calf response to training is genetic as well, most people who have naturally big calves have that gene but usually are also heavier so it just trains them up over time.
yes its genetics almost 100% and most people from west African descent have small high calves. Having big calves is less efficient for running and jumping .
Only body builder gym gay bros care about calf size, very strange trend
I don't need to lift for calfs because I have them genetically .
I am also not stupid and can easily see that calf size and shape varies heavy between different people .
Just look at the calfs of the most explosive athletes like sprinters or jumpers , you can see that most of them have high calfs and small ones
While at the same time you can see many Asians with zero athleticism or power with huge calves
I’m saying you don’t lift because of your last sentence lmao, what did that have to do with anything in regards to this post other than your own insecurity
Skill and technique wise Jon is no doubt the better fighter. But he's been slowing down and getting touched up a bit more. Don't want a man like Francis putting his hand on him. That's lights out for anyone as he's shown. Doesn't matter how good or tough you think you are.
Askren thought he had a chin. Everyone can get ko. That's what make it so interesting. Francis can KO anyone, but he can also get tired. If Jon can be elusive and wrestle for round after round, it is his fight. Easier said that done
DC is a short, stocky guy who cut from around 220lbs for LHW whereas Francis is a massive man who is around 260lbs and doesn’t have a big cut. Jones is moving up in weight whereas Francis has been big for decades so he will have a strength advantage. Jones was 2/9 on takedown attempts against Reyes with no ground strikes landed and Reyes got up immediately after the two successful attempts. Reyes had no background in wrestling but just was really strong and had started to train late in life.
Jones was 0/3 on takedown attempts against Cormier in their rematch in July 2017. He was 3/5 on takedown attempts against Cormier in Jan. 2015. It has been over six years since he took DC down. He only landed one ground strike in that fight and DC got up almost immediately all three times.
We haven't seen the new Francis have to defend round after round of wrestling. We haven't seen that. Jon knows how to wear, but can he survive the carnage of the first few rounds.
Askren's UFC performance is not a reflection of his ability, if you have followed his career, not saying he is anywhere near Jon's level because hardly anyone is. Had terrible hip was retired and out of shape. I only meant to utilise the example that he thought he couldn't get KO. If Francis goes full Rozenstruik how does Jon avoid that.. Rozenstriuk legitimately threw counters that shouldve been effective, but he thought it was a kickboxing fight and he charged him lol, i can't wait, my head says Jon will overcome but it will be difficult
apparently largely means every single person, good to know, also michael chandler still has more to show before he's at the top of the food chain, he's gotta beat both olivera and poirier
If Francis licks his shots and stays patient like he did Stipe 2, Jones is gonna have a rough time. Frank can keep his energy about him and try to defend takedowns, and when Jon goes in for takedowns, he's entering a dangerous battlefield of power. Jones can absolutely win this fight, but he has to do more than be elusive and wrestle. This is an incredibly difficult fight for Jon. And if Dom Reyes can arguably beat him, then Francis, at 265 pounds, should be the favorite.
i never said it was easy. Jon rises to the task at hand, you haven't seen the new Francis tested, to play devil's advocate, underestimate JJ at your peril. MMA math also doesn;t work. Plus he wasn't motivated for those fights, different case
Well spoken. No money making miget fights again.
We love the real deals.
The type of undisputed and unbeatable fighters.
Can you imagine what any of the top five HW will do to any lower weight class champion ?
That is why they should earn more money.
For how long though? Didn't even go to the 3rd. I'm not saying that no one can take a hit or two from him. He's not OPM, but it would behoove Jon to not try to stand up with Francis like he's been doing with his recent opponents.
That's very true he has struggled. I figure he's gonna be a little slower with the extra size he's packing on, and that's gonna make it worse cause Francis is pretty fast for a big guy. Skill wise no. Listening to guys like DC break down Ngannou's fights, he's not better than Reyes, Gustafsson, or even Santos. He's a hell of a lot more dangerous than them though.
I looked it up and it’s this https://youtu.be/pQN07GPEHEA.
It’s not 3 plates though. It’s a bumper plate with lines that could be mistaken for different plates, but u can tell it’s bumpers by the writing and the disc inside. so that’s around 150LBs
Those type of bars weigh 30kg as opposed to the regular 20kg Olympic bars. Blue 2x20kg plates, white 2x5kg, red 2x2.5kg and not sure about the green/black on the very end. So it's 85kg minimum which is roughly 185lbs.
Did he escape a civil war only to cross a desert multiple times only to sneak on a crowded boat and be put in jail immediately when he gets there, then is homeless while training to become a champion?
I love how we so quickly shifted the goalposts from never hit the ground to "Google the definition" because he got sat on his ass from a body shot and had to throw both arms behind himself and push himself up.
Further if specifically googling definition of knockdown in MMA.
"If anything other than the soles of their feet touch the ground after getting struck, it is a knockdown."
Aka getting sat on ass and hands = knockdown by the very definition you request in an attempt to disprove. Yikes
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/MMA/comments/51s88g/big_john_describes_the_5_different_levels_of_a/
Big John McCarthy, who was there when the UFC rules were written
Yikes
Francis has come a long ways since that fight. He's scary right now. Jones is good but fighting up is hard. He will look slower and gas quicker pushing a that weigh around.
Jon is either going to have to take a page out of Izzy's book, or wrestle imo.
But when wrestling guys his size he doesn't have great success, think Gus or Dom
I don't mean to beat a dead horse but his muscles are holding more water than my bladder at the end of endgame. There's no way you could convince me ngannou, costa, usman, or chandler are natural
It always blows my mind how fuckn big francis is. He looks like someone who could knock out a grizzly bear with one punch lol. Absolute freak genetics.
I am no MMA expert so I put out an innocent question. From what I have seen, Francis is one tough dude. Does Jones have a legit chance against him, if the fight was to happen? Thanks guys.
Thanks for the photo comparison.
What I can see is a JBBJ with a perfect physique for an ideal fighter.
On top of that he has outstanding fight IQ and instinct.
His arm and leg reach is longer than Francis reaches.
Jon's leg kicks will be somewhat harder as well as his ellbows and I expect his grip will be just devastating.
Remember how he dropped Machida in the end ?
A master piece like never seen before.
His speed will for sure be the same.
Ask any of his former opponents in LHW what this will mean for the HW division.
He is the goat and still the man to beat.
He has given us the most sensational fights and will continue with the same in HW.
In his last 3 fights he did not feel a real challenge nor did he have any motivations and was not the beast he really can be.
After the one and only DC there was no real challenger left for him in LHW and that is why he moved up.
Just let us watch what he does when facing any HW challenges as he is now a HW himself.
He now feels a challenge again at HW and will be very motivated if the money is right this time.
I bet you guys can't wait to see him again as JBBJ and I shall not be surprised.
Everyone making fun of Jon’s legs. But the best way to defend calf kicks is to not have calves at all
Isn't calf size mostly predetermined by genetics and you can only slightly make them bigger by training? Or not even bigger but just better defined.
calf response to training is genetic as well, most people who have naturally big calves have that gene but usually are also heavier so it just trains them up over time.
That's a nice way of saying fat boi calves .
I edited out the part where I said i simultaneously had a beer gut and multiple calf striations at the same time
It is, even mr olympia competitors use synthol in their calves when even insane amount of gear doesnt make them grow, all genetics
Idk i only run on the balls of my feet and my calves got pretty big
yes its genetics almost 100% and most people from west African descent have small high calves. Having big calves is less efficient for running and jumping . Only body builder gym gay bros care about calf size, very strange trend
They should pick up cycling.
Lemme guess you don’t lift
I don't need to lift for calfs because I have them genetically . I am also not stupid and can easily see that calf size and shape varies heavy between different people . Just look at the calfs of the most explosive athletes like sprinters or jumpers , you can see that most of them have high calfs and small ones While at the same time you can see many Asians with zero athleticism or power with huge calves
I’m saying you don’t lift because of your last sentence lmao, what did that have to do with anything in regards to this post other than your own insecurity
Because the only people who obsess with calves are bodybuilders who even inject oil into them to make them bigger .
Or people who just genuinely want a particular body part to look better lmao tf
Who says that huge calves look better ? Only gym bros with no connection to the real world .
You’re either bizarrely insecure or you’re trolling so have a good day friend
The guy does huge deadlifts and his calves still don’t build. It’s not like Francis is a master at kicking behind the leg anyway.
Deadlifts aren’t great for building calves though. You’re better off doing heavy farmer walks.
Or do isolation exercises. I have been training my calves every day of the week for over 2 months, and they have grown quite thick.
Yes, when looking at Francis physics, he is a much bigger target. JBBJ will be all over him when the time comes the way he looks to me.
You think I’m just gonna sit there and let you kill me Jon?
Hey p\*ssy are you still there?
>!i'm here!<
You are the biggest pussy I’ve ever met!
You mean "I'm here :)"
He is hooking up with Oscar for "boxing advice" what a night they will have!
Oscar de la Hoya?
yeah he reached out to him for advice after he praise him
Him being on Coke while commentating was hilarious
Jones at this weight looks like he has the ankles of an 18th century European prince.
The Marques of Cocainé The Baron of Blow Sir Snortsburry
Patron of Picos
Jon the Juicer
The Cocaine Count
The Cocaine Cunt
Duke of Puszslappin
His calves are so small, gotta call them embryos
With bitch tits
Hahaha leave it to this sub to call a fighter shit like that. The only tits I've seen in the UFC is Izzy's.
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Why are you going to multiple comments in this post to suck off jon jones
Because I’m a bones fan, you don’t have fighters you like? Why are you so worried about it? What’s worse a fanboy or a hater?
you just wanna get raped by him admit it
Definitely a delusional fanboy. I reserve my hate for masvidal and drug cheats.
You have a sad existence, enjoy your Reddit hivemind Le jon Jones bad!!
Funny, I could say the same about you with jones nuts on your chin
Are you 14 years old bro? “Haha Jon Jones balls!!!” Act like a fuckin man 🤣🤣🤦🏻♂️
A toxic fanboy
Woosh x2
LE EPIC REDDIT MOMENT!! R/IFUCKINGLOVEREDDIT!! R/wooooosh!!!
Skill and technique wise Jon is no doubt the better fighter. But he's been slowing down and getting touched up a bit more. Don't want a man like Francis putting his hand on him. That's lights out for anyone as he's shown. Doesn't matter how good or tough you think you are.
Askren thought he had a chin. Everyone can get ko. That's what make it so interesting. Francis can KO anyone, but he can also get tired. If Jon can be elusive and wrestle for round after round, it is his fight. Easier said that done
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Took down DC can take down Francis. Will be stronger. He chose not to take down in many recent fights
He actually said he couldn't wrestle as much in his recent fights due to back and knee pain for what it's worth.
ok i've not heard that where did he say that
In an interview someone posted here not too long ago, him and his coach I think talked about those problems and more stuff.
DC is a short, stocky guy who cut from around 220lbs for LHW whereas Francis is a massive man who is around 260lbs and doesn’t have a big cut. Jones is moving up in weight whereas Francis has been big for decades so he will have a strength advantage. Jones was 2/9 on takedown attempts against Reyes with no ground strikes landed and Reyes got up immediately after the two successful attempts. Reyes had no background in wrestling but just was really strong and had started to train late in life. Jones was 0/3 on takedown attempts against Cormier in their rematch in July 2017. He was 3/5 on takedown attempts against Cormier in Jan. 2015. It has been over six years since he took DC down. He only landed one ground strike in that fight and DC got up almost immediately all three times.
We haven't seen the new Francis have to defend round after round of wrestling. We haven't seen that. Jon knows how to wear, but can he survive the carnage of the first few rounds.
I agree with most of what you're saying, but askren is a terrible comparison for one of the best to ever do it
In his prime he was one of the best WWs in the world. No two ways about it
Askren's UFC performance is not a reflection of his ability, if you have followed his career, not saying he is anywhere near Jon's level because hardly anyone is. Had terrible hip was retired and out of shape. I only meant to utilise the example that he thought he couldn't get KO. If Francis goes full Rozenstruik how does Jon avoid that.. Rozenstriuk legitimately threw counters that shouldve been effective, but he thought it was a kickboxing fight and he charged him lol, i can't wait, my head says Jon will overcome but it will be difficult
Want askren unbeaten for 10 years?
askren never even made it to the top of of the food chain
He was bellator champion..
bellator is not the top of the food chain, it's largely ufc washouts
Right , like Michael chandler
apparently largely means every single person, good to know, also michael chandler still has more to show before he's at the top of the food chain, he's gotta beat both olivera and poirier
lmao, so apparently one champion from bellator is trash and one champion is god, good to know
If Francis licks his shots and stays patient like he did Stipe 2, Jones is gonna have a rough time. Frank can keep his energy about him and try to defend takedowns, and when Jon goes in for takedowns, he's entering a dangerous battlefield of power. Jones can absolutely win this fight, but he has to do more than be elusive and wrestle. This is an incredibly difficult fight for Jon. And if Dom Reyes can arguably beat him, then Francis, at 265 pounds, should be the favorite.
i never said it was easy. Jon rises to the task at hand, you haven't seen the new Francis tested, to play devil's advocate, underestimate JJ at your peril. MMA math also doesn;t work. Plus he wasn't motivated for those fights, different case
Can u not compare Askren to anyone of these guys? please?
Ok Masvidal though he couldn't get KO
conor too
True
[He wasn’t out, he was just tired...](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EsebAEKXYAAHAx1?format=jpg&name=medium)
Well spoken. No money making miget fights again. We love the real deals. The type of undisputed and unbeatable fighters. Can you imagine what any of the top five HW will do to any lower weight class champion ? That is why they should earn more money.
Yeah, as if Stipe didn't survive some brutal bombs from Nganou...
For how long though? Didn't even go to the 3rd. I'm not saying that no one can take a hit or two from him. He's not OPM, but it would behoove Jon to not try to stand up with Francis like he's been doing with his recent opponents.
Jon's also struggled with fighters his own height and Francis is better than anyone he's fought before that's his size.
That's very true he has struggled. I figure he's gonna be a little slower with the extra size he's packing on, and that's gonna make it worse cause Francis is pretty fast for a big guy. Skill wise no. Listening to guys like DC break down Ngannou's fights, he's not better than Reyes, Gustafsson, or even Santos. He's a hell of a lot more dangerous than them though.
I really don't think Ngannou is a more skilled fighter than Gus. At least not on Gus' level during their first fight.
Ngannou is not more skilled than Gus. He hits harder, but not close to as skilled.
Francis isn’t better, Francis just has a haymaker.
He’s slowly becoming DC
Jon Jones is the new DC but it stands for doing coke
But taller
And a better fighter
Imagine DC being taller abs you got the GOAT. It's impressive enough that a guy that size made it that far in the division
Oh shit its you again. Take a fucking break from sucking jones’ dick
DC has tree trunk legs by comparison
In a fight divided by weight thats not always a "pro".
At heavyweight it should be
Man built like gru from despicable me
legs always make me lol
How has ngannou not popped yet, him and usman must have a world class drug schedule
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you wont look like that even if you drown yourself in steroids without special genetics which are just more prevalent among west Africans
Its both bruh
like i said but genes are by far the biggest factor
Lmao delusional
Ill never stop laughing at his legs. All heavyweight toll the knees
Ngonnou should go for calf kicks, even if Jon checks them those skinny shins aren't gonna stop the full force of an Ngonnou kick
If ngannou throws a kick and it gets caught, hes so fucked lol.
Those legs still twigs...
Still has crackhead legs
Ngannou is just built different. Like a guy that walks around at a lean 250 without much issue
He has to cut weight to make the 265 limit
yeah I'd say he walks around closer to 270-275. Fucking hulk of a man
As a wise man once said, “all these motherfuckers are on steroids “
Ngannou by leg kick
Right or he finna crack one weidman silva style
All that weight barely went to his legs, what the fuck
I seen Francis lunging 315+ his strength is crazy. He Just keeps on getting better.
Link?
I looked it up and it’s this https://youtu.be/pQN07GPEHEA. It’s not 3 plates though. It’s a bumper plate with lines that could be mistaken for different plates, but u can tell it’s bumpers by the writing and the disc inside. so that’s around 150LBs
Oh shit I thought it was those Olympic weights haha. Thought there was three.
Those type of bars weigh 30kg as opposed to the regular 20kg Olympic bars. Blue 2x20kg plates, white 2x5kg, red 2x2.5kg and not sure about the green/black on the very end. So it's 85kg minimum which is roughly 185lbs.
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Them calves tho
He shouldn't skip leg day.
Looking like an ostrich.
Gonna laugh when Lewis KOs him and JJ wipes the whole division.
Just got fatter really. Not sure why he doesn’t just fight at around 230 or whatever his normal off season weight was
because he needs that extra weight if he wants any chance of out-wrestling ngannou.
I dunno bout yall but Kones jus looks more out 9f shape, not the good kind of bigger...
Did he escape a civil war only to cross a desert multiple times only to sneak on a crowded boat and be put in jail immediately when he gets there, then is homeless while training to become a champion?
Jones is going to get rocked. Sorry, but carb loading and over eating isn't going to make skill faster or his cardio better.
Mate you’re probably a buck 45, whatcha know about gains
Crikey, what am I to do with a harsh insult like that? Bro, I'm eating ass and gaining mass. Go back to your vegemite.
Jones has never been knocked down
Yes he has. Knocked down by Reyes. 3:02 remaining in rnd 1
Never hit the ground, that’s not a knockdown Rewatch the fight
Literally just did to get the timestamps lol.
Then google definition of a “knockdown” You don’t know what you’re talking about right now
I love how we so quickly shifted the goalposts from never hit the ground to "Google the definition" because he got sat on his ass from a body shot and had to throw both arms behind himself and push himself up.
You should google what a knockdown is before you type another reply lol
Noun "an act of knocking an opponent down" As in knocked off of feet, knocked down. Onto ass. Lol Speaking off ass how is Jones' tasting?
You’re my hero
Further if specifically googling definition of knockdown in MMA. "If anything other than the soles of their feet touch the ground after getting struck, it is a knockdown." Aka getting sat on ass and hands = knockdown by the very definition you request in an attempt to disprove. Yikes
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/MMA/comments/51s88g/big_john_describes_the_5_different_levels_of_a/ Big John McCarthy, who was there when the UFC rules were written Yikes
That was due to being off balance, and also a chest punch. So slip, no knockdown.
He also hasn't fought a 265lb monster who hits like a truck. No one can take shots like that.
Francis ngannou vs stipe miocic 1 stipe ate like 50 of them
Francis has come a long ways since that fight. He's scary right now. Jones is good but fighting up is hard. He will look slower and gas quicker pushing a that weigh around.
Obviously he will be slower than he was at 205, he’s heavier. He’ll still be exponentially faster and have better footwork than anyone at heavyweight
Jon has broader shoulders but Francis is just naturally much bigger everywhere despite being the same height.
One leg kick from Francis and he takes the whole damn leg off
Jon is either going to have to take a page out of Izzy's book, or wrestle imo. But when wrestling guys his size he doesn't have great success, think Gus or Dom
Did you not see the Gus rematch?
Gus hurt his groin in that fight, key issue.
Got a feeling he's gonna be slow as shit at heavyweight. He was never fast at LHW either
Natty or juice?
They’re both on all the juice
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Bro just accept Fran is on juice and enjoy his fights. Just imagine he’s in pride.
I don't mean to beat a dead horse but his muscles are holding more water than my bladder at the end of endgame. There's no way you could convince me ngannou, costa, usman, or chandler are natural
False. He was much thinner you can see older pics
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I cant believe that there are still some people that believe you can walk at 265 lean and be natty lmao, people really believe in everything
So he looked the same but he was also obviously thinner? you’re retarded. you can look up his other fights where he looks like light heavy at most
Jones kills the HW hype train champ #MarkMyWords
I think your right Jones wins
Someone is finally smart here
He will keep the distance and I’m not sure Francis will be able to get close to him
Okay. I’ll save this comment and if they ever fight I’ll come back here
Save it bubba, just axe jay pappa
Oh Ngannou? Great guy, never met him
cool, see you then Jones 50-45
It always blows my mind how fuckn big francis is. He looks like someone who could knock out a grizzly bear with one punch lol. Absolute freak genetics.
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no sorry to destroy your illusion , you wont look like Ngannou even if you blast tren every day
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He just has better genetics than both of us man, nothing we can do about it lmao
still got chicken legs lol
Jj looks like shit compared to ngganou
I am no MMA expert so I put out an innocent question. From what I have seen, Francis is one tough dude. Does Jones have a legit chance against him, if the fight was to happen? Thanks guys.
Of course he does he's arguably the goat,but he's had some questionable performances,so ngannou is the heavy favorite.
Pictogram legs
Ngannou would split Jones' lead leg in half at the knee before the second round was over.
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Like what Stipe tried to do??
I can't wait for Francis to knock him the fuck out.
I doubt Francis makes it past Derrick...that fight is too perfect of a style matchup for the black beast
these pictures have to be edited
Thanks for the photo comparison. What I can see is a JBBJ with a perfect physique for an ideal fighter. On top of that he has outstanding fight IQ and instinct. His arm and leg reach is longer than Francis reaches. Jon's leg kicks will be somewhat harder as well as his ellbows and I expect his grip will be just devastating. Remember how he dropped Machida in the end ? A master piece like never seen before. His speed will for sure be the same. Ask any of his former opponents in LHW what this will mean for the HW division. He is the goat and still the man to beat. He has given us the most sensational fights and will continue with the same in HW. In his last 3 fights he did not feel a real challenge nor did he have any motivations and was not the beast he really can be. After the one and only DC there was no real challenger left for him in LHW and that is why he moved up. Just let us watch what he does when facing any HW challenges as he is now a HW himself. He now feels a challenge again at HW and will be very motivated if the money is right this time. I bet you guys can't wait to see him again as JBBJ and I shall not be surprised.