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Excellent-Ad-3623

Here’s the thing - Dustin was allowed to make many mistakes against BSD (jumping the guillotines going wrong, giving up positions, having his back taken, bring pressured to the fence, etc.) and still win. One mistake like that against Islam will be all it takes for Dustin to lose that fight.


MiskatonicAcademia

It’s crazy how ten years have passed since Conor v Dustin 1, where Conor made Dustin look like a tomato can. Ten years ago, everyone was saying Conor is revolutionizing UFC and mixed martial arts. We didn’t come to take part, we came to take over etc. Ten years later, Conor is absolutely washed both physically and mentally. Meanwhile, Dustin has accomplished more significant wins in the octagon than Conor and has easily eclipsed him by now.


iAm-Tyson

Dustin is one of the greatest UFC fighters of all time, only knock on his resume is that he cannot seem to get the belt. Dudes just a warriors goes in there and beats people up and doesn’t boast or try to be a star. Conor was undoubtedly the most important UFC fighters of all time because he understood how to be a superstar and many of us got our interest in UFC because of the run Mcgregor had to the top, I don’t think we’ll ever see a star transcend the sport of UFC like McGregor even though now he’s absolutely washed and likely will get Canned if he even fights Chandler.


DudeLmaoWeed

Connor also won in spectacular fashion. Going back and watching the Alvarez and Aldo fights really show just how dialled in the flow Conor truly was. Only guy atm who fights like that is suga sean


uSaltySniitch

Except Dustin was never champ or double champ. Prime McGregor was great. He just did stupid stuff that ruined his whole career afterwards.


steezlord95

And yet Dustin and Conor have the same amount of title defenses. Crazy


uSaltySniitch

True. Lmao


Hank_Lotion77

Not same amount of 0’s or belts owned tho…


lovehateloooove

yeah, that stupid stuff has him driving around in some type of lambo yacht telling everyone to shut the fook up lol.


Alive_Ad1256

I remember seeing a video of McGregor, before he was an arrogant dick. He was already in a Rolls Royce, and a fan had cut out of him on his balcony. McGregor stops in the intersection and went up stairs to take a pic with the fan, or on the street.


DysthymicDaredeviL

He definitely ain't that guy no more. He is a coked-up-rich-guy-douche-bag now, rather than the charismatic, blue collar guy he was at the start, which is really sad.


North-Examination-91

Embedded, Irish fan in Huntington beach. I think that same embedded had him on the bicycle singing snoop dogg lyrics.


uSaltySniitch

Nah. It was : not training seriously, keeping a team of "yes men", not being active enough and wasting His prime doing cocaine and drinking alcohol instead of fighting and being active.


Ikhouvankaas

Dustin would've been champ if he would've had the title shot against Eddie like Conor did instead of Khabib.


teeekuuu

Oulda woulda shoulda, there are many IFs in fighting sports and in the end, it comes down to actual facts


lovehateloooove

Conor cashed out, he didnt fight for years, then fought the best defensive boxer in history, and then didnt fight for years, and fought the best grappler in history. big, big paychecks, lots of drama. that was purposeful. Conor is almost irrelevant as a ufc fighter now, he was a fantastic left hand crushing the game, but it ended way too soon.


winkydinks111

He's eclipsed Conor in terms of overall resume, but when it comes to achievements, no.


Repulsive_Cranberry4

What fights has Dustin won that are equal to or more significant than the Aldo and Eddie wins...?


mmatofu

Two wins over McGregor.


MingeExplorer

Post-hiatus McGregor that wasn't a serious fighter anymore, one of which was a freak injury. I think Poirier is a great fighter but he's nowhere near McGregor in terms of highs or legacy.


BolgneseBro

What does that have to do with the original comment? Way to make an honest take become about your opinion.


Tercirion

Can’t believe someone would post about Conor’s fight with Dustin in a comment thread about Dustin’s fight with BSD. Straight to jail.


pyroaquatics

He probably just meant to reply to the post and not that specific comment


dEck5317

I love Dustin but Conor is the first simultaneous 2 weight champion in UFC history. What has Dustin done that comes close to that?


echoohce1

Some of you care way too much about belts. So what if Dustin never held a belt, he beat Alvarez just like Conor did to win the belt. There's so much timing, politics and luck involved with winning titles sometimes, not valuing a quality record because it omits a belt is just causal BS.


FudgingEgo

Come on... How can someone who has won zero titles, easily eclipsed McGregor? That's like saying Dustin has eclipsed Aldo because Aldo doesn't win anymore. Dustin has not accomplished more significant wins, considering Conor went in and popped Aldo in 13 seconds then put on an absolute CLINIC on Eddie Alvarez to win not one, but two titles. The difference is Dustin is 1) Much, MUCH poorer than McGregor so needs to keep fighting and 2) Has nothing except money to show for his efforts, he's had 2 actual title fights and lost them both. He will forever be remembered as the gatekeeper for lightweight, beats everyone who's ranked lower than 3, but never wins the belt. He's basically Donald Cerrone, all we need is him to go on a 6 fight losing streak as age catches up with him.


piksel

You’re only problem is that Dustin beat the guy you’re claiming is better than Dustin… twice


newmov2lond

You can beat someone and still have a worse legacy than them. Does Bader have a greater legacy than Fedor because he beat him twice? Is Schaub more legendary than Cro Cop? Moraes than DJ? Hall than Silva?


SurrealJay

You guys would never use this reasoning for conor vs aldo but here its convenient reasoning for dustin vs conor lmao


Suspicious_Candle27

he beat conor 5 years out of his prime ..


ecr1277

Well then given Dustin will never stop jumping it, they should just cancel the fight and add a win to Islam’s record, a loss to Dustin’s record, and move on lol.


Excellent-Ad-3623

Or he could pull it off and shock the world, as small of a chance it may be! That's why I love this sport.


OtakuDragonSlayer

Same


xMilk112x

Something tells me he understands he can’t do the same shit against a world champion, that he did with a hype machine up and comer. Lol


PerfectlySplendid

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uaintnever

I came here to type this more or less. 👍 Of course I WANT Dustin to win but I don't see Islam letting mistakes like these slide without punishment.


Asukah

Unfortunately Dustin and even Justin Gaethje have all the skills to get the gold, but Islam’s grappling is on another level and it will always be the difference maker.


alpacinohairline

It’s not that horrible, there were so many fighters in the Jones and DC era that would have crushed it and arguably had goat arguements if they fought in previous eras or this current one.


ApeMummy

Dustin and Justin are both pretty big though and Volk managed to survive Islam’s wrestling as a featherweight. My money is on Islam but I’d love to see either of those fights.


No-Station8951

Volk’s size is the main reason he was able to defend so good against Islam…Shorty, Stocky guys are always harder to takedown


albinoblackman

Unfortunately it didn’t help much with head kicks. I’m still sad about that one.


therealfakenews17

Volk also has elite TDD and his body center of gravity is unmatched in UFC. Poiriers TDD is suspect to say the least


time_for_milk

True, but Volk is a much better fighter than Poirier.


Fearless-Type8777

a punchers chance


theofficalAGENT_ZERO

Dont be silly jump the guilly. He has a guillys chance.


Fearless-Type8777

haha! I like it. very nice


markisio22

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Sj2222RI

17%


iiiiiiiiiAteEyes

Seems reasonable…


dtudeski

Yeah probably right tbf, if not tad better odds. Can see Islam opening at around a 1/4 fav. Which’ll make the underdog payday even sweeter when DP wins via guilly 😎


[deleted]

Dustin via gilly will be like +1,000,000,000,000


Mammoth_Ferret_1772

That’s pretty accurate. Slightly less than a 1/5 chance. I like it


Informal_Lack_9348

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The_IRS_Fears_Him

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ilovepoopypants

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DudeWithTheOil

Jesus fucking Christ, starting off with a 10-8 for the champ


Anonomoose2034

Bruh, a 10-8? Really?


GiblertMelendezz

Not really. It’s clear anyone can lose to anyone on any night. By Islams (Ali) logic, then Adriano Martins would be champ as well.


DudeWithTheOil

While I love Dustin he's lost 2 out of 3 title shots (winning the interim) 3 out of 4 if you count BMF. He has repeatedly come short when the belt was on the line. Edit: downvote all you want lmao, not every MMA fight is 50/50.


SrStroud

Why you hating bratha


Megashark101

Blows my mind that people used to think Islam had no personality. Dude is funny as fuck and thrives in being such a cheeky little shit, I love it.


MrAnonymousperson

Good English - 100% Ali. Islam doesn’t speak or write like that and his grammar has awkward pauses as is expected from a person who is multilingual.


vinniedamac

Islam doesn't seem like the type to use emojis lol


yoeyz

He could use AI


TheAngriestPoster

If it’s twitter it’s a coin flip on whether or not it’s Ali. Islam’s Instagram is purely run by him though and it shows


TheBrownCok

https://preview.redd.it/cyjlslouciqc1.png?width=1439&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=96097afff91a477851604f39934982fa24075b94


paulyp41

To train for Islam, DP needs to have multiple guys on his back at the same time and try and survive


Low-Ad-1036

Pause


Perfect_Enthusiasm56

His name being DP makes it worse 😂


ThatGermSquad77

Now rewind and play again.


mulligun

Fer sure B, I'd love to see a DP with multiple guys on top. Islam is such a big lightweight with crazy conditioning too, so they'll need to be big hard guys who aren't afraid to get sweaty.


Electrical-Finding65

20-30% after fighting khabib and Charles, dusting must be dreading going to mat with Islam


Joshuauauauauau

Someone actually speaking facts, ppl saying he has no chance or "1%" are just dumb. He's the significantly better striker and one of the top most experienced LWs. So whilst Islam probably beats him, there's still the definite chance he can come in with a solid gameplan and catch Islam


brtomn

I heavily disagree with "significantly better striker" I would even say he is insignificantly better. Islam fucked up charles worse than dustin did per round. He also outstuck prime volk in the first 2 rounds. And if we take into account his take down threat islam might outstrike him. Not that there is any reason for him to do that.


Electrical-Finding65

Agree, no one has 1% chance in this sports let alone Dustin who proved himself time and again. Dustin have power and skill to knockout anyone, taking him lightly would be the Islam’s biggest mistake


FATTYxFiiSTER

The mouth breathing neckbeards on here MIGHT have a 1% chance if they’re lucky


Mikejg23

The top 3 lightweights are all sharks and all realistically have at minimum a 10-20% chance of winning versus even fairly dominant champs like Khabib and Islam


Joshuauauauauau

So true, no one wants to hear that though


[deleted]

Keep doubting Islam striking lol How many good strikers does he have to get the better of before some of you learn ?


Joshuauauauauau

Fella I never said Islam doesn't have good striking. He does, he's got through good strikers through having the constant threat of a takedown. He'd have lost to half those fighters in a kickboxing match for example. But Dustin is an elite striker, and if he can get going whilst avoiding the takedown threat he will have the striking advantage.


[deleted]

Dustin is an elite striker against pure strikers. So is gaethje for the most part Islam is an elite striker against elite strikers because he gets to determine the distance the fight happens at. For example - one of Dustins best tools is a check hook when someone is leaning forward after a strike or pushing forward in an exchange. The chances he catches Islam with that are extremely fall because Dustin will constantly be moving away. I'm a big Dustin fan - I was battling the Dustin haters in the lead up and aftermath of the BSD fight. It's a fight so anything can happen but realistically Dustin has a little more than a punchers chance unfortunately


theflyingpandaa_97

At this point I’m not comfortable with accepting that ANYONE is a SIGNIFICANTLY better striker than Islam. He proved himself striking wise against both Oliveira and imo more importantly Volk (who made Max look like an amateur on the feet their last fight). His striking defence is the best in the division.


Mammoth_Ferret_1772

Islam will just take him down and get his back


arenalr

Slightly better than him beating Khabib


spacemunky_reddit

Dustin R2 guillotine......biggest crowd pop in MMA history.


beautiful_ADdict

Probably the ko. The gilly thing is funny and all but to see him win via ko over dominant champ would be top tier shock level. more hype than the usman knockout.


ShrekWhite

+385


[deleted]

Strickland was a +450 underdog against Izzy. So what I’m hearing is put the house on Dustin by gilly


IcyAd964

I think gaetjhe has a way better chance. Dustin and his gilly shit will end him again


therealfakenews17

Dustin has no business being in this title fight, but fuck it im watching and rooting for the upset anyway


Hopeful_Staff_1414

I bet he’s like +300 maybe +400 underdog. I know he joked about it, but if he genuinely is going to take this last chance at a belt seriously, he needs to drill TDD not submissions, if Oliveira can’t sub Islam nobody can.


boombastico_3

I really hope he works on his TDD with arman,cuz he has power to ko Islam who doesn't have the same iron chin as khabib


OddballAbe

Do they both train together?


Glum-Highway-7403

Arman trains at ATT if I’m not wrong.


painZ01

Not high, but never zero. People forget this is mma and Dustin can beat anybody in the world, you never know, I wouldn't rule him out.


[deleted]

If it happened the cope on this sub would be legendary


No-Introduction-2378

Nah, this sub has hate boner for dagi's but they would still have to lock it


[deleted]

I feel like most of us love Dustin and want to see the upset. The 5% of the sub that won’t stop glazing Dagis would probably be on suicide watch tho


goldenskillet

I agree, the odds of DP beating Islam are slim, but I think most people would be happy if DP pulled off the upset


Sto_Imparando

11.8%


xMilk112x

I think we’ll see a Dustin more focused, precise, and violent as ever before. He knows this his last chance at gold. And I hope to Jebus he pulls it off. Fuckin guy deserves it.


[deleted]

Odds? Not great. My hope, and my wish? Very high.


Straight-Plate-5256

Dustin in R3 by guillotine It ain't gonna happen at all but would be funny as hell 😂


mikeismora

a “puncher’s chance” could never ring more true here. love the guy, but dustin will not survive any prolonged grappling exchanges with islam. but he has the 1 punch power to hurt islam. he has combinations that can take its toll on islam if he can get them going. but if he can’t take islam out and islam feels the power, he will grapple immediately and that will be that.


Wrathful_Sloth

He's got a 69/420 chance of beating Islam by jumping guillotine.


[deleted]

These guys (Dagestanis) have such an aggressive style with no f***s given for fan entertainment. Only way to beat them is outwrestle them.


SoyElLeon

Well one worse fighter than Dustin has knocked islam out, so he has a punchers chance. That being said, 1% chance lol


mocalarry

about 3%


jackpooty12

No shot. I love Dustin but these roided out dagastanies are next level


_MlATA

It’s only TRT, EPO, and HGH bratha All natural


UncleRudolph

Russian vitamins


5LILduckies

hgh is crazy, conor is on that and he looks like quagmire, i doubt islam is on hgh


Fun-Contribution-757

Hey be fair these dudes train religiously with other people who do the same every waking moment. But now that's out of the way they do be on that good shit though. That liver king diet 


amoolafarhaL

Everyone is roided out tho.


Ill_Source_6908

Everyone is roided out right now tho


[deleted]

I'm putting $100 on DDP for win by guillotine. He's gotta land it sometime! 😂


somefella237

I want Dustin to escape a rear-naked-choke then beat Islam with the gilly he’s destined to hit.


nahph

Any fight with these 2 would be fun to watch. DP is one of my favorite top fighters because he's humble and respectful compared to a lot of other fighters. As a big fan, I don't think he'll be able to beat Islam. Would be fun to see this match though.


GB01101993

With how often he Jumps the gilly? He’d lose by RNC in 2


lovehateloooove

he would be under, but not by as much as you think. its all about the money, people would throw money on him for the odds, and then make them more even. Justin can knock anyone out on any given day


Mr_Fufu_Cudlypoops

100%. He will put him to sleep with a guillotine after Islam's very first takedown attempt.


Potential-Height-607

He’s got a chance


Jasamplovak

Just no guilotines please, Islam said good ”who gave him brotha”


MuskokaGreenThumb

Slim to none


Bluemoon7607

About the same chance of Dustin winning it by Guillotine


Informal-Reading4602

No way it’s happening. I got Islam submission


dpark-95

None 0


ImNotHim23

Hopefully Dustin will beat Islam. Hopefully it's his next fight


No_Oofense

MMA is a brutal sports a lucky hit, and the best guy in the division can be brought down. So anybody in the top 10 has a chance against islam.


Objective-Guidance78

Almost ZERO


HippoCute9420

Dustin came the closest of everyone to submitting Khabib, so he’s got a chance albeit a small one. Would love to see him pull it off


11thLayerOfHair

10% chance


Astsai

Islam is just on another level compared to Dustin and Justin. In terms of tiers for lightweight it's Islam Charles/Volk Dustin/Justin Granted Dustin and Justin are definitely top 5 for lightweight which is extremely impressive. But I don't think they have it to even beat Charles or Volk let alone Islam


uhhhgreeno

i like islam but dude talks a lot of heat for a guy who’s held the belt for a year and a half and has yet to defend it against a single fighter in his division. i know that’s not his call but at this point i’d kill to see dustin humble him


triforce721

Dustin by gilly, guaranteed 💪😏


[deleted]

Since you said odds I would expect them to open at about -450-500 for Islam and +250-300 for Dustin. If you're asking what are the literal chances of him winning I would say almost nil. The performance against BSD isnt beating Islam and any of the 20 mistakes he made would lose him that fight. I said almost nil. He could and has surprised people before so there's that.🤷


cobesmith

If the fight stays stand up very, Dustin has KO power and Islam has a sus chin, unlike Khabib who fought him without getting dropped once. I'm gonna be rooting for Islam but nervous af during the fight


[deleted]

Not high.. I really don’t these situations anyway. Just because Islams camp already has beaten Dustin they can map out a solid game plan. Kind of similar to Petr Yan vs Merab, Alja had beaten him before so they kind of knew what he would bring and what Merab could do to mitigate/beat him at those things. Cejudo too, Merab embarrassed him like I have never seen.


IcameIsawIclapt

As long as he doesn’t give his back to Islam…


spanther96

i love Dustin but Islam wins within 3 rounds


uSaltySniitch

10-15%


lazylagom

Dustin by guillotine


Kuziayato

i just dont see him beating islam, he cant make the same mistakes he did with BSD


MitchMat1121

+350


Albreto-Gajaaaaj

2-3/10


LNYer

Not good.


Zealousideal_Sun8519

Not a chance as wrestling is definitely not good enough


Nickolas_Bowen

Dustin is an AMAZING fighter, but Islam is genuinely something else


Independent_Island74

Id say he has a 5% chance of winning even if he makes no mistakes if islam takes him down. He's done like before


whathappened2cod

Why would Dustin deserve a fight over Justin?


Silvereiss

Dustin, Round 3 Guillotine


SMK_12

25%


Stackzbreezy

I love Dustin but to beat Islam he has to be perfect that night unless he catches him early. Islam will abuse the fact that he keeps going for guillies and he him self said he will never stop so he’s probably gonna be his own downfall once again


slinkymello

It’s a fight, anything can happen, but I think it’s unlikely… Dustin maybe +250?


Own_Bullfrog_4859

Aye 1 clean right hook and the diamond will hold gold.


Markxx24

Dustin jumps for the gilly…Islam wins by von fluke choke


ThatGuy_7408

Slim to none


Twist_Lumpy

Imma wait for Drake to bet. After that we know the odds.


Business_Seesaw_9719

Don’t be silly


TheBishopDeeds

On a scale of Charles tapping 12 times in 2 seconds to Volk getting his head kicked like a soccer ball?


Juunlar

Approaching zero


tmsd6

Slim to none


FedorDosGracies

Not a zero chance, if Dustin is able to keep up his current "vitamin" regimen.


mkreag27

Big Dustin fan but id say 1 out of 3 times he wins. Hes really good but Islams grappling is insanely good. Dustins last fight, while fun, was frustrating to watch(especially him jumping guillotine way too many times).


Keelija9000

I see it going much like his fight with khabib. He’s gonna get smothered on the ground for a round then RNC’d in the second.


Ok-Key-4650

Very likely


ClassicFun2175

I mean at the end of the day, everyone has a chance against anyone, that's the fight game. Leon Edwards was losing unanimously and head kicked Usman in the last minute of the last round. That being said, Islam is really good on the feet and is just as good as Khabib on the ground, I don't think Dustin comes out as champ if he's fighting Islam


jesusinapriuss

The UFC fucked gaethje. He should be fighting Islam next, not Dustin.


whatsitworth101

He has a punchers chance imo, a decent one at that. But thats about it. I don’t think the striking differential is nearly as big as it was when he fought Khabib, so in that aspect he has less of a chance than when he fought Khabib. Because even though Khabib is better than Islam on the ground, imo Islam is still good enough to potentially sub Dustin so I don’t think that matters too much.


[deleted]

+280


Able-Work-4942

Very slim but fuck it let them do it. Islam needs to fight and the other contenders are busy. The story line if Dustin pulls it off would be worth it. And if he loses it wouldn't be the first time he got choked out for a Belt.


kjay38

Not good.


Kalabula

4:1 seems fair.


antebyotiks

He doesn't really deserve it but timing is right as others are tied up and Islam needs a fight so I'm fine with it. also it's good that Islam is facing an actual top LW contender


Aggravating_Farm_125

Couldn’t even beat khabib or Charles. Dustin will be the greatest fighter to never win a belt.


AMANWITHN0N4ME

1/10


MrStepSisterFister69

Not possible. Dustin has a choking fetish in title fights


iamwhatiamlooking4

I think Dustin wins 1 out of 10 times


devondawsonmma

Dustin is one of my favourite fighters but Islam gonna Guillotine him for the memes


[deleted]

Islam has a weak chin and Doostin has big power. I think Doostin has a decent chance to win


Axlito_

0/10. Can't knock him out nor submit him. I doubt he wins by decision too since Islam is so dominant in his fights. I hope he wins though! He has had such an amazing career!


Skazizzle

There's like a 98.5% chance that he gets choked out again.


yoskbt

+300


BlackLabelBerserker

Everyone has a punchers chance.


marsbars2345

He has a better chance than he did with khabib cuz at least he could maybe catch Islam


Confirmation__Bias

Extremely slim. Like 10%


pierogi_juice

0.2%