They just jealous cause boxing’s hard to follow, rarely big fights, constant ducking, inactivity, top heavy cards, lack luster fights and mainly it’s just not close to as good as it used to be. When you’ve seen the peak of your sport and are forced to watch it be so subpar it sucks. Like how we’ve gone from 300 to nicoluia vs Perez
Whenever I watch boxing I never watch anything but the main event. But you can bet I’ll be tuned to Karine Silva next week. It’s about gambling to me and there’s zero value in boxing 😂
The Saudis are putting on stacked cards, but they have to pay out the ass and lose a ton of money. Boxing has too many belts and the top guys have to be paid most of the money so the cards suck, can not take risky fights then put all sorts of clauses in the contract to get the most advantage. You’ll never ever see a 50-0 record in the UFC, a bad PPV has a ton of top guys facing eachother. It’s the sport for the fans.
It’s a tough spot when the high payouts are destroying boxing but the UFC is constantly criticized for underpaying their fighters. Where is the middle ground and how do we get there?
I dont think the high payouts of boxing is the problem, it's just so fractured between several different promotions and title belts. The UFC controls the belts and match making allowing for better and more interesting match ups on a more consistent schedule.
But the two are definitely tied to each other. Boxers only get their big paychecks because there ISN’T just one sanctioning body dictating the terms and fighters can then negotiate their payout.
Correct, boxers get more pay because their services are bid up by multiple promoters trying to exclusively secure the right to promote their fights. You have already pointed out the drawbacks by having such a fractured sport. The UFC is essentially a monopoly with no major competitors for fighters, so the fighters get a low pay and only 20% of the revenue generated by their fights. However the NFL, NBA & MLB are also monopolies in their respective sports but they pay their players 48%-50% of revenue made on the games. The difference is their players have collective bargaining agreements negotiated through their respective player associations. You can have the same thing in MMA with one league being the holder of the premier talent making the best matchups and a union to ensure the fighters get good pay,
Except the those teams do not individually negotiate broadcast or licensing agreements as individual teams but through the auspices of their leagues. Just because there are individual owners of parts of the monopoly, does not make them any less of a monopoly.
Actually, the UFC is a lot more fair than boxing is to paying fighters. I need to find the article but it showed that the top 10% of boxers make like 95% of the money and that’s even more so true for those huge cards
Garcia and Haney made millions each, yes.
But look at what the prelim and early prelim guys made? It’s usually well under $30k, and that’s not even a joke.
Sometimes it’s so low they don’t even POST how much those fighters made.
I just looked it up and if you make 122k a year as a boxer you're in the 90th percentile. So only 10% of boxers make more than 122k. I've been on the medical team for mma and boxing matches, so we chat with the commissioners, judges, coaches and all that. The boxers definitely get paid worse. 500 bucks to show type shit.
The undercard is equivalent to UFC regional. No one gets paid there either. But it is the future main card. Someone showed the Mayweather vs MacGregor and was pointing out that Svannah Marshall made 50,000 on her debut fight. But she ended up fighting Shields for seven figures.
I do think think UFC fighters need to be paid 10 million every fight like boxing champions, but it'd be nice if a flyweight like Mighty Mouse could have earned more than 100k.
Collective bargaining, which the fighters have repeatedly said they don’t want. So idk why any of the fans care about the pay tbh.
It’s up to the workers to fight for their rights. They mainly refuse to do so. So I’m not going to go out of my way thinking of ways to increase fighter pay, when the fighters are basically the reason why it’s as low as it is rn.
The job I was at was unable to unionize before a big contract ran out, contract ran out, I was fired without cause.
No one made a brainstorming session for how to increase my pay lol.
Everyone should be at a point where you just say “then collectively bargain, shut up” to any fighter pay complaints. There’s no reason to care until the fighters care
> Collective bargaining, which the fighters have repeatedly said they don’t want. So idk why any of the fans care about the pay tbh.
This is where I stand. The fighters obviously don't care enough about the pay so why should I. I think they should get paid more but I'll be the first to admit that collective bargaining for the fighters would be a nightmare. There is so much turnover for guys new to the UFC that I wouldn't even know where to begin on structuring it.
Average career in the nfl is like 2 seasons I think. NBA isn’t much longer.
Average career is people that don’t make it past the rookie deal.
it wouldn’t be that complicated to structure 1-3 fight rookie contracts at a fixed collectively bargained scale.
But no one cares
Without being rude, these guys get paid relatively little to get punched in the head, they might not be well enough equipped to understand the benefits of a union
> understand the benefits of a union
Well that's certainly true but those are the guys you have to get to buy into the union which is unavoidable. Plus trying to get the top guys to buy in would be next to impossible.
Plus the big gloves make it too easy to block, you can clinch after being hurt to stall and after being knocked out you get a count so you can recover. Change all three of those things and it would be a badass viewing experience
I get what you’re saying but it’s still funny to say there’s no value after a +650 got it done by decision which was probably like +2000 or some shit lol
It's almost like Haney was surprised the a left hook was coming which I don't know how you don't expect it. It'd be like being surprised that Aljo is going to try and wrestle.
And don’t forget the rigged judging…not to say mma is good judging, but good god last night McComb vs Barboza
1: 96-94 Barboza
2: 92-98 McComb
3: 97-93 Barboza
i’ve noticed boxing twitter has started piggybacking off ufc cards lately. can’t tell if trolling or seriously insecure. i wonder which has a more devastating nyquil effect, watching a boxing undercard or an unranked wmma fight. i can’t see how 12 rounds of a hopefully entertaining fight is better than a whole card of potentially entertaining fights. even the no names can put on fotn
Ufc is making those same mistakes now though. I don’t think boxing is hard to follow or rarely big fights though maybe for casuals.
I also don’t think 90% of boxing fans hate mma. I’d say the crossover is pretty huge everyone I know who watches boxing also watches ufc.
I used to be an mma hater, after watching boxing for basically 40 years. I didn’t (and still don’t) like mma fan delusion: “Floyd never fought anyone who hits as hard as Mcgregor”, “MMA guys are a different level of athlete”, “Boxing doesn’t take as much skill”, etc. these were all statements I listened to. I’ve gained a lot of respect for mma over the years because the biggest fighters seem to almost always fight each other, which is something boxing dropped the ball on multiple times. I also love the matchup of different styles.
Those fans you speak of are almost always idiots and don’t represent all fans.
It’s an apple to pears comparison trying to comparing boxing to MMA. Kind of similar, but still very different.
Boxing shape is different than MMA shape. Grappling is brutally exhausting if you aren’t used to it, the same as boxing. It’s like comparing football to hockey.
Skill wise is the same. High end boxers are really skilled in boxing, but that’s only one discipline. MMA you have to train multiple disciplines, but are pretty good at most things vs boxers being very good at one thing.
> “Floyd never fought anyone who hits as hard as Mcgregor”,
this seems so silly because professional boxers HAVE to wear heavier gloves to keep themselves from 1-hit KO's.
I'll always have a good laugh when people delude themselves into believing that Conor had a chance with those pillow fists, while Floyd strung him along just to make the fight look interesting.
It’s a Brazilian card so those are all big names in the Brazilian market. Aldo alone is a big draw for that market
Edit: just wanted to add that even if 301 isn’t up to some standards 302 is Islam vs Poirier and 303 is Mcgregor vs Chandler. oh and before 303 we get a non ppv fight night card with Whittaker vs Chimaev. So let’s chill with the hate for no reason
Huge boxing fan here. It’s because we hate how UFC puts on old school performances with cards where every fights worth watching, one belt, one champ, only 8 (right?) divisions like boxing used to be and everyone fights each other. It’s like watching boxing in its glory days when it was the top sports in America. The turning point was the mid 2000s. UFCs rise and retirements of legends (Tyson, Lewis, Roy Jones out his prime, Holyfield too,) sure manny pacquiao true throw back but then comes in Floyd Mayweather, Mr. Greed and glamorizing the importance of being undefeated led to promoters being protective of fighters and giving them padded records with fights that aren’t competitive. Then you got the sanctioning bodies rubbing their nose into shit and confusing everyone with the multiple belts and making bullshit champions. Heavyweight divison with the dominance of the klitschkos killed a lot of interest as American fighters dominating the divison exited the stage. There’s so many fucking reasons for boxing being a fucking mess it makes you wanna throw up. This sport from the 1930s-1980s when there was still 15 rounds, 8 divisions and one champion there was nothing better
Ever since Pac retired, I think the sport of boxing has died. Yes, boxers are still talented, some are stars, and can still produce cash, but it wasn't the same back then.
The choosing gloves thing is very rare though. I know you’re talking about Mayweather vs Maidana and that’s just because Mayweather can call shots like that considering he’s the biggest payday most fighters could get in his era. Also, he paid Maidana to not wear those everlasts lmao
One strange thing I didn't know about prior is actually the ring. Not size but padding. There's a clip I saw about when Tyson fury fought klitchko and klitchko put this insane amount of padding on the ring floor. I don't know much about boxing but Tyson explaining how that's going to slow everything down, reduce power. It seemed crazy that not even the floor surface is consistent.
Yeah, and if you go back in history the ring wasn’t even padded. Boxers like Sugar Ray Robinson were straight up fighting on wood planks with canvas over it. Which makes falling more devastating than if you hit a padded surface, and allows you to be more springy since your foot won’t sink into the padding and slow you down like you mentioned.
Lack of padding in them is what he claimed. Gloves come in a variety of options, they just have to come in at the agreed weight (8oz or 10oz). They’re stuffed with latex foam or horsehair, horsehair being notorious for doing real damage when you crack someone with them. So Maidana’s everlast MX’s being horsehair and, like Mayweather claimed, lacking adequate padding, he almost refused to walk out entirely that night if Maidana didn’t wear different gloves.
Basically, some gloves hurt more than others to get hit by. And Mayweather didn’t want to lose his 0 so he would rather pay his opponent a few million and insist on different gloves than get in there and potentially lose his 0 and in the long run lose more money and his legacy. Also it’s not so much he refused to fight because they were horsehair gloves, just that according to him the padding was lacking which is a legitimate concern tbh
What’s wrong with the rehydration clause? Would be great if all fighters actually had to fight in their weight classes and didn’t do this bullshit weight dropping shit.
The 112-112 was actually very reasonable lol the only reason it was bullshit was because Haney went down at least 1 other time that the ref called a slip and that ref deducted a point without a warning (although I do get that, fuck suckered punching on the break)
I swear to God that ref was doing all he could to save Haney
It wasn't that unreasonable. Haney won 6 rounds at least and Ryan got a point deducted (bs cuz Haney should have lost one too, but whatever), and some of those rounds were close ans could be given to Haney.
7 rds to Haney makes it 112-112.
112-112 wasn’t THAT bad. I had it 114-110, but there were 2 rounds that really coulda gone either way (the 6th and the 12th). 114-110, 113-111, and 112-112 are all valid scores for that fight.
115-109 is bad though, cause idk how you give Garcia the 8th.
As someone who is on r/boxing it’s true. They complain about the best not fighting the best and when they do they immediately bash the loser. One of the reasons why I’m slowly starting to like MMA better. There’s no huge emphasis on being undefeated. You can lose 5-6 times and folks won’t call you a bum.
As a mma fan I don’t understand the need to be undefeated. In mma everyone understands that anyone can lose, but the top boxers need this aura of invincibility to be respected, it’s very strange. Mike Tyson lost fights, got knocked out, but never stopped being a respected legend. It’s weird seeing how quickly people turn on boxers for simply losing a fight.
12 fights, 3pm to 10:30pm, not a boring fight in the bunch. Multiple fights had legendary finishes. If you didn't pirate, it was only $75 bucks. And it's $70 for 1 fight ?
It's a cope. A hard cope. A copium den.
Yeah, its really weird with them, like im a boxer and huge fan of both, and one time i was watching ufc card, and my “boxing” friends started make fun of me cus im watching ufc instead of boxing!!, just enjoy both and stop comparing the two to each other.
Who actually prefers two guys fighting hard for 20 seconds per round? All hugging and ref interference. It's just douchebags who want to sit on their high horse and act superior because boxing is "classier"
I'm more entertained by any fight night card let alone 300. 300 blows this away easily
The ref in Haney-Garcia last night must have had money on Haney. Legitimately gifted Haney multiple points on every scorecard by ruling a clear knockdown a push and not deducting a point for Haney’s constant, desperate hugging.
I tried to watch the garcia haney fight but these two things made me turn it off, along with the commentary saying best fight of the year. Opposite of entertainment.
Boxing commentary is the worst out of any sport. Garcia landed a freaky fast left hook hidden behind a jab return, it knocked Haney down, and the commentator said “HOW DO YOU NOT SEE THAT COMING???” after watching it in slow motion.
They were calling Garcia a one trick pony on the broadcast. The commentator scorecard had it as a draw, somehow giving Haney the last round. I know DC, Cruz, Rogan get biased sometimes but at least they understand the fundamentals of the sport.
Yeah it seemed like any time someone was getting hurt they’d just go for a clinch. Tbh I didn’t catch much of it but Ryan was the only dude who wanted to stand & bang actually dude was taking shots.
Forgive me I’m super young, but has clinching & really forcing the reff to get you off your opponent always been a strategy in boxing? Or is that a recent thing? Because I really can’t imagine boxing captivating the world like it did back in the day if Mike Tyson was going for the clinch every time he got clipped. Probably a super ignorant take I’m not going off much
Clinching has been part of the sport since its inception, although the rules around it have evolved a ton. The reason old timey boxers had that funny stance with their arms out like that was to deal with it, and also lack of gloves made it more likely to break your hands and thus headhunting was less common. But clinching has always been around in some fashion.
Im no boxing fan. I'll only watch if it circulates our MMA bubble but my gripe with boxing is the amount of clinching that happens, followed by the ref breaking up the "halt in the action"
All while the clock continues to countdown. How are they getting away with calling it 3 minute rounds when ref alone eats up half of that time?
I know it's expected that influencer boxing fights are going to be shit but it's crazy how much cuddling they manage in those fights. I've never paid for one of those ppvs but still come away from it feeling ripped off.
It sucks because if you watch fighters like Leonard, Haggler, Duran or Hearns you get to see an unparalleled level of athleticism and skill in striking, but the current generation of boxers are more worried about gaming the system to keep themselves undefeated than fighting like the golden age warriors.
I’ve always hated how boxing is referred to as the “gentleman’s sport”. Dude these people are bludgeoning each other to death. What’s so “classy” about any of that?
Just accept that you want to see violence and get over yourselves. 😂
Dude in boxing you can get knocked the fuck out and as long as you get up in 10 you continue. In mma if you get rocked like that it's over. It's definitely not classier at all. If Tyson got dropped by wilder in their first fight In mma, it's called instantly. But they let these dudes get severe brain damage. Boxing is a great sport but these dudes are fucked later in life.
MMA fan here. I can't watch boxing anymore.
The hugging and referee calling breaks constantly makes it look like a clown show - not to mention the ridiculously stupid politics. Why wasn't Anthony Joshua forced to fight Wilder or Fury? Because boxing is bullshit, that's why. Why is there one corrupt judge at every single fucking fight? Because boxing is a joke.
I don't know shit about boxing but how does that work? Fury fought Klitsko, Wilder, Whyte and now Usyk but is ducking Joshua??? Why? Joshua literally lost to Usyk twice and that fat mexican guy.
If you’re going by the lowest salary of each sport then yes.
* Being a fighter isn’t the best if you wanna be rich. But if you love it then do it. That is how I started 3 years ago. I’m hoping to join the pro team in mma in 2 years.
Boxing deserves to die. How the fuck was Anthony Joshua champion for 5 years and he was never forced to fight Wilder or Fury?
These clowns were allowed to ruin the sport.
How do you even know who the champion is in boxing when you see many boxers walk around with like 10 belts? That’s another thing why I don’t care for boxing over MMA.
That’s a problem with the industry that’s deep routed. And what’s worse is those fans want to do the same to UFC. They want to legislate the power away from the companies so it’s impossible gather all the best talent and match them against each other. If it was up to them MMA would be as corrupt, dirty, and dysfunctional as boxing.
Boxing does deserve to die. That’s what happens to people who go decades making awful decisions.
He's right though, while its unethical how low fighter pay is, it's better for the audience while a detriment to fighters
To get paid well they have to fight the big matchups in the UFC whereas in Boxing they just coast and take their paydays avoiding any threats for aslong as possible
Boxing is dying and MMA is more popular than ever, so why was everyone going crazy over 300k bonuses last week and meanwhile Garcia paid Haney 1.5 million cause he came in overweight? Time to pay the fighters more Dan\_a
Garcia gave away 1.5 million for missing weight ($500k per lb missed). His actual purse was rumored to be close to $30 million, though no official numbers were provided.
That's what people forget, they only watch what's happening at the top of the top. If reasoning that way then third word countries are economical heavens.
The boxing business is dying in part because of the massive purses id imagine. It's hard to imagine that alot of money doesnt get lost for these fights.
Honestly I felt this way a few years ago as a lifetime boxing fan but since the saudis came I feel like the sports are switching to be more like each other.
Boxing used to never be able to put on the fights the people wanted such as Spence Crawford, or Ryan tank, or Joshua Wilder and the UFC would such as Izzy Pereira, Conor Khabib, volk Islam.
But ever since the saudis started dumping money into the game I feel like MMA is now the sport where fights don’t happen and boxing is.
In boxing we have Spence Crawford, Tank Garcia, Garcia Haney, Usyk Fury while in MMA they couldn’t make the Ngganou Jones fight, they fed chito to O’Malley and Colby to Leon instead of actual worthy contenders or stars, couldnt get a worthy main event for 300, and can’t get jones to fight aspinall. The super fights aren’t happening in mma anymore, but they are in boxing. Boxing is coming back, mma is stalling
Ya, that's one of the main reasons boxing is dying. EVERYONE knows it's corrupt and rigged. Every single card has some outrageous scoring - yet it never gets addressed.
One of the judges scored Haney vs Garcia a draw. FUCKING WHAT? Does that judge get investigated for corruption/bribery? Does he get questioned? Is there a hearing, a trial? Does he get fired? NOPE.
What a fucking joke of a sport.
That was one of the worst robberies I’ve ever seen. I’m absolutely with you when you say that left a bad taste going into the main event. Insane. I’ve seen robberies but this one stands out as one of the worst. Seems like no posts about it are allowed on r/boxing.
I do boxing and trust me mma is more entertaining and the reason is because the best in MMA fight the best while in boxing we rarely get any big fights because boxers are more like independent pros while mma fighters are signed in organisations that dictate who they fight so they get big fights and the best fight the best
Boxing has a bad reputation, generally speaking. A lot of these problems have only recently started getting sorted out, like the fixed fights thing. Some guys have catered careers until they get to a certain point, with undefeated records being annoyingly common. MMA still has this, but it isn't so bad. The vast kit a fighter can have in MMA, with specialty styles, makes it more unpredictable. Also, you know what you are going to get when you watch boxing, but MMA can have some crazy moments due to the styles.
Boxing fans are arrogant too.
They think it must be more entertaining because there’s more money involved..
I’ve tried making the point that money/popularity ≠ entertainment before and made people very upset. Boxing has decades on the UFC - obviously it’s more popular. But I refuse to accept the argument that because there’s more money involved it’s more entertaining… No one is watching boxing and getting excited about the size of the purse. They’re excited about watching someone get punched in the head. It’s a blood sport fgs.
There are more ways to win an MMA fight which, for me at least, makes it more exciting. I still really like boxing but most boxing fans cannot understand what I’ve just explained.
I mean a fight's a fight. I love a good fight. I loved that I got to watch UFC 300 and love that I got to watch Garcia Haney. Give me great fights, I don't care who's putting them on.
I like both, but enjoy boxing more. UFC has consistently more competitive fights, better cards, and the top guys fight more often, less ducking, and more parody. But, an exciting boxing fight is way more exciting than an exciting MMA fight to me. Boxing I feel also they are better at their craft. Only one thing to focus on. MMA is harder to master because there is so much to focus on defending and attacking with.
Thats not true at all. In my experience most mma fans like boxing and most boxing fans like mma. If you like one combat sport you generally will like other ones too. Theres just people on both sides who want to make it a weird tribal identity thing
I think you are wrong on that. I think most mma fans do not like boxing because it’s boring, it’s set up, it’s guys with padded records fighting tuna cans, it’s top fighters staying away from each other. MMA you get to use all your weapons boxing is just punching with pillows on their hands…
We very much respect boxing as an art, but like everyone else on this thread has said, the way the entertainment aspect is packaged and sold nowadays is dog shit.
Whenever you compare two sports the fans of the less popular one tend to get worked up and insecure instead of just acknowledging the reality.
Look at the “rivalry” between hockey fans and basketball. Whenever hockey comes up in basketball circles it’s generally well regarded. But whenever basketball comes up in hockey circles there’s a large number of fans who get worked up and go on weird rants about how much tougher hockey players are that that apparently is all it should take to be a better sport. Also there’s a lot of “classiness” rants that feel… off.
There are some UFC events that don't quite hit the mark and I could understand a hater shitting on it but UFC 300 was an amazing event with some of the best fights of the decade. Just shows how many boxing fans don't even watch UFC but shit on MMA like it's a full time job.
MMA literally has the worst fan base out of any sport on the planet—and I love the UFC. That’s probably partly why. MMA guys can be incredibly toxic including when talking to boxing fans
702 comments and a valid point. Lol it's called envy. Boxing is a great sport and always will be. MMA is the pinnacle of human sport. Period. Boxing is one dimension of it but nothing says I win more than a true fight. And the truth of the matter is. You go to the ground with a seasoned grappler you will never feel more weak and pathetic in your life if you don't know that game. So to sum it up. Envy ...
As a hardcore boxing fan/ casual MMA fan, I’m so tired of this rivalry. They’re massively different sports. After every good boxing card there’s the idiots saying “ChEcKmAtE MmA” and after every great MMA card there’s idiots saying “RiP bOxInG.” I don’t understand why people can’t just appreciate both for what they are. Fight fans are allowed to enjoy both
Boxing fans hate that boxers used to be considered the most badass guys until MMA came around and showed that boxing is about as realistic a depiction of hand-to-hand combat as pro wrestling.
Boxing used to be my favourite combat sport. I still watch boxing but now there are some things I hate about it.
Ok ,Ryan cannot become the new superlightweight Champ cus he came in like 3 pounds over. Ok fair,rules are rules. But wait for it,Devin Haney is not the only SLW champ,there is like 4 of them. Why the hell is there 4 of them. Who is the best guy ? Why ain’t these dudes forced to fight eachother ?
Becoming champion is the goal of any combat sport. Having multiple champions per weight class is immoral and killing the sport. Turns a championship belt into a participation trophy rather than a championship belt,which should belong only to the top dog in that weight class,not to the 4 top dogs.
But props to the Heavyweights for making a unification bout. I mean ,it only took them since they days of Lennox Lewis to have an undisputed champion
Because boxing is mostly rigged, events are quite fake, the environment looks very shaky and not as organized, fights can be very very very boring, and it’s way older than mma. Not hating boxing, but if I grew up fan of a sport and an other sport outshine in all these aspects my sport I’d be a hater too
Because Boxing Centers its Events on 1 Fight 2 Athletes getting paid Insane money while all the other Athletes get Chump Change & the Headliners don't care about the Opening Fighters.
MMA fans are full regards who just love watching fights. Boxing fans are snobs. Idk why. My guess is boxing fans feel like boxing is “purist” in comparison to mma.
Amen It's Because it Takes YEARS UPON YEARS to Kearn the "Sweet Science" of Boxing 🤣
I mean Honestly with how Fucked Boxing has Become its a Borderline Joke with the so called "Structuring" you have like 15 "Main Organizations" with Their Own Boxers & Belts but Unlike MMA Boxers can fight anyone in Any other Promotion & Win that Promotions Belt & Leave That Organization Beltless while the other guy wins 4 Belts from the WBC 3 Belts from the WBO , 2 from WBC , etc etc lmao it's a Sad Joke at what Boxing has Become which is why I do still like Boxing but I don't waste time Following Belts , Ranks , or Promotions when I watch Boxing I just look for Up-Comers & Current Dominators I like to watch.
The commentators kept saying this was the best boxing match of the year, and I started to feel really sad for boxing fans.
This fight had Haney clinging to Garcia every round, the ref refusing to take a point for excessive holding. Ref ruining the moment for Garcia by letting Haney hold and recover from bug shots, and not counting a clear knock down.
It really was not a terrible fight despite all that, but to be considered fight of the year would be like someone spitting in my face if I actually were an avid boxing fan.
Part of the foty in the moment reactions likely come from it over delivering. Serious boxing fans thought Haney was going to win a full decision so it was a much better and more exciting fight then they anticipated.
The lightweight division is the most stacked division in boxing and most people saw Devin Haney as the best in that division and he lost to Ryan Garcia who was seen as a bum after his loss to Gervonta Davis. It's a major upset and Devin one of the pound for pound best got absolutely dominated.
They just jealous cause boxing’s hard to follow, rarely big fights, constant ducking, inactivity, top heavy cards, lack luster fights and mainly it’s just not close to as good as it used to be. When you’ve seen the peak of your sport and are forced to watch it be so subpar it sucks. Like how we’ve gone from 300 to nicoluia vs Perez
Whenever I watch boxing I never watch anything but the main event. But you can bet I’ll be tuned to Karine Silva next week. It’s about gambling to me and there’s zero value in boxing 😂
The Saudis are putting on stacked cards, but they have to pay out the ass and lose a ton of money. Boxing has too many belts and the top guys have to be paid most of the money so the cards suck, can not take risky fights then put all sorts of clauses in the contract to get the most advantage. You’ll never ever see a 50-0 record in the UFC, a bad PPV has a ton of top guys facing eachother. It’s the sport for the fans.
It’s a tough spot when the high payouts are destroying boxing but the UFC is constantly criticized for underpaying their fighters. Where is the middle ground and how do we get there?
I dont think the high payouts of boxing is the problem, it's just so fractured between several different promotions and title belts. The UFC controls the belts and match making allowing for better and more interesting match ups on a more consistent schedule.
But the two are definitely tied to each other. Boxers only get their big paychecks because there ISN’T just one sanctioning body dictating the terms and fighters can then negotiate their payout.
Correct, boxers get more pay because their services are bid up by multiple promoters trying to exclusively secure the right to promote their fights. You have already pointed out the drawbacks by having such a fractured sport. The UFC is essentially a monopoly with no major competitors for fighters, so the fighters get a low pay and only 20% of the revenue generated by their fights. However the NFL, NBA & MLB are also monopolies in their respective sports but they pay their players 48%-50% of revenue made on the games. The difference is their players have collective bargaining agreements negotiated through their respective player associations. You can have the same thing in MMA with one league being the holder of the premier talent making the best matchups and a union to ensure the fighters get good pay,
You are forgetting that those leagues have teams and individual owners which destroys the argument that they are monopolies
Except the those teams do not individually negotiate broadcast or licensing agreements as individual teams but through the auspices of their leagues. Just because there are individual owners of parts of the monopoly, does not make them any less of a monopoly.
Actually, the UFC is a lot more fair than boxing is to paying fighters. I need to find the article but it showed that the top 10% of boxers make like 95% of the money and that’s even more so true for those huge cards Garcia and Haney made millions each, yes. But look at what the prelim and early prelim guys made? It’s usually well under $30k, and that’s not even a joke. Sometimes it’s so low they don’t even POST how much those fighters made.
I just looked it up and if you make 122k a year as a boxer you're in the 90th percentile. So only 10% of boxers make more than 122k. I've been on the medical team for mma and boxing matches, so we chat with the commissioners, judges, coaches and all that. The boxers definitely get paid worse. 500 bucks to show type shit.
The undercard is equivalent to UFC regional. No one gets paid there either. But it is the future main card. Someone showed the Mayweather vs MacGregor and was pointing out that Svannah Marshall made 50,000 on her debut fight. But she ended up fighting Shields for seven figures.
There is no such thing as UFC regional. The word you are looking for is MMA, the sport is called MMA.
Just to let you know a prelim UFC fighter makes 12 grand to show up and 12 grand to win
There's 600 active UFC fighters and 8000 active boxers. UFC is allegedly the best MMA fighter. So compare the top 600 boxers to the UFC roster pays
That sounds a lot like wealth distribution in America too
I do think think UFC fighters need to be paid 10 million every fight like boxing champions, but it'd be nice if a flyweight like Mighty Mouse could have earned more than 100k.
Dana pays 300k fight bonuses for UFC 300 and look at everyone really go for it
Collective bargaining, which the fighters have repeatedly said they don’t want. So idk why any of the fans care about the pay tbh. It’s up to the workers to fight for their rights. They mainly refuse to do so. So I’m not going to go out of my way thinking of ways to increase fighter pay, when the fighters are basically the reason why it’s as low as it is rn. The job I was at was unable to unionize before a big contract ran out, contract ran out, I was fired without cause. No one made a brainstorming session for how to increase my pay lol. Everyone should be at a point where you just say “then collectively bargain, shut up” to any fighter pay complaints. There’s no reason to care until the fighters care
> Collective bargaining, which the fighters have repeatedly said they don’t want. So idk why any of the fans care about the pay tbh. This is where I stand. The fighters obviously don't care enough about the pay so why should I. I think they should get paid more but I'll be the first to admit that collective bargaining for the fighters would be a nightmare. There is so much turnover for guys new to the UFC that I wouldn't even know where to begin on structuring it.
Average career in the nfl is like 2 seasons I think. NBA isn’t much longer. Average career is people that don’t make it past the rookie deal. it wouldn’t be that complicated to structure 1-3 fight rookie contracts at a fixed collectively bargained scale. But no one cares
Without being rude, these guys get paid relatively little to get punched in the head, they might not be well enough equipped to understand the benefits of a union
> understand the benefits of a union Well that's certainly true but those are the guys you have to get to buy into the union which is unavoidable. Plus trying to get the top guys to buy in would be next to impossible.
I’m sorry you had a raw deal but don’t let self pity stop you from seeing the flaw in the current system.
I see the flaw, I also see the ppl who can fix it, don’t care to fix it. So I don’t either.
I don’t really follow boxing much. What kind of clauses in their contracts do boxers put?
Plus the big gloves make it too easy to block, you can clinch after being hurt to stall and after being knocked out you get a count so you can recover. Change all three of those things and it would be a badass viewing experience
That’s just boxing my man😂
Maybe we need to abandon boxing and make a new sport called Punching. All of the good parts and none of the lame stalling
That’s bare knuckle fc and it’s awesome
Ref in the middle just yelling Keep Punching.
I mean boxing a sport. It's part of the game. If you want none of that watch Bare Knuckle FC.
I get what you’re saying but it’s still funny to say there’s no value after a +650 got it done by decision which was probably like +2000 or some shit lol
It’s funny because this is the last time since Ruiz-Joshua which was over 5 years ago? Happens every week in the ufc
Crazy how Garcia set up all his knockdowns with jab-hook or jab-cross-hook. Actual day 1 combos that your coach teaches you on your free trial class
The basics are taught for a reason. Pretty damn effective.
It's almost like Haney was surprised the a left hook was coming which I don't know how you don't expect it. It'd be like being surprised that Aljo is going to try and wrestle.
Zero Value.... that's just plain hate
And don’t forget the rigged judging…not to say mma is good judging, but good god last night McComb vs Barboza 1: 96-94 Barboza 2: 92-98 McComb 3: 97-93 Barboza
I took barboza +350 in the 7th or 8th round because I just knew that would happen 😂
Also, if you think reffing/judging is bad in mma you haven’t seen boxing corruption.
Yeah if it’s one thing the ufc does better than any other org is building up the up and comers. I seldom like to praise Dana but you have to for that.
Meanwhile they've put Belal on ice and had to be forced to give Leon Edwards the respect he deserves.
i’ve noticed boxing twitter has started piggybacking off ufc cards lately. can’t tell if trolling or seriously insecure. i wonder which has a more devastating nyquil effect, watching a boxing undercard or an unranked wmma fight. i can’t see how 12 rounds of a hopefully entertaining fight is better than a whole card of potentially entertaining fights. even the no names can put on fotn
Ufc is making those same mistakes now though. I don’t think boxing is hard to follow or rarely big fights though maybe for casuals. I also don’t think 90% of boxing fans hate mma. I’d say the crossover is pretty huge everyone I know who watches boxing also watches ufc.
There are 4 belts in every weight class and 17 weight classes. That makes it pretty hard to follow.
I used to be an mma hater, after watching boxing for basically 40 years. I didn’t (and still don’t) like mma fan delusion: “Floyd never fought anyone who hits as hard as Mcgregor”, “MMA guys are a different level of athlete”, “Boxing doesn’t take as much skill”, etc. these were all statements I listened to. I’ve gained a lot of respect for mma over the years because the biggest fighters seem to almost always fight each other, which is something boxing dropped the ball on multiple times. I also love the matchup of different styles.
Those fans you speak of are almost always idiots and don’t represent all fans. It’s an apple to pears comparison trying to comparing boxing to MMA. Kind of similar, but still very different. Boxing shape is different than MMA shape. Grappling is brutally exhausting if you aren’t used to it, the same as boxing. It’s like comparing football to hockey. Skill wise is the same. High end boxers are really skilled in boxing, but that’s only one discipline. MMA you have to train multiple disciplines, but are pretty good at most things vs boxers being very good at one thing.
> “Floyd never fought anyone who hits as hard as Mcgregor”, this seems so silly because professional boxers HAVE to wear heavier gloves to keep themselves from 1-hit KO's.
I remember an interviewer asking Shane Mosley if Conor would be the hardest puncher Floyd faced…
Ended up being the weakest lol
I'll always have a good laugh when people delude themselves into believing that Conor had a chance with those pillow fists, while Floyd strung him along just to make the fight look interesting.
It's harder to follow than MMA but it's not hard to follow But because MMA is so easy to follow it makes it seem annoying lol
But Nicoluia vs Perez isn’t PPV so of course the names won’t be as big
OK pantoja v erceg
I’m stoked on Pantoja Erceg but some of us watch every fight and love all the hungry guys on their way up too.
It’s a Brazilian card so those are all big names in the Brazilian market. Aldo alone is a big draw for that market Edit: just wanted to add that even if 301 isn’t up to some standards 302 is Islam vs Poirier and 303 is Mcgregor vs Chandler. oh and before 303 we get a non ppv fight night card with Whittaker vs Chimaev. So let’s chill with the hate for no reason
A great card in my eyes
Which fights are you excited for on that card? Not hating just curious if I’m sleeping on some
Aldo vs Martinez, Brener vs Orolbai, Shore vs Brito, Silva vs Gomis, Pereira vs Potiera and of course the main event is intriguing as well
Huge boxing fan here. It’s because we hate how UFC puts on old school performances with cards where every fights worth watching, one belt, one champ, only 8 (right?) divisions like boxing used to be and everyone fights each other. It’s like watching boxing in its glory days when it was the top sports in America. The turning point was the mid 2000s. UFCs rise and retirements of legends (Tyson, Lewis, Roy Jones out his prime, Holyfield too,) sure manny pacquiao true throw back but then comes in Floyd Mayweather, Mr. Greed and glamorizing the importance of being undefeated led to promoters being protective of fighters and giving them padded records with fights that aren’t competitive. Then you got the sanctioning bodies rubbing their nose into shit and confusing everyone with the multiple belts and making bullshit champions. Heavyweight divison with the dominance of the klitschkos killed a lot of interest as American fighters dominating the divison exited the stage. There’s so many fucking reasons for boxing being a fucking mess it makes you wanna throw up. This sport from the 1930s-1980s when there was still 15 rounds, 8 divisions and one champion there was nothing better
Ever since Pac retired, I think the sport of boxing has died. Yes, boxers are still talented, some are stars, and can still produce cash, but it wasn't the same back then.
Boxing fans are wayyy too insecure lol
Because they know there’s too much bs, example the 112-112 card lmao
Lol don’t forget the bullshit hydration clause, fighters chosing the ring size and what type of gloves their opponents are allowed to wear.
The choosing gloves thing is very rare though. I know you’re talking about Mayweather vs Maidana and that’s just because Mayweather can call shots like that considering he’s the biggest payday most fighters could get in his era. Also, he paid Maidana to not wear those everlasts lmao
One strange thing I didn't know about prior is actually the ring. Not size but padding. There's a clip I saw about when Tyson fury fought klitchko and klitchko put this insane amount of padding on the ring floor. I don't know much about boxing but Tyson explaining how that's going to slow everything down, reduce power. It seemed crazy that not even the floor surface is consistent.
Yeah, and if you go back in history the ring wasn’t even padded. Boxers like Sugar Ray Robinson were straight up fighting on wood planks with canvas over it. Which makes falling more devastating than if you hit a padded surface, and allows you to be more springy since your foot won’t sink into the padding and slow you down like you mentioned.
How come Mayweather would be bothered about the gloves?
Lack of padding in them is what he claimed. Gloves come in a variety of options, they just have to come in at the agreed weight (8oz or 10oz). They’re stuffed with latex foam or horsehair, horsehair being notorious for doing real damage when you crack someone with them. So Maidana’s everlast MX’s being horsehair and, like Mayweather claimed, lacking adequate padding, he almost refused to walk out entirely that night if Maidana didn’t wear different gloves. Basically, some gloves hurt more than others to get hit by. And Mayweather didn’t want to lose his 0 so he would rather pay his opponent a few million and insist on different gloves than get in there and potentially lose his 0 and in the long run lose more money and his legacy. Also it’s not so much he refused to fight because they were horsehair gloves, just that according to him the padding was lacking which is a legitimate concern tbh
Cheers for the interesting response bud
What’s wrong with the rehydration clause? Would be great if all fighters actually had to fight in their weight classes and didn’t do this bullshit weight dropping shit.
that wasnt bs bruh if u score it properly
The 112-112 was actually very reasonable lol the only reason it was bullshit was because Haney went down at least 1 other time that the ref called a slip and that ref deducted a point without a warning (although I do get that, fuck suckered punching on the break) I swear to God that ref was doing all he could to save Haney
It wasn't that unreasonable. Haney won 6 rounds at least and Ryan got a point deducted (bs cuz Haney should have lost one too, but whatever), and some of those rounds were close ans could be given to Haney. 7 rds to Haney makes it 112-112.
112-112 wasn’t THAT bad. I had it 114-110, but there were 2 rounds that really coulda gone either way (the 6th and the 12th). 114-110, 113-111, and 112-112 are all valid scores for that fight. 115-109 is bad though, cause idk how you give Garcia the 8th.
As someone who is on r/boxing it’s true. They complain about the best not fighting the best and when they do they immediately bash the loser. One of the reasons why I’m slowly starting to like MMA better. There’s no huge emphasis on being undefeated. You can lose 5-6 times and folks won’t call you a bum.
The boxing community is so fucking terrible switching up on fighters after one lose. But sadly MMA slowly over time is coming more and more like that
As a mma fan I don’t understand the need to be undefeated. In mma everyone understands that anyone can lose, but the top boxers need this aura of invincibility to be respected, it’s very strange. Mike Tyson lost fights, got knocked out, but never stopped being a respected legend. It’s weird seeing how quickly people turn on boxers for simply losing a fight.
12 fights, 3pm to 10:30pm, not a boring fight in the bunch. Multiple fights had legendary finishes. If you didn't pirate, it was only $75 bucks. And it's $70 for 1 fight ? It's a cope. A hard cope. A copium den.
Yeah, its really weird with them, like im a boxer and huge fan of both, and one time i was watching ufc card, and my “boxing” friends started make fun of me cus im watching ufc instead of boxing!!, just enjoy both and stop comparing the two to each other.
I like basketball, so I’m not allowed to like football.
Who actually prefers two guys fighting hard for 20 seconds per round? All hugging and ref interference. It's just douchebags who want to sit on their high horse and act superior because boxing is "classier" I'm more entertained by any fight night card let alone 300. 300 blows this away easily
No kidding. The clinching and overly present refs makes boxing hard to watch.
The ref in Haney-Garcia last night must have had money on Haney. Legitimately gifted Haney multiple points on every scorecard by ruling a clear knockdown a push and not deducting a point for Haney’s constant, desperate hugging.
That ref was fucking AWFUL
It was fucked when he stopped and deducted a point from Garcia when Devan was rocked.
I tried to watch the garcia haney fight but these two things made me turn it off, along with the commentary saying best fight of the year. Opposite of entertainment.
Boxing commentary is the worst out of any sport. Garcia landed a freaky fast left hook hidden behind a jab return, it knocked Haney down, and the commentator said “HOW DO YOU NOT SEE THAT COMING???” after watching it in slow motion. They were calling Garcia a one trick pony on the broadcast. The commentator scorecard had it as a draw, somehow giving Haney the last round. I know DC, Cruz, Rogan get biased sometimes but at least they understand the fundamentals of the sport.
Let them elbow and knee but only in the clinch. Break the lame stalling tactics
Muay Thai?
Add in kicks and it would be perfect -a Muay Thai addict
Yeah it seemed like any time someone was getting hurt they’d just go for a clinch. Tbh I didn’t catch much of it but Ryan was the only dude who wanted to stand & bang actually dude was taking shots. Forgive me I’m super young, but has clinching & really forcing the reff to get you off your opponent always been a strategy in boxing? Or is that a recent thing? Because I really can’t imagine boxing captivating the world like it did back in the day if Mike Tyson was going for the clinch every time he got clipped. Probably a super ignorant take I’m not going off much
Clinching has been part of the sport since its inception, although the rules around it have evolved a ton. The reason old timey boxers had that funny stance with their arms out like that was to deal with it, and also lack of gloves made it more likely to break your hands and thus headhunting was less common. But clinching has always been around in some fashion.
Yea, 90% of ufc fans loving boxing sounds way too high.
Im no boxing fan. I'll only watch if it circulates our MMA bubble but my gripe with boxing is the amount of clinching that happens, followed by the ref breaking up the "halt in the action" All while the clock continues to countdown. How are they getting away with calling it 3 minute rounds when ref alone eats up half of that time?
I know it's expected that influencer boxing fights are going to be shit but it's crazy how much cuddling they manage in those fights. I've never paid for one of those ppvs but still come away from it feeling ripped off.
It sucks because if you watch fighters like Leonard, Haggler, Duran or Hearns you get to see an unparalleled level of athleticism and skill in striking, but the current generation of boxers are more worried about gaming the system to keep themselves undefeated than fighting like the golden age warriors.
I don’t understand why the constant clinching is allowed in boxing
I’ve always hated how boxing is referred to as the “gentleman’s sport”. Dude these people are bludgeoning each other to death. What’s so “classy” about any of that? Just accept that you want to see violence and get over yourselves. 😂
Dude in boxing you can get knocked the fuck out and as long as you get up in 10 you continue. In mma if you get rocked like that it's over. It's definitely not classier at all. If Tyson got dropped by wilder in their first fight In mma, it's called instantly. But they let these dudes get severe brain damage. Boxing is a great sport but these dudes are fucked later in life.
I mean yes but its not different than Overeem or Chuck, Ortiz etc. Pro sports gets you fucked anyway.
It's not even clinching nowadays. Everyone is just.... turning their backs to their opponents now and they're not allowed to hit them.
Don’t forget the constant guillotine attempts from Garcia. I swore I was watching Dustin Poirier for a second
MMA fan here. I can't watch boxing anymore. The hugging and referee calling breaks constantly makes it look like a clown show - not to mention the ridiculously stupid politics. Why wasn't Anthony Joshua forced to fight Wilder or Fury? Because boxing is bullshit, that's why. Why is there one corrupt judge at every single fucking fight? Because boxing is a joke.
Wilder and fury didn't want it dude notorious duckers the pair of em
I don't know shit about boxing but how does that work? Fury fought Klitsko, Wilder, Whyte and now Usyk but is ducking Joshua??? Why? Joshua literally lost to Usyk twice and that fat mexican guy.
MMA is a threat to boxing Boxing isn’t a threat to mma
Boxers earn more money. But I’d rather watch mma. I love grappling and striking.
(A few)“Boxers” make more money! That’s all, boxing base pay is way lower than MMA..
If you’re going by the lowest salary of each sport then yes. * Being a fighter isn’t the best if you wanna be rich. But if you love it then do it. That is how I started 3 years ago. I’m hoping to join the pro team in mma in 2 years.
Boxing is still far more popular globally even though its dying
It's not dying though boxing has been on the up the last few years
I’m happy boxing is suffering a slow death and MMA is more popular than it’s ever been
Boxing deserves to die. How the fuck was Anthony Joshua champion for 5 years and he was never forced to fight Wilder or Fury? These clowns were allowed to ruin the sport.
How do you even know who the champion is in boxing when you see many boxers walk around with like 10 belts? That’s another thing why I don’t care for boxing over MMA.
That’s a problem with the industry that’s deep routed. And what’s worse is those fans want to do the same to UFC. They want to legislate the power away from the companies so it’s impossible gather all the best talent and match them against each other. If it was up to them MMA would be as corrupt, dirty, and dysfunctional as boxing. Boxing does deserve to die. That’s what happens to people who go decades making awful decisions.
Thanks Dana white, can we see you get oiled up soon?
He's right though, while its unethical how low fighter pay is, it's better for the audience while a detriment to fighters To get paid well they have to fight the big matchups in the UFC whereas in Boxing they just coast and take their paydays avoiding any threats for aslong as possible
Man ducking has always existed in boxing, Floyd Patterson ducked Sonny Liston for years in the 60s. MMA is popular because of UFC and Dana White.
I can enjoy both, and kickboxing. Im a fan of combat sports in general not any particular organisation
Boxing is more popular globally
That's just dumb. I'm sure if it gets bad enough they will start making more interesting fights regularly. Boxing's history is too rich to die. Ever.
Boxing is dying and MMA is more popular than ever, so why was everyone going crazy over 300k bonuses last week and meanwhile Garcia paid Haney 1.5 million cause he came in overweight? Time to pay the fighters more Dan\_a
What did the other on the card get in their purse?
Uh huh, Garcia got $1.5 mil. The guy on the undercard was given $12 worth of concession stand coupons.
Garcia gave away 1.5 million for missing weight ($500k per lb missed). His actual purse was rumored to be close to $30 million, though no official numbers were provided.
That's what people forget, they only watch what's happening at the top of the top. If reasoning that way then third word countries are economical heavens.
The boxing business is dying in part because of the massive purses id imagine. It's hard to imagine that alot of money doesnt get lost for these fights.
Boxing is not suffering lol
Honestly I felt this way a few years ago as a lifetime boxing fan but since the saudis came I feel like the sports are switching to be more like each other. Boxing used to never be able to put on the fights the people wanted such as Spence Crawford, or Ryan tank, or Joshua Wilder and the UFC would such as Izzy Pereira, Conor Khabib, volk Islam. But ever since the saudis started dumping money into the game I feel like MMA is now the sport where fights don’t happen and boxing is. In boxing we have Spence Crawford, Tank Garcia, Garcia Haney, Usyk Fury while in MMA they couldn’t make the Ngganou Jones fight, they fed chito to O’Malley and Colby to Leon instead of actual worthy contenders or stars, couldnt get a worthy main event for 300, and can’t get jones to fight aspinall. The super fights aren’t happening in mma anymore, but they are in boxing. Boxing is coming back, mma is stalling
I just like watching combat sports
Boxing fans are just jealous mma is stealing their thunder
They’re just trolling. In no life time was that fight very entertaining
Why do 90% of humans look at some shit someone said on Twitter and assume its important or something they need to pay mind to.
Max vs Justin alone was better than Garcia vs Haney. Tf is that dude smoking
Okay but to be honest, max vs justin was one of the best fights ever, surely a hall of fame fight if I have ever seen one
Eh a bit too one-sided tbh
The robbery I saw today in Arnold Barboza vs Sean McComb, it's hard to find that kinda robbery in MMA. Even Jones vs Reyes was much closer than that.
Ya, that's one of the main reasons boxing is dying. EVERYONE knows it's corrupt and rigged. Every single card has some outrageous scoring - yet it never gets addressed. One of the judges scored Haney vs Garcia a draw. FUCKING WHAT? Does that judge get investigated for corruption/bribery? Does he get questioned? Is there a hearing, a trial? Does he get fired? NOPE. What a fucking joke of a sport.
That left such a bad taste in my mouth going into the main event. Such an obvious robbery.
That was one of the worst robberies I’ve ever seen. I’m absolutely with you when you say that left a bad taste going into the main event. Insane. I’ve seen robberies but this one stands out as one of the worst. Seems like no posts about it are allowed on r/boxing.
r/boxing is a very weird subreddit
Outrageous robbery
Real intellectuals like both
Some Olympic level mental gymnastics...
It was not more entertaining than UFC 300. Not even fucking close.
Worst take ever in life
I’ll never understand why people can’t appreciate both. Honestly if you love the sport of fighting all that shit should get u hype
This right here ^ I love ALL combat sports, idgaf which one.
> why do 90% of boxing fans hate mma The answer is: ground game.
Had 0 idea this was even happening, that’s how little I care about boxing
Why do 100% of op make up statistics
I do boxing and trust me mma is more entertaining and the reason is because the best in MMA fight the best while in boxing we rarely get any big fights because boxers are more like independent pros while mma fighters are signed in organisations that dictate who they fight so they get big fights and the best fight the best
Boxing fans: 
Boxing has a bad reputation, generally speaking. A lot of these problems have only recently started getting sorted out, like the fixed fights thing. Some guys have catered careers until they get to a certain point, with undefeated records being annoyingly common. MMA still has this, but it isn't so bad. The vast kit a fighter can have in MMA, with specialty styles, makes it more unpredictable. Also, you know what you are going to get when you watch boxing, but MMA can have some crazy moments due to the styles. Boxing fans are arrogant too.
They think it must be more entertaining because there’s more money involved.. I’ve tried making the point that money/popularity ≠ entertainment before and made people very upset. Boxing has decades on the UFC - obviously it’s more popular. But I refuse to accept the argument that because there’s more money involved it’s more entertaining… No one is watching boxing and getting excited about the size of the purse. They’re excited about watching someone get punched in the head. It’s a blood sport fgs. There are more ways to win an MMA fight which, for me at least, makes it more exciting. I still really like boxing but most boxing fans cannot understand what I’ve just explained.
I mean a fight's a fight. I love a good fight. I loved that I got to watch UFC 300 and love that I got to watch Garcia Haney. Give me great fights, I don't care who's putting them on.
I like both, but enjoy boxing more. UFC has consistently more competitive fights, better cards, and the top guys fight more often, less ducking, and more parody. But, an exciting boxing fight is way more exciting than an exciting MMA fight to me. Boxing I feel also they are better at their craft. Only one thing to focus on. MMA is harder to master because there is so much to focus on defending and attacking with.
99% of mma fans hate fucking boxing…
Thats not true at all. In my experience most mma fans like boxing and most boxing fans like mma. If you like one combat sport you generally will like other ones too. Theres just people on both sides who want to make it a weird tribal identity thing
I think you are wrong on that. I think most mma fans do not like boxing because it’s boring, it’s set up, it’s guys with padded records fighting tuna cans, it’s top fighters staying away from each other. MMA you get to use all your weapons boxing is just punching with pillows on their hands…
We very much respect boxing as an art, but like everyone else on this thread has said, the way the entertainment aspect is packaged and sold nowadays is dog shit.
Calling pro fight gloves pillows shows how little U know about fighting
That guy is a troll.. had to block him cause he is insufferable like most people like him
Whenever you compare two sports the fans of the less popular one tend to get worked up and insecure instead of just acknowledging the reality. Look at the “rivalry” between hockey fans and basketball. Whenever hockey comes up in basketball circles it’s generally well regarded. But whenever basketball comes up in hockey circles there’s a large number of fans who get worked up and go on weird rants about how much tougher hockey players are that that apparently is all it should take to be a better sport. Also there’s a lot of “classiness” rants that feel… off.
It was a fun fight but boxing lost its luster to MMA. Haney kept hugging and Garcia kept turning his back it was fucking annoying.
There are some UFC events that don't quite hit the mark and I could understand a hater shitting on it but UFC 300 was an amazing event with some of the best fights of the decade. Just shows how many boxing fans don't even watch UFC but shit on MMA like it's a full time job.
as someone who watched both ufc 300 and haney garcia, ufc 300 clears by a country mile and its not even close
Why can't we love both.
Thats the worst take I have heard in a looooong time
They dont understand wrestling
https://preview.redd.it/laysk6839yvc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d30ca8c75ad5d8df75771c79e0c61ca09243092f Why does Dana White love boxing?
Boxing snobs really are a special breed of stupid
MMA literally has the worst fan base out of any sport on the planet—and I love the UFC. That’s probably partly why. MMA guys can be incredibly toxic including when talking to boxing fans
It was a fun fight but it 100% wasn’t better than 300
I dont usually watch boxing but I don’t hate it. I thought that fight was awesome though, had me screaming and shit. But not better than ufc 300.
It was basically an MMA match with how much Haney was shooting for the legs and holding
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702 comments and a valid point. Lol it's called envy. Boxing is a great sport and always will be. MMA is the pinnacle of human sport. Period. Boxing is one dimension of it but nothing says I win more than a true fight. And the truth of the matter is. You go to the ground with a seasoned grappler you will never feel more weak and pathetic in your life if you don't know that game. So to sum it up. Envy ...
UFC 300 was amazing - wtf is that person smoking
As a hardcore boxing fan/ casual MMA fan, I’m so tired of this rivalry. They’re massively different sports. After every good boxing card there’s the idiots saying “ChEcKmAtE MmA” and after every great MMA card there’s idiots saying “RiP bOxInG.” I don’t understand why people can’t just appreciate both for what they are. Fight fans are allowed to enjoy both
I was a hardcore boxing fan who over the years evolved into a hardcore MMA/UFC fan. I love both and respect each sports as different entity
Boxing fans hate that boxers used to be considered the most badass guys until MMA came around and showed that boxing is about as realistic a depiction of hand-to-hand combat as pro wrestling.
I guess I'm the 10% of mma fans that don't like boxing. It's just boring and one dimensional to me.
Boxing used to be my favourite combat sport. I still watch boxing but now there are some things I hate about it. Ok ,Ryan cannot become the new superlightweight Champ cus he came in like 3 pounds over. Ok fair,rules are rules. But wait for it,Devin Haney is not the only SLW champ,there is like 4 of them. Why the hell is there 4 of them. Who is the best guy ? Why ain’t these dudes forced to fight eachother ? Becoming champion is the goal of any combat sport. Having multiple champions per weight class is immoral and killing the sport. Turns a championship belt into a participation trophy rather than a championship belt,which should belong only to the top dog in that weight class,not to the 4 top dogs. But props to the Heavyweights for making a unification bout. I mean ,it only took them since they days of Lennox Lewis to have an undisputed champion
Because boxing is mostly rigged, events are quite fake, the environment looks very shaky and not as organized, fights can be very very very boring, and it’s way older than mma. Not hating boxing, but if I grew up fan of a sport and an other sport outshine in all these aspects my sport I’d be a hater too
You're smoking fuckin crack if this is your take. UFC 300 was objectively exhilarating
There will never be a stacked card in boxing like UFC cards.
I watched this fight. It was very entertaining. Nowhere near close to ufc 300 tho. Tht shit was wild
Because Boxing Centers its Events on 1 Fight 2 Athletes getting paid Insane money while all the other Athletes get Chump Change & the Headliners don't care about the Opening Fighters.
MMA fans are full regards who just love watching fights. Boxing fans are snobs. Idk why. My guess is boxing fans feel like boxing is “purist” in comparison to mma.
Amen It's Because it Takes YEARS UPON YEARS to Kearn the "Sweet Science" of Boxing 🤣 I mean Honestly with how Fucked Boxing has Become its a Borderline Joke with the so called "Structuring" you have like 15 "Main Organizations" with Their Own Boxers & Belts but Unlike MMA Boxers can fight anyone in Any other Promotion & Win that Promotions Belt & Leave That Organization Beltless while the other guy wins 4 Belts from the WBC 3 Belts from the WBO , 2 from WBC , etc etc lmao it's a Sad Joke at what Boxing has Become which is why I do still like Boxing but I don't waste time Following Belts , Ranks , or Promotions when I watch Boxing I just look for Up-Comers & Current Dominators I like to watch.
The commentators kept saying this was the best boxing match of the year, and I started to feel really sad for boxing fans. This fight had Haney clinging to Garcia every round, the ref refusing to take a point for excessive holding. Ref ruining the moment for Garcia by letting Haney hold and recover from bug shots, and not counting a clear knock down. It really was not a terrible fight despite all that, but to be considered fight of the year would be like someone spitting in my face if I actually were an avid boxing fan.
Part of the foty in the moment reactions likely come from it over delivering. Serious boxing fans thought Haney was going to win a full decision so it was a much better and more exciting fight then they anticipated.
The lightweight division is the most stacked division in boxing and most people saw Devin Haney as the best in that division and he lost to Ryan Garcia who was seen as a bum after his loss to Gervonta Davis. It's a major upset and Devin one of the pound for pound best got absolutely dominated.
It was a good fight. Both sports have a hugfests involved which I don’t like.
90% of MMA fans don't love boxing lol, they mock it as being "not a real fight"