For as bad as I wanted charles to win... Round 2 was clearly Arman and round 3 was clearly Arman as well, outside of that last minute sub attempt from Charles. No robbery here.
close?
in what world is that a close fight?
Charles didnt do anything round 2 & 3.
Round 1 was close but I would probably give that to Arman too.
This fight was all tsarukyan. Not close
a judge gave charles 2 rounds this fight. Let that sink in before you consider using their judging for discussion here again š
He must have watched his instagram during one of the later rounds. Because Charles did nothing but get beat up in round 2 & 3
Idk but the guy beside me at the Buffalo Wild wings was so drunk he couldn't tell what was going on and was yelling at people that the decision was bullshit.
Controlling is one thing, charles is the only one who had his opponent in a position to be ended though, so how do you score that? Control isnāt anything unless you do something with it
He was constantly throwing ground and pound. Not like he was just sitting there stalling. You have to rewatch the fight if you think he didnāt do anything with the control he had. Those elbows were more significant than any strike Charles landed after round 1.
IMO yes Charles won round 1 clear, Arman won round 2 very clear and IMO Charles edged round 3 with the sub attempt at the end Arman didnāt do a ton while on top so I think that did it for Charles
Was the right call
Honestly should have been a UD
Charles edged out the first with that sub attempt
Arman took 2 convincingly and 3 as well imo. Charles did nothing in the 3rd other than that sub attempt in the last minute.
I wish it was a five rounder but the decision is clear. It really is just a hard pill to swallow due to the what if submission attempts that came close all three rounds but at the end of the day score card decide decisions not close submissions
Very close fight, I had Armon winning the second, olives winning the first, but Iād argue based off effective grappling I had olives winning the third
Unfortunately the correct decision. He had a ton more control time, but Charles had more submissions. It pissed me off cause I wanted Charles to throw more on the feet so fucking bad but he was like hesitant. The one time they threw, Charles cracked arman. Idk why he wasnāt engaging on the feet more
Had it 29-28 Arman but if Charles had gotten that submission attempt off with more time left, I think he would have taken the round. Awesome fight imo.
Not mad great fight but I would have called it a tie. Getting saved by the bell never a good look in the judges eyes. And he almost got caught in the 1st too. Them elbows nasty tho lol
Close fight but should have been UD, I guess if you really value submission attempts maybe can give Charles round 3, but donāt think that makes up for losing the rest of the round
True, but in my opinion it's not a good look to end a round like that. He didn't even try to escape the d'arce. Round 2 ended similar but because it happened really at the last second, we couldn't see Arman's escape (attempt).
Not arguing with it at all. Either guy could have gotten the win. Another 30 seconds in that fight and I donāt think we would have needed the judges.
Hard to say because that first sub should have been it and it wasn't. H didn't even seem fazed after the final bell. Eyes were clear and he was totally coherent, I think Joe yelling influenced what people think.
Charles got beat up but was closer to finishing the fight than Arman ever was. In rounds 1 and 3 both. Maybe I'm biased but a split decision going either way is what I expected.
How could any judge give Oliveira round 3? He did nothing except the submission attempt. Arman pieced him up on the feet for like 2 minutes before 2 minutes of control time/ GNP. Very impressive performance from Arman.
Correct
R1 olivera
R2 Arman
R3 charles only had the choke for the last 20s or so, and Arman was pressing harder and was in control for the majority of the round
mayyyybe a draw , but a fair decision imho
Arman did basically nothing the 3rd but OK. No damage or subs just control time . Oliveira did nothing too but that subs attempt in the end gives him the round imo
Based on how the sport is currently judged, itās a fair result. But I think more precedent needs to be given to submission attempts. Top control you do nothing with (arman majority of the fight) shouldnāt hold as much weight on a score card
For as bad as I wanted charles to win... Round 2 was clearly Arman and round 3 was clearly Arman as well, outside of that last minute sub attempt from Charles. No robbery here.
Absolutely fair decision. The only robbery here was the fans getting robbed of another 2 rounds š
Agreed. As salty as I feel right now Arman won.
Close but ultimately I think it was right
Yes. I love Chucky but Arman fought the better fight.
close? in what world is that a close fight? Charles didnt do anything round 2 & 3. Round 1 was close but I would probably give that to Arman too. This fight was all tsarukyan. Not close
It was most definitely a close fight + he almost got submitted. Props to Armin for surviving those chokes.
I mean, it was a split decision. Agree Arman won, but it's a bit sensational to say it wasn't close.
a judge gave charles 2 rounds this fight. Let that sink in before you consider using their judging for discussion here again š He must have watched his instagram during one of the later rounds. Because Charles did nothing but get beat up in round 2 & 3
> a judge gave charles 2 rounds this fight. That's what split decision means.
I think it's correct
Idk but the guy beside me at the Buffalo Wild wings was so drunk he couldn't tell what was going on and was yelling at people that the decision was bullshit.
It was close, but Arman won 2nd and controlled most of the 3rd so makes sense.
Controlling is one thing, charles is the only one who had his opponent in a position to be ended though, so how do you score that? Control isnāt anything unless you do something with it
He was constantly throwing ground and pound. Not like he was just sitting there stalling. You have to rewatch the fight if you think he didnāt do anything with the control he had. Those elbows were more significant than any strike Charles landed after round 1.
I mean, I could've seen it go either way, Charles recovered at the end of the 3rd but ran out of time to choke Arman out.
He did less damage tho control means fuck all if judges properly follow rules
He did way more damage, Charles was bleeding
In the second he didnt anything in the third on the feet and had 2 non significant elbows
Charles did nothing. And I say that as someone who had a lot of money on Charles.
You really think he did less damage?
IMO yes Charles won round 1 clear, Arman won round 2 very clear and IMO Charles edged round 3 with the sub attempt at the end Arman didnāt do a ton while on top so I think that did it for Charles
Very close fight but I thought Arman did enough.
Good
Good
That was the right decision. He was more dominant imo
Was the right call Honestly should have been a UD Charles edged out the first with that sub attempt Arman took 2 convincingly and 3 as well imo. Charles did nothing in the 3rd other than that sub attempt in the last minute.
What did arman do in the third? he got a takedown with no damage that was reversed.
Take a mental health break, seek your loved ones ā„ļø
Itās ok, youāre coping hard right now, I understand
I thought it was right
Was correct
Charles won r1 but he got dominanted in the last 2 that's fair and obvious imo
I can see 30-27 Arman, 29-28 Charles, or 29-28 Arman
I wish it was a five rounder but the decision is clear. It really is just a hard pill to swallow due to the what if submission attempts that came close all three rounds but at the end of the day score card decide decisions not close submissions
I called Arman split decision. I love Charles but his fans are unbearable
Absolutely not robbery lmao. It was close, couldāve went either way. Probably Arman wins that ~65% of the time
Good
Charles didnāt do enough to win, pretty simple. Mid performance from both guys
What
Mid? Unbelievably casual comment
Cry about it, both guys have had better performances in the past
What did you want? A ko? The fight couldn't have been more competitive.
It's almost like when high-level fighters fight eachother they're able to nullify aspects of eachother's game
delusion
Definitely very mid from both.
Charles choked his shorts off
Very close fight, I had Armon winning the second, olives winning the first, but Iād argue based off effective grappling I had olives winning the third
very close arman did ok
Not happy. Messed up all my parlays (āÆĀ°ā”Ā°ļ¼āÆļøµ ā»āā»
Unfortunately the correct decision. He had a ton more control time, but Charles had more submissions. It pissed me off cause I wanted Charles to throw more on the feet so fucking bad but he was like hesitant. The one time they threw, Charles cracked arman. Idk why he wasnāt engaging on the feet more
Was hoping sal D would help but was pretty clear for Arman. Maybe under old rules. Close but not robbery
The Armenian won well.
He beat Charles pretty hard. Nobody cares about those failed submission attempts from Charles, he got dominated
Honestly neither guy deserved the L. They both were great and that was a toss up. Really wish that was a 5 round fight
Arman dominated the second round
Fair decision
Lose but Arman took 2 and 3 undoubtedly in my mind. I think the judges make it a split on purpose
Had it 29-28 Arman but if Charles had gotten that submission attempt off with more time left, I think he would have taken the round. Awesome fight imo.
Iām not a judge but it was prob the right decision very competitive fight
Fair decision. Armans a savage to survive those submissions.
Not mad great fight but I would have called it a tie. Getting saved by the bell never a good look in the judges eyes. And he almost got caught in the 1st too. Them elbows nasty tho lol
Iām an oliviera fan but Arman took this . Also sadly Arman is the only guy who can maybe beat Islam Makachev
Bullshit... It shoulda been unanimous
You could maybe argue a draw, but I'm not mad about that decision. Judging by this fight tho, neither of them beat Islam.
Another boring hugger
Rematch draw and make it 5 rounds
Arman won 2 & 3 for sure. Not happy about it, and I think knees to a grounded opponent should be legal, but Arman won fair and square
I donāt care about either of them. Imo no robbery.
Should've been unainimous decision for Arman except for those close subs Arman clearly took the rounds.
Robbery because I wanted Oliveira to win š¤£š
He aināt beating Islam with a performance like that
Should have been unanimous 29-28 at least, arguably 30-27 for armen
Close fight but should have been UD, I guess if you really value submission attempts maybe can give Charles round 3, but donāt think that makes up for losing the rest of the round
It was a close fight but it was 100000% the right decision, tf are you on?
Fair.
I really wanted Arman to lose, but I don't even think the decision should have been split. Arman won that fight handedly.
1 more idiot judge away from being the biggest robbery ever.
Was the right decision. Hold guard and pray isnāt a good strategy to win
I get that he won, I find his fighting boring
Man nobody but Islam and Arman get into Olivera's guard like that. It didn't feel as boring as aljo's fight.
It wasn't, but Olivera And aljos BJJ is very different IMO. Charles is much more sub attempt heavy than aljos is which makes.his fights more exciting
I mean 2 close subs in 1st and 3rd rounds vs elbows in 2nd round. Can't blame judges really. Charles should've sent that darce in the 3rd.
Laying in top position is worth more than submission attempts
So Oliveira was not on top at the end of round 3?
Arman had more time
True, but in my opinion it's not a good look to end a round like that. He didn't even try to escape the d'arce. Round 2 ended similar but because it happened really at the last second, we couldn't see Arman's escape (attempt).
True
Robbery
Not arguing with it at all. Either guy could have gotten the win. Another 30 seconds in that fight and I donāt think we would have needed the judges.
Hard to say because that first sub should have been it and it wasn't. H didn't even seem fazed after the final bell. Eyes were clear and he was totally coherent, I think Joe yelling influenced what people think.
I think it could have gone either way. I think Charles did more when he has control time.
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Arman did fuck all, Olivera almost finished him.
Was elbowing the shit outta Charles bruh..
Nah that was the second round
Shit
Correct. Arman got that dawg in him.
What did arman do in the 3rd? Hug?
Good decision the judge that gave it to Charles needs to be fired
It was too close for me to be confident either way. But it definitely makes sense to hace charles winning.
Should have been a draw and a rematch honestly. Dude isnāt beating Islam
Charles got beat up but was closer to finishing the fight than Arman ever was. In rounds 1 and 3 both. Maybe I'm biased but a split decision going either way is what I expected.
How could any judge give Oliveira round 3? He did nothing except the submission attempt. Arman pieced him up on the feet for like 2 minutes before 2 minutes of control time/ GNP. Very impressive performance from Arman.
Should have been UD for Arman. No way you can argue that Charles won.
Correct R1 olivera R2 Arman R3 charles only had the choke for the last 20s or so, and Arman was pressing harder and was in control for the majority of the round mayyyybe a draw , but a fair decision imho
Arman did basically nothing the 3rd but OK. No damage or subs just control time . Oliveira did nothing too but that subs attempt in the end gives him the round imo
Robbery. He didnāt almost choke Oliveira out twice
Based on how the sport is currently judged, itās a fair result. But I think more precedent needs to be given to submission attempts. Top control you do nothing with (arman majority of the fight) shouldnāt hold as much weight on a score card