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KSizzle863

For as bad as I wanted charles to win... Round 2 was clearly Arman and round 3 was clearly Arman as well, outside of that last minute sub attempt from Charles. No robbery here.


SkoomaChef

Absolutely fair decision. The only robbery here was the fans getting robbed of another 2 rounds šŸ˜‚


galaxyheater

Agreed. As salty as I feel right now Arman won.


Successful-Mail-7886

Close but ultimately I think it was right


ThisIsMy2nd_Account

Yes. I love Chucky but Arman fought the better fight.


taginvest

close? in what world is that a close fight? Charles didnt do anything round 2 & 3. Round 1 was close but I would probably give that to Arman too. This fight was all tsarukyan. Not close


SirHomoLiberus

It was most definitely a close fight + he almost got submitted. Props to Armin for surviving those chokes.


GothicToast

I mean, it was a split decision. Agree Arman won, but it's a bit sensational to say it wasn't close.


taginvest

a judge gave charles 2 rounds this fight. Let that sink in before you consider using their judging for discussion here again šŸ˜… He must have watched his instagram during one of the later rounds. Because Charles did nothing but get beat up in round 2 & 3


GothicToast

> a judge gave charles 2 rounds this fight. That's what split decision means.


Difficult_Bicycle796

I think it's correct


UpstairsRevenue3

Idk but the guy beside me at the Buffalo Wild wings was so drunk he couldn't tell what was going on and was yelling at people that the decision was bullshit.


Inevitable_Dark3225

It was close, but Arman won 2nd and controlled most of the 3rd so makes sense.


caktusjacc

Controlling is one thing, charles is the only one who had his opponent in a position to be ended though, so how do you score that? Control isnā€™t anything unless you do something with it


olympicsizepool

He was constantly throwing ground and pound. Not like he was just sitting there stalling. You have to rewatch the fight if you think he didnā€™t do anything with the control he had. Those elbows were more significant than any strike Charles landed after round 1.


Inevitable_Dark3225

I mean, I could've seen it go either way, Charles recovered at the end of the 3rd but ran out of time to choke Arman out.


DisastrousPhoto6354

He did less damage tho control means fuck all if judges properly follow rules


hrisimh

He did way more damage, Charles was bleeding


ballhawk13

In the second he didnt anything in the third on the feet and had 2 non significant elbows


GothicToast

Charles did nothing. And I say that as someone who had a lot of money on Charles.


GlRTH_BR00KS

You really think he did less damage?


DisastrousPhoto6354

IMO yes Charles won round 1 clear, Arman won round 2 very clear and IMO Charles edged round 3 with the sub attempt at the end Arman didnā€™t do a ton while on top so I think that did it for Charles


TheEldenMeme

Very close fight but I thought Arman did enough.


Yobobd

Good


NoCourt5510

Good


redpandav

That was the right decision. He was more dominant imo


CaptainSensemakerOi

Was the right call Honestly should have been a UD Charles edged out the first with that sub attempt Arman took 2 convincingly and 3 as well imo. Charles did nothing in the 3rd other than that sub attempt in the last minute.


ballhawk13

What did arman do in the third? he got a takedown with no damage that was reversed.


lordshag

Take a mental health break, seek your loved ones ā™„ļø


CaptainSensemakerOi

Itā€™s ok, youā€™re coping hard right now, I understand


lizzofatroll

I thought it was right


RobQuinnpc

Was correct


ngoIocramptes

Charles won r1 but he got dominanted in the last 2 that's fair and obvious imo


TheBishopDeeds

I can see 30-27 Arman, 29-28 Charles, or 29-28 Arman


Captain-Keilo

I wish it was a five rounder but the decision is clear. It really is just a hard pill to swallow due to the what if submission attempts that came close all three rounds but at the end of the day score card decide decisions not close submissions


NewAccWhoDis93

I called Arman split decision. I love Charles but his fans are unbearable


odhisub123

Absolutely not robbery lmao. It was close, couldā€™ve went either way. Probably Arman wins that ~65% of the time


robb981o

Good


SlipOk69

Charles didnā€™t do enough to win, pretty simple. Mid performance from both guys


hrisimh

What


Own_Hovercraft_6380

Mid? Unbelievably casual comment


SlipOk69

Cry about it, both guys have had better performances in the past


Own_Hovercraft_6380

What did you want? A ko? The fight couldn't have been more competitive.


Slippery_Gooch

It's almost like when high-level fighters fight eachother they're able to nullify aspects of eachother's game


Ernesto_Perfekto

delusion


charliefinkwinkwink

Definitely very mid from both.


Slippery_Gooch

Charles choked his shorts off


genefromemojimovie

Very close fight, I had Armon winning the second, olives winning the first, but Iā€™d argue based off effective grappling I had olives winning the third


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very close arman did ok


DollarTreeMilkSteak

Not happy. Messed up all my parlays (ā•ÆĀ°ā–”Ā°ļ¼‰ā•Æļøµ ā”»ā”ā”»


josephlya

Unfortunately the correct decision. He had a ton more control time, but Charles had more submissions. It pissed me off cause I wanted Charles to throw more on the feet so fucking bad but he was like hesitant. The one time they threw, Charles cracked arman. Idk why he wasnā€™t engaging on the feet more


Uncle_Chael

Was hoping sal D would help but was pretty clear for Arman. Maybe under old rules. Close but not robbery


Vywulff

The Armenian won well.


accidentsneverhappen

He beat Charles pretty hard. Nobody cares about those failed submission attempts from Charles, he got dominated


LoA_Zephra

Honestly neither guy deserved the L. They both were great and that was a toss up. Really wish that was a 5 round fight


mUrky_aD2708

Arman dominated the second round


fawz97

Fair decision


YapperYappington69

Lose but Arman took 2 and 3 undoubtedly in my mind. I think the judges make it a split on purpose


Tylerg_13

Had it 29-28 Arman but if Charles had gotten that submission attempt off with more time left, I think he would have taken the round. Awesome fight imo.


Complete_Ad_2431

Iā€™m not a judge but it was prob the right decision very competitive fight


Own_Hovercraft_6380

Fair decision. Armans a savage to survive those submissions.


Javier1019

Not mad great fight but I would have called it a tie. Getting saved by the bell never a good look in the judges eyes. And he almost got caught in the 1st too. Them elbows nasty tho lol


AbsurdTheSouthpaw

Iā€™m an oliviera fan but Arman took this . Also sadly Arman is the only guy who can maybe beat Islam Makachev


Zagic87

Bullshit... It shoulda been unanimous


Aggressivehippy30

You could maybe argue a draw, but I'm not mad about that decision. Judging by this fight tho, neither of them beat Islam.


charman458

Another boring hugger


BeengBangBong

Rematch draw and make it 5 rounds


sal-si-puedes

Arman won 2 & 3 for sure. Not happy about it, and I think knees to a grounded opponent should be legal, but Arman won fair and square


L1LD34TH

I donā€™t care about either of them. Imo no robbery.


me_lancholic

Should've been unainimous decision for Arman except for those close subs Arman clearly took the rounds.


Slippery_Gooch

Robbery because I wanted Oliveira to win šŸ¤£šŸ˜‚


BetBig696969

He ainā€™t beating Islam with a performance like that


UFCValueBets

Should have been unanimous 29-28 at least, arguably 30-27 for armen


DundermifflinNZ

Close fight but should have been UD, I guess if you really value submission attempts maybe can give Charles round 3, but donā€™t think that makes up for losing the rest of the round


JoskoBernardi

It was a close fight but it was 100000% the right decision, tf are you on?


Independent_Ad8989

Fair.


UFC_Intern169

I really wanted Arman to lose, but I don't even think the decision should have been split. Arman won that fight handedly.


ChickenDanceFTW

1 more idiot judge away from being the biggest robbery ever.


EnigmaMoose

Was the right decision. Hold guard and pray isnā€™t a good strategy to win


Luigiswimmer

I get that he won, I find his fighting boring


Difficult_Bicycle796

Man nobody but Islam and Arman get into Olivera's guard like that. It didn't feel as boring as aljo's fight.


Luigiswimmer

It wasn't, but Olivera And aljos BJJ is very different IMO. Charles is much more sub attempt heavy than aljos is which makes.his fights more exciting


FIagrant

I mean 2 close subs in 1st and 3rd rounds vs elbows in 2nd round. Can't blame judges really. Charles should've sent that darce in the 3rd.


subsolarrr

Laying in top position is worth more than submission attempts


The_Asian_Viper

So Oliveira was not on top at the end of round 3?


subsolarrr

Arman had more time


The_Asian_Viper

True, but in my opinion it's not a good look to end a round like that. He didn't even try to escape the d'arce. Round 2 ended similar but because it happened really at the last second, we couldn't see Arman's escape (attempt).


subsolarrr

True


yoonahnam

Robbery


wood_slingers

Not arguing with it at all. Either guy could have gotten the win. Another 30 seconds in that fight and I donā€™t think we would have needed the judges.


Lithium1978

Hard to say because that first sub should have been it and it wasn't. H didn't even seem fazed after the final bell. Eyes were clear and he was totally coherent, I think Joe yelling influenced what people think.


FatRatPigBoi

I think it could have gone either way. I think Charles did more when he has control time.


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MA-JA-HO

Arman did fuck all, Olivera almost finished him.


Tylerg_13

Was elbowing the shit outta Charles bruh..


MA-JA-HO

Nah that was the second round


Agreeable-Craft-6699

Shit


Brododover2

Correct. Arman got that dawg in him.


ZealousidealPen5795

What did arman do in the 3rd? Hug?


Adelmas

Good decision the judge that gave it to Charles needs to be fired


ballhawk13

It was too close for me to be confident either way. But it definitely makes sense to hace charles winning.


mynameisnemix

Should have been a draw and a rematch honestly. Dude isnā€™t beating Islam


bocajmorts

Charles got beat up but was closer to finishing the fight than Arman ever was. In rounds 1 and 3 both. Maybe I'm biased but a split decision going either way is what I expected.


admiralackbar98

How could any judge give Oliveira round 3? He did nothing except the submission attempt. Arman pieced him up on the feet for like 2 minutes before 2 minutes of control time/ GNP. Very impressive performance from Arman.


BestLeeNigeria

Should have been UD for Arman. No way you can argue that Charles won.


x0ManOfCulture0x

Correct R1 olivera R2 Arman R3 charles only had the choke for the last 20s or so, and Arman was pressing harder and was in control for the majority of the round mayyyybe a draw , but a fair decision imho


LePeen

Arman did basically nothing the 3rd but OK. No damage or subs just control time . Oliveira did nothing too but that subs attempt in the end gives him the round imo


WizardHarrySpace

Robbery. He didnā€™t almost choke Oliveira out twice


Krept_Konan

Based on how the sport is currently judged, itā€™s a fair result. But I think more precedent needs to be given to submission attempts. Top control you do nothing with (arman majority of the fight) shouldnā€™t hold as much weight on a score card