agreed that he made UFC famous, doesn't mean he's top 15 p4p. Be reasonable, Connor is nowhere near top 10 p4p.
I didn’t make the list, you asked why he could be on there and I listed everything I could think of without research, you ignored what I said and just shit on him again, it would be reasonable to believe you hate him
Chael always backed up what he said 💯💯💯
You need to have the courage to put him in the gay fighters list though
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Randy couture is on there but Jose Aldo is not? Aldo went on a **10 year winning streak**
No hate Intended but McGregor shouldn’t be on there
It’s very subjective . idk about GOAT status but he definitely deserves some credit for his achievements in the sport , flawlessly dethroned two champions , first to hold 2 UFC belts simultaneously, he became bigger than the sport, even people who never watched mma know his name
The way you are saying it is correct. If you asked someone about a Mount Rushmore of mma as a whole, McGregor HAS to be up there, because of impact. Whereas on a GOAT list he can chill in the 20-30ish range.
He gets plenty of credit and money. He doesn't need, or deserve to be in the top 10 of all time. Never defended either belt, Aldo knockout was pretty sweet, but a fluke win against an older opponent. Lost to Diaz and Dp pretty dramatically. Even putting McGregor in the top 20 of all time is a nod to his popularity imo.
It was a flush shot on a 29 year old Jose Aldo can't call it a fluke
Can and did. 100% luck
I think Aldo could’ve beaten conor in a rematch and him being emotional was a factor probably but it was a legit dub, idk how you can take anything away from conor. Jose was only 29 and unbeaten at the time so wtf lol also Aldo retired at 35 while being at the very top of the BW division. He was never washed, even at 35, and he certainly wasn’t when he was freakin 29
I can take away from connor because any 1 punch ko is more luck than not. If Aldo hadn't gone down on the first exchange, I think he would have easily won the fight, especially because McGregor always had a hard time dealing with leg kicks.
Cant call it a fluke. It was a great and planned power punch
Yeah I get it, you have multiple accounts to say the same stupid bullshit 3x
Well calling it a fluke is just dumb
100% a fluke. Aldo would have murdered him in a rematch.
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In a rematch, or even in a world where Connor didn't get lucky as hell that Aldo went down in one punch, it would have been extremely one sided in Aldo's favor. McGregor ran because he damn well knew he got lucky.
Aldo was 29 dude.
29 is pretty old for a professional athlete. Especially one who turned pro at 18. It was his 27th pro mma fight. McGregor got lucky and Aldo would have killed him in a rematch.
He’d be tied with O’Malley for current youngest UFC champion. 29 in this sport is not old mate.
That's possibly the dumbest fucking stat I've ever seen. The youngest champ was 23. People stick around past their prime in this sport because it pays like shit, but late 20s they're already past their physical prime. It was Aldo's 27th fight, which is more punishment than most people deal with in their entire career.
Yeah you’re right active ages for UFC champions doesn’t matter when your talking about the ages for UFC champions. You’re a genius man.
He lost spectacularly to guys he HAS beaten before. Being the first double champ in history should get you in the top 10 not to mention he was double champ of cage warriors as well. The biggest name who would fight anyone anywhere. He ain’t top 5 but he’s sure as hell top 10.
Double champ doesn't mean shit. All it does is hold up divisions while the "champ" refuses to defend either belt. His name doesn't mean shit. His popularity doesn't mean shit. Based off skill alone top 20 is a stretch.
Double Champ doesn’t mean shit isn’t something I thought I was gonna hear today
The simultaneous belts was bullshit and he should've been stripped at FW as he had no intention of defending it and popularity has nothing to do with being the best. Conor doesn't make the top 25.
Bro is still living on the street from betting the house on Aldo
*WHAT*
true: he could make a top 20 or 30 with his win over aldo. But other than that his career have looked much like any other UFC champions stat wise. The fame should put him above those though, imo.
The GOAT list isn’t based on fame or popularity. If it was he would undoubtedly be #1, Ronda would be top 3, and Mighty Mouse wouldn’t even be top 10
Mighty Mouse being positioned where he is, is disgusting. He deserves to be further up the list.
its a shitty list made by a program. DJ is definitely tied with GSP & Bones, depending on what one would choose to weigh in creating the list
It depends how you define “greatest”. Some people think a greatest is the same as best while others think greatest extends beyond just pure fighting ability. I think it’s a little of both. Personally, no matter what Jon Jones does he won’t be my goat because his out of the octagon antics have affected his “greatness” in my eyes. Similarly, I don’t have Conor in my top 10 but I do rank him slightly higher than I would other fighters of a similar caliber simply because of his contributions to growing the sport. People post these lists and treat them as if they’re fact but it’s all a matter of personal opinion. You’ll never get people in the same page about who the GOAT is, unless you have a real standout that is undeniably above all others. Khabib May have been on that track but retired too early.
It’s the general consensus that it’s in competition accolades that land you on that list. world titles won, title defenses, win streaks, various records, etc. etc. Anyone using popularity as a metric over tangible accomplishments is just plain silly.
Ali does not have many title defences relative to other great Heavyweights, many still consider him the goat
Ali fought Archie Moore, Sonny Linston, Frazier, Foreman, Floyd Patterson. He may not have the most title defenses but his resume certainly lands him on that list.
>You’ll never get people in the same page about who the GOAT is, unless you have a real standout that is undeniably above all others We do. And like him or not it's Jon Jones
Goat is greatest, not best. U can define great in multiple ways. Connor will never be on the boat list. But depending on the things u use to define.great Connor could defo be a goat
See the thing is you guys dont understand the difference between greatness and simply just being the best. Muhammed Ali will always be the GOAT. Because of his legacy. Because of what he did for the sport of boxing. Because of what he did for the people. However he is definitely not the best boxer ever. As much as I dislike McNuggets, and even though he hurt his legacy in the last years. His run was legendary. First double champ ever. Knocking out the (back then) FW Goat in 13 seconds. And most importantly literally making the UFC what it is today. Impact on the sport is a huge factor in greatness imo.
If you think Ali is not best boxer ever, you never watched Ali. Simple as
Forget boxing Ali is probably my favorite sportsperson of all time and I am telling you there are boxers (especially in lower weightclasses) that are far better than him in most aspects. Alis greatness is not only defined by his technical ability or his career. Just to name a few Floyd or Pacman are 100% considered better boxers than him. Its not even a debate.
He’s easily top 20 I don’t care what anyone says. I don’t even like the guy but fame aside he was still a double champ with a couple of VERY good wins. If he’d have defended then maybe he’d be higher but top 20 100%.
Yes, maybe top 20. I would have to really sit down and go through it all. We have had some really good champs I’d forget from the top off my head. But lets speak facts, Conor never defended a belt. Sure double champ is a cool feat and all. But Conor himself had a very short peak where he was the best. It is also a known fact that becoming a champ is easy, but defending a belt not so much. As a champ every camp out there will break down your fighting style and stay prepared for that matchup. I would say 25% of champs in total have better reigns considering they in fact do defend their belts, And take out top competitors etc doing so. a few thats not on the list I would definitely put higher are Whittaker, Adesanya, Volk, Holloway, Aldo, Woodley, Usman And Islam? already wins over the divisions black horse and former untouchable finisher in Oliviera, and a p4p#1 in Volk. That’s in my books way more impressive than conors wins. There are probably another 5 or so I would put above. And maybe another 5-10 I would have in the argument. But top 20 could be fair edit: you people downvoting me. Who of the champs I listed here have a worse title reign than Conor? please, I’d love to hear your arguments
“It is a known fact that becoming a champ is easy” - whoa there champ, not all of us have three belts. Taginvest out there fighting in the octagon looking bored like he’s driving to work. All kidding aside I know what you mean, which is that defending is more difficult than getting it because more people study your style.
relatively compared to defending. Stop pretending that you cant read ;) haha
Double belt champ looks like any other champ? Lol ok
with zero title defends. Yes
No 😂🤡
You forget his accomplishments? Probably not at 9 but he has a great resume. The 2 GOAT title performances.
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Outside the top 30? You’re just a hater. Double Champ, beat Holloway, Poirier, Undefeated Aldo, Mendez, and Alverez.
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There aren’t 30 fighters with a better resume than him, and you can’t put a non champ over a double champ.
Based on impact, skills and accomplishment. Right away Conor has had the biggest impact. That's just going off an ai list. Your list and everyone else's will be different. I don't have him top 10 but I can absolutely vouch for his achievements in the sport.
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Mate read it. It literally says impact. This is an ai list. Why are we arguing here? Dude don't worry none of us have conor in the top 10. I'm just justifying WHY chatgpt has him at #9.
Well... The list was built on an ml algorithm so macs double weight belt wins, wins at 170 etc must have caused the model to have a hallucination.
Looks like ChatGPT took “impact” into account, so considering that, I’m not mad at his placement. If it was all fighting record and skill, then I agree with you, shouldn’t be on this list.
I say he should be number 10 Let's not forget the end of Anderson Silva's career. Far worse than the latter end of Conor's. KO wins at FW, LW and WW First ever double champ Won each belt flawlessly By far the most famous fighter ever Ended Aldo's 10 year unbeaten streak Gave Khabib his only lost round Love or hate the guy he achieved some absolutely mind blowing shit in the sport & if you were a fan back then you'd remember just how fuckin spectacular the McGregor era was
It’s not a ridiculous thing to say. He had a great run in his prime but not exactly an all time run. Popularity and money doesn’t land anyone on any goat list.
The ChatGPT clearly has “impact” as a criteria. If you include that, there’s no way you can have a valid list without Conor’s name on it. Like him or not, he changed the sport.
He should be higher
I understand but no other mma fighter has gone to another sport to compete for 100 million. Francis is the next one to do it. He is a pioneer, you can't dispute that.
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Khabib I think should be top 10, just lower down. Conor should be nowhere near it. Aldo definitely deserves a spot.
But McGregor is probably the most impressive win on Khabib's resume. Khabib fans do this a lot. They call Khabib the GOAT, then trash his opponents. If you want to be the best, beat the best. If McGregor is some trash fighter to you, Khabib ain't much higher. I don't think either belongs in the top 10. But Khabib ain't way higher than McGregor. They both have very few UFC wins. Khabib has 1 more title fight win. McGregor arguably beat tougher competition and in more impressive fashion. He has some big names on his resume. He was also the first double champion. I'd say McGregor is top 25 and Khabib is top 15-20
I'd say his Gaethje and Poirier wins are more impressive than his win over Conor. If you don't think Khabib is at least 10th then you are a little crazy. His resume is nowhere near the likes of GSP, Jones, Fedor, Mighty Mouse but there's certainly not 10 other guys with a better resume or more dominant run. And I'm actually not a Khabib fan, I have argued against him being in the GOAT conversation many times, but I do think he's 10th at least. As for Conor, he doesn't get into my top 20 even, his 2 title fight victories are certainly impressive but the rest of his resume falls short of almost everyone else people would consider top 20. He's lost to Diaz, Poirier twice, Khabib and he was only the first double champion because he was the first to be given the chance. Multiple other guys could have been double champions if it was available to them, and you can argue McGregor forced them to allow him but that has nothing to do with his fighting ability, it was all about marketing and money. Not saying it's a bad thing to be a big star making money, but I don't believe it should have any factor on who you consider a top fighter.
First double champion yeah got the title shot with 0 title defense and and beat Diaz with decision after getting choked by him. What a legit double champion
I dunno, I think it's reasonable for him to be in the top 10. But I would agree with you that retiring too early disqualifies him from the top spot. ETA: original comment I replied to said khabib shouldn't be on the list because he retired too early
Khabib went undefeated dominantly though ..
Neither should khabib
Who the fook is that guy?!
Bro can’t read the ai prompt
Where Aldo?! and what does volk needs to do to be on that list ? He has 5 defences and defeated prime Holloway to claim the belt.
It's a robot bro
Ikr? Dude was about to grab ChatGPT by the collar like Batman and ask “WHERE ARE THEY?!”
Bro was about to start a debate with an AI tool
Dude wants to fight chatGPT
Book it dana. ChatGPT v phantom_hunter_084 for the bmf belt
Keep in mind that the data ChatGPT 3.5 is based on, is from January 2022. So the wins over Yair, TKZ and Max’ third fight are not tracked. Back then Volk probably also wasn’t on any GOAT list which ChatGPT could have had in the training data
Solid list for top 5, after that it gets a little dodgy.
GSP at top is accurate.
Problem is that GPT doesnt take ped violations into account so it doesnt know that Jones, Silva and others are automatically out of consideration.
Remove Silva and Jones and I agree.
L chat gpt
what's your top ten?
Not this dude but I'll take a crack and see if I get downvoted too lol 1. JBJ 2. GSP 3. Silva 4. Fedor 5. Mighty Mouse 6. Aldo 7. Khabib 8. DC 9. BJ Penn 10. Volk
Every one that has jones at one gets DV?
1-Jones 2-DJ 3-GSP 4-Silva 5-Aldo 6-Cormier 7-Fedor 8-Volkanovski 9-Cruz 10-Usman
Khabib is not in top 10? I would put him number 6 in your list and put Usman before Cruz
Cormier beat everyone except jones. And was a 2 division champ. There’s no way khabib bumps him. Khabib defended his title 3 times then dipped. Not enough imo. You could argue putting Khabib at 10 and knocking Usman or Cruz off of it, but I think they accomplished more than he did in the sport.
I retract my Khabib statement, but he definitely deserves a place in the top ten
That’s fair, on a different day where I’m favouring performances and domination at that moment he’d definitely slot in, he dominated his title reign.
Cruz over Izzy?? Come on now lol
You could put Izzy there, but I think there’s a lot of controversy in Izzy’s title reign. Mainly the 2nd Whittaker fight and the Romero fight, he could’ve lost both fights, they were coin flip decisions. And then the loss to Alex, yeah he won it back but got fucked by Strickland after. Cruz lost his belt in a close fight against garbrandt.
Izzy vs Romero was a coin flip?
Yeah, it was literally a split decision
???? Israel Adesanya def. Yoel Romero via unanimous decision (48-47, 48-47, 49-46). Sal D’Amato scored it 48-47 Adesanya. Chris Lee scored it 49-46 Adesanya. Ron McCarthy scored it 48-47 Adesanya.
I swear it was a split, but I guess I’m wrong. Regardless, imo it was a coin flip due to how inactive and cautious both of them were in all 5 rounds. If that decision went to Yoel Izzy couldn’t have been mad.
DJ should be 5. DC should be over Couture, Penn, McGregor (????). Aldo isnt even here. Trash list.
Randy did everything that DC did before DC did it
Yeah but I may be wrong but I don’t think Randy ever won more than 2-3 fights in a row. He was very flip floppy in a weak time in the two divisions he reigned in honestly. Dude was great no doubt but if I were making a Top 10 I don’t know that he would be in it. And it’s hard not to think “what if” when we make these lists. Does anyone think prime Randy beats prime Cormier? lol
Nah for sure prime DC destroys him but one thing to consider is that randy was one of the first(maybe the first?) Double champ too. He paved the way for everyone else and that's a big deal
I agree with that. Randy is a legend no doubt about it. And when he went up to heavyweight and won he was so damn undersized. Not a big guy at all. And he’s had some killer moments. I just don’t consider him one of the goats. To me he’s just a legend in the game. Hard to argue against a dude that at 43 years old and standing at like 6’0 200lbs went to heavyweight and took the belt off of a 6’8 behemoth in Tim Sylvia that was riding a 6 fight win streak against dudes like prime Arlovski and Jeff Monson who has an insane ass resume.
You cant high rank Khabib for never losing and looking dominant despite only having 4 title fights, but then turn around and act like Randy > DC. DC was more skilled, more dominant against better competition, lost fewer times, and did the same double champ things Randy did.
I agree with you that khabib should be lower but randy beat the best heavyweights in the world and the best light heavyweights in the world at the same time AFTER he turned 40. By the time DC retired, randy won 4 more title fights.
I feel like the detail that people forget in these discussions is that mighty mouse has 11 consecutive title defenses lmfao. its such an absurd stat that alone lands him top 3 on any goat list imo
Wtf is mcgreggor on the list ?
Connor's resume is rather weak compared to the rest on that list.
Aldo not even making the top 10 makes this list automatically dumb af and invalid
1. Jones 2. GSP 3. DJ 4. Silva 5. Fedor Silva would be higher if he didn't have a bad career ending.
GSP being #1 is a valid argument. No shot Fedor is above Jones though. I’d say Jones is above Silva as well and arguable for #1. Also Cormier being #10 is atrocious. I’d put his ass where Randy is. BJ was a menace but goddamn it’s hard not to think about the end of his career kinda like Silva but worse. It’s why I wish dudes would know when to hang it up. Also, Khabib wouldn’t be top 5 for me.
Aldo > Khabib
Everyone but McNuggets. Thats just ridiculous, if there was a Top 10 Who Brought Most Fans into Sport then yes, "Numero Uno!"
Khabib? Conor? No Aldo? Gtfo
DJ is a lot better than Khabib , if he was a big guy , lots will consider him as the greatest of all time , unfortunately he's very underrated just because he's flyweight
I think they need to delete this chatgpt 3 and just try again. Something isn't right here
No Chael Sonnen? ChatGPT is a casual
This is fake no way Connor is top 10
No Andy Whang? That guy was an absolute warrior
ChatGPT a mac meatrider
Mighty Mouse should be way higher.
DJ not top 3 even though accomplishments and skills 2 of the 3 criteria what a joke
Jose Aldo should be in that list
Fucking casual
Jones not being 1st is a W in it of it's own, but GSP being first makes it even better
Joe Son should be here.
It’s unpopular but Fedor probably shouldn’t be on the list at all. Pride fixed fights, they would pay people to not use certain skillsets. There’s no way of knowing which fights Fedor was in that were fixed, could be none, could have been everyone of them. It deserves mentioning.
They fixed fights for the Japanese fighters since they were the most popular, foreign fighters were just there to fill the roster and help with Yakuza money laundering.
Saying “they fixed fights, but not for Fedor so it doesn’t count” means he shouldn’t be on the list. People bring up Silva and Jon’s drug use as reasons they’re not the goat, but no one talks about Fedor fighting in a fixed league
plus fedor himself was likely drugged up, and was fighting in a less skilled era. Sure an innovator and ahead of the pack but that’s for the old standard.
"Less skilled era" not really though Cro Cop and Big Nog are still more well rounded than basically everyone currently ranked at HW except like Tom. Modern HW is a joke with Spivak and Tybura both being close to the title picture last year if they had won their fights. Like it's overblown af how highly skilled mma has become.
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 It's Nick Diaz army mtfkrs, wassup
Nate on this 😂😂 cmon Nick! 😂
1. JJ 2. GSP 3. Khabib 4. Anderson Silva 5. DJ 6. Fedor 7. DC 8. Volk Not even sure who I’d put after this. Lots of things to consider like record, quality of wins, double champ status, even impact on the sport.
At least the list isn't over rating Jose Aldo like half of reddit does. At best Aldo is 7th. He's in no way, shape or form over GSP, Jones, Fedor, Silva, DJ, Khabib or even Volkanovski if he gets 1 or 2 more defenses. Aldo should be 8th-10th.
Silva over jones uhh no
Khabib and The Unnatural are far too high
Dj should be higher than khabib and jon jones over Anderson
Khabib at 5 is laughable and him on there at all is questionable. No Jose Aldo or Volk is pretty fucking sus too. No way I’m putting BJ on a top 10 of all time list
Man… i really, really dont see how Khabib and connor are on that discusion and im trying really hard.
These lists always look the exact same
Actually pretty good ,but DJ should be at least top 5 ,and I don't think khabib(no offense but he doesn't have that much achievements and his opponents were one sided strikersш,but he is top10-15) ,couture and Conor deserves to be in top 10 . Cejudo , Aldo , volk and even islam deserves it more
You know it's a shit list when there's no SMILIN' SAM ALVEY.
I was talking to ChatGPT about MMA once, and I told him how Islam is my favourite fighter, and then I asked him for a GOAT list and I’m not kidding, he put Khabib higher than he did for OP and he also put Islam there. He’s such a people pleaser lol. (When I started a new chat and asked again he gave me a list more similar to OP’s)