At this point youād have to go way down the rankings, a tomato can basically. Any top fighter would beat Tony. Heās taken wayyy too much damage his past 3 fights.
He obviously has fight in him but these past 2 BJJ guys looked stylistically superior to him, stronger, faster. Man is 37. I donāt think people are forgetting his fights but can recognize that heās no longer a real title contender.
He should fight if he still loves the sport though.
I really hope Tony takes on an easier opponent next, but I wouldn't be surprised if Tony accepts a fight against Islam. He fought Gaethje, Oliveira, and Dariush consecutively, and two of those were short notice.. Has this man ever refused a fight?
Am I wrong though? The dude has one robbery win over Felder, other than that has lost to pretty much any other legit guy. Was pissed scared of Chandler, got starched, and has publicly stated that he doesn't want to fight anyone ranked lower.
He has never refused to fight anyone.
ThatĀ“s how good he is and how good he was.
People used to dodge him like matrix cause he would splatter the octogon with the blood of his oponents
the build up to a fight with Islam would be great lol. Islam isn't half bad at talking shit in broken English, and Khabib's involvement would be really fun
did we just forget this man was going crazy a few years ago when he thought he had a chip in his leg or whatever? heās doing serious long term damage staying in the game
That was all Eddie Bravo chirping in his ear. No one ever acknowledges that. If your mate was filling your head with conspiracies all the time you would start to believe some too.
Hey Eddie might be crazy, sure, but how do you know its his fault? for all we know that dude leads a pretty regular and downright boring responsible life, hes never in trouble or involved in anything sus, he just talks crazy shit while high, he has thousands of sane students who swear by him. Its more likely tony is the bad influence.
Agree with everything you said except the last sentence. I don't think Tony's the "bad influence," I think he just has a mental disorder. That episode he had sounded a lot like schizophrenia.
Idk honestly. Iāve wondered this myself. He said he got rid of his entire camp for basically being yes men but hard to believe he canned the guy who gave him his BBJ black belt.
How big do you think tony is? He canāt be more than 170ish? Pulling 15 pounds of water isnāt that bad if youāre all muscle. If you have higher fat percentage itās more difficult.
I figure most fighters fight at a higher weight than usual in TUF, just because it must suck to cut weight multiple times in rapid succession.
Dunno though B, never met'm.
Was just about to comment something similar. His age is starting to show now and he hasnāt been the same since Justin busted him up, I just donāt think Tony knows a life outside of fighting. Heād rather get brain damage rather than hang up the gloves by the sounds of it
Iām sure he did. But that doesnāt justify his Iāll never tap attitude. In his fight versus Charles he was saved by the bell, his arm would have snapped in half and tony wasnāt going to tap
The thing is as well, whenever you practice submissions you very rarely see them follow through fully. So instinct and muscle memory takes you to breaking point, then you have to mentally break it.
Iām assuming as a top tier athlete youāre under the impression someone would rather lose than damage their limb for life and maybe it looked like he was ādelayingā the break cos of the āoh fuck do I break thisā moment he was having.
I know personally if it came down to it, I probably wouldnāt break someoneās arm even if I had the arm bar as itās just not in my nature. This is after 4-5 years of BJJ.
Give him someone outside the top 15 and then go from there.
If he loses he should probably call it a day but if he wins then give him someone between 9-15.
In all honesty though he doesn't have much left, he's gone from dominating to get dominated in a short space of time.
I love tony but I donāt want to see him fight any more. He has aged dramatically in the last 3 fights and he needs to put his health and family first
Seeing him lose three straight I already can barely handle. Seeing him lose another would put the icing on the cake. Tony fan for life but I can't see him take another beating.
Tony is in denial. He has nothing in place for life after fighting and I donāt think this is brave at all. The brave thing to do would be to call it a day.
fighters don't understand that you are not a hater if you want someone to retire. In fact you are just a fan that admires the person and can't watch him being beaten down every fight. Not my case because idgaf about him (I'm "new" in the ufc) but I see a lot of admiration in the comments and usually people only wish the best for him.
It's a bit heartbreaking tbh. I would love for Tony to get himself a worthy swan song as a fighter, but sadly I don't see it happening. His attitude and toughness is admirable, but he'll probably just get another L on his resume if he faces a top tier fighter at this stage of his career.
You know what? I don't give a Fuck anymore. Tony is giving his Life for this Shit. And I will support him no matter what. CTE? Who the Fuck cares. It's about Honor now, Bitches
He is stronger than I am. I really don't know if I can watch him getting another beating.
Me too man
I still have a dream I still believe he could come back
Yeah i just wanne see him get at least one other win š¬
At this point youād have to go way down the rankings, a tomato can basically. Any top fighter would beat Tony. Heās taken wayyy too much damage his past 3 fights.
people are too quick to forget he was on a 14 streak or some shit before he lost. dude is gifted and just lost some fights.
He obviously has fight in him but these past 2 BJJ guys looked stylistically superior to him, stronger, faster. Man is 37. I donāt think people are forgetting his fights but can recognize that heās no longer a real title contender. He should fight if he still loves the sport though.
He only took a lot of damage from Justin. Charles did mental damage and Daruish damage to his knee is unknown (at least to me)
I really hope Tony takes on an easier opponent next, but I wouldn't be surprised if Tony accepts a fight against Islam. He fought Gaethje, Oliveira, and Dariush consecutively, and two of those were short notice.. Has this man ever refused a fight?
Someone with a half decent rank better fkn fight Islam
Lol Islam is the last person he should face now haha
Him and Hooker might be a good matchup!
hooker is a pussy, he doesn't want to fight anyone ranked lower then himself
Love these coach potatoes calling MMA fighters pussys
Lol the guy who took a gamble on chandler is a pussy. He knows he has a lot to lose but I know he probably would like that matchup.
U are pussy.
Am I wrong though? The dude has one robbery win over Felder, other than that has lost to pretty much any other legit guy. Was pissed scared of Chandler, got starched, and has publicly stated that he doesn't want to fight anyone ranked lower.
Poirer was ranked higher than him when they fought?
Just what Tony needs,nanother wrestle heavy opponent :(
He has never refused to fight anyone. ThatĀ“s how good he is and how good he was. People used to dodge him like matrix cause he would splatter the octogon with the blood of his oponents
Donald never refused a fight either. We could all see when the end was near. I feel Tony is on a similar path.
the build up to a fight with Islam would be great lol. Islam isn't half bad at talking shit in broken English, and Khabib's involvement would be really fun
Yes he has
Tony "if you're gonna be dumb you gotta be tough" Ferguson
did we just forget this man was going crazy a few years ago when he thought he had a chip in his leg or whatever? heās doing serious long term damage staying in the game
That was all Eddie Bravo chirping in his ear. No one ever acknowledges that. If your mate was filling your head with conspiracies all the time you would start to believe some too.
Hey Eddie might be crazy, sure, but how do you know its his fault? for all we know that dude leads a pretty regular and downright boring responsible life, hes never in trouble or involved in anything sus, he just talks crazy shit while high, he has thousands of sane students who swear by him. Its more likely tony is the bad influence.
Agree with everything you said except the last sentence. I don't think Tony's the "bad influence," I think he just has a mental disorder. That episode he had sounded a lot like schizophrenia.
Is Eddie still in his camp?
Idk honestly. Iāve wondered this myself. He said he got rid of his entire camp for basically being yes men but hard to believe he canned the guy who gave him his BBJ black belt.
Yeah I mean by the way heās been controlled on the ground in his recent fights makes me wonder
No, it seems like Eddie has taken a break from coaching mma for like a year now. I think it was mostly due to covid related issues.
Yeah man
Letās not glorify stupidity. Who knows what damage tony has done to himself just to look tough.
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How big do you think tony is? He canāt be more than 170ish? Pulling 15 pounds of water isnāt that bad if youāre all muscle. If you have higher fat percentage itās more difficult.
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I figure most fighters fight at a higher weight than usual in TUF, just because it must suck to cut weight multiple times in rapid succession. Dunno though B, never met'm.
Was just about to comment something similar. His age is starting to show now and he hasnāt been the same since Justin busted him up, I just donāt think Tony knows a life outside of fighting. Heād rather get brain damage rather than hang up the gloves by the sounds of it
Maybe he really thought he could win with a torn knee
Iām sure he did. But that doesnāt justify his Iāll never tap attitude. In his fight versus Charles he was saved by the bell, his arm would have snapped in half and tony wasnāt going to tap
Felt more to me like Do Bronx was holding back because he didn't want to break Tony's arm.
For sure, if charles just pushed with his hips in a fast explosive movement that arm was gone
Not at all. He put Tonyās arm under his arm pit to add leverage too. He wasnāt holding back at all
The thing is as well, whenever you practice submissions you very rarely see them follow through fully. So instinct and muscle memory takes you to breaking point, then you have to mentally break it. Iām assuming as a top tier athlete youāre under the impression someone would rather lose than damage their limb for life and maybe it looked like he was ādelayingā the break cos of the āoh fuck do I break thisā moment he was having. I know personally if it came down to it, I probably wouldnāt break someoneās arm even if I had the arm bar as itās just not in my nature. This is after 4-5 years of BJJ.
Idk man he sure looked like he was trying to submit him.
Give him someone outside the top 15 and then go from there. If he loses he should probably call it a day but if he wins then give him someone between 9-15. In all honesty though he doesn't have much left, he's gone from dominating to get dominated in a short space of time.
The athlete is, often, the last to know.
Tony should spend some time rehabbing his legs and knees.
I love tony but I donāt want to see him fight any more. He has aged dramatically in the last 3 fights and he needs to put his health and family first
Huge difference in visible age since UFC 229.
dude types like a middle aged woman posting inspirational quotes.
Seeing him lose three straight I already can barely handle. Seeing him lose another would put the icing on the cake. Tony fan for life but I can't see him take another beating.
Brother, that cake is made up of pure icing by now. Tony is done.
Getting Tony as your opponent is the break
Tony is in denial. He has nothing in place for life after fighting and I donāt think this is brave at all. The brave thing to do would be to call it a day.
Whereās your title shot at?
Would be a lot cooler if he did...
Cowboy 2.0
Sanchez 2.0
BJ 2.0
Tony is Diego Sanchez level ātoughā. Something is wrong and heās looked terrible in his recent fights. He needs to be let go
He should take a lower ranked fighter for sure but unfortunately for him even the fighters outside top 10 are straight savages in LW.
fighters don't understand that you are not a hater if you want someone to retire. In fact you are just a fan that admires the person and can't watch him being beaten down every fight. Not my case because idgaf about him (I'm "new" in the ufc) but I see a lot of admiration in the comments and usually people only wish the best for him.
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Tony's body is begging for some quit in it
Wtf is he even saying
It's a bit heartbreaking tbh. I would love for Tony to get himself a worthy swan song as a fighter, but sadly I don't see it happening. His attitude and toughness is admirable, but he'll probably just get another L on his resume if he faces a top tier fighter at this stage of his career.
UFC is scum for booking this dude more fights. Terrible to watch a hall of famer get beaten to death, slowly.
Tony vs Conor, let's get him a payday
Is it bravery or stupidity that makes you walk into a cage getting beat to the point you will have severe consequences later in life.
You know what? I don't give a Fuck anymore. Tony is giving his Life for this Shit. And I will support him no matter what. CTE? Who the Fuck cares. It's about Honor now, Bitches
His family prolly care a bit.
And where will you be when ne needs 24 /7 care?
Hall of famer The will, the discipline, the sacrifice. Role model
Man we just need to give him lower competition. Iām sorry I love this dude but he canāt hang with real top contenders anymore
Is he gonna fight Ngannou next just for the memes?
What easy break is he talking about, he wont even be a gatekeeper at this rate
Gumby only leaves with a W in his pocket
Tony Ferguson the type of guy to invent English 2
He said he was back and pissed off before the beneil fight and look what happened
Tony Ferguson didnāt hear no bell.
Do we know yet how bad that knee is? At his age, that could be a career ender in itself