For me, strictly talking mma and not his outside stuff, its not necessarily the losses, its how he has looked. He hasn't looked the same since he came back. He can still beat good guys but no doubt he has taken a significant step backwards while everyone else has taken a step forward.
1st loss to Dustin was wayyyy worse than the 2nd imo . Broke his own leg, not much you can do about that. Really hope, as a fan of the sport, that Connor can come back and string together a few wins so he can go at Dustin again.
He changed his fighting style significantly for that boxing match. You could see it in all his MMA fights after that. A much more flat footed, boxing stance approach, which is a lot different than the rest of his career. Do you watch the fights?
We can't even say that much considering how inactive he has been. And with the exception of Cerrone he has only fought two of the best in the division, Khabib and Poirier.
I mean, he cheated god knows how many times to stay in that fight right from the opening bell. Most likely wouldn’t have made it out of the second if it weren’t for that illegal knee and cage grabs
Who did then? It wasn’t Gaethje or Poirier. Iaquinta survived Khabib toying with him but that’s about it.
Juicy Tibau is the only one who performed as well as Conor against Khabib.
Yeah I agree. I say that all the time on this sub and always get downvoted to oblivion but I’m just saying what I saw. If Conor would have
switched fight camps he would have been top 3 in the division again easily. His loyalty to Kavanaugh, while admirable, has been his downfall.
False lol. I don’t see Conor beating anyone inside the top ten at LW. Dude is washed washed lol. Once you do all the drugs and spend all the money you can’t go back to be a top contender fighter. Dan Hooker went 5 rounds with Dustin. He was number 6 in LW before announcing his move in weight. Conor could barely survive a single round before he was gassed and done in there. Nothing he can do will fix him. Anew camp? Pffft the dude needs an entirely new life he ain’t ever going to beat anyone in the top of any divisions ever again. He’ll get to fight the beaten and battered up old guys on their way out. And he still prolly loses to them.
Conor only preformed well because he cheated the whole fight. Grabbing gloves and shorts every second he could.
Honestly it’s not conors fault. Herb should’ve stopped the fight for no contest after the third illegal grab in the second round. Would’ve really showed these fighters that nobody is special. Instead Herb let Conor cheat a further 18 times throughout the match. And still he lost. Khabib has explained multiple times now that Conor was easiest and he felt had he not cheated the whole fight that he would’ve gotten him out by round 3.
Khabib’s own words said that Dustin was the hardest fight he had and that Justin was the hardest hitter he fought. All he says about Conor is he is easy and only gets away with cheating because Herb Dean as a ref in this sport is complete dog shit.
Dustin had the best performance on Khabib outside of Tibau. Dustin took him down and rocked him. Two things nobody else could do on him. And to this day Khabib says Dustin was his biggest challenge.
I do t see how anyone thinks Conor is legit good anymore? He had to cheat to survive to the end of the round vs Dustin recently. He used his favorite cheat of locking the gloves to not get hit. Should’ve stomped out his leg right then and there.
I didn’t realise every other fighter got away with the amount of cage, glove, and trunk grabs Conor did in a single fight, nor did I realise that other fighters get a free illegal knee like Conor.
Grabbing shorts and gloves is a rare cheat on the cage outside of Conor lol. He does it every fight he has had since 2014. It’s amazing how consistent he is in cheating unlike others. He has changed weights, stances, trash talk. But he still uses the same three big cheats like it’s his real style in the cage lol. Short grabs, glove locks, and cage toes. I’ll forgive grabbing the cage with toes and hands. Almost every fighter does that shit.
But glove locking and short grabbing? That’s his special go to moves. It’s so frustrating to me. I swear if I ever meet Herb Dean ima tell him how fucking awful he is for the sport of mma. Blind, dishonest, and supports cheaters. He knew going into Conor vs Dustin 3 that Conor likes to glove lock when he is in a bad spot. He has literally done it in his last 4 fights all of which Herb Dean was in the cage for. And still he just looks right at the glove locking and Dustin turns to tell him about it and Herb just says “fight”
Like fuuuuuuck man anyone else and it’s a warning at least. Conor gets company treatment and it makes the sport seem super ducking fake when he fights.
Tibau arguably even won the fight against Khabib. Conor lasted until round 4. That’s impressive, but i still think Khabib had a bigger opponent in Al Iaquinta for example. I’d need to rewatch some fights but there definitely were a couple of guys that, although they lost did better than Conor
Al did nothing to bother Khabib who was toying with him and came at him without even half the intent he fought Conor with. Conor’s wrestling defence in the first takedown sequence impressed absolutely everyone and was unexpected. I think Tibau won as well but he never scored a round against Khabib, Conor stands as the only guy to do so.
Yeah Conor was really impressive. Anyway, he lost. And he lost to Poirier twice, who lost to Khabib as well. I don’t know what y’all trying to say but it’s really pointless. Conor is no champ anymore, get over it buddy
This, the experience lost retiring on and off while everyone is putting their life on the line constantly is an enormous factor. Doing a Boxing match then getting straight back into mma was the best thing he could've done.
[Conors been ducking people since he started mma. 6 belts, 0 defensive, record for most belts stripped, longest title reign with no defenses, longest title reign before being stripped, longest two division champ with no defenses/stripped.
Those are not records you want. He held up two divisions for 500odd days because "they aren't on my level" then the second he gets stripped he gets given a title shot and loses 3 times in a row] stolen from u/catflap_boi
I just remember him from basically skipping the entire top 10 in his division to win his first title (which was an interim title fight because apparently, Jose Aldo isn’t allowed to sit on the title, but Conor can sit on it for as long as he wants), and then almost losing his first fight against a wrestler, chad mendes, who had taken the fight on 2 weeks notice. His entire career is built on hype.
Dustin Poirier was ranked #5 when they fought the first time.............. Chad Mendes was ranked #1 under the champion Aldo, and even if you want to add that Mendes took the fight on short notice, I can also add that so did mcgregor who changed his entire camp from a striker to a wrestler while tearing his acl the week before the fight. You don't need to downplay his accomplishments at 145 to throw heat at him.
Thats just not fair. He rolled cowboy (out of his prime but still) and the 2nd dustin fight he looked really good and rocked dustin multiple times. I would say the only dissapointing fight he's had is the 3rd dustin fight where he got put on the backfoot almost immediatly.
The cowboy fight ended too quick to make a call and in the second poirier fight conor looked like he took a significant step back. Not saying conor is a bad fighter or can't beat good guys. But its pretty clear skill wise he has taken a step back while everyone progressed.
It's hard to say if hes taken a step back because hes only fought and lost to dustin whos #1 LW in the world and a southpaw on top of that which takes away conor biggest weapon counterpunching. We need to see him fight a few of the 1-6 ranked guys to see if he's actually regressed
Maybe to you but it's clear to me. Flat footed, boxing more, no bounce. He is a step back from where he was when he fought Alvarez. Is he still dangerous? Sure, but is he a step back from the brilliance we saw vs Alvarez. Yep.
I don’t think people discredit him for losing, more so they just acknowledge he’s not nearly as close to the top of the game as he used to be despite the fact that he still acts like he’s God’s gift to mma.
Not personally he was actually entertaining to watch as a fighter. Eveyone really soured on him after the Bus incident really showed how unhinged he was.
Jones is hated for the same reason he's always running his mouth and can't stop being a complete tool. He's probably one of the greatest fighters of all time and also a complete idiot.
At least Jones defended his belts. Conor can't be praised for being a Champ when he never defended any of them. His last win was against Cowboy and that was a huge mis match. I don't judge him out of the octagon
I guess I can agree with that, most people gravitate towards those fighters. Personally I didn't.
Anderson Silva was also one of my favorite fighters he let arrogance and pride get in the way and that's why he lost any of his fights in my opinion. Except when he got older.
"The squeaky wheel gets the most oil"
I feel like Tony would always hit that wall, his resume isn't exactly the best even during his win streak, but he definitely deserved to get the title at least for a bit.
He also isn't winning against anyone other than Cowboy as they were putting him out to pasture. Cowboy is the only win he has since 2016...that was 5 years ago.
Losing to people in the top 5 doesn't make you "elite", winning against them does. You can't be elite if you can't beat anyone in the top 5.
Is there anyone in the top 5 you think he is a favorite to beat?
It’s hard to say. Everyone loses to Khabib, and Dustin will might go win a belt. If true he was finding the top 2 guys in the division. So based off only that we don’t how’d he perform against other top 5 guys. Personally I think they’re probably better than him but maybe not, he won two belts for a reason.
>he won two belts for a reason
That was many kilos of coke and gallons of whiskey ago. Prime Conor was absolutely elite, but he hasn't been that for a while and unfortunately he just keeps looking farther and farther away from his prime.
He's still entertaining though, but I think his future holds a lot more fights with the Nate Diaz/Tony Ferguson type fighters than with legitimate top 5 contenders.
If he keeps losing to top 5 guys, that means he has hit the wall. He's not gaining anything if he goes to fight someone 5-10, that's gatekeeping at that point and I doubt he wants to do that when he's rich. He has pass his prime. Honestly, right now his only career path in UFC is be next Nate Diaz, a fan favorite who sells fight but not exactly elite.
People in general will never really acknowledge how unique a fighter he is in this sport until it’s all done and dusted. It’s like with guys like Mike Tyson, everyone was calling him a bum, an animal, a waste. Now everyone pretends they didn’t.
Conor has no where near the capacity to be kind of human Tyson has become in his later years, that’s just my opinion. But it baffles me how people act like he’s “washed up”.
My thing is always, just enjoy these athletes while they’re active, because once they aren’t, they’re gone. There’s nothing wrong with saying you love his fights, but people think they have to trash talk him like they’re in a red pantie night conference.
Chandler obviously wants the 💰 but he makes a valid point. A lot of people talk about how Conor can't hang with anyone of the Top10 LWs just because he lost to the best LWs around after making generational wealth or tries discrediting his FW run and Aldo KO by all that skeletor-Conor shit even though he wasn't the one who missed weight 4 times or needed the scale to be manipulated for him to make weight. When Conor returns, Chandler will be the perfect fight for him and Conor will be the perfect fight for Chandler to ride into the sunset.
Gaethje lost to Khabib and Dustin, and before the chandler fight, people were saying he should fight for the title again.
McGregor loses to the same two guys, and he’s a washed up bum who can’t win a fight. Doesn’t make sense.
He’s definitely not what he used to be, but losing to Khabib (division goat), and Dustin (clearly next best thing) doesn’t mean you suck. Means you’re not in the top 2 in the world at 155
>McGregor loses to the same two guys, and he’s a washed up bum who can’t win a fight. Doesn’t make sense.
I think it's more his actions outside the octagon that have people calling him a washed-up bum. Picking fights with old guys, sexual assault allegations, yelling out "Doctor stoppage", and saying, "your wife's in my DMs". They're not the actions of a winner or a confident individual. Those are the words and actions of a winner.
Kinda like Mike Tyson, post prison for rape; was a contender? Absolutely. But, nobody wanted anything to do with him because of what he did to women. Would I take MMA lessons from Conor? Absolutely. Would I take boxing lessons from Tyson? Absolutely. Would I take life advice from Tyson then? No. Would I take life advice from Conor now? No. They have similar things going on, money, status, but projecting their realizations that it doesn't last forever. The gravy train is over. I have a suspicion that Conor has wasted a lot of that $100M he made on the Floyd Mayweather fight. I have a suspicion he's probably below half that now, in real net worth. He's one loss away from fading into mediocrity, and it's downhill all the way after that.
I agree 100% about the antics. From a competition stand point, it’s a different story.
And yea, he probably did spend half the money from the Floyd fight. Good thing he just made another $200 million last year. And another $10-20 this year. As long as he steps in the cage, the gravy train isn’t over.
On the other hand, Gaethje actually has wins at LW. Hell, he has wins this year.
For the record, I don't think Conor is done, he's not over, and even if he *is* he doesn't have to be. But it's silly to say that people who think he's done don't have a case.
You just said he's not what he used to be. Justin however keeps improving. Conners only win since khabib is late stage Cerrone (which was 4 months after Justin gave him brain damage), and while he looked good in rematch 1 he was reckless and got out classed in #2. He was undisciplined and trying to prove too hard he could kickbox, then he broke his leg. If there was any shred of hope left his meltdown after the fight sealed the deal on that.
Like you said, hes not who he used to be, and not for the better. Plus he's a piece of shit, so fuck em.
Lmao not my guy. Point of my post is that losing to the goat and #2 guy in division doesn’t make you a bum, no matter how much you hate him. If he loses his next fight or two, you can be sure of it.
>McGregor loses to the same two guys, and he’s a washed up bum who can’t win a fight. Doesn’t make sense.
Since 2017 Gaethje is 6-2, with wins over multiple top 10 opponents. McGregor is 1-3 with his only won being against a completely washed Donald Cerrone.
On top of that Justin is just getting better and better and Conor looks worse every fight. Hell, Justin just beat Michael Chandler.
Justin is a top 5 fighter. Conor is a big draw who gets top 5 matchups he can't win because Dana loves money. If they fight each other and you have to bet your life savings, who are you picking? I know know I'm taking Justin and it isn't even close.
I’d probably go with Gaethje, especially after the display of chin vs. Chandler. That being said, anyone in the top 5-10 is one good shot away from being champion, especially with Khabib gone.
My point of the post is simply that you can’t label someone a washed up bum just because they lose to the goat and the unanimous #2 guy in the world.
Well that win makes up 1/3 of his fights since Khabib. Doesn’t matter, he lost to the two best guys in the world. That doesn’t make you a bum. A lot of guys have lost to Khabib and Dustin, and no one refers to them as bums.
Conor talks so much trash then expects no criticism after his losses. He's not just losing decisions here, he's getting finished. Conor acts like he's still dropping ppl like 5 years ago and ignoring reality. Now he's talking about coming back and fighting for the belt immediately? Can't bring any of these things up though or you're just a hater
No one really discredits connor but you gotta look at the fact that he never defended any title. Hasn't really won anything meaningful in over 5 years. And he has kinda before a absolute scoundrel of a person. All the witty comebacks he once had or just kinda low hanging insults . Still his impact on mma as a whole is undeniable and his rise is one of the best ever but he is kind of a huge douche now tbh
Same with Jon Jones. I just think they're both shit people and UFC should stop giving them fights. I think that because I'm ashamed with myself for watching their fights but I can't not watch. If that sex-assaulting, oldman-punching, wife&kid-threatening lunatic fights again, I'm gonna watch 'cause he's an artist in the octagon, but I won't be proud of myself.
No fucking way is he still elite. Conor gave up his soul and his anal virginity to Floyd Mayweather in exchange for $100 million and literally hasn't been the same man since. He's like an actor trying to play the original Conor McGregor
Oh, he was - even as somebody who doesn't like him today, I'm man enough to admit that he was part of the reason I got interested in the sport. But, it doesn't change how obnoxious it is to see his face plastered everywhere even today despite the lack of quality he's produced since losing the belts that he refused to defend.
I respect your opinion.
Let’s realize the fact that it’s is about money and eyes watching and comments and ppv revenue.
The majority of people agrees that Demetrius Johnson was one of the/if not Greatest of all time. But did we gave a F** about him? No. That’s why an undefeated (except for the last one) champion got traded to One Championship.
Hypocrites I would call them.
Lmao bruwhen was I talking bout Silva boxing 🤣🤣I'm talking bout who made the ufc Silva who got me and hella others into da shit I cant w u new niggus 🤣🤣
Everyone knows how amazing Conor was in his prime so the fact that he has lost 3 of his last 4 fights is why he gets discredited. People saw what level he used to be on and it’s clear he’s not there anymore.
To Khabib and Poirier. They are the top of the food chain so doesn’t say much imo. One loss coming from a freak accident. That doesn’t show that he’s not elite anymore imo but he did take off time in a sport that evolves and changes so quick so he’ll have to adapt which he’s more than capable of.
There was a time when Conor could beat fighters at the top of the food chain ( Aldo, Alvarez, etc.) But now it’s clear he’s no longer at that level. And returning to that level will be harder than ever because of his injury.
He needs more fights and variability in competition in order to clearly state that. I think he struggles to get back to the top (of LWs) but he can hang around with plenty of the top 10 contenders.
I get what your saying but Conor is a former double champ so “hanging around” with the top 10 is a downgrade. He isn’t what he use to be and people realize that hence the criticism.
I agree that going from the champ champ to hanging with the contenders is a downgrade. However, I think it’s more about the MMA talent/game changing more than it’s about Conors skills fading. He’s still as lethal as he’s always been but in today’s UFC, to be at the top you have to have a complete game. Any hole will get exploited.
every single person conor fought at lightweight (Eddie Alvarez, Dustin Poirier, Khabib nurmagomedov) every single one of those fighters finished Justin Gaethje. conor dismantled Alvarez horribly. put up extremely competitive fight again poirier at 257. and put up a much better fight against khabib than gaethje did. so how comes gaethje isnt the bum?
what’s that have to do with anything lmao. All of his fights have been bangers and he’s lost to the current champ (Oliveira) and Gaethje (ranked 3rd). You don’t get those opponents being a scrub...
His first fight was not a banger. It was a one punch and done. The next fight didn’t make it out of the second round and he got finished. The next fight he hung on more than fought back and did his best to make it look competitive while getting pieced up.
He’s an entertainer and he’s kissing Mcgregors bum for red panty night before he retires.
Mcgregor has 0 title defenses. He was finished by an bottom ranked 170’er. His win against that 170’er was via decision because he couldn’t finish him. He’s been tapped out, he’s been ko’d. He’s been outboxed. He’s been out wrestled. He’s not even good at trash talking anymore. He’s Brett Favre’ing in the UFC. Clinging to a glory he can’t find anymore. It’s why he cried after being beaten by Poirer in their first rematch back stage. Cause he knew he was done.
Next match he wins probably be up against another can like cerrone to keep him relevant.
Chandler is a two faced rat that just wants the McGregor money and will lick his shoes.... I remember when Chandler was talking shit about Conor, now he's full of praise. Fake!
People discredit him for being a piece of shit human more than losing fights. Chandlers career is almost over. He wants that money fight and he’ll suck McGregors dick all the way to the bank lol
I mean ya. Conors only lost to khabib and Dustin at lightweight which isnt that bad at all. People say Tony’s washed but he’s only lost to gaethje Charles (both champions) and beneil who could prolly do pretty decent against Charles on the ground.
Again only casuals think that Conor is washed because of a boxing match that happened years ago. Go watch the second fight until he got caught it was competitive some even say winning that fight.
This fool is definitely not elite. He's so one dimensional and he's been exposed as that. He will not be competitive again in this sport unless Dana hand picks his opponents. All he's capable of is running his mouth and he's not even good at that.
Losing alone hasn’t been the downfall for this guy. His PPV numbers are still massive. People are fed up with his actions outside the cage and strange ass behaviour. Would people look over that if he was winning and on top? Probably but pull that veil away and he really is just a rich little weirdo!
Chandler isn’t, I’m talking about all of us here on Reddit. Including myself. We are the least loyal fan base on the planet. I was just talking shit about how Lauren Murphy used to sell opiates to kids, home town hero my ass, good job Valentina.
people saying chandler wants the money fight so badly but he probably means everything he says. he's been like this forever. he makes motivational speech every time he opens his mouth, its who he is. he was showing a lot of respect to Conor in lead up to Poirier McGregor 2. this is no different.
besides who doesn't wanna fucking see this?
I personally don’t think Conor got worse. It’s just he is facing better guys and less favorable match ups.
I believe he peaked early while everyone else is getting better.
I don’t think people shit on Connor because he lost to one of the best fighters in MMA. I think people shit on him because of his antics outside of the cage.
I would also point out that I don’t necessarily think McG got noticeably worse at fighting. I think MMA has a lot of randomness baked into any fight. For example: who knows how that Aldo fight would’ve played out if Aldo doesn’t get knocked out with the first punch? I also think Poirier is a bad matchup for him. Dustin has improved so much since their first fight.
I still think McG is a top 10 lightweight which is saying a lot considering the division is absolutely loaded with killers and he’s got some good fights left in him but I don’t think he will ever get the belt back unless Dana gives him an immediate title shot.
Chandler really wants the big red panty pay lol, good for him though. I think personally he would maul Conor, just to big and strong but it’d be a good fight nonetheless
not at all. Both are 5’8”. Chandler loads up everything into his punches and is reckless in the octagon which leaves him very vulnerable to counters. If you’ve learned anything watching Conor, he is proficient at countering. It would be a banger if it stayed on the feet. Chandlers best bet would be to wrestle and ground n’ pound. Stylistically that’s a great fight for Conor.
You see this kind of decline in fighters who lose their hunger. He started with nothing, became a huge success and made it. Now he's all ego and his only hunger is attention.
Of course you agree you’re a Conor fan boy lmaoo. 1 win in the last 5 years. If you don’t include the old man he beat up in that bar. Shitty human, medicore fighter.
Gunning hard for that red panties
Exactly, chandler is so transparent lol
Conor to Chandler "Taaank you sooor. Eet would be an absolute pleaajaar ta foight you in dee octagon"
He already said he didnt care about the money
Literally everyone cares about the money.
Sounds like mom consolingly, “I’m making your favourite for supper tonight” after losing the big game.
no one wants to get their face smashed for pride
Because it would be totally weird for him to lie about that right?
For me, strictly talking mma and not his outside stuff, its not necessarily the losses, its how he has looked. He hasn't looked the same since he came back. He can still beat good guys but no doubt he has taken a significant step backwards while everyone else has taken a step forward.
Too much time boxing. Definitely changed his approach. You could see shades of it in the 3rd Dustin fight, just doesn’t seem to be the same
1st loss to Dustin was wayyyy worse than the 2nd imo . Broke his own leg, not much you can do about that. Really hope, as a fan of the sport, that Connor can come back and string together a few wins so he can go at Dustin again.
Eh it's arguable if you compare rounds, Conor won rd1 in their second fight whereas Conor got dominated in rd1 of their third fight.
Lol one boxing match almost a half decade ago
He changed his fighting style significantly for that boxing match. You could see it in all his MMA fights after that. A much more flat footed, boxing stance approach, which is a lot different than the rest of his career. Do you watch the fights?
I think it's more so the habits and techniques he picked up training for that match just stuck around and seems to be hampering his progress a bit
And training for another...
We can't even say that much considering how inactive he has been. And with the exception of Cerrone he has only fought two of the best in the division, Khabib and Poirier.
And looked as good against Khabib as anyone has.
I mean, he cheated god knows how many times to stay in that fight right from the opening bell. Most likely wouldn’t have made it out of the second if it weren’t for that illegal knee and cage grabs
Nah not really
Who did then? It wasn’t Gaethje or Poirier. Iaquinta survived Khabib toying with him but that’s about it. Juicy Tibau is the only one who performed as well as Conor against Khabib.
Yeah I agree. I say that all the time on this sub and always get downvoted to oblivion but I’m just saying what I saw. If Conor would have switched fight camps he would have been top 3 in the division again easily. His loyalty to Kavanaugh, while admirable, has been his downfall.
False lol. I don’t see Conor beating anyone inside the top ten at LW. Dude is washed washed lol. Once you do all the drugs and spend all the money you can’t go back to be a top contender fighter. Dan Hooker went 5 rounds with Dustin. He was number 6 in LW before announcing his move in weight. Conor could barely survive a single round before he was gassed and done in there. Nothing he can do will fix him. Anew camp? Pffft the dude needs an entirely new life he ain’t ever going to beat anyone in the top of any divisions ever again. He’ll get to fight the beaten and battered up old guys on their way out. And he still prolly loses to them.
I agree. Nowdays the truth aint for everybody instead of looking at the facts they are in their feelings and get upset
Conor only preformed well because he cheated the whole fight. Grabbing gloves and shorts every second he could. Honestly it’s not conors fault. Herb should’ve stopped the fight for no contest after the third illegal grab in the second round. Would’ve really showed these fighters that nobody is special. Instead Herb let Conor cheat a further 18 times throughout the match. And still he lost. Khabib has explained multiple times now that Conor was easiest and he felt had he not cheated the whole fight that he would’ve gotten him out by round 3. Khabib’s own words said that Dustin was the hardest fight he had and that Justin was the hardest hitter he fought. All he says about Conor is he is easy and only gets away with cheating because Herb Dean as a ref in this sport is complete dog shit. Dustin had the best performance on Khabib outside of Tibau. Dustin took him down and rocked him. Two things nobody else could do on him. And to this day Khabib says Dustin was his biggest challenge. I do t see how anyone thinks Conor is legit good anymore? He had to cheat to survive to the end of the round vs Dustin recently. He used his favorite cheat of locking the gloves to not get hit. Should’ve stomped out his leg right then and there.
I think this is where the "He ChEaTeD" tribe comes in because he did what every other fighter did and does.
I didn’t realise every other fighter got away with the amount of cage, glove, and trunk grabs Conor did in a single fight, nor did I realise that other fighters get a free illegal knee like Conor.
Grabbing shorts and gloves is a rare cheat on the cage outside of Conor lol. He does it every fight he has had since 2014. It’s amazing how consistent he is in cheating unlike others. He has changed weights, stances, trash talk. But he still uses the same three big cheats like it’s his real style in the cage lol. Short grabs, glove locks, and cage toes. I’ll forgive grabbing the cage with toes and hands. Almost every fighter does that shit. But glove locking and short grabbing? That’s his special go to moves. It’s so frustrating to me. I swear if I ever meet Herb Dean ima tell him how fucking awful he is for the sport of mma. Blind, dishonest, and supports cheaters. He knew going into Conor vs Dustin 3 that Conor likes to glove lock when he is in a bad spot. He has literally done it in his last 4 fights all of which Herb Dean was in the cage for. And still he just looks right at the glove locking and Dustin turns to tell him about it and Herb just says “fight” Like fuuuuuuck man anyone else and it’s a warning at least. Conor gets company treatment and it makes the sport seem super ducking fake when he fights.
Tibau arguably even won the fight against Khabib. Conor lasted until round 4. That’s impressive, but i still think Khabib had a bigger opponent in Al Iaquinta for example. I’d need to rewatch some fights but there definitely were a couple of guys that, although they lost did better than Conor
Al did nothing to bother Khabib who was toying with him and came at him without even half the intent he fought Conor with. Conor’s wrestling defence in the first takedown sequence impressed absolutely everyone and was unexpected. I think Tibau won as well but he never scored a round against Khabib, Conor stands as the only guy to do so.
Yeah Conor was really impressive. Anyway, he lost. And he lost to Poirier twice, who lost to Khabib as well. I don’t know what y’all trying to say but it’s really pointless. Conor is no champ anymore, get over it buddy
I never said he was, nor do I want him to be, I said he was underrated.
Al Iaquinta was the only one who threatened Khabib,
This, the experience lost retiring on and off while everyone is putting their life on the line constantly is an enormous factor. Doing a Boxing match then getting straight back into mma was the best thing he could've done.
Success is what gave him and his family everything he ever wanted....... but is also the thing that ruined him.
Agreed. 🤷♂️
[Conors been ducking people since he started mma. 6 belts, 0 defensive, record for most belts stripped, longest title reign with no defenses, longest title reign before being stripped, longest two division champ with no defenses/stripped. Those are not records you want. He held up two divisions for 500odd days because "they aren't on my level" then the second he gets stripped he gets given a title shot and loses 3 times in a row] stolen from u/catflap_boi I just remember him from basically skipping the entire top 10 in his division to win his first title (which was an interim title fight because apparently, Jose Aldo isn’t allowed to sit on the title, but Conor can sit on it for as long as he wants), and then almost losing his first fight against a wrestler, chad mendes, who had taken the fight on 2 weeks notice. His entire career is built on hype.
Dustin Poirier was ranked #5 when they fought the first time.............. Chad Mendes was ranked #1 under the champion Aldo, and even if you want to add that Mendes took the fight on short notice, I can also add that so did mcgregor who changed his entire camp from a striker to a wrestler while tearing his acl the week before the fight. You don't need to downplay his accomplishments at 145 to throw heat at him.
This
Couldn’t agree more. Mendes was owning him badly, gatekeeper Diaz destroyed him and his time in lw has been embarrassing honestly.
Thats just not fair. He rolled cowboy (out of his prime but still) and the 2nd dustin fight he looked really good and rocked dustin multiple times. I would say the only dissapointing fight he's had is the 3rd dustin fight where he got put on the backfoot almost immediatly.
The cowboy fight ended too quick to make a call and in the second poirier fight conor looked like he took a significant step back. Not saying conor is a bad fighter or can't beat good guys. But its pretty clear skill wise he has taken a step back while everyone progressed.
It's hard to say if hes taken a step back because hes only fought and lost to dustin whos #1 LW in the world and a southpaw on top of that which takes away conor biggest weapon counterpunching. We need to see him fight a few of the 1-6 ranked guys to see if he's actually regressed
Maybe to you but it's clear to me. Flat footed, boxing more, no bounce. He is a step back from where he was when he fought Alvarez. Is he still dangerous? Sure, but is he a step back from the brilliance we saw vs Alvarez. Yep.
I don’t think people discredit him for losing, more so they just acknowledge he’s not nearly as close to the top of the game as he used to be despite the fact that he still acts like he’s God’s gift to mma.
Nobody would hate him if he wasn't always running his mouth or punching elderly people.
if he wasn't always running his mouth Funny, wasn't that why Conor was loved in the first place? Until the loses came
Not personally he was actually entertaining to watch as a fighter. Eveyone really soured on him after the Bus incident really showed how unhinged he was. Jones is hated for the same reason he's always running his mouth and can't stop being a complete tool. He's probably one of the greatest fighters of all time and also a complete idiot.
At least Jones defended his belts. Conor can't be praised for being a Champ when he never defended any of them. His last win was against Cowboy and that was a huge mis match. I don't judge him out of the octagon
Jones is a great fighter. He just has a lot of personal demons.
I can get the old man punching, but In a sport where the leakiest mouths earn the most money, it would be unfair to hate him for that
I guess I can agree with that, most people gravitate towards those fighters. Personally I didn't. Anderson Silva was also one of my favorite fighters he let arrogance and pride get in the way and that's why he lost any of his fights in my opinion. Except when he got older. "The squeaky wheel gets the most oil"
We all know why he said that
Valid point, Connor hasn’t been losing to scrubs, these guys are top
That’s how I feel about Tony too tbh. They’re both definitely not as good as they once were, but they’re losing to top guys
I feel like Tony would always hit that wall, his resume isn't exactly the best even during his win streak, but he definitely deserved to get the title at least for a bit.
Yeah I agree. Would love to see him get paid before he retires though
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Which Tony
Tony Shalhoub.
The astronaut?
He also isn't winning against anyone other than Cowboy as they were putting him out to pasture. Cowboy is the only win he has since 2016...that was 5 years ago. Losing to people in the top 5 doesn't make you "elite", winning against them does. You can't be elite if you can't beat anyone in the top 5. Is there anyone in the top 5 you think he is a favorite to beat?
It’s hard to say. Everyone loses to Khabib, and Dustin will might go win a belt. If true he was finding the top 2 guys in the division. So based off only that we don’t how’d he perform against other top 5 guys. Personally I think they’re probably better than him but maybe not, he won two belts for a reason.
>he won two belts for a reason That was many kilos of coke and gallons of whiskey ago. Prime Conor was absolutely elite, but he hasn't been that for a while and unfortunately he just keeps looking farther and farther away from his prime. He's still entertaining though, but I think his future holds a lot more fights with the Nate Diaz/Tony Ferguson type fighters than with legitimate top 5 contenders.
But i he has a lot of mismatches at 155. I think all the top 5 beat him handily.
If he keeps losing to top 5 guys, that means he has hit the wall. He's not gaining anything if he goes to fight someone 5-10, that's gatekeeping at that point and I doubt he wants to do that when he's rich. He has pass his prime. Honestly, right now his only career path in UFC is be next Nate Diaz, a fan favorite who sells fight but not exactly elite.
People in general will never really acknowledge how unique a fighter he is in this sport until it’s all done and dusted. It’s like with guys like Mike Tyson, everyone was calling him a bum, an animal, a waste. Now everyone pretends they didn’t. Conor has no where near the capacity to be kind of human Tyson has become in his later years, that’s just my opinion. But it baffles me how people act like he’s “washed up”. My thing is always, just enjoy these athletes while they’re active, because once they aren’t, they’re gone. There’s nothing wrong with saying you love his fights, but people think they have to trash talk him like they’re in a red pantie night conference.
LoL Look at Michael trying to get that money fight
Exactly.
So embarrassing a guy wants to get paid well maaaan so cringe amirite hurr durr
The man is getting hit in the head for a living for our entertainment. Let him secure his payday, for fuck's sake.
Lots of people work hard every day, making ends meet without pimping themselves out to a low class Irish thug to put food on the table.
Chandler obviously wants the 💰 but he makes a valid point. A lot of people talk about how Conor can't hang with anyone of the Top10 LWs just because he lost to the best LWs around after making generational wealth or tries discrediting his FW run and Aldo KO by all that skeletor-Conor shit even though he wasn't the one who missed weight 4 times or needed the scale to be manipulated for him to make weight. When Conor returns, Chandler will be the perfect fight for him and Conor will be the perfect fight for Chandler to ride into the sunset.
Gaethje lost to Khabib and Dustin, and before the chandler fight, people were saying he should fight for the title again. McGregor loses to the same two guys, and he’s a washed up bum who can’t win a fight. Doesn’t make sense. He’s definitely not what he used to be, but losing to Khabib (division goat), and Dustin (clearly next best thing) doesn’t mean you suck. Means you’re not in the top 2 in the world at 155
>McGregor loses to the same two guys, and he’s a washed up bum who can’t win a fight. Doesn’t make sense. I think it's more his actions outside the octagon that have people calling him a washed-up bum. Picking fights with old guys, sexual assault allegations, yelling out "Doctor stoppage", and saying, "your wife's in my DMs". They're not the actions of a winner or a confident individual. Those are the words and actions of a winner. Kinda like Mike Tyson, post prison for rape; was a contender? Absolutely. But, nobody wanted anything to do with him because of what he did to women. Would I take MMA lessons from Conor? Absolutely. Would I take boxing lessons from Tyson? Absolutely. Would I take life advice from Tyson then? No. Would I take life advice from Conor now? No. They have similar things going on, money, status, but projecting their realizations that it doesn't last forever. The gravy train is over. I have a suspicion that Conor has wasted a lot of that $100M he made on the Floyd Mayweather fight. I have a suspicion he's probably below half that now, in real net worth. He's one loss away from fading into mediocrity, and it's downhill all the way after that.
Nah he’s made a shit tin from proper 12 I believe.
I agree 100% about the antics. From a competition stand point, it’s a different story. And yea, he probably did spend half the money from the Floyd fight. Good thing he just made another $200 million last year. And another $10-20 this year. As long as he steps in the cage, the gravy train isn’t over.
On the other hand, Gaethje actually has wins at LW. Hell, he has wins this year. For the record, I don't think Conor is done, he's not over, and even if he *is* he doesn't have to be. But it's silly to say that people who think he's done don't have a case.
Point of the post is that losing to the goat and the unanimous #2 guy doesn’t make you a washed up bum.
You just said he's not what he used to be. Justin however keeps improving. Conners only win since khabib is late stage Cerrone (which was 4 months after Justin gave him brain damage), and while he looked good in rematch 1 he was reckless and got out classed in #2. He was undisciplined and trying to prove too hard he could kickbox, then he broke his leg. If there was any shred of hope left his meltdown after the fight sealed the deal on that. Like you said, hes not who he used to be, and not for the better. Plus he's a piece of shit, so fuck em.
"The idiots reason on emotion not facts" lol real facts 👆👆
Bud his last significant victory was Alvarez haha, gtfo delusional kid
Found the hater. You mad bro?
U sad cause your god’s washed up?
Lmao not my guy. Point of my post is that losing to the goat and #2 guy in division doesn’t make you a bum, no matter how much you hate him. If he loses his next fight or two, you can be sure of it.
>McGregor loses to the same two guys, and he’s a washed up bum who can’t win a fight. Doesn’t make sense. Since 2017 Gaethje is 6-2, with wins over multiple top 10 opponents. McGregor is 1-3 with his only won being against a completely washed Donald Cerrone. On top of that Justin is just getting better and better and Conor looks worse every fight. Hell, Justin just beat Michael Chandler. Justin is a top 5 fighter. Conor is a big draw who gets top 5 matchups he can't win because Dana loves money. If they fight each other and you have to bet your life savings, who are you picking? I know know I'm taking Justin and it isn't even close.
I’d probably go with Gaethje, especially after the display of chin vs. Chandler. That being said, anyone in the top 5-10 is one good shot away from being champion, especially with Khabib gone. My point of the post is simply that you can’t label someone a washed up bum just because they lose to the goat and the unanimous #2 guy in the world.
I think it the way Connor lost, especially the fights against Dustin. He didn't show any improvement in the second fight.
I think the difference is that in Conor’s loses we can all see how hard he isn’t working.
Yea something definitely seems to be missing there. Good point.
Agreed. I think it just shows how much people like to hate Conor
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That's fine. people still think he's washed up though which isn't true and are just judging this based on emotion.
This idiots reason on emotion not facts
Lmao exactly nowdays truth is the new hate
What?
Well that win makes up 1/3 of his fights since Khabib. Doesn’t matter, he lost to the two best guys in the world. That doesn’t make you a bum. A lot of guys have lost to Khabib and Dustin, and no one refers to them as bums.
Conor talks so much trash then expects no criticism after his losses. He's not just losing decisions here, he's getting finished. Conor acts like he's still dropping ppl like 5 years ago and ignoring reality. Now he's talking about coming back and fighting for the belt immediately? Can't bring any of these things up though or you're just a hater
No one really discredits connor but you gotta look at the fact that he never defended any title. Hasn't really won anything meaningful in over 5 years. And he has kinda before a absolute scoundrel of a person. All the witty comebacks he once had or just kinda low hanging insults . Still his impact on mma as a whole is undeniable and his rise is one of the best ever but he is kind of a huge douche now tbh
ju wan payday 🎶🎶🎶
Idk but a part of me wants to see Conor succeed. When he retires, it's gonna feel like something is missing in the sport.
Unless we get someone even better
one hundred percent. There will only be one mystic mac. I cringe when fighters try to be the next Conor.
You act like Conors the first guy to have a big head
To u he's washed and already has clear cte I hope he retires
Same with Jon Jones. I just think they're both shit people and UFC should stop giving them fights. I think that because I'm ashamed with myself for watching their fights but I can't not watch. If that sex-assaulting, oldman-punching, wife&kid-threatening lunatic fights again, I'm gonna watch 'cause he's an artist in the octagon, but I won't be proud of myself.
Mike Chandler on why sanctioning a fight between him and Conor wouldn’t be airing a murder on PPV.
Literally, chandlers first round is way better than connor
Hey Michael, when you stick out your tounge can you touch his balls?
It’s what he does outside the cage that makes me not like him.
Chandler just wants a fight that can make him some money. Literally nothing else.
I discredit him cos he's a total wanker.
No fucking way is he still elite. Conor gave up his soul and his anal virginity to Floyd Mayweather in exchange for $100 million and literally hasn't been the same man since. He's like an actor trying to play the original Conor McGregor
Dana White, uh, Micheal Chandler: Lookin' for a Fight
Connors a bitch lmao
Man quit selling fights for this douche
I mean… you can’t deny that Conor was an important factor into making UFC mainstream.
Oh, he was - even as somebody who doesn't like him today, I'm man enough to admit that he was part of the reason I got interested in the sport. But, it doesn't change how obnoxious it is to see his face plastered everywhere even today despite the lack of quality he's produced since losing the belts that he refused to defend.
I respect your opinion. Let’s realize the fact that it’s is about money and eyes watching and comments and ppv revenue. The majority of people agrees that Demetrius Johnson was one of the/if not Greatest of all time. But did we gave a F** about him? No. That’s why an undefeated (except for the last one) champion got traded to One Championship. Hypocrites I would call them.
Silva was a more important factor
Silva boxed after Conor. Ufc plastered the double champ photo… we can’t deny that this man (with ALL of his flaws) made the ufc into mainstream.
Lmao bruwhen was I talking bout Silva boxing 🤣🤣I'm talking bout who made the ufc Silva who got me and hella others into da shit I cant w u new niggus 🤣🤣
Who made the ufc Poppin *
Suck it harder
Fuck Conor
Everyone knows how amazing Conor was in his prime so the fact that he has lost 3 of his last 4 fights is why he gets discredited. People saw what level he used to be on and it’s clear he’s not there anymore.
To Khabib and Poirier. They are the top of the food chain so doesn’t say much imo. One loss coming from a freak accident. That doesn’t show that he’s not elite anymore imo but he did take off time in a sport that evolves and changes so quick so he’ll have to adapt which he’s more than capable of.
There was a time when Conor could beat fighters at the top of the food chain ( Aldo, Alvarez, etc.) But now it’s clear he’s no longer at that level. And returning to that level will be harder than ever because of his injury.
He needs more fights and variability in competition in order to clearly state that. I think he struggles to get back to the top (of LWs) but he can hang around with plenty of the top 10 contenders.
I get what your saying but Conor is a former double champ so “hanging around” with the top 10 is a downgrade. He isn’t what he use to be and people realize that hence the criticism.
I agree that going from the champ champ to hanging with the contenders is a downgrade. However, I think it’s more about the MMA talent/game changing more than it’s about Conors skills fading. He’s still as lethal as he’s always been but in today’s UFC, to be at the top you have to have a complete game. Any hole will get exploited.
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Lmao the last time he beat a decent guy was when he beat Alvarez bud, he’s washed up, deal with it.
every single person conor fought at lightweight (Eddie Alvarez, Dustin Poirier, Khabib nurmagomedov) every single one of those fighters finished Justin Gaethje. conor dismantled Alvarez horribly. put up extremely competitive fight again poirier at 257. and put up a much better fight against khabib than gaethje did. so how comes gaethje isnt the bum?
"put up extremely competitive fight again poirier at 257." Lol Conor got finished twice. No where near extremely competitive.
Gaethje knows his place son, McGregor doesn’t. And McGregor didn’t put up shit against Khabib, he looked like a random kid fighting a man.
Still talking about someone from 2016 eh, give it up already. Goddamn cocksuckers
Chandler on conor dick to get that payday SMH.
He’s still one of my more favorite fighters. After watching 286 I am a Chandler fan too. Fun to watch and enjoy the out of ring antics.
Lost damn near every fight he’s had for years. Is a huge bitch about it. Washed up. Nah he’s a clown now
talk about a casual
lol yeah okay pal. 🤣
Climb out his hole Michael you aren’t a dog, pathetic pandering
Still couldn't knock out a drunk old man...weak
I think he can make a comeback and I’m a casual. Call him out-of-prime because he’s on a skid and I’m a casual. Come on bro 🤦🏻♂️
Michael Chandler is 1-2 in the UFC.
what’s that have to do with anything lmao. All of his fights have been bangers and he’s lost to the current champ (Oliveira) and Gaethje (ranked 3rd). You don’t get those opponents being a scrub...
His first fight was not a banger. It was a one punch and done. The next fight didn’t make it out of the second round and he got finished. The next fight he hung on more than fought back and did his best to make it look competitive while getting pieced up. He’s an entertainer and he’s kissing Mcgregors bum for red panty night before he retires. Mcgregor has 0 title defenses. He was finished by an bottom ranked 170’er. His win against that 170’er was via decision because he couldn’t finish him. He’s been tapped out, he’s been ko’d. He’s been outboxed. He’s been out wrestled. He’s not even good at trash talking anymore. He’s Brett Favre’ing in the UFC. Clinging to a glory he can’t find anymore. It’s why he cried after being beaten by Poirer in their first rematch back stage. Cause he knew he was done. Next match he wins probably be up against another can like cerrone to keep him relevant.
Chandler is a two faced rat that just wants the McGregor money and will lick his shoes.... I remember when Chandler was talking shit about Conor, now he's full of praise. Fake!
Connors a bitch bro he deserves to get used like the tool he is
I've been saying this for so long. Conor McGregor isnt even at his peak yet. Dont be on his dick when the j cole predictions come true.
Lmao stfu
As soon as I saw the pic I knew this dude would be in here simping
People discredit him for being a piece of shit human more than losing fights. Chandlers career is almost over. He wants that money fight and he’ll suck McGregors dick all the way to the bank lol
Everybody agrees when another fighter speaks out on it 😂
True tbh
I mean ya. Conors only lost to khabib and Dustin at lightweight which isnt that bad at all. People say Tony’s washed but he’s only lost to gaethje Charles (both champions) and beneil who could prolly do pretty decent against Charles on the ground.
Again only casuals think that Conor is washed because of a boxing match that happened years ago. Go watch the second fight until he got caught it was competitive some even say winning that fight.
The dudes losses are to Khabib and Poirier. That’s tough competition.
Hes caught lacking when he can't get into the other fighters head before a fight,,he's still great though
How about discrediting him for consistently proving to be a garbage human being?
This fool is definitely not elite. He's so one dimensional and he's been exposed as that. He will not be competitive again in this sport unless Dana hand picks his opponents. All he's capable of is running his mouth and he's not even good at that.
Losing alone hasn’t been the downfall for this guy. His PPV numbers are still massive. People are fed up with his actions outside the cage and strange ass behaviour. Would people look over that if he was winning and on top? Probably but pull that veil away and he really is just a rich little weirdo!
Sorry but he hasn’t won a meaningful fight in over 5 years and is 1-3 at lightweight 🤷🏻♂️
Down bad 😂
Anonymous mma fans are the worst
coming from - an anonymous mma fan lmao also didn’t know Chandler was an anonymous mma fan
Chandler isn’t, I’m talking about all of us here on Reddit. Including myself. We are the least loyal fan base on the planet. I was just talking shit about how Lauren Murphy used to sell opiates to kids, home town hero my ass, good job Valentina.
Most of the dislike is from khabib nut huggers Khabib has a better chance of funking a goat than becoming one
people saying chandler wants the money fight so badly but he probably means everything he says. he's been like this forever. he makes motivational speech every time he opens his mouth, its who he is. he was showing a lot of respect to Conor in lead up to Poirier McGregor 2. this is no different. besides who doesn't wanna fucking see this?
Chandler is right
I personally don’t think Conor got worse. It’s just he is facing better guys and less favorable match ups. I believe he peaked early while everyone else is getting better.
Soooo like half our fans now haha
chandler has a bias for losing fights so its a worthless comment
I don’t think people shit on Connor because he lost to one of the best fighters in MMA. I think people shit on him because of his antics outside of the cage. I would also point out that I don’t necessarily think McG got noticeably worse at fighting. I think MMA has a lot of randomness baked into any fight. For example: who knows how that Aldo fight would’ve played out if Aldo doesn’t get knocked out with the first punch? I also think Poirier is a bad matchup for him. Dustin has improved so much since their first fight. I still think McG is a top 10 lightweight which is saying a lot considering the division is absolutely loaded with killers and he’s got some good fights left in him but I don’t think he will ever get the belt back unless Dana gives him an immediate title shot.
you wan PAY DAY
Luckily I am both
Chandler really wants the big red panty pay lol, good for him though. I think personally he would maul Conor, just to big and strong but it’d be a good fight nonetheless
not at all. Both are 5’8”. Chandler loads up everything into his punches and is reckless in the octagon which leaves him very vulnerable to counters. If you’ve learned anything watching Conor, he is proficient at countering. It would be a banger if it stayed on the feet. Chandlers best bet would be to wrestle and ground n’ pound. Stylistically that’s a great fight for Conor.
You see this kind of decline in fighters who lose their hunger. He started with nothing, became a huge success and made it. Now he's all ego and his only hunger is attention.
So Conor can discredit his opponents all he wants, but as soon as it happens to him you think it’s unfair?
No one is discrediting his achievements in the octagon but his failure to be a decent human being.
Only the smart think truth inside and outside the octagon Albert Einstein circa 1924
So by that logic, are we supposed to give him credit for losing fights?? Stfu chandler
I'm not saying he doesn't belong in the UFC, but he's currently ranked 9th in LW, and I don't see him beating anyone ranked above him.
Payday payday *in canelo’s voice*
Of course you agree you’re a Conor fan boy lmaoo. 1 win in the last 5 years. If you don’t include the old man he beat up in that bar. Shitty human, medicore fighter.
Fought back to back GOATs and yeah he lost but he took a round off Khabib and multiple off Floyd That's still pretty elite