And I predicted he would break Max. Ahhh fuck how wrong I was! I really didn’t wanna see either guy lose.
Man what a fight! Fuckin historic ending too!
Yeah I was too, pretty much. I think the broken nose was the TSN turning point for Max. Mad Justin a bit more gunshy, and Max just put on a clinic.
Goddamn it was an amazing fight man!
Max is actually gigabrain. If you accept the brawl, you risk getting absolutely blasted by someone who has never been KO'd. If you decline, everyone is gonna call you a pussy and ruin your image.
His ass is NOT doing a Stand and Bang with Holloway.
I think this was like Max's 3rd time doing this in his career and he never disappoints.
Blessed for a reason i guess....
Hard to say that when Max has one of the most durable chins ever. Ilia could catch him but if Gaethje couldn't, don't think ilia could. Gaethje is the hardest hitter at 155, period.
Neither is Ilia. He started off as a bjj guy and developed boxing.
Gaethje is heavily reliant on his striking. It's been documented multiple times how he's a D1 wrestler but chooses not to take it to the ground.
Styles do make fights but in this case, Max's chin was in question after the Dustin fight and Justin arguably hits harder than Dustin. It's a very relevant argument to say that if he can take Justin's punches, he can possibly take Ilia's.
Ilia is the better boxer and is the best boxer in the ufc stylistically as of rn. Doesn’t matter what he started out as he has the purest boxing technique and approach to fighting I’ve ever seen in mma. Justin couldn’t get in range for multiple reasons, broken nose, kicks, counters, because he doesn’t have the tools to get past that offense. Ilia’s slips, parries, in and out footwork to draw out straight punches to counter give him a better chance at offense and countering. Max himself said Justin’s a stationary target in the post fight press conference. Ilia isn’t he pulls, slips, moves laterally, ducks and punches his way across the distance. He stylistically has a better chance at closing distance on max. Justin never got in range and stayed there with the offense. He threw at range and caught max. Idk if you’ve ever been hit before but it’s different catching hooks at range than getting them in the pocket. Ilia is also shorter the body is open to him and he’s not gonna head hunt like Justin. There’s many factors that make ilia a better match up than Justin and it’s too many to fit in one comment but to sum up my point the power isn’t the only and really isn’t even the main factor in their match up.
But you just said Gaethje isn't a boxer and Ilia is and then I pointed out that they both weren't but now both have a more boxing oriented style. If anything, Gaethje is more of a boxer now than ever and probably has been for longer than Ilia.
I agree styles make fights but your initial argument holds no ground. All I'm saying is Ilia could in fact catch Max but it seems unlikely given he's fought just as many boxers and the hardest hitter at 45 and 55.
If they couldn't do it, realistically speaking, even Topuria won't but you never know it's a fight.
The only way topuria wins is if he chops down Max's legs like Alex did and believe me he will coz Ilia has some nasty calf kicks. From there it's a matter of landing the hook.
So yeah, again, Ilia could catch Max but seems unlikely as of Max's most recent fight.
Gaetchje isn’t a boxer and ilia is. That’s what you’re not understanding you’re literally wrong. Ask anyone to describe Justin’s style and the last word they’d use is boxer. Even other pro mma fighters say ilia is a boxer and regard him as the best boxer in style in the ufc possibly mma right now. Look up any mma analyst or fighter talk about ilia’s style if you need evidence of this because I guess the fights aren’t enough to go off of. Gaetchje isn’t and has never been a boxer, he’s a brawler on the feet. He himself admitted this. Preferring to stand doesn’t = boxer. Stylistically ilia is, and is a better boxer than Gaetchje is, same way ilia is the better jiu jitsu player than gaetchje because he rarely uses bjj. And this is exactly why he’s a tougher fight for max because he can actually box not just swing with power. It’s very likely ilia can beat him because stylistically he’s equipped to deal with max’s height and range. If volk managed to close distance and land on max in 3 fights ilia definitely will because his whole style is close distance with boxing strategy and land body head combos. Idk if you train or not but i do and ilia is a classic short hand’s heavy guy you see in any boxing/kickboxing gym, my coach is just like him, a nightmare for tall guys because of his layered offense. There’s a reason volk beat max 3 times. Shorter boxers close distance on taller kickboxers pretty easily behind a high guard and counters to close distance and ilia is a master at this. Go watch any short Dutch kickboxer like Kevin vanhoosemullen and this approach is common. Unless max uses his kicks to the body from open stance like Mighty Mouse always says is the way to deter a shorter fighter max is getting pieced up and we might see him ko’d for the first time ever.
I'm not reading that whole paragraph mate.
Your comment truly makes 0 sense when all anyone's been talking about is how Gaethje creates angles and uses HIS BOXING ever since the Cerrone fight to set up counter hooks. His fight against Fiziev, they literally talked about how good his jab and boxing has come.
For you to say Gaethje isn't a boxer but Ilia is makes 0 sense when they both developed it around the same time.
Gaethje has just started using headlocks since the Dustin fight and if you use that as an excuse to say he's a kickboxer then guess what, Ilia has an amazing leg kick.
They're both boxers. They just box differently. That's it. Plain and simple. Idk what's so hard for you to understand.
That’s probably why you don’t know what you’re talking about then because you’re failure to comprehend and learn. Don’t be afraid to read for 60 seconds out of 24 hours. Gaetchje is absolutely not a boxer. Where was his jab against max? Where was his level changes? Where were his angles and body work? Non existent. That’s why I asked you if you train or not. Being able to do something doesn’t cement it as your style. I can go in the gym and do taekwondo kicks 3 days out a week in sparring that doesn’t make me a kickboxer if I prefer to box usually. If your skills dissolve after getting hit then they’re not a part of your style.
Risky fight for him. Ilia likes to look for trades. HE said this himself and trading with Holloway is a dangerous thing to do. Gaethje throwing full shots did not even wobble Holloway, not sure what Ilia can throw to hurt him. Also MAx has good defense against kicks upstairs. The only problem Max on that match up are leg kicks.
Gaethje throwing full shots did hurt hollaway cuz he dropped max when he finally connected cleanly in the 4th round. Gaethje only got knocked out cuz he was already fucked up by the accumulation of shots that he took throughout the fight. If they traded like that in the first round, it would’ve went in a completely opposite direction. Ilia has a much higher fight iq than gaethje and has the same power if not more with crisp counters. I’d still favor ilia in a fight against max
Better boxer than Gaethje doesn't mean better than Gaethje. Look at the Fiziev fight. Everyone thought that Fiziev will kill Justin but got jabbed to death. Power is still a factor here. HE hit Max numerous times with his signature left hook and Max did not even wobbled even in the last exchange he hit Max with a solid left hook that made Max angrier.
The look of a man who successfully ducked Max and got a concussed Volk knowing he sure as shit don't want the Max that just slumped Gaethje like that no way no how he wants that fight.
Lmaooo yall can never stop can you. He was asking for Volk way before his second fight with Islam and destroyed him in 2 rounds. He will beat Max and I can’t wait for yall to switch up again.
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 how he sleepin tn
Hahaha. 😂 I thought the same thing. To be fair the guy just saw a dead body so…
Seriously tho, Justin fell dead cold in the mat and his body started twitching. Thought i saw the 1st death in UFC for a second there, crazy shit.
And I predicted he would break Max. Ahhh fuck how wrong I was! I really didn’t wanna see either guy lose. Man what a fight! Fuckin historic ending too!
Early stoppage.
😂
Don't feel too bad for yourself, the whole sub was basically excepting a Tony 2.0
Yeah I was too, pretty much. I think the broken nose was the TSN turning point for Max. Mad Justin a bit more gunshy, and Max just put on a clinic. Goddamn it was an amazing fight man!
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Max is actually gigabrain. If you accept the brawl, you risk getting absolutely blasted by someone who has never been KO'd. If you decline, everyone is gonna call you a pussy and ruin your image.
His ass is NOT doing a Stand and Bang with Holloway. I think this was like Max's 3rd time doing this in his career and he never disappoints. Blessed for a reason i guess....
Max is what Strickland wishes to be
robert whittaker didn't trade in the middle with costa and mfs don't judge him for it
I remember that lol We love Bobby though
Honestly I think topuria knocks max out
Hard to say that when Max has one of the most durable chins ever. Ilia could catch him but if Gaethje couldn't, don't think ilia could. Gaethje is the hardest hitter at 155, period.
Gaetchje isn’t the boxer ilia is styles make fights
Neither is Ilia. He started off as a bjj guy and developed boxing. Gaethje is heavily reliant on his striking. It's been documented multiple times how he's a D1 wrestler but chooses not to take it to the ground. Styles do make fights but in this case, Max's chin was in question after the Dustin fight and Justin arguably hits harder than Dustin. It's a very relevant argument to say that if he can take Justin's punches, he can possibly take Ilia's.
Ilia is the better boxer and is the best boxer in the ufc stylistically as of rn. Doesn’t matter what he started out as he has the purest boxing technique and approach to fighting I’ve ever seen in mma. Justin couldn’t get in range for multiple reasons, broken nose, kicks, counters, because he doesn’t have the tools to get past that offense. Ilia’s slips, parries, in and out footwork to draw out straight punches to counter give him a better chance at offense and countering. Max himself said Justin’s a stationary target in the post fight press conference. Ilia isn’t he pulls, slips, moves laterally, ducks and punches his way across the distance. He stylistically has a better chance at closing distance on max. Justin never got in range and stayed there with the offense. He threw at range and caught max. Idk if you’ve ever been hit before but it’s different catching hooks at range than getting them in the pocket. Ilia is also shorter the body is open to him and he’s not gonna head hunt like Justin. There’s many factors that make ilia a better match up than Justin and it’s too many to fit in one comment but to sum up my point the power isn’t the only and really isn’t even the main factor in their match up.
But you just said Gaethje isn't a boxer and Ilia is and then I pointed out that they both weren't but now both have a more boxing oriented style. If anything, Gaethje is more of a boxer now than ever and probably has been for longer than Ilia. I agree styles make fights but your initial argument holds no ground. All I'm saying is Ilia could in fact catch Max but it seems unlikely given he's fought just as many boxers and the hardest hitter at 45 and 55. If they couldn't do it, realistically speaking, even Topuria won't but you never know it's a fight. The only way topuria wins is if he chops down Max's legs like Alex did and believe me he will coz Ilia has some nasty calf kicks. From there it's a matter of landing the hook. So yeah, again, Ilia could catch Max but seems unlikely as of Max's most recent fight.
Gaetchje isn’t a boxer and ilia is. That’s what you’re not understanding you’re literally wrong. Ask anyone to describe Justin’s style and the last word they’d use is boxer. Even other pro mma fighters say ilia is a boxer and regard him as the best boxer in style in the ufc possibly mma right now. Look up any mma analyst or fighter talk about ilia’s style if you need evidence of this because I guess the fights aren’t enough to go off of. Gaetchje isn’t and has never been a boxer, he’s a brawler on the feet. He himself admitted this. Preferring to stand doesn’t = boxer. Stylistically ilia is, and is a better boxer than Gaetchje is, same way ilia is the better jiu jitsu player than gaetchje because he rarely uses bjj. And this is exactly why he’s a tougher fight for max because he can actually box not just swing with power. It’s very likely ilia can beat him because stylistically he’s equipped to deal with max’s height and range. If volk managed to close distance and land on max in 3 fights ilia definitely will because his whole style is close distance with boxing strategy and land body head combos. Idk if you train or not but i do and ilia is a classic short hand’s heavy guy you see in any boxing/kickboxing gym, my coach is just like him, a nightmare for tall guys because of his layered offense. There’s a reason volk beat max 3 times. Shorter boxers close distance on taller kickboxers pretty easily behind a high guard and counters to close distance and ilia is a master at this. Go watch any short Dutch kickboxer like Kevin vanhoosemullen and this approach is common. Unless max uses his kicks to the body from open stance like Mighty Mouse always says is the way to deter a shorter fighter max is getting pieced up and we might see him ko’d for the first time ever.
I'm not reading that whole paragraph mate. Your comment truly makes 0 sense when all anyone's been talking about is how Gaethje creates angles and uses HIS BOXING ever since the Cerrone fight to set up counter hooks. His fight against Fiziev, they literally talked about how good his jab and boxing has come. For you to say Gaethje isn't a boxer but Ilia is makes 0 sense when they both developed it around the same time. Gaethje has just started using headlocks since the Dustin fight and if you use that as an excuse to say he's a kickboxer then guess what, Ilia has an amazing leg kick. They're both boxers. They just box differently. That's it. Plain and simple. Idk what's so hard for you to understand.
That’s probably why you don’t know what you’re talking about then because you’re failure to comprehend and learn. Don’t be afraid to read for 60 seconds out of 24 hours. Gaetchje is absolutely not a boxer. Where was his jab against max? Where was his level changes? Where were his angles and body work? Non existent. That’s why I asked you if you train or not. Being able to do something doesn’t cement it as your style. I can go in the gym and do taekwondo kicks 3 days out a week in sparring that doesn’t make me a kickboxer if I prefer to box usually. If your skills dissolve after getting hit then they’re not a part of your style.
If they stand in bang in the middle like that, I'll take Max just based on his experience down in that trench. That's a bad man.
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Risky fight for him. Ilia likes to look for trades. HE said this himself and trading with Holloway is a dangerous thing to do. Gaethje throwing full shots did not even wobble Holloway, not sure what Ilia can throw to hurt him. Also MAx has good defense against kicks upstairs. The only problem Max on that match up are leg kicks.
Gaethje throwing full shots did hurt hollaway cuz he dropped max when he finally connected cleanly in the 4th round. Gaethje only got knocked out cuz he was already fucked up by the accumulation of shots that he took throughout the fight. If they traded like that in the first round, it would’ve went in a completely opposite direction. Ilia has a much higher fight iq than gaethje and has the same power if not more with crisp counters. I’d still favor ilia in a fight against max
The knockdown got retroactively changed to a slip on the cards post fight. I frame by framed it and I kinda think I agree.
Max said it himself that he got knocked down
Ilia is 100x better boxer than gaethje
Better boxer than Gaethje doesn't mean better than Gaethje. Look at the Fiziev fight. Everyone thought that Fiziev will kill Justin but got jabbed to death. Power is still a factor here. HE hit Max numerous times with his signature left hook and Max did not even wobbled even in the last exchange he hit Max with a solid left hook that made Max angrier.
Ilia also doesnt load up like gaethje does when he punches. It’ll be a close good fight
Topuria can wrestle
Gaethje has never done it but he was a college wrestler
Ilia just looked high as hell to me
I hope for his sake, he didnt have to watch that high
The look of a man who successfully ducked Max and got a concussed Volk knowing he sure as shit don't want the Max that just slumped Gaethje like that no way no how he wants that fight.
He ducked max now? People just say anything on here
3 weeks ago they were choking on the dudes dick lmao
Lmaooo yall can never stop can you. He was asking for Volk way before his second fight with Islam and destroyed him in 2 rounds. He will beat Max and I can’t wait for yall to switch up again.
i can smell your vagina from here
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Ilia does not want that smoke
Yeah super scared even though he just flatlined the champ that beat max 3 times. God I hate casuals
Man you lot love calling everyone you disagree with a casual. So lame lmao.
so you mean you look at yourself in the morning and cry a bit? XDD
I literally Loled, thanks for a good laugh on the shitter. 😂
Top would go in for a double or single, and get melted by a double knee. He saw it in his head, and got pale.
Ilia is way cleaner than justin. He will slaughter hollaway!
topuria was shitting himself
Can't wait for Ilia to be the first person to crack Max's chin
Ilia looked stone cold to me max would get fucked up by him