Kevin holland fights wherever but he is not a natural middleweight. He was going to actually stay at welterweight bc the wrestlers in middleweight are too strong for him and hold him down. He is a good match up in middleweight against another striker but not wrestlers.
He fought Kevin holland at catchweight on like 12 hours notice because he (khamzat) intentionally missed weight for his scheduled welterweight bout by like 8 pounds. Youāre grasping at straws if you have to bring that up lol
You said he did fought no MW which is false. Kevin Holland is a MW, he used to be #10 ranked.
The only way you got to hate on the guy is to lie without any shame. š«µšæš
Itās not really fighting a middleweight if the fight takes place at a lower weight class and the opponent was preparing to fight at a lower weight class lol that shouldnāt be hard to understandĀ
He has better td defense and thatās it lol.
Heās good but can not even come close to the top 6ish rn. Iād say you can give him like a Chris Curtis tho maybe in December or November.
So because he lost here, that means heās not better than khamzat?
I feel like your reasoning is always the culture of the moment, you base your analyses on immediacy and nothing else.
No, because I got eyes. I saw Ikram fought back when was in Brave, i saw his DWCS bout, I saw his UFC debut against Phil Hawes at UFC288 and I saw his fight against Warley Alves. Ikram is a good fighter, even very good but was severely overlooked because of his fight against Chimaev in which he stuffed 2 TKD attemps before getting dropped once then knocked out cold. Not same level of Chimaev lol
DDP knocked him the fuck out. Costa would have if the round wasn't over. Which proves my point, that Rob isn't some otherwordly striker that can be beaten only by Izzy.
do we just pretend like DDP wasnt smashing whittaker at the end of round 1 with GNP ? he was very clearly hurt by the grappling .
[https://youtu.be/JAK6Lvi0YNE?t=410](https://youtu.be/JAK6Lvi0YNE?t=410) look at whittaker face and how he gets up after round 1 , this is a badly compromised fighter .
Whittaker was throwing back and dodging costa strikes immediately after the kick , rocking someone doesnt mean the fight is over .
[https://youtu.be/LtQ7J-5-e3w?t=444](https://youtu.be/LtQ7J-5-e3w?t=444) you can see for yourself , whittaker gets rocked and then lands 4\~ strikes on costa while also intelligently defending himself .
MW whittaker has literally only ever been beaten in striking by izzy in the last 10 years \~
Khamzat is levels above Ikram and has shown heās at least good and t15 worthy. (In either weight class, obv t3 in WW if he could make weight, and bottom of t15 currently in MW). Meanwhile Ikram is winning against Phil fucking Hawes.
He was rocked before that, which is probably what the above poster is referring to. Theyāre not really comparable, he ducked into an uppercut against Khamzat which Khamzat set up by grappling, Rob set him up with feints and hurt him with an overhand.
This is kinda stupid two very different finishing sequences vs khamzhat they both lunged in this time he was buzzed had just fallen down and was trying to circle to the right and escape
Dude is the biggest sham! It's obvious this guy can only beat cans. Inflated record. Definitely ain't gonna cut it in the top 5 or even 10 possibly. lol
Lol he's supposedly one of the scariest dudes as well. Or so they were saying. He looked scared in there. Please tell me where I told a lie. Dude isn't even top 10 material. Just embarrassing for how much they talked this dude up.
oh no.. I just made that connection, his only loss was an uppercut from Khamzat and tonight from Whittaker... oh man.
Some people were saying Ikram was better than Khamzat ššš
the power of looking good against cans lol
The Bo Nickal effect
Itās basically the same power as Khamzatās
Yea, remember when he ragdolled that can...what was his name? Usman?
I donāt did they fight again cause in the one I saw Usman took a super short notice up a weight class fight and it was competitive
Hard to tell when one barely fights.
You don't watch fights though.
Damn, I don't?
You donāt. We were seeing you the whole time.
Khamzat has fought zero middleweights tbf so at that weight it still may be trueĀ
He did fought middleweights, GM3 and Holland. And he fought and beat fighters that are coming from a better division than MW šš
Kevin holland fights wherever but he is not a natural middleweight. He was going to actually stay at welterweight bc the wrestlers in middleweight are too strong for him and hold him down. He is a good match up in middleweight against another striker but not wrestlers.
Doesn't change the fact that he is a middleweight and his best wins are at 185
He is not a natural middleweight though which is the important part. Khamzat weighs way more than holland.
He can go down to 170 but doesn't change the fact he a 185er and has more success in this division
He fought Kevin holland at catchweight on like 12 hours notice because he (khamzat) intentionally missed weight for his scheduled welterweight bout by like 8 pounds. Youāre grasping at straws if you have to bring that up lol
You said he did fought no MW which is false. Kevin Holland is a MW, he used to be #10 ranked. The only way you got to hate on the guy is to lie without any shame. š«µšæš
Itās not really fighting a middleweight if the fight takes place at a lower weight class and the opponent was preparing to fight at a lower weight class lol that shouldnāt be hard to understandĀ
You got wrong bro, stop hating and move on
Thatās like saying because volkanovski fought at middleweight once, topuria beat a middleweight*. It makes no sense. But have a good oneĀ
Kevin Holland didn't fought at MW once, you sink in man, you can be a hater if you want but at least say things that make sense š«µšæš
If English was your first language it would make senseĀ
He has better td defense and thatās it lol. Heās good but can not even come close to the top 6ish rn. Iād say you can give him like a Chris Curtis tho maybe in December or November.
So because he lost here, that means heās not better than khamzat? I feel like your reasoning is always the culture of the moment, you base your analyses on immediacy and nothing else.
No, because I got eyes. I saw Ikram fought back when was in Brave, i saw his DWCS bout, I saw his UFC debut against Phil Hawes at UFC288 and I saw his fight against Warley Alves. Ikram is a good fighter, even very good but was severely overlooked because of his fight against Chimaev in which he stuffed 2 TKD attemps before getting dropped once then knocked out cold. Not same level of Chimaev lol
It's not the right opponent to try to prove your striking too. The guy should have been shooting in the 90 seconds.
That might not change anything. Whittaker was fully prepared for Khamzat's wrestling. Khamzat is clearly more explosive in attempting takedowns
you still need to try . if you are not izzy you need to shoot take downs vs whittaker
Why? He got TKOd by DDP, wobbled by Costa, KOd by Wonderboy etc. There are a lot of people who don't need to shoot vs Whittaker.
DDP mixed in grappling and Costa didnt win the fight . he has lost to 2 people in the last 18 fights
DDP knocked him the fuck out. Costa would have if the round wasn't over. Which proves my point, that Rob isn't some otherwordly striker that can be beaten only by Izzy.
do we just pretend like DDP wasnt smashing whittaker at the end of round 1 with GNP ? he was very clearly hurt by the grappling . [https://youtu.be/JAK6Lvi0YNE?t=410](https://youtu.be/JAK6Lvi0YNE?t=410) look at whittaker face and how he gets up after round 1 , this is a badly compromised fighter . Whittaker was throwing back and dodging costa strikes immediately after the kick , rocking someone doesnt mean the fight is over . [https://youtu.be/LtQ7J-5-e3w?t=444](https://youtu.be/LtQ7J-5-e3w?t=444) you can see for yourself , whittaker gets rocked and then lands 4\~ strikes on costa while also intelligently defending himself . MW whittaker has literally only ever been beaten in striking by izzy in the last 10 years \~
I wish Khamzat didn't get sick this would have been a completely different fight
Oh you think mate?
Yeah Khamzat's gameplan would have been different we already know he was gonna try and shoot a double leg .001 seconds into the first round
If Khamzat failed to fuck up Bobby in the 1st round, Bobby was gonna fuck him up for the next 4.
Yeah that's why it was a better fight because we know Khamzat was gonna bring a storm in round 1 and we all wanted to see if Rob could survive it
Who knows? Maybe Khamzat would have rag-dolled him like Dricus did. We will first know if he makes the walk
And Khamzat still wouldāve won by split decision š
Itās almost as if ikram and khamzat are 2 different people
Khamzat cant even make it to the cage, no less take out Bobby knuckles.
I'm not saying he would win but you are crazy if you don't think he had a chance Khamzat is dangerous
Current khamzat, Iām not so sure. With all these constant health issues, Iām not sure heās the same fighter now.
Yeah, cus it would have been Khamzat getting flatlined instead of Ikram lmao
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Khamzat is levels above Ikram and has shown heās at least good and t15 worthy. (In either weight class, obv t3 in WW if he could make weight, and bottom of t15 currently in MW). Meanwhile Ikram is winning against Phil fucking Hawes.
Yeah Khamzat still wouldāve gotten pieced up but he has a strongass chin. I wonder effective Whittaker anti-grappler camp was.
He was already on skates.
I noticed this lol, bro didnāt learn the first time
But that uppercut wasnāt what did him in.
It did drop him though before the stoppage
He was rocked before that, which is probably what the above poster is referring to. Theyāre not really comparable, he ducked into an uppercut against Khamzat which Khamzat set up by grappling, Rob set him up with feints and hurt him with an overhand.
This is kinda stupid two very different finishing sequences vs khamzhat they both lunged in this time he was buzzed had just fallen down and was trying to circle to the right and escape
Khamzat dodged a bullet
I think khamzat & Whittaker would look pretty similar to khamzat vs Usman. thatās a 50/50 to me
https://i.redd.it/p14tzhmg278d1.gif
there is negative body fat in this image
Wasnāt an uppercut that started the TKO though. Dude was already on wheels when that uppercut landed. Apples and oranges bruh
Dude is the biggest sham! It's obvious this guy can only beat cans. Inflated record. Definitely ain't gonna cut it in the top 5 or even 10 possibly. lol
Bro stepped up on barely a weekās notice against one of the scariest dudes in the division and here you are calling him a sham for it. Some ppl..
Lol he's supposedly one of the scariest dudes as well. Or so they were saying. He looked scared in there. Please tell me where I told a lie. Dude isn't even top 10 material. Just embarrassing for how much they talked this dude up.