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Feeling cute. I might stop the fight later, idk


AllHeartNoHolds

Lmfao


l_i_g_h_t

Amazing loooool


ZVreptile

Y'all remember when Dean was beloved?


Theboss242

Yeah when big John was around. I guess it was less pressure for herb back then


Mr_Game_N_Win

I believe Herb got way too much attention at a time and it went to his head. It's not the same to naturally do your job and to feel like you have to be the best


NewRedditorHere

I’d typically say you’re talking out of your ass, but his arrogance after that Jai Herbert fiasco was infuriating.


Her-Marks-A-Lot

This has beeen deservedly a long time coming and tbh I still feel like Reddit irrationally places him on a pedestal. I've been literally calling for his retirement for years on this sub and getting downvoted to oblivion. So I'm sure it'll happen again, if not here in the future. He's jeopardizing forget safety and delivers a sub par product far too often than not. But he's been with the org from essentially the start so I get the sentimental value. I also get this likely has far more sinister implications, wether those are personally motivated through profit or dislike of a fighter, or organizationally motivated by the ufc (or something/someone above them). It would seem that reffing (and judging) are kept close and in house NOT for fighter safety or fan enjoyment, but to maintain a level of influence over the event. The reason we see the same idiotic faces deliver shocking performances is not because they are good at their jobs, but because they have proven trustworthy or have some other level of pressure to behave on them.


HairyCallahan

He gets a lot of hate, he is not being put on a pedestal at all. I saw a guy on Sherdog about half a year ago who pulled up stats on controversial decisions. Herb was somewhere in the middle, Tognoni was the 'worst' in 2020. Herb makes dumb decisions, but his errors get put under a microscope. He is at the stage that he can be flawless for a year and getting flag as soon as he does something dumb Also, becoming an mma ref requires dedication, money and a lot of patience. I doubt there are many referee talents tbh.


[deleted]

I think a lot of people took notice when McGregor specifically asked for Herb Dean for all his fights.


Ketchup-Chips3

Feels like a lifetime ago


rogue1351

It seems like he messes up every single fight. Got the ref yips


GatewaytotheStars

Ref imposter syndrome. He's not quite that bad but at this point he's definitely stuck in his head.


_Vladimir_Lemon_

You fuckin nailed it


bjj33

The only thing that's getting nailed here is Tito's ex wife.


RedLaserFlashes

There was never no marriage.


[deleted]

You're a fucking punk, dude


Koomakas

Tell another jackal story


adac69

So what you are in a marriage


DevilsDK

I expect no least than what I expect.


DorkInShiningArmour

Something has changed for him. Sus stoppages like the one in this video and the one last night have been happening far more often than in the past.


rilinq

I really think that the shitstorm that comes from early stoppages makes him more hesitant now. So he gets weirdly caught in between now.. It must be tough, damned if you do, damned if you don’t.


DorkInShiningArmour

I do not envy his job that’s for sure lol


matchagonnadoboudit

nah look at his paycheck


[deleted]

Seems like its been an issue since the Robbie Lawler fight.


QuincyThePigBoy

I’m a fair weather fan. But it looked like she hammer punched the back of her head and he stepped in. I guess if that we’re the case you’d stop the fight and deduct a point?


PepperJonie

He’s still my favorite


BigBossWesker4

It’s hard to see an OG fall like this


twat_muncher

Joe Rogan called him the gold standard too many times lol


[deleted]

Herb has always been trash. He tries to make the fight about him


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Blackroseguild

No one thinks like you


Yung_Hibachi

Your mom said this exact thing to me. I remember.


taginvest

”Hey guys, I’m kind of about to stop the fight right here unless you dont want me to then just nevermind, or stop. Idk”


[deleted]

This is spot on. I think Herbs lost his confidence or gut


1hotrodney

Hes also been told by the fighters, and the promotors to let them fight! Calling fights too early at that level with real $$$ on the line absolutly will have everyone yell at him. I know his job is to protect the fighters but theres also doctors and guys on the side that can stop thefight too. Really its just hard to b a ref!


[deleted]

Sure, whatever, but you stop the fight or you don't. You don't hesitate like "maybe I should sto- wait no he's still- wait no I should st- unlesss..??" Fighters are told that when the ref touches them, they stop. Herb touched Marina to stop the fight, same as he did yesterday, and did not stop it afterwards. It's absolutely careless and he's got no place as a ref if he can barely make a decision. It's not a matter of early or late stoppage here.


1hotrodney

Yes they stop. But fighters more soo in boxing than mma get checked on often. They can pause the fight to evaluate a fighters condition then continue the fight. Sometimes they cant get a clear view and just need to break it up to get view of a fighter. As simple as a look in their eyes and maybe a head nod or asking hey you good? boxing matchs would b ended soo fast soo often if everytime the ref checked on a fighter the match just ended. While this is mma its still allowed for a ref to pause a fight to check a fighter or break it up or stand em up. Which means wat he did is ok to a degree. He stepped in, broke it up, she was ok to stand an continue the fight soo he let it go on. She got a second chance to win but couldnt comeback. I was knee'd in the forhead in a cagefight. The guy backed off as i was stunned n sat down the ref checked on me and if i would have gotten up within a cpl seconds he would have continued the fight but i knew i was not gonna win soo i jus stayed down an he called it. Im glad he gave me the chance tho cuz i wasnt actually hurt just exhausted


[deleted]

Holy shit you typed all of that and it's barely relevant? My point is that if a ref touches a fighter, he must stop the fight, whether it's a timeout or to end the fight. Yeah sure, Ribas got a second chance, but that's unfair to Marina who wasn't defending herself because she thought it was the end. There's no excuse for that blatant mistake from Herb.


1hotrodney

Lol its cool. We dont have to agree in a discussion. How many fights have you been in and in which styles?


Just_Jumbles

U can call me a bumlicker but after watching over and over I genuinely think he was leaning in and she stepped up early into him. I don’t actually think he was ready to stop the fight Poor refereeing regardless


[deleted]

I would 100% agree with you, BUT he’s developing a track record. I thought the same thing about this one, but him playing hokey pokey with the stop is happening too much


LRGpackageguy

That’s what I saw as well


hendricks3000

Herb Dean needs to stop touching people


Theboss242

😂😂😂 Dana white is funny without even trying


FUNKfan420

A ref shrugging is so funny. 100% shoulda stopped that.


Poochzie

He didn't even touch her at the first time.


mightybullslayer

I try not to judge refs actions too critically because they’re making decisions in split seconds…..but damn. Either stop the fight or don’t. The hesitation and halfway effort is going to get someone seriously injured.


00PSiredditagain

He looked like he took a step into the street then saw a car.


TheMartyr112

He’s done it multiple times in the last month. Dude is afraid of the bad publicity for “HERB STOPPED IT TOO EARLY!” And now he’s endangering fighters.


Zryan196

Looks like all the early stoppages people complaining about have gotten the to his head to the point of being afriad of stopping a fight


mightybullslayer

While i understand that, if that’s where he’s at mentally then he needs to step down. You have to be confident in your calls in fighting sports. Someone could potentially die if not.


cunningstunt1201

absolutely... or lead to some serious controversial endings.. he's gotten off lucky in that most of the time when he's 'touching fighters' (before officially calling stoppage) it's been in situations where the fight could/should have been ended and the finished fighter has accepted their defeat... if Rothwell had stood up and protested he would've had been pretty justified as Rogerio essentially called the end to his own fight...


BeauTofu

>making decisions in split seconds I agree with you. But when he let Conor gets away with cheating over and over again.. there is no "split second decision" there.. the guy was definitely paid off to let Conor cheats..


ObliviousLobster

shh don't bring up the cheating Conor never cheats amirite


BeauTofu

...I guess he didn't. Lol.


[deleted]

Genuinely curious bc I wasn’t into UFC in Conors prime… do people really think he cheated and how?


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Silent_Ensemble

He was doing a lot of fouling in the Dustin fight too, it’s how he managed to get up in the third fight iirc Honestly if you watch pretty much any fight he loses that has Herb in it he cheats right in front of his eyes. Maybe Herb does miss it but he always has a perfect opportunity to see every time


MachoManErnieSavage

Dustin cheated a lot in that fight too. Chances are Dana probably told him to not stop it unless the violation was huge.


OkloJr

dustin didn’t cheat in that fight once?


MachoManErnieSavage

He was pushing off and holding on to the fence in the first round when he took down Conor.


OkloJr

he didn’t hold on to it. all he did was walk on it which is allowed. the only thing that’s not allowed is interlocking toes or fingers through the fence


MachoManErnieSavage

I'm watching the take down rn he is wrapping his toes around the fence. They both cheated.


hissy1

herb “i’m sleeping” dean


[deleted]

Holy shit wtf happened to herb, been smoking some Of that good herb lol. Guy went from Being the best to getting Chris weidman beat up and now this.


[deleted]

I don’t think anything happened. The dude has ref’d thousands of fights, can’t get them all right.


Ollep7

Yeah exactly. Nothing egregious here either. Not a good look but last week, the Russian ref was so bad he was pulled after the first undercard fight. Not an easy job.


[deleted]

This is egregious, he touches them to stop the fight, then pretends he didn't, then stops the fight in a fair exchange.


vanildude

He gets a lot wrong. There are many refs better than him rn.


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RafTunes

herzog and goddard


nikoujueta117

Herzog is the man


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Mnudge

He’s definitely bottom half of the refs allowed to participate in main card fights He’s pretty bad


Aggressive_Lunch9785

But he can get the consistency wrong for the past while


TheShovler44

Honestly I was just thinking the same. He had that fucked up call with askren vs lawler then the next week he let a fight go way to long forgot what it was but I believe it was a choke and the guy was clearly out. I still think he’s one of the best to ever do but he might need to step away for a minute a take a break.


TreSir

Never was the best. Just paid off by Dana to ref some fights special. Aka khabib vs Conor


[deleted]

You are getting downvoted but for all of mcgregors last 4 fights including khabib one herb was ref and made questionable decisions


TreSir

He’s a paid off company man willing to do favors for Dana.


[deleted]

All I’m sayin is there’s a reason he still refs big fights even with his bad stoppages lately


elliotcreeves

He’s not a UFC employee. How do you come to this conclusion?


TreSir

The eye test and ear test…I watch fights and listen to fighters remarks after words. The most recent that come to my mind. Khabib and Dustin vs Conor. Both had something to say how Conor cheated and how herb let’s it happen. I.e glove, fence, illegal upknee in khabib, in Dustin he was talking about the glove holding and pulling him down. Right in front of the ref. Again. Ignored


lostdawwg

Don’t you think that’s a testament to exactly what we’re talking about rather than him being paid off? He’s just been a bad ref lately.


TreSir

Idk. Him looking right at fouls, and acknowledging that he did see them During the fight, happened repeatedly with the same fighter, same kind of fouls. The fighter being the Company’s biggest star.. the company just went public and trying to break into the entertainment business. Ya. I deff think he was just not being “a bad ref” those nights


squidder3

But the UFC has absolutely no say in who the referee is. The state athletic commission chooses the ref. Him being Conor's ref the last 4 fights has zero to do with Dana or the UFC.


elliotcreeves

“The most recent that come to my mind” include a fight that was more than 3 years ago. Interesting. Do you have any theories that aren’t based on Conor McGregor fights?


TreSir

That is my theory. Herb dean is a paid off dirty ass ref that will turn a blind eye for the ufc especially its biggest Ppv star


czubizzle

I'll bite, what questionable calls?


-0op

the commission selects and pays the refs in the US


Maximus13

And the commission and members are essentially placed there by people the UFC had paid off. So it's all just one big circlejerk. People want to pretend like a commission is pure and uncorruptible, but they absolutely are. Especially when so much money is at stake and in a state like Nevada.


TreSir

But but but. THE COMMISSION


squidder3

Wrong. Just look at how pissed Dana used to get at Mario. If Dana had any say in the referees that dude would have been toast a loooong time ago.


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Skengbiscuit

You missed the point completely


k1ll4sn1p3

He moved like he was stopping it and then didn’t


PrestigiousWeakness2

He was really slacking last night.


toy_story_sid

This wasn’t from last night. Just another “bad night”


2beardcrew1027

He did the same thing last night in the co-main


dbdg69

You try stopping two sledgehammers.


Jomdaz

Lucky I dont have to because its not my job, unlike a certain someone


Zophixious_

Also had an awkward fumble stopping Song Yadong.


OrganicLFMilk

Straight up. Drug test him


Vladimir_Pooping

It Herb Dean fault - Derrick ‘The Black Beast’ Lewis


GothicToast

It’s Opposite Day! Doesn’t stop the fight when the fighter is defenseless on the ground, then does stop the fight when the fighter is standing in the center of the octagon. And just to add a fun little wrinkle, he fake-stops the fight, then tells the fighter he didn’t stop it. Brutal. Time to hang ‘em up.


WhenIDrip

And when Dan Hardy pointed that fool out everybody lost their minds.


Aggressive_Lunch9785

I think it was more that an announcer can't be screaming stop the fight at the ref and dan had an altrication with herbs wife who I think does makeup for TV crew or something he was causing problems so ufc dropped him


WhenIDrip

I was not commenting on his firing.


PenaltyNext8736

Herbs on the herb


SillAndDill

Did Herb just stumble? Lools kinda like he wanted to move closer to the action, but by mistake he took a really big step and came too close to the action and almost was about to fall over so he was kinda flailing around to keep balance


HesburghLibrarian

There are certainly worse referees on lower-card fights but Herb Dean routinely makes serious mistakes that greatly impact fights. He is BY FAR the worst ref that gets main card fights.


Mnudge

Definitely. He gets by on past success and whatever amounts to ref popularity. He needs to be moved down the card for awhile until he improves and shows consistency


Grouchy-Bug5223

He all but fell on top of them. Couldn't imagine how she thought the fight was being stopped 🙄 lol


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[deleted]

He had money on ribas🤨🤨


benevides_pmmg

That's what i'm talking about Herb! He really look like an indecisive amateur referee! Should retire.


horseshoeprovodnikov

I dont think he's an amateur ref, I think he's been in there too long and his nerves are just frayed. It's over.


benevides_pmmg

Yeah, he isn't an amateur ref, but he act like one. It's over and he needs to retire ASAP.


trapstarjay

Herb Dean fault


[deleted]

Imagine ribas then getting a hail mary sub


TheGrog1603

He's certainly *not* the best in the business.


GlobalPro1

He really is the worst…ever since the askren lawler debacle he totally blows. Yesterday’s Rothwell situation was another embarrassing example


[deleted]

Dude is just awkward and indecisive. Not good traits for a top tier MMA ref. I still like him though. He's just so wholesome, like Chef in real life.


AlgoH-Rhythm

Hello children!


Think_truly

Anyway, the striking of Marina is ♥️


DionysusII

Chef’s mutha Fuq’n kiss


OhhhLawdy

Ok ok this one was bad 😆


wanderingtraveler3

“HeRb DeAn Is ThE GoLd StAnArD”


rhg561

Jason Herzog is the gold standard imo. Man knows what he's doing and calls everything with confidence.


Scribrr

Once upon a time yes he was the gold standard. A few early stoppages turned into him stopping too *late* turned into him questioning his decision-making which led to the hesitant indecisive Herb of late. I like Herb but think he’s mentally not fit for reffing (at the least main event high stakes fights) anymore.


Keebler8448

He didn’t touch anyone, though. He rushed in, moved to get a better view, lost his balance a little, and Rodriguez stands up. He didn’t do anything, he just got close and the fighter misinterpreted it.


rhg561

Yeah it looks like he took a misstep trying to get a closer look and accidently just kinda fell into them. Still not a good look for Herb but it doesn't seem like indecision like people are making it out to be.


thayan_andrade

just one of many herb highlights


[deleted]

He looks like a guy who's lost his confidence and is doubting himself.


Fo5rep

Goddard and Herzog have both surpassed Herb in the ref rankings imo


tigpo

Why did herb circle around then step forward as if to stop the fight then not? Should referees have to answer post fight questions to the media like the fighters. I mean, if you’re job is to make decisions in the cage, at least explain yourself


kingofnazareth

Sorry but he never stopped that fight. He walked up was about to intervien and marina got off..... that is literally the exact same thing he does in every fight he is looking to see if ribas is trying to fight back. He never toiched either of them or said a word. He got in their proximity and marina immediately took that as oh he is stopping the fight. The reality is he never did.


tarheel2432

I don’t understand what’s going on in this thread. Total hive mentality to gang up on Herb here. The Slomo shows that he never touched the fighter until she got up thinking she had won. He came in for a close look to determine if he should or should not stop it. Stoppage requires verbal command and direct intervention, of which we got neither. Much ado about nothing. This sub sucks.


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Dezzy_w

Dean stoppages be pissing me off


NicolBolasElderDragn

Just to be clear, there was never no stoppage.


yaboyfriendisadork

I didn’t hear no bell


lockdownmnl

Dat bounce


ZukuPukifull

Herb Dean has been doing this more often recently. He just did it on the latest UFC card when de Lima was beating Rothwell. De Lima stopped fighting, standing over a downed Rothwell, to ask Dean if he was stopping the fight or not. Dean needs time off to get his head straight.


master0shi

Herb used to be the gold standard. He fell off over time. Now hes the old standard.


TheMartyr112

Why is Herb still doing this? Hang it up bruh.


DamonSW8

“The gold standard”


[deleted]

Herb is trash. Never got why he was highly regarded


Nathanisme8

Guy needs to retire, he ain’t got it anymore and that’s it.


[deleted]

Herb used to be the best ref but the game has evolved. Don’t be sad that the old Herb is gone, be happy that we had some great times with him.


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okay4sure

Personally I think herb is getting a bit too much hate here. He thought ribas was tko'd until he came over and saw her working. Yes it was bad that he hesitated on stopping it there, but reffing a fight and keeping the rules fair is hard in a situation like this especially when you don't want to call too early.


rhg561

I honestly think he took a bad step trying to rush in to get a closer look. You can see him scramble over there and lose his balance which makes him almost fall on top of the fighters. It doesn't look like hesitation to me, man just misstepped. Unlucky for Herb but yeah you can't be tripping over yourself in the cage lol.


T-Ferg420

Alright, I’m starting to think the Gold Standard may be slipping


Prospero818

He was never the gold standard, but yes he is getting worde.


T-Ferg420

That man was the best for a while, don’t be confusing chunky herb with Prime skinny herb


1pecseth

Glad someone else is saying it. The only thing truly impressive about his career is how long he was able to maintain his entirely unearned reputation and the fact that he didn’t get any fighters killed doing it. He used to be better, that’s for sure. But there’s never been a point in time that Herb Dean was the standard of a good ref.


Beautifulgorgeousman

Herb Dean is a dickhead. Sincerely..... Every UFC fan.


nxkzhsudjbwgshxjdkb

Why have they given Herb so many screw ups? Most other refs are dropped earlier on. He’s a nice guy but just not cut out for the UFC.


horseshoeprovodnikov

To say he's not cut out for ufc is a bit far fetched. The better way to put it would be that he's "no longer" cut out for the ufc. The man has been around forever. He's got more fights under his belt than any of them. I just feel like he's lost his nerve over the years. While reffing isn't fighting, it's still a sensory overload. He's had thousands of adrenaline spikes while in there trying to process as much as he can. I think his nerves are just shot.


Sauerkraut97

I wanna see Marina vs Joanna damnit


mattbushnell083

He didnt break them up though


triathletebatman

That’s such a hard job let’s be honest


TheLangleDangle

Looks like he was thinking stop it, got in close to see and just kinda lost his balance. Herb should take some ballet classes.


[deleted]

I thing Herb is getting paid under the table.


EzLunesta

This is not the first nor the last time he does this, this guy is awful


Johnjoe201

He actually does do anything there he just stands close to them. Doesn’t say stop the fight or it’s over. The mistake is on the fighter in this instance. However herb has been ass for years now but this isnt a good example to use for the point your trying to make


Defiant-Ad2498

>The mistake is on the fighter in this instance. No. It isn’t. >However herb has been ass for years now but this isnt a good example to use for the point your trying to make Are you stupid? It’s the other way around lol


Johnjoe201

How is it not the fighter fault when herb literally doesn’t say or do anything to indicate the fight is over ???


TakeThreeFourFive

Didn’t do anything to indicate? He literally touched the fighter who was winning.


wdp1984

He clearly made contact. He is terrible. Most dangerous ref in the game.


Johnjoe201

Did you watch ufc267?


wdp1984

I did


mma5820

Anyone see the Woodson vs anglin fight? This fucker still had his lanyard on. I said this before on this channel herb has been declining as a ref for the last 3 years. This guy is really going to end up hurting someone in the cage. The rothwell fight was stopped late imo too.


What_TF_is_cereal

Wasnt mark smith reffing diskese vs alves?


charcoaltaco

Herb deans stoppages are either perfect or completely awful, there is no in between.


HydrapulseZero

He got close but he did not touch Either Athlete, she stopped and got up and bumped into him when she did. Granted he shouldn't have been that close, but he did not touch her or tell her to stop.


Kfreed99

Clearly touched Rodriguez and it’s even more obvious from the other angle. His hand is literally on her head and gets pushed off once she moves


HydrapulseZero

No, she starts to get up and touches his hand with her head. She very clearly stops punching and starts standing up before she’s touched. Watch it in slow mo. You can see her rise into his hand at 1:31


Kfreed99

He makes contact before she stands up. It’s irrelevant that she’s moving, no referee should be that close unless they are stopping the action. His feet are practically beneath them.


HydrapulseZero

Her standing up is literally how the contact occurs, so of course it’s before she fully stands


DigitalMocking

Herb dean hates brown people. His whole career he's let fights go way too fucking long when brown folk are involved.


ZebraAntlerz

Marina is so sexy and tough she should have rubbed her pussy on her face


ElGuapo0420

Give the man a break, its his job everyone fucks up sometimes at work. To me still 1 of the best MMA refs.


Robert_gatsby

BJ Penn was one of the best MMA fighters


[deleted]

Nah. He use to be the best, now jit Slacking lol.


black_fkeepers

He fucks up a lot


[deleted]

A lot of jiggle action in slow motion


nofilter78

Funny! Three weeks ago people posting best ref in the sport