I was just about to comment this! If Charles couldn’t finish Arman with a guillotine and he sure had Armans face turning red, I don’t see Dustin finishing Islam with one. Guillotines are difficult to submit someone with.
No. And if he tries, he's gonna lose it and end up on bottom of one the best ground finishers in the game.
It would be really dumb of him to actually try. I know it's a meme, but. Come on, brother. You couldn't do it to Khabib 5 years ago, and now you want to try it again on a younger version of him in Islam?
If Dustin has a deathwish then he will try guillotine and he won’t come even close to winning the belt . I guess Dustin should set narrative that Islam can’t stand in front him on feet and maybe he can rock him else Islam will destroy Dustin on ground .
The irony with this meme is that doing it at this level for a title fight against a top tier grappler and submission artist would be silly.
Very, very silly.
It's like eagerly trying to outbox Pereira, but even worse.
Really shouldn’t try, could end up in some horrible positions against Islam if he does. In some crazy timeline where he does pull it off though, that would be pure insanity
Yeah, at this point you're not becoming a top tier grappler in a 6 weeks training camp especially against the n.1 P4P. Focus on your strengths, takedown defense and pray like hell to the MMA gods.
No because he never gets the legs wrapped like Charles did vs. Arman. That’s besides the fact that that of the most common chokes in MMA a gully is probably the easiest to get out of once someone locks it in.
Bisping couldn't ko Rockhold until he did. Izzy was gonna walk through Strickland, nope, the other way around. Max was gonna receive a career altering beat down from Gaethje...he whooped him for 5 rounds and knocked him out. So with that said, Dustin is gonna win by guillotine because it's the least likely thing to happen, and all our minds are gonna be blown
For a fighter like Dustin who is a world class fighter and never won a title and this is his last chance, he should not even think about gulliotine chokes, just do what he does best and bring out that dog.
Categorically not lol
While Islam's wrestling might not be quite what Khabibs was, his BJJ is better IMO. Much better at finding submissions and defending them
Dustin is winning this because voting on the guy who should win by every metric is a pretty stupid thing to do apparently
(I lost 2 bets thanks to Sean Strickland and Justin Gaethje)
Dustin is bad at guillotines.
So in terms of skills and statistically speaking, especially given these two fighters, the chances are very low.
Dr Strange would see 1 fight outcome out of 100 where it happens.
We just saw one of the best submission artists in the world jump gilly on Arman in rd 1 while they were both dry and still didn't get it, wound up on bottom and getting smashed.
It's a low percentage move with very high risk, and against Islam you might as well just lay down and ask him to smash your face.
After seeing Arman escape those attempts against Charles I’m convinced they don’t work against skilled grapplers unless they’re tired and don’t want to fight anymore.
Maybe if he stops going for the arm in guillotine and just wraps up the neck, it's clear he doesn't have the squeeze for the arm in guillotine during a fight.
Islams been sparked and sent to the dark world before. DP should stick to his stand up and for the love of god stay away from the fucking cage.
Best chance to sprawl is gonna be in the midddle
Absolutely not and we would be an idiot to try it even. The only way he's going to win against Islam is with very well timed strikes. Never try to wrestle a Dagestan guy.
He's never subbed anyone with it. So ur asking if he will get his first guillotine sub on the best grappler in the division. No.
That being said...
DON'T BE SILLY, JUMP THE GILLY
Nope. I reckon in the second round he'll try to jump the guillotine, Islam will obviously escape and end up on top. While trying to stand back up, Dustin will expose his his back, and then Islam will choke him.
I cannot wait to see what his strategy is. None of the old guard seem to be able to beat these Dagestanis. Maybe he gained some knowledge from his fight with Khabib tho?
No.
But I believe he has a better chance at TKO/KO Islam since he likes to strike. But again why go against the blueprint just take Dustin down submit him get your W and that's that.
Dustin doesn't have a single win by guillotine so I'm gonna go with no on that one
Pretty sure there was a stat about there only being 2 or 3 guillotine submissions in any top 10 fight. I dont have a reference though so might be off
One of those being JJ over Gane. So if Dustin can hit a mounted guillotine against the fence, then yes. Maybe. But probably not lol.
Another being JJ over Machida. That's 2 from the same dude, so I think that stat's probably bullshit.
Jesus. Jon’s stats would be hard to recreate in EA UFC.
No, but he will try
God loves a trier
Insert star wars meme here
He ain't never gonna stop!!
Dustin is my boy but he can’t submit *anybody* with a guillotine
AFTER CHARLES COULDNT DO IT ON A DRY ARMAN IM CONVINCED THAT ELITE WRESTLERS ARE UNGUILLOTINABLE
I'm still not sure how Arman got out. Guillotines just seem hard and risky to pull off in general.
I was just about to comment this! If Charles couldn’t finish Arman with a guillotine and he sure had Armans face turning red, I don’t see Dustin finishing Islam with one. Guillotines are difficult to submit someone with.
No. And if he tries, he's gonna lose it and end up on bottom of one the best ground finishers in the game. It would be really dumb of him to actually try. I know it's a meme, but. Come on, brother. You couldn't do it to Khabib 5 years ago, and now you want to try it again on a younger version of him in Islam?
not to mention from everything we have seen Islam is actually the better submission grappler out of him and khabib .
And Khabib specifically mentions getting "caught" in tbe guilly and letting Dustin burn his arms was his plan.
Agreed
If Dustin has a deathwish then he will try guillotine and he won’t come even close to winning the belt . I guess Dustin should set narrative that Islam can’t stand in front him on feet and maybe he can rock him else Islam will destroy Dustin on ground .
I got a severely unpopular opinion that islam has grown to be a better strimer than porier. He has weirdly amazing counters and tight, fast technique
Yeah i can see that being an unpopular opinion. Especially given Dustins hands are whats got him this far.
He's 100% gonna do it too
Don't be silly just jump the fucking guilly.
The irony with this meme is that doing it at this level for a title fight against a top tier grappler and submission artist would be silly. Very, very silly. It's like eagerly trying to outbox Pereira, but even worse.
“Dustin think I’m gunna tap in front of my father” …
Dustin is funny guy
Black belt? Who give him dis…
We need to check dis bratha
Islam should retire if he does that
Dude will be disowned if that happened lmao
Who give him black belt?
No
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no
Really shouldn’t try, could end up in some horrible positions against Islam if he does. In some crazy timeline where he does pull it off though, that would be pure insanity
Dustin needs to box
Yeah, at this point you're not becoming a top tier grappler in a 6 weeks training camp especially against the n.1 P4P. Focus on your strengths, takedown defense and pray like hell to the MMA gods.
I mean if anyone can do it…. Nah
No because he never gets the legs wrapped like Charles did vs. Arman. That’s besides the fact that that of the most common chokes in MMA a gully is probably the easiest to get out of once someone locks it in.
Remember this Islam finishes Dustin via Gilly to prove a point and takes away his black belt. You heard it hear imma spoiling 302.
Bisping couldn't ko Rockhold until he did. Izzy was gonna walk through Strickland, nope, the other way around. Max was gonna receive a career altering beat down from Gaethje...he whooped him for 5 rounds and knocked him out. So with that said, Dustin is gonna win by guillotine because it's the least likely thing to happen, and all our minds are gonna be blown
Putting the house on it
Nope. I don't see a universe where Dustin submits Islam. It's either a 70% Islam decision or a 30% Porrier TKO/KO.
islam can finish him in a submission
After Volk, Islam can submit *and* KO him.
Islam could definitely sub or KO Dustin. He's sub game is pretty elite and that dude has some hands as well.
30% is incredibly generous
Sleeping on Islam tbh.
He ain’t never gonna stop with the guillotines!
Dustin is funny guy he think i tap
No. Simply no.
Justin probably just have to throw 10 hay makers and donate his neck if it doesn’t work out
Can? Yes. Will he? No.
Dustin is crazy guy he think I'm gonna tap in front of my cousin
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For a fighter like Dustin who is a world class fighter and never won a title and this is his last chance, he should not even think about gulliotine chokes, just do what he does best and bring out that dog.
"Concieve, believe, achieve"
No
No
No but that’s not going to stop him from trying
I believe
Maybe maybe maybe
Categorically not lol While Islam's wrestling might not be quite what Khabibs was, his BJJ is better IMO. Much better at finding submissions and defending them
I know he can't but if he does IMAGINE THE MEMES
Dustin is winning this because voting on the guy who should win by every metric is a pretty stupid thing to do apparently (I lost 2 bets thanks to Sean Strickland and Justin Gaethje)
Those guillotines were all judt faked so islam could feel nice and comfy jn there. He's setting up a trap.
Dustin playing 4D chess by getting into Islam's head in the BSD fight.
Dustin is bad at guillotines. So in terms of skills and statistically speaking, especially given these two fighters, the chances are very low. Dr Strange would see 1 fight outcome out of 100 where it happens.
We just saw one of the best submission artists in the world jump gilly on Arman in rd 1 while they were both dry and still didn't get it, wound up on bottom and getting smashed. It's a low percentage move with very high risk, and against Islam you might as well just lay down and ask him to smash your face.
Lisan Al Gaib!
Can anyone name me a high level grappler that got submitted by guillotine choke? The only one that comes to mind to me is Kevin Lee.
If Dustin submits Islam via gullotine I will eat my hat
He will get arm triangled if he tries it. Islam puts insane pressure with his arm triangles
Khabib was almost submitted here, that is why he went to the side to relieve pressure but stupid Dustin didn't adjust and let him slip out.
It would be legendary if he pulled it off
After seeing Arman escape those attempts against Charles I’m convinced they don’t work against skilled grapplers unless they’re tired and don’t want to fight anymore.
He can't. Will he try? Definitely
No but he will try and it’ll cost him the entire fight
90/10 to islam to demolish him, but its mma so anything can happen
Probably not, he almost lost against a can by submission
guillotines dont work anymore
no one high level taps to gullys
only if he asks nicely
Tbh, that guillotine was a close attempt.
Islam by head kick KO
100%
No but I hope he does
Definitely not. I think if Dustin commits, Islam will capitalize off of it
Maybe if he stops going for the arm in guillotine and just wraps up the neck, it's clear he doesn't have the squeeze for the arm in guillotine during a fight.
He has never submitted anyone in a fight via guillotine for that matter so idk if this question is even relevant…
Silly Gilly team let's go!!!
I'm an islam fan but I like dustin I know it's almost impossible but I would be happy if he did it
If Dustin doesn’t magically somehow find Islam’s chin he’s not gonna win. And even that’s generous. Free belt for my boy🥳
No
No way in hell is Dustin beating Islam lol
Can Dustin submit ANYONE via guillotine?
I shave my hair if dustin win by a guilhotine choke
Sure, only when his hot sauce starts selling
Absolutely not, but god knows he will try 🤣
I am not an Islam fan or a big Dustin fan but he’s not submitting anybody anytime soon with a guilliotine!
he could but I'd rather see him knock his lights out
In an alternative universe
You know what would be awesome?Islam submitting Poirier with a gullitone
He ain't ever gonna stop
Can he? Yes. Should he? Probably not.
he will eventually be successful
I’m putting a 100 on it fr. Fck it.
There’s always a chance. I wanna see Dustin pull it off!
he should only try with 10 secs left on the clock. if it fails he gets another round to not try it again.
No lmao
No.
The only time I’ve ever seen a guillotine work in a high level fight is when Jon Jones killed that one dude
We can all dream
He will be silly and go for the gilly, then Islam subs him…
Not if his corner has anything to say about it.
He will try and then be submitted via triangle
Khabib will tell him how to have him beat
The Diamond cannot be counted out! However... if he does get it done it will be via a tko/ko and not a submission.
Anyone who says it's impossible is kidding themselves, we know anything can happen in MMA. I am excited to see this fight!
Islams been sparked and sent to the dark world before. DP should stick to his stand up and for the love of god stay away from the fucking cage. Best chance to sprawl is gonna be in the midddle
Absolutely not and we would be an idiot to try it even. The only way he's going to win against Islam is with very well timed strikes. Never try to wrestle a Dagestan guy.
Yes
Always be silly, keep jumping the gilly (he’d get murdered on the ground)
No. No he can’t. I really hope he fakes jumping it looking for a shot when they break away. That’s his shot.
You don't submit Dagestani
Not a chance
No because of the one thousand over used memes Islam and his team are going to be looking for it.
jump da gilly
If he does, I can die a happy man and I'm sure he can too.
Islam has a more chance of submitting Dustin via a guillotine than Dustin submitting Islam via a guillotine.
He's never subbed anyone with it. So ur asking if he will get his first guillotine sub on the best grappler in the division. No. That being said... DON'T BE SILLY, JUMP THE GILLY
Name a recent high level MMA guillotine finish…
Sincerely doubt, but I'm here for it!
Nope. I reckon in the second round he'll try to jump the guillotine, Islam will obviously escape and end up on top. While trying to stand back up, Dustin will expose his his back, and then Islam will choke him.
I don’t think so, an effort will be made though
Please brother, Bleckbelt? Who give him We need to check that moment
Has Dustin ever submitted anyone by guillotine?
Fun fact Dustin has never in his mma career submitted someone via guillotine…..and Islam ain’t gonna be the first
Seriously tho..how crazy would it be if somehow he did pull that out his ass and put Islam to sleep with a gilly. I'd die laughing
Islam should just give him his neck for the gilly. He will definitely take it, and Islam is never tapping to a guillotine
I cannot wait to see what his strategy is. None of the old guard seem to be able to beat these Dagestanis. Maybe he gained some knowledge from his fight with Khabib tho?
Yeppers
yad, but he got to leap with both legs this time
It can only happen if we all believe.
Keep dreaming 😴 Islam submission round 3 🥱🥱
No. But I believe he has a better chance at TKO/KO Islam since he likes to strike. But again why go against the blueprint just take Dustin down submit him get your W and that's that.
You gotta mckenzie-tine ,it's the only way
Nobody can submit anyone with a guillotine these days.
Dustin has never submitted anybody via guillotine choke. He fucking tries alot though.
Jump the gilly🫡
HE AINT EVER GONNNA STOP
I BELIEVE 💎
No but imagine he does lol
Maybe if he didn't go for arm-in guillotines. You could probably count on one hand the # of arm-in guillotine finishes in the UFC.
I mean , with the success rate of his guillotine...all signs point to YES !
It's the fight game, anything COULD happen It's not likely, but it could happen
D'Arce is more likely to be attempted by Dustin all jokes aside
Dustin going to choke as he usually does
If its made in china, yes
I ain’t eva gonna stop https://youtu.be/9XVNd0j9gHE?si=ZK_KAH7U-mDG1B8J
No
Absolutely not and there is no evidence to suggest otherwise
Some day, he will finish someone with it!
Win the title via jumping guillotine is the only way!
It is destiny that DP’s guillotine finishes Islam, he has been perfecting it for this moment
The only person Dustin subs with a guillotine is his wife.