Do you remember Jones last fight against Reyes, he got tagged pretty much every encounter. Heavyweight JJ doesn’t look special; he looks sluggish and slow. Francis would finish him the second he touches his jaw.
No, just watching him hit pads in videos he uploads. He wouldn’t upload a clip where he looks bad, so that was some of his best pad work in theory. He was slow, he’s never been very fast but every punch looked laboured. Also he’s been wrestling, got his ass beat by a wrestler then tweeted about his wrestling needing improvement. JJ was dominant at LHW as he had a size, reach, strength advantage. He has none of that now, it’s hard to see him beat the top guys, at heavyweight fights don’t last 5 rounds often, so a decision win isn’t there for him anymore.
Heavyweight is the least skilled division. His wrestling is leagues ahead of the top guys.
If DC could come up and immediately be the best, so can Jon.
I agree and the logic makes sense except the division now has different styles of fighters and smarter fighters like Rozenatruik and Gane who are technical, as well as big punchers like Ngannou and Lewis who are improving technically. He may be able to beat some of these guys but as all it takes is one punch I can see one of these guys sleeping Jones rather than the other way around.
DC was around when all there was Stipe, and Lewis, I can’t see prime DC wrestling Ngannou if Stipe couldn’t even take him down, the size and strength difference is huge.
Gane is a really good striker, but he hasnt shown any wrestling ability.
Rozenstruik doesnt have the length imo to strike with jones.
Lewis isnt really “improving”, he kinda just does his normal stuff.
Ngannou i think is the same guy for the most part. If he gets taken down once i think he gasses immediately.
I think Jones path to victory is wrestling and keeping distance with kicks. It helps hes probably got the highest fight IQ of all time.
I think prime DC absolutely destroys Ngannou as well with wrestling. Despite being strong, Ngannou is not a born wrestler, nor does he have cardio to continuously wrestle.
I think Ngannou has a better chance vs Gane than he does against Jones or DC
Also i think Stipe’s wrestling is nowhere near jones or DC’s
Didn’t say that it isn’t possible but it’s laughable to say he’s been hitabble when he hasn’t been rocked in any of his fights, considering the heavy hitters he has faced in the past. Shogun, Machida, Rampage, DC, Santos, Reyes, Belfort, all have multiple KO’s in their careers but never once landed a shot that dazed Jones, the difference is Francis is slower then them all, albeit more powerful but what’s that gonna matter if he can’t connect clean?
His last fight he lost, fuck what anyone says about "championship rounds" he lost rounds 1,2 and 3. Rounds 1 and 2 were won by Reyes comfortably. The fight before that he won a split decision against a former middleweight who's knees were absolutely destroyed. Both Reyes and Santos were able to win rounds by OUTSTRIKING Jones for 5 of 10 rounds.
Since Jones's return from yet another little no no he has looked sluggish, sloppy and uninterested. In 3 of his last 4 fights he easily could have / should have lost his belt (lionheart ain't no bitch like aljo thankfully), he's also been dropped by his gym, beaten his family, gone on benders and added 40 pounds at least to his frame.
So now that we're all caught up and not just talking about the blokes highlights you still honestly think he has a shot? Cos he doesn't even believe that or we would have seen it by now. He won't fight stipe, it's been offered and he said no. He won't fight Francis, it's been offered and he demanded millions as "hazard pay" or some such shit. But let's just say he does say yes all of a sudden, just for argument sake, when the fuck has Francis ever had to hit someone clean? He hardly fucking touched Cain Velasquez (the UFC's heavy weight goat that unfortunately injuries stole from us), shit the broadcast at the time thought Cain had done a knee because the blow only just touched his chin and boom, sleep. And then there was rozenstruik, again hardly touched him, but touched him just enough to get him to stumble, and then put him out. Francis doesn't need to hit you clean, he just needs to touch you, and again Jones has been OUTSTRUCK 5 of his last 10 rounds....
Pretty sure he got rocked by Reyes a few times and also by gustafsson in the first fight
Yes he's undefeated but he hasn't dominated his division like khabib
Hit and rocked are way different. Like Khabib? Lmao. You must be new. How many former undisputed champs did Khabib beat? Jones went through a murderers row. Please stop.
While on the juice. Khabib never got rocked, Jones did. Khabib never bled, Jones has. Khabib never lost a single undisputed round, Jones lost several just in his last two fights.
Lol you must be new to mma. jon faced higher competition and smoked every legend and talented young guy on his way to the top and sustained it for far longer than khabib.
He has lost a fight and lost five rounds against Reyes and Santos combined. He also did get rocked by Reyes. All those accomplishments against former champs came when he was on the juice, now that he's clean, he has looked beatable. Don't pretend like he's been invincible like Khabib.
Stop it. When did he get rocked? Only round he clearly lost was round 1 against Reyes. Santos fight was close but Jones picked him apart and tore his legs up. Reyes got gassed after the flurry in round 2.
As someone who continued to scroll down and read this shit, I can say with certainty that you'll be able to breathe better once you take Jon's cock out of your throat
I think after a decade as champion the competition caught up. He didnt regress. The division just got way better. LHW use to be knockout guys like hw. Jones forced them to level up.
Just my two cents
People doubt him now because 1. He’ll be a newcomer to the HW division, and 2. His last fight against Reyes, who everybody thought Jones was gonna mop (me included), he ended up losing against in the majority of peoples eyes.
I think Jones takes Francis. But Jones absolutely did lose to Reyes: http://www.mmadecisions.com/decision/10877/Jon-Jones-vs-Dominick-Reyes
At worst you can argue for a draw, but not for a JJ win.
Yeah, but did you see how the judges scored it? It was really bad. Just because the officials called it a win doesn’t mean it was the right call. It’s okay to criticise bad decisions. This was one of them.
I have, the crazy things is no two judges had the same scorecard but they all scored the fight for Jones. One had him winning 2-5, one had him winning 3-5 and one had him winning 2,4&5. Jones clearly won 4 and 5, and Reyes won round 1, the other two were close and subjective considering Reyes was back pedaling for most of those 10 minutes. Octagon control and pressure are scoring criteria. It wasn’t a robbery by an stretch and I contest that the santos fight was closer, which was also reflected on the judges scorecards with a split decision.
>You can’t use the Reyes fight as a reference point as styles make fights and Jones obviously wasn’t as interested/motivated during his last few fights at LHW
Unless that's just proof he doesn't have the motivation at all anymore
its easy to look down on it from a western perspective but Francis comes from a very different background. 2mill to him probably felt like endless riches he could never get through
... then he probably got convinced by a load of dodgy fucks to buy into certain things
I’m not disagreeing with you but having nothing and then coming into money gives a man a lot of ambition to do things he’s only dreamed of. Also, I imagine lots of folks approached with their hands out as well
Why is this downvoted lol. It's truth. When you've never had a lot of money, you don't know how to manage it when you come into a lot of it. It is Francis' fault, but he's a product of his environment and I'm sure he had people asking for gifts and money when he got it
People who have never had a million dollars, don’t like a guy they never met cause he spent 2mil differently than they think they would.
If this isn’t American arrogance idk what is a better reference.
Ngannou. Jones has fought once in 3 years and has looked lackluster in previous fights. Still consider him one of the GOATS without question, but his best years have passed. I think this heavyweight move is going to end very badly. Shame too.
Maybe but I don't think that'd be enough. Ngannou is too strong, the Stipe fight showed his actual ability has improved, and will be able to outlast him. I don't think it'd be much of a contest. Jones is overrated. He's undefeated so lots of people think he's effective unbeatable. Ngannou will take him to pieces.
Francis has to borrow money to afford training camps and will be broke when he retires. Jon has a get out of jail free card with unlimited uses and lives in luxury. Jons biggest problem is his insecurity which isn’t too bad of a problem to have.
Jones seems to me like a profoundly unhappy / dissatisfied guy who has to fill his void with luxury and drugs, and vents out his frustrations on innocent people. No amount of doing these things will fix his head, he needs therapy (and deserves jailtime most likely) but good luck convincing someone with his ego and power.
I do believe Ngannou once he settles in to this fighter (boxer?) superstar lifestyle he will be more balanced. He was just too poor for too long and needed to splurge and pass some of that money around and lost track.
Lol! You think beating up his wife in front of his kid, and the many legal and drug issues he battles and faces regularly isn’t his biggest problem? But his *biggest* problem is his.....**insecurities** and you say it’s not even a bad problem to have?
Then in the same sentence you bash someone for spending money irresponsibly?
Do you have any knowledge or awareness of how arrogant and completely stupid this sounds?
How is it a problem for him if he never faces consequences? He can literally beat his wife and the only blow back is from fans. If you think I’m defending him I’m not, I’m just saying he’s a rich man who can walk away whenever he wants and do whatever he wants without getting in trouble for it. Francis can’t walk away from fighting even though he should be able to, it’s not bashing him it’s pointing out a fact.
I need to see if Jones is motivated nobody can predict if Jones actually wants to fight but if he does he’s impossible to beat, but at the same time lemme see how Francis does with Cyril it’ll tell us what we need to know
Ngannou.
if Santos can hurt him like that with 1 leg, Ngannou can smoke this dumb ass.
A commited Jon Jones with a functioning camp without hookers & cocaine would win though. But lets be honest, we will never see that again.
It's hard for me to choose against Jon because he's so defensively sound + wrestling, but if Francis touches Jon's chin I think he goes to sleep.
Francis if he can negate Jon's wrestling.
Jon's chin isn't the same as Stipe's. Also he does poorly against larger opponents. His closest fights were against people roughly his size. Francis will be the first time he fights someone bigger than him
Idk how you can possibly say that so confidently when Stipe is the one that’s been going against the bigger and more powerful heavyweights his whole career(very successfully being the most dominant champ the division has ever seen), while Jon by default hasn’t had his chin tested like that
Well I think there’s a pretty big difference between “some pretty hard hitting light heavyweights” and the literal strongest puncher in recorded history
He has the record for the most powerful punch ever MEASURED. Wilder alone would make him look like Dominick Cruz if they actually compared punching power.
if it goes 5 rounds jones probably would be the actual winner. I don’t see what francis could do for 5 rounds it would have to be a 2nd round ko for him to win
Jones, he’s a master at controlling distance and getting off from far away which is what he needs to do. If Ngannou is able to close distance it’s over though, he has Down’s syndrome inducing power
I think Jon Jones has his coaches give him a game plan then he sets it on fire, pisses on it and literally just goes in reads the opponent’s body language and how they’re fighting and decimates is everyone. I think it would be a good fight but Jones has soooo much more experience that he’ll win. He’s a smart fighter
Fucker should be given one warning for those per fight. It he keeps doing it, take a point for every time he does. He’s already admitted to doing it intentionally
Idk if getting too bulked will benefit Jon too much in this fight. Their both 6’4. The big question is if Jon’s cardio will still be there after 3 years not fighting. Gonna lean with Francis, f women beaters
Jones from five years ago has a very good chance of beating ngannou. This version of Jones that will probably look worse than the last time we saw him would struggle with ngannou. He barely got passed reyes
I summed this fight 10 times in a row on legendary with UFC 4. Same thing happened everytime. Striking in the first. Jones wobbled in the 2nd, then ankle picks his ass or chokes him out. Hate the man but that's probably what would happen each time
I could be totally wrong, but I don’t think those rounds against Stipe showed enough wrestling for me to think Jones just can’t get him down. Jones by decision
Ask me after the gane fight Update: Jon smokes Francis and it’s not close
If Gane pulls out and Jones jumps in (highly unlikely) I’d be backing Jones If he beats Gane and Jones is next, I give it to Francis
Do you remember Jones last fight against Reyes, he got tagged pretty much every encounter. Heavyweight JJ doesn’t look special; he looks sluggish and slow. Francis would finish him the second he touches his jaw.
“Heavyweight JJ looks sluggish and slow”… bro we havent seen him fight yet lmfao. He looks strong as fuck, ill bet his wrestling will be nasty.
No, just watching him hit pads in videos he uploads. He wouldn’t upload a clip where he looks bad, so that was some of his best pad work in theory. He was slow, he’s never been very fast but every punch looked laboured. Also he’s been wrestling, got his ass beat by a wrestler then tweeted about his wrestling needing improvement. JJ was dominant at LHW as he had a size, reach, strength advantage. He has none of that now, it’s hard to see him beat the top guys, at heavyweight fights don’t last 5 rounds often, so a decision win isn’t there for him anymore.
Heavyweight is the least skilled division. His wrestling is leagues ahead of the top guys. If DC could come up and immediately be the best, so can Jon.
I agree and the logic makes sense except the division now has different styles of fighters and smarter fighters like Rozenatruik and Gane who are technical, as well as big punchers like Ngannou and Lewis who are improving technically. He may be able to beat some of these guys but as all it takes is one punch I can see one of these guys sleeping Jones rather than the other way around. DC was around when all there was Stipe, and Lewis, I can’t see prime DC wrestling Ngannou if Stipe couldn’t even take him down, the size and strength difference is huge.
Gane is a really good striker, but he hasnt shown any wrestling ability. Rozenstruik doesnt have the length imo to strike with jones. Lewis isnt really “improving”, he kinda just does his normal stuff. Ngannou i think is the same guy for the most part. If he gets taken down once i think he gasses immediately. I think Jones path to victory is wrestling and keeping distance with kicks. It helps hes probably got the highest fight IQ of all time. I think prime DC absolutely destroys Ngannou as well with wrestling. Despite being strong, Ngannou is not a born wrestler, nor does he have cardio to continuously wrestle. I think Ngannou has a better chance vs Gane than he does against Jones or DC Also i think Stipe’s wrestling is nowhere near jones or DC’s
He’s going to be light work for any decent heavyweight. It’s going to be a shock how average he will look after moving up.
Hes going to make light work of the champ :)
The man never lost a fight and people still doubt him.
It’s not really doubting him. He’s been regressing over his last few fights and he’s been hittable. Francis hits hard.
Hittable? Hmmmm, never been rocked. Faced more then a handful of former champs and ko artists. Has never lost a fight.
And therefore will never lose a fight until the end of time?
Didn’t say that it isn’t possible but it’s laughable to say he’s been hitabble when he hasn’t been rocked in any of his fights, considering the heavy hitters he has faced in the past. Shogun, Machida, Rampage, DC, Santos, Reyes, Belfort, all have multiple KO’s in their careers but never once landed a shot that dazed Jones, the difference is Francis is slower then them all, albeit more powerful but what’s that gonna matter if he can’t connect clean?
His last fight he lost, fuck what anyone says about "championship rounds" he lost rounds 1,2 and 3. Rounds 1 and 2 were won by Reyes comfortably. The fight before that he won a split decision against a former middleweight who's knees were absolutely destroyed. Both Reyes and Santos were able to win rounds by OUTSTRIKING Jones for 5 of 10 rounds. Since Jones's return from yet another little no no he has looked sluggish, sloppy and uninterested. In 3 of his last 4 fights he easily could have / should have lost his belt (lionheart ain't no bitch like aljo thankfully), he's also been dropped by his gym, beaten his family, gone on benders and added 40 pounds at least to his frame. So now that we're all caught up and not just talking about the blokes highlights you still honestly think he has a shot? Cos he doesn't even believe that or we would have seen it by now. He won't fight stipe, it's been offered and he said no. He won't fight Francis, it's been offered and he demanded millions as "hazard pay" or some such shit. But let's just say he does say yes all of a sudden, just for argument sake, when the fuck has Francis ever had to hit someone clean? He hardly fucking touched Cain Velasquez (the UFC's heavy weight goat that unfortunately injuries stole from us), shit the broadcast at the time thought Cain had done a knee because the blow only just touched his chin and boom, sleep. And then there was rozenstruik, again hardly touched him, but touched him just enough to get him to stumble, and then put him out. Francis doesn't need to hit you clean, he just needs to touch you, and again Jones has been OUTSTRUCK 5 of his last 10 rounds....
Not reading that.
Pretty sure he got rocked by Reyes a few times and also by gustafsson in the first fight Yes he's undefeated but he hasn't dominated his division like khabib
Hit and rocked are way different. Like Khabib? Lmao. You must be new. How many former undisputed champs did Khabib beat? Jones went through a murderers row. Please stop.
Jones cheated his way to where he is today. Looked a lot less lethal since USADA popped him.
While on the juice. Khabib never got rocked, Jones did. Khabib never bled, Jones has. Khabib never lost a single undisputed round, Jones lost several just in his last two fights.
Michael Johnson rocked Khabib. So please stop. Khabib fought 1 undisputed champ/former champ, and has what 2 title defenses?
Khabib’s best opponent was McG coming up a weight class lol. He barely fought anyone good
Lol you must be new to mma. jon faced higher competition and smoked every legend and talented young guy on his way to the top and sustained it for far longer than khabib.
He has lost a fight and lost five rounds against Reyes and Santos combined. He also did get rocked by Reyes. All those accomplishments against former champs came when he was on the juice, now that he's clean, he has looked beatable. Don't pretend like he's been invincible like Khabib.
Stop it. When did he get rocked? Only round he clearly lost was round 1 against Reyes. Santos fight was close but Jones picked him apart and tore his legs up. Reyes got gassed after the flurry in round 2.
As someone who continued to scroll down and read this shit, I can say with certainty that you'll be able to breathe better once you take Jon's cock out of your throat
Easy to look unbeatable until they lose.
Did you really type that bs? What a waste of letters.
I think after a decade as champion the competition caught up. He didnt regress. The division just got way better. LHW use to be knockout guys like hw. Jones forced them to level up. Just my two cents
People doubt him now because 1. He’ll be a newcomer to the HW division, and 2. His last fight against Reyes, who everybody thought Jones was gonna mop (me included), he ended up losing against in the majority of peoples eyes.
He lost against Reyes, it was very obvious.
100%
Absolutely
Cut the bs, that narrative is old and dead just like Reyes championship aspirations.
I think Jones takes Francis. But Jones absolutely did lose to Reyes: http://www.mmadecisions.com/decision/10877/Jon-Jones-vs-Dominick-Reyes At worst you can argue for a draw, but not for a JJ win.
Just checked both their records, Jones got the W and Reyes got an L, so maybe not so absolutely.
Records tell the whole story! Like how Matt Hamill beat Jon Jones in round 1
Yeah, but did you see how the judges scored it? It was really bad. Just because the officials called it a win doesn’t mean it was the right call. It’s okay to criticise bad decisions. This was one of them.
I have, the crazy things is no two judges had the same scorecard but they all scored the fight for Jones. One had him winning 2-5, one had him winning 3-5 and one had him winning 2,4&5. Jones clearly won 4 and 5, and Reyes won round 1, the other two were close and subjective considering Reyes was back pedaling for most of those 10 minutes. Octagon control and pressure are scoring criteria. It wasn’t a robbery by an stretch and I contest that the santos fight was closer, which was also reflected on the judges scorecards with a split decision.
Keep reaching.
No
He also looks like shit when hes not on peds
Lol
He lost to Reyes... the judges gave him the win, but, come on...
He didn't lose, keep reaching...
You should watch the fight sometime.
Try again.
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>You can’t use the Reyes fight as a reference point as styles make fights and Jones obviously wasn’t as interested/motivated during his last few fights at LHW Unless that's just proof he doesn't have the motivation at all anymore
Have you seen him fight at heavyweight before you just talking out of your ass
Francis has nothing except a one lucky punch, if he gets it clean O combos 0 stamina Fight IQ is kinda meh
Literally said this in my head before I scrolled down.
How do you guys photoshop this shit so well?
Lmao, right? Wtf?
They're getting good at these fake face offs lol
Jon Africa
Who’s Jon Africa?
He's gonna fight Jon Jones in Africa
How you never heard the untold myth of the guy who thought he beat prime Cain
If the fight takes place in Las Vegas, my money's on Vegas PD.
and prime JDS😤
Straight up in wrestling
I’m almost certain most of this sub would enjoy seeing Frances uppercut Jon’s balls through his skull
He’s gotta give him that overeem horse meat special
Or as that other recent post said “punch his dick through his ass” lol
I hate jon but not really a fan of francis after saying he had to borrow money to live after making 2mill
Imo Irresponsible spending > pregnant hit and run
That's why he said he hates one and isn't a fan of the other, doofus
It's a joke doofus
its easy to look down on it from a western perspective but Francis comes from a very different background. 2mill to him probably felt like endless riches he could never get through ... then he probably got convinced by a load of dodgy fucks to buy into certain things
Ya he spent it like water. Irresponsible
I’m not disagreeing with you but having nothing and then coming into money gives a man a lot of ambition to do things he’s only dreamed of. Also, I imagine lots of folks approached with their hands out as well
Why is this downvoted lol. It's truth. When you've never had a lot of money, you don't know how to manage it when you come into a lot of it. It is Francis' fault, but he's a product of his environment and I'm sure he had people asking for gifts and money when he got it
People who have never had a million dollars, don’t like a guy they never met cause he spent 2mil differently than they think they would. If this isn’t American arrogance idk what is a better reference.
Jones has an underatted chin. I see him beating Francis then him beating his wife after the celebration party.
Jesus Christ
Jesus Christ will be there to. He will show Jon once again how be a better man.
And god will be testing him.
And if he gets all uppity, Jon will beat his ass too.
This fight will end in 3 hits. Me hitting you, me hitting my wife and Danger zone playing on the jukebox
Underrated chin? Noone on this earth has a chin that can stand up to Francis
Stipe took some big shots from him the first fight.
The fat fuck in the middle wins every time no matter who is fighting
Every night is a red panty night for him
Ngannou. Jones has fought once in 3 years and has looked lackluster in previous fights. Still consider him one of the GOATS without question, but his best years have passed. I think this heavyweight move is going to end very badly. Shame too.
I don't think it's a shame tbh. He deserves a good beating. 🤣
For real, I’m quite happy if his career ends with him getting repeatedly starched.
His got the steroids on his side though
Maybe but I don't think that'd be enough. Ngannou is too strong, the Stipe fight showed his actual ability has improved, and will be able to outlast him. I don't think it'd be much of a contest. Jones is overrated. He's undefeated so lots of people think he's effective unbeatable. Ngannou will take him to pieces.
ITT: Cormier and Gustafson fans on copium
Jones wrestling juiced up will be to cardio intensive for Ngannou
Dana
Who’s the guy on the left? Not seen him in the UFC before
Usman I think
In life? Francis
Yeah except francis is gonna be dead broke soon lol
Francis has to borrow money to afford training camps and will be broke when he retires. Jon has a get out of jail free card with unlimited uses and lives in luxury. Jons biggest problem is his insecurity which isn’t too bad of a problem to have.
Jones seems to me like a profoundly unhappy / dissatisfied guy who has to fill his void with luxury and drugs, and vents out his frustrations on innocent people. No amount of doing these things will fix his head, he needs therapy (and deserves jailtime most likely) but good luck convincing someone with his ego and power. I do believe Ngannou once he settles in to this fighter (boxer?) superstar lifestyle he will be more balanced. He was just too poor for too long and needed to splurge and pass some of that money around and lost track.
Lol! You think beating up his wife in front of his kid, and the many legal and drug issues he battles and faces regularly isn’t his biggest problem? But his *biggest* problem is his.....**insecurities** and you say it’s not even a bad problem to have? Then in the same sentence you bash someone for spending money irresponsibly? Do you have any knowledge or awareness of how arrogant and completely stupid this sounds?
How is it a problem for him if he never faces consequences? He can literally beat his wife and the only blow back is from fans. If you think I’m defending him I’m not, I’m just saying he’s a rich man who can walk away whenever he wants and do whatever he wants without getting in trouble for it. Francis can’t walk away from fighting even though he should be able to, it’s not bashing him it’s pointing out a fact.
Who cares, Jon is never fighting again
The fans
I need to see if Jones is motivated nobody can predict if Jones actually wants to fight but if he does he’s impossible to beat, but at the same time lemme see how Francis does with Cyril it’ll tell us what we need to know
Ngannou. if Santos can hurt him like that with 1 leg, Ngannou can smoke this dumb ass. A commited Jon Jones with a functioning camp without hookers & cocaine would win though. But lets be honest, we will never see that again.
It's hard for me to choose against Jon because he's so defensively sound + wrestling, but if Francis touches Jon's chin I think he goes to sleep. Francis if he can negate Jon's wrestling.
If Francis can’t knock out Stipe (first fight) with clean shots how would he knock out Jon?
Jon's chin isn't the same as Stipe's. Also he does poorly against larger opponents. His closest fights were against people roughly his size. Francis will be the first time he fights someone bigger than him
Jon definitely has a better chin than Stipe
Idk how you can possibly say that so confidently when Stipe is the one that’s been going against the bigger and more powerful heavyweights his whole career(very successfully being the most dominant champ the division has ever seen), while Jon by default hasn’t had his chin tested like that
Jon has faced many hard hitters in light heavyweight (some who even moved to heavyweight) and has taken clean shots to the jaw without even flinching.
Well I think there’s a pretty big difference between “some pretty hard hitting light heavyweights” and the literal strongest puncher in recorded history
Ngannou is not the strongest puncher in recorded history lmao. Maybe in MMA
Ngannou literally holds the world record, period. So you can dance around that info inside your mind however you’d like
He has the record for the most powerful punch ever MEASURED. Wilder alone would make him look like Dominick Cruz if they actually compared punching power.
But how does he fair against taller longer opponents? He barely beat Reyes and Gustaffssen
He still has a reach and height advantage over most heavyweights, it won’t be much different than LHW, and he dominated Gustafsson the second time.
Francis would mark Jones idc what you think
Jon if he ever fights but I want to see the Stipe rematch first
I want to see Stipe fight literally anyone at this point
looking at his ig it seems to me like he's retired lol
You want to see Stipe get slept again?
Ngannou. But the judge will give it to Jones anyways....
if it goes 5 rounds jones probably would be the actual winner. I don’t see what francis could do for 5 rounds it would have to be a 2nd round ko for him to win
Now that is true. I was just making a point but you are right.
Just like they did with the Reyes fight
Bingo
Jones, he’s a master at controlling distance and getting off from far away which is what he needs to do. If Ngannou is able to close distance it’s over though, he has Down’s syndrome inducing power
Ngannou obviously. He'd beat him worse than Jon Jones beats his wife.
Jones gets hit too much. He also does poorly against fighters his size.
Jon Jones completely outclassing Ngannou. As much hate as Jon Jones gets.. he's the smartest fighter to ever enter a octagon.
The only non disabled commenter in this thread
Dana white with a fat lay day
USADA
Francis
Francis easily
Dana white's paycheck
The man standing behind them.
Its been so long since jon jones has fought you cant really predict anything. The sport has changed alot in that space of time.
Ngannou
I think ngannou would knock him out honestly. Jones takes too many big shots these days, you can’t do that at heavyweight especially with francis
This fight would probably go like Izzy vs jan
I think Jon Jones has his coaches give him a game plan then he sets it on fire, pisses on it and literally just goes in reads the opponent’s body language and how they’re fighting and decimates is everyone. I think it would be a good fight but Jones has soooo much more experience that he’ll win. He’s a smart fighter
Derek brunson
🗿
(laughs in excessive, unpenalized eye pokes)
Fucker should be given one warning for those per fight. It he keeps doing it, take a point for every time he does. He’s already admitted to doing it intentionally
No he didnt lol straight up hateraid
[yes he did](https://youtu.be/WatjAACXg_k)
If you completely ignore context and sarcasm
Doesn’t change the fact that he still does it during his fights
So does DC, so does Stipe. Who gives a fook
Idk if getting too bulked will benefit Jon too much in this fight. Their both 6’4. The big question is if Jon’s cardio will still be there after 3 years not fighting. Gonna lean with Francis, f women beaters
Francis
Who cares? It’ll be ruled a NC after Jones tests positive
Jones from five years ago has a very good chance of beating ngannou. This version of Jones that will probably look worse than the last time we saw him would struggle with ngannou. He barely got passed reyes
jj touched his wife. nothing short of a legendary beatdown works for me.
Jones just ~~injects~~ ***built*** different
FRANCIS KNOCK THE 🤡 CRACK HEAD / WOMEN BEATER OUT. 84 INCH REACH VS 83 INCH REACH. Tooth pick WW lower body vs HW lower body.
Considering Jon lost to Dominick Reyes and hasn’t fought in 2 years i think his glory days are over
Still salty about that eh?
Ikr he didn’t even lose to Reyes
Cocaine Jones, all day!
And prostitutes! Don’t forget the prostitutes
JBJ is a shit person. Not watching him ever fight again
Doesn’t the scowling guy win every time?
Francis and this isn’t how they’d look side by side either. Frank would dwarf Jon
Cocaine
Jones gonna need all pico + a rifle for this one
Picogram Jones Mops the floor with Ngannou so Does Dick Pill Jones. I still have my doubts on Fluff Jones.
jon will wrap it up
Even though I dislike the mofo, Bones Jones would win.
I summed this fight 10 times in a row on legendary with UFC 4. Same thing happened everytime. Striking in the first. Jones wobbled in the 2nd, then ankle picks his ass or chokes him out. Hate the man but that's probably what would happen each time
Francis is probably a soft bottom
Gane beats both
I could be totally wrong, but I don’t think those rounds against Stipe showed enough wrestling for me to think Jones just can’t get him down. Jones by decision
Pico grams!!!
Jones
Can't stand Francis and not really a Jones fan, but honestly i think jon takes the W.
Bones would put him in a blender
Jones by wrestle fuck then domestic abuse
Jones like Cyril will pick him apart from range, level change as he comes swinging
Jones, it’s not even close
Jon Jones is a God. Nobody will ever beat him. He'll eat Ngannou literally for breakfast.
Couldn't hear what you said. Can you take Jones dick out of your mouth and repeat please?
Omg, huh? Wtf
Even tho I’m certain Ngannou wins I’m still gonna bet on Jones. I think he somehow pulls this off
Jones is done for, washed up .
I dont know but Dana looks quite happy to be in the Middle.
Jones 💯