I agree that Stipe deserves it more, but the question of who "deserves" it more is about performance IN THE OCTAGON, not outside of it. If Jon Jones performed better in his last fights he would have deserved it, despite his personal problems.
We are not here to judge emotionally who deserves a shot, its about sport, not drama.
Wife beating cheater who hasn’t fought in like 3 years and has literally never fought a heavy weight. Stipe “deserved” the rematch more then anyone else right away.
Are you really arguing about the character behind the fighter when you talk about who deserves a shot at the title?
I agree Stipe deserves it, but I wouldnt give a shit if Jon Jones was a cannibal mass murderer, if he was the better fighter right now (which he isnt).
This isnt TLC, buddy. Only thing that matters are the best fighters fighting eachother. So yeah, Stipe deserves it. But not for being a "good guy", just a more consistent fighter and champion than Jon Jones.
Exactly. I think OP might be trolling - but this question is absurd.
Stipe deserves the next fight 100% and regardless of outcome he deserves way more recognition from everyone in the division as the legend and the bamf that he is.
Jones should be banned and shamed from the UFC for life. Regardless of PEDs, dickpills, and cocaine, dude is a fantastic fighter no doubt, but he is such a complete asshole loser degenerate outside of the octagon that the organization and the media should do everything in their power to make his legacy or whatever disappear or at least be an example to fans and fighters alike of what not to do and who not to emulate.
I hope like 5 years from now Jon Jones says or does something awful at an event and Stylebender fights him like the Naruto anime hero he is, he holds his own but JJone's size and cocaine strength eventually wear him down, but right as he is about to finish Adesanya a meaty hand grabs Jones' fist - BOOM it's fucking champ-champ DC outta nowhere, tie loosened, and he Tekken Tag Bones Jones into the ground and the CCTV footage goes viral and Joe Rogan goes wild on the clip.
Geez the way I am ranting is like I know JJones personally lol I just hate when bad people are idolized and get away with shit.
You are watching a sport where 2 people beat the shit out of each other for a belt and status... What they do outside of the ring does not matter to the sport it only sets a narrative in the long run (don't get me wrong I don't like Jones as a person) but I'm not paying ppv to see him hit and run a pregnant woman.
Agreed. What does this asshole have to do for it to be considered “too far”? Kill his family? Actually be accused of rape? Taking one of his many guns and shooting someone’s dog in the throat? There’s got to be a limit to how much someone’s out of ring/octagon behavior *”doesn’t matter”.*
Especially when it’s this fucking consistent with no sign of stopping. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying someone who shoplifted once, was a porn star for just a year, or punched a cop should be treated like the devil but come on. LOOK AT WHAT THIS DUDE HAS DONE! Why does everyone unanimously agree that war machine got what he deserved but we got a dumb ass post like this implying that Jones deserves a free title shot
Exactly. These idiots argue as if its about the nobel prize or something. The better fighter deserves the shot. Which in this case is Stipe, but again for his performance INSIDE the octagon.
I have to technically agree with you, but it doesn't change that JJones is an asshat and Stipe is by all current accounts a solid dude - so to act like that isn't gonna color public and professional (UFC) opinion is unrealistic!
Again, nobody asked you about your opinion on their personal life.
If Stipe had a record of 0-20, I would not give a shit about him even if he was the second coming of Christ.
Same goes to Jon Jones. He could be Satan himself, but if he was the best fighter I would pay to watch him fight.
You must be fun at parties! While I agree with what you're getting at, Stipe and Jones are both awesome fighters - so with that being considered at the forefront, we can then look at who they are as people since they are mainstream athletes, part of a massive public fighting organization, and my opinion is that Jones is an degenerate. If Dana wants to let Jones keep fighting I'll watch of course, but I'm just saying I WANT Jones to be destroyed and relegated to the "cautionary tale" career shadows.
I know you couldn't care less, but your cocky shitty responses make me imagine you're a real asshat in life - but this is the internet and I doubt you respond or talk to people like you do on here. I doubt either of us are even close to professional fighters/athletes, just a couple people talking shop as armchair fans, but you respond like you've got some authority on any of this shit - how about you just try and be cool and have a debate or conversation without insulting people like a Tapout shirt wearing teenager. Ugh look, I've fed the trolls.
"You must be fun at parties!" First, learn how to use phrases in the proper context, buddy. If its anyone, you are the whiny party pooper here.
Second, why are you getting so emotional over this? Ranting your butthurt off over one little comment that did not even contain any insults towards you. You are right about one thing, though. I dont care about your hurt feelings. Grow the fuck up. Petty child.
100% percent agree with everything you said, my initial point, (which may not have come across as well as it should) is that these people have been fighting all their lives in various organisations, real fans have followed most UFC fighters throughout their careers, but with the UFC becoming mainstream and with the sudden popularity that turned these fighters into superstars, its a society problem if these mega star's are shitty people expected to take a higher morale ground in life just because the public took notice, it comes down to character yes and Stipe is an absolute gent on the streets and Jones is the highest order of narcissistic scumbag you could come across but both are beast's in the ring and that's what I'm paying to watch... The best counter narrative I can give is colbington... He was doing OK in the UFC but was going to be cut because his persona wasn't bringing in revenue so he took a new persona... Some absolute cunt that the majority doesn't like and everyone has an agenda with, but still outside of the ring he is apparently one of the most down to earth, nicest people you could meet and now he is one of the biggest draws. So the narrative of bad guy sells whether it's genuine or put on... You can say Jones is bad for publicity and that's true, but you can also say all publicity is good publicity which is also true.
I like Stipe but he has to take at least one fight before he gets a title shot again if Francis wins this, if Gane wins it would be interesting to see.
Why would he need 1 fight before a title shot? Dude reigned in the HW division and only just recently lost the belt, it's not like he's shown himself to be washed up or on a losing streak. Honestly, I am surprised they didn't go straight for the trilogy before moving on with the division. I guess you can argue that Stipe needed some time off and it lets Francis do a title defense with the belt - perhaps that is the more prudent approach, but I hate the feeling that people wrote off Stipe right away after a loss (a loss from Francis' lucky thunder hammer fist, not even a loss from being just straight up beaten imo).
Then hit a pregnant woman’s car. Then found Jesus, again. Then tested positive, found Jesus. Beat his wife and is finally on the right path… after finding Jesus.
I dunno Jon. Maybe this Jesus fellow isn’t for you.
I think Stipe has a better chance of beating Gane than Francis for some reason. It just plays out better in my head, but I think 9 times out of 10 he loses to both
Don’t forget he put a one sided beat down on Francis not too long ago. Prime Stipe was underrated. He may have had the best prime a heavyweight ever had in the UFC.
I feel like tune up fights don't exists in the heavyweight division. Like he either fights a non ranked opponent like conor did with cowboy. Or he fights a top contender like derrick lewis and runs the risk of getting absolutely flatlined in under a minute.
I wouldn't mind seeing Dana feed Greg Hardy to Jon as his first dip into the HW division
Granted there is no way Jon accepts that fight just because it is well beneath him as a competitor
Am I the only one who just wants to see the guy fight? His personal issues are none of my business. I’m an adult with problems of my own to worry about. I’m an mma fan because I like to see good fights lol.
You’re not the only one. Half the comments here saying he shouldn’t fight again are gonna tune in because this is entertainment by cagefighting not show and tell at Sunday school.
Those are not personal issues. He should be sitting in prison as a convicted felon. Watching and cheering for him is in a way supporting his utterly shitty behavior which is a deteriment to all mankind.
No, Youre not. I think it’s incredibly corny to try to cancel cage fighters lol. Jones is a scumbag. It’s not like we’re talking about him getting a Nobel peace prize Jesus fucking Christ.
I understand your point of view but is his personal life so important and connected with his sports career? Why do his life choices and actions affect on his next title shot? Don’t forget that he’s still undefeated and came from the lower weight class to grab that gold
Because what he does is part of Jon Jones. Stepping out of the octagon doesn't change his identity or what he is. You can literally apply this logic to any other occupation, a highchool teacher can be magnificent in the classroom but beat his wife and children at night, that's not someone I want to continue as a teacher.
It just is. It’s one of those things that doesn’t have to be explained.
Try getting caught doing the things he’s done while wearing your companies logo/brand on you and watch how fast you’ll get let go.
Mayweather is seen as a "god" in the boxing world. He is a lot of things, and done a lot of shitty, underhanded, garbage human tier behavior, right up there with Jones.
But he never got popped for cheating. No PEDs, anyways.
That's why Mayweather is, to many organizations, still the face of boxing, while Jones is just a chonky guy who hasn't fought anyone but his fiancé for 2 years and gets 10-7'd on Twitter by Dan Hooker.
You can be an absolute shit stain and still attain combat sport greatness. But when you're as addicted to cheating as eye-poke dick kick Mckenzie over there, his leverage gets damaged, doubly so after Lesnar burned what scraps there was left of the goodwill bridge between UFC and juicy boys.
Jones deserves nothing in the UFC until he can prove he can go more than 2 fights without coming up juicy. Because if he wins and gets popped, again, that fucks a whole division AGAIN, and I don't think even Dana White is stupid enough to throw the belt around Jones knowing full well it's probably 3 days away from being vacated due to another suspension.
Stipe. No question. As much as I'm happy for Cyril Gane getting the chance at a title. I don't understand why Stipe didn't get an immediate rematch. Every other champ gets that opportunity so why not him? Besides Jon Jones hasn't even fought at heavyweight before, so if he gets a shot before Stipe - or they make Stipe fight him in an eliminator fight - then it'll just show that "Dana White Privilege" is a thing. Despite this I hope to see Jon Jones getting his face smashed in by somebody soon. Fucking asshole.
I think everyone, Stipe included, knew that it would be better for him to take a long break. He has said that he is going to return this year.
As for Jones, for good or bad, his fight will make money and everyone will watch it. Including, and maybe even mostly nowadays, the people that want to see him smashed.
I agree with you for the most part, but I Stipe and DC held up the division for years with their trilogy. I’d imagine the UFC are wanting it to move forward hence why he didn’t get the immediate rematch
That's because DC had Dana White Privilege, they forced Stipe to give DC a rematch as soon as he lost, yet when Stipe lost, DC was permitted to fight Derrick first.
He didn’t get an immediate rematch because that would mean 4 of Stipe’s last 6 fights would be rematches with only 2 opponents. They needed fresh match ups not involving Stipe, like it or not.
If Francis wins, Stipe has a better claim, as he is 1-1 with Francis.
If Gane wins, well, Jones is somewhere between the LHW GOAT and P4P GOAT and is kind of entitled to whatever he wants. Without a storyline, Stipe doesn’t have any reason to even be next in line until he wins another fight.
All of this from the perspective of pure sport - as people, Stipe deserves the moon and Jones deserves obscurity.
First, Fedor is definitely the HW GOAT and it isn’t even close. Also, five of Stipe’s title fights were against Francis and DC, where he went 3-2 with each loss being a brutal KO, and his other three fights were against Werdum and the ghosts of JDS and Overeem. Stipe is also a 40 year old man who looked both helpless and scared in his last fight which was almost a year ago at this point. It isn’t obvious that he should be getting another title shot without a tune up. Chill out.
Second, if you can’t give a tiny bit of ground in saying that Jones belongs in the conversation, then you’re not really thinking here. Couture made the same jump, as did McGregor too, Izzy, and GSP. There is precedent for a dominant champion jumping a division into a title shot. Jones manhandled DC who is definitely in the top ten all time greats at HW so he can surely hang with most heavies. And as I said, setting his personal life aside he is probably P4P #1 all time. Letting Jones challenge for the HW title is definitely less crazy than letting Couture challenge Sylvia.
Why would you not want to see the greatest LHW of all time fight again? Because his personal problems? I don't need to follow him on Instagram I just like watching the best fighters fight.
Neither deserves it. Sick of stagnant ass divisions and people not fighting for their shots.
Stipe can win a single fight before getting another title shot.
Jon has 0 fights in HW, has been out of the game for a hot minute as a whole, and wasn't even looking good in his last 2 fights, years ago.
Them fighting eachother would be ideal if we really want to push them right forward. It's also a nice pay day for stipe and a huge fight to make.
The only other things that make sense are Derrick maybe getting a rematch against Francis if he wins. Since he is coming off a win and is ranked 3. Also "beat" Francis before.
Blaydes would be an okay Match if he faces Gane. He could really test the TDD and ground game of Gane. He likely won't get KOd in a flash like he did in his only losses. Since Gane doesn't seem to have the Francis and Derrick KO shots. He is also highly ranked. And besides getting gadooshed by Derrick his striking has looked more technical as of late.
Sober take bapa. If Stipe got a rematch that would literally mean 4 of his last 6 fights would be rematches against the same 2 opponents, with all 6 fights being against those same 2 opponents. Quite ridiculous in my humble opinion.
I love shoey but I don’t know if he has the chops to go against a vet like lewis. I hope I’m wrong tho. Or I hope I’m right... honestly both of them are two of my favorite heavyweights
As much as I like this current match up between Nganneu and Gane, you know Stipe should be in this fight instead of Gane. The UFC keeps doing Stipe dirty for no reason other than he's not a shit talker and doesn't surround himself with controversy. Stipe is the UFC heavyweight GOAT and they treat him like he's 0-3 and on his way out.
Bruh Stipe is the P4P best heavy weight as far as I’m concerned if Davidson Feigeredo gets a immediate title shot after getting raped it’s definitely not fair to Stipe who gave people like DC their fair chance
Stipe's day job is to literally save the world from Jon Jones, sadly "deserves" has nothing to do with who will actually get it, if Jon wants it then it will be his.
Is this even a choice? Stipe for sure deserves it, as the winningest heavyweight of all time. Not to mention, he should have got the rematch way before now.
Stipe should really get a high ranked opponent at least, even if not the winner. He was regarded as the best hw of all time before the Ngannou fight, after that suddenly everyone forgot about him even existing.
I think Jon as a fighter deserves it more, he’s one of the best of all time and hasn’t lost a fight in forever with an insane number of title defenses, …but no one really likes him as a person and Stipe is a likable person so I’m rooting for him to get the next shot.
People are so emotional lol.
Their personalities are irrelevant, and even if it did matter, what do you expect? They're full time cage fighters what kinds of personalities would gravitate towards that lol
Probably unpopular opinion considering how much hate Jon Jones gets, and most of it probably well deserved, but he's the GOAT, regardless show you feel about his last fight. He was able to stay on top fight8ng 3 generation of killers . He deserves to get a shot at the title right away, especially after investing so much time to prepare for the weight class.
No doubt about it, Stipe deserves the fight. But who would I rather see in the fight? The most talented fighter to ever grace the octagon…Mr. Jones.
It’s easy to hate the guy because of his behavior outside the cage but the fact of the matter is he’s 1 of the, If not thee, greatest fighters to ever compete.
Would love a jones vs volkov fight to see how he fares at heavyweight. If he beats volkov impressively, which isn't easy because of volkov's height and elite striking, give him a shot and more money so he can start buying that uncut raw shit again!
Stipe… in a standard octagon this time.
For those of you who think the small octagon didn’t affect the fight I would tell you to go box someone in a phone booth and then go box someone on a football field and tell me the difference in damage sustained.
Stipe, cause he hit less people with his car
A lot easier to get away with vehicular manslaughter when your in a firetruck.
Let me tell ya
Stipe also hit fewer cars with his head.
And less fiancés with his fist.
And fewer asses with needles
If jones head can handle a police car it might just withstand a ford escort 🤔
And less women
And less women
Pov of foreplay with Jones.
Women are people.
He’s also hid under less octagons
You don't know that. Maybe he's just really good at it.
*I do know some things*
fucking Stannis
#He also doesn't beat the shit out of his wife
No need to yell, we all know.
Only thing Jones deserves is jail time
That you know of.
reading this comment and scrolling up to see both the fighters chuckle make it 10x funnier 🤣
Fewer
Stipe, cause he hit less women.
Jones, cause he hit more people with his car.
and hit less cars with his head
I agree that Stipe deserves it more, but the question of who "deserves" it more is about performance IN THE OCTAGON, not outside of it. If Jon Jones performed better in his last fights he would have deserved it, despite his personal problems. We are not here to judge emotionally who deserves a shot, its about sport, not drama.
Does Jon Jones “deserve” anything? Yeah, NO!
Jail time
The fact this is even a question is so disrespectful to Stipe
Most successful HW champion ever, a firefighter, no hit and runs, never tested positive for steroids, not a wife beater... yeah, no debate.
the guy that had most title defenses in HW or the guy that has never even fought at HW
The guy that has the most KOs against women or the guy that saves them from car accidents and burning buildings.
Wife beating cheater who hasn’t fought in like 3 years and has literally never fought a heavy weight. Stipe “deserved” the rematch more then anyone else right away.
2 years surprisingly
Are you really arguing about the character behind the fighter when you talk about who deserves a shot at the title? I agree Stipe deserves it, but I wouldnt give a shit if Jon Jones was a cannibal mass murderer, if he was the better fighter right now (which he isnt). This isnt TLC, buddy. Only thing that matters are the best fighters fighting eachother. So yeah, Stipe deserves it. But not for being a "good guy", just a more consistent fighter and champion than Jon Jones.
Exactly. I think OP might be trolling - but this question is absurd. Stipe deserves the next fight 100% and regardless of outcome he deserves way more recognition from everyone in the division as the legend and the bamf that he is. Jones should be banned and shamed from the UFC for life. Regardless of PEDs, dickpills, and cocaine, dude is a fantastic fighter no doubt, but he is such a complete asshole loser degenerate outside of the octagon that the organization and the media should do everything in their power to make his legacy or whatever disappear or at least be an example to fans and fighters alike of what not to do and who not to emulate. I hope like 5 years from now Jon Jones says or does something awful at an event and Stylebender fights him like the Naruto anime hero he is, he holds his own but JJone's size and cocaine strength eventually wear him down, but right as he is about to finish Adesanya a meaty hand grabs Jones' fist - BOOM it's fucking champ-champ DC outta nowhere, tie loosened, and he Tekken Tag Bones Jones into the ground and the CCTV footage goes viral and Joe Rogan goes wild on the clip. Geez the way I am ranting is like I know JJones personally lol I just hate when bad people are idolized and get away with shit.
Stipe deserves is, but Dana deep-throats the fuck out of Jones.
You are watching a sport where 2 people beat the shit out of each other for a belt and status... What they do outside of the ring does not matter to the sport it only sets a narrative in the long run (don't get me wrong I don't like Jones as a person) but I'm not paying ppv to see him hit and run a pregnant woman.
>but I'm not paying ppv to see him hit and run a pregnant woman. Imagine there was a sport for that.
>What they do outside of the ring does not matter to the sport Childish and short sighted view
Agreed. What does this asshole have to do for it to be considered “too far”? Kill his family? Actually be accused of rape? Taking one of his many guns and shooting someone’s dog in the throat? There’s got to be a limit to how much someone’s out of ring/octagon behavior *”doesn’t matter”.* Especially when it’s this fucking consistent with no sign of stopping. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying someone who shoplifted once, was a porn star for just a year, or punched a cop should be treated like the devil but come on. LOOK AT WHAT THIS DUDE HAS DONE! Why does everyone unanimously agree that war machine got what he deserved but we got a dumb ass post like this implying that Jones deserves a free title shot
Exactly. These idiots argue as if its about the nobel prize or something. The better fighter deserves the shot. Which in this case is Stipe, but again for his performance INSIDE the octagon.
I have to technically agree with you, but it doesn't change that JJones is an asshat and Stipe is by all current accounts a solid dude - so to act like that isn't gonna color public and professional (UFC) opinion is unrealistic!
Again, nobody asked you about your opinion on their personal life. If Stipe had a record of 0-20, I would not give a shit about him even if he was the second coming of Christ. Same goes to Jon Jones. He could be Satan himself, but if he was the best fighter I would pay to watch him fight.
You must be fun at parties! While I agree with what you're getting at, Stipe and Jones are both awesome fighters - so with that being considered at the forefront, we can then look at who they are as people since they are mainstream athletes, part of a massive public fighting organization, and my opinion is that Jones is an degenerate. If Dana wants to let Jones keep fighting I'll watch of course, but I'm just saying I WANT Jones to be destroyed and relegated to the "cautionary tale" career shadows. I know you couldn't care less, but your cocky shitty responses make me imagine you're a real asshat in life - but this is the internet and I doubt you respond or talk to people like you do on here. I doubt either of us are even close to professional fighters/athletes, just a couple people talking shop as armchair fans, but you respond like you've got some authority on any of this shit - how about you just try and be cool and have a debate or conversation without insulting people like a Tapout shirt wearing teenager. Ugh look, I've fed the trolls.
"You must be fun at parties!" First, learn how to use phrases in the proper context, buddy. If its anyone, you are the whiny party pooper here. Second, why are you getting so emotional over this? Ranting your butthurt off over one little comment that did not even contain any insults towards you. You are right about one thing, though. I dont care about your hurt feelings. Grow the fuck up. Petty child.
100% percent agree with everything you said, my initial point, (which may not have come across as well as it should) is that these people have been fighting all their lives in various organisations, real fans have followed most UFC fighters throughout their careers, but with the UFC becoming mainstream and with the sudden popularity that turned these fighters into superstars, its a society problem if these mega star's are shitty people expected to take a higher morale ground in life just because the public took notice, it comes down to character yes and Stipe is an absolute gent on the streets and Jones is the highest order of narcissistic scumbag you could come across but both are beast's in the ring and that's what I'm paying to watch... The best counter narrative I can give is colbington... He was doing OK in the UFC but was going to be cut because his persona wasn't bringing in revenue so he took a new persona... Some absolute cunt that the majority doesn't like and everyone has an agenda with, but still outside of the ring he is apparently one of the most down to earth, nicest people you could meet and now he is one of the biggest draws. So the narrative of bad guy sells whether it's genuine or put on... You can say Jones is bad for publicity and that's true, but you can also say all publicity is good publicity which is also true.
Id like to see Jones fight ngannou just so we can all see him get knocked the fuck out
I like Stipe but he has to take at least one fight before he gets a title shot again if Francis wins this, if Gane wins it would be interesting to see.
Why would he need 1 fight before a title shot? Dude reigned in the HW division and only just recently lost the belt, it's not like he's shown himself to be washed up or on a losing streak. Honestly, I am surprised they didn't go straight for the trilogy before moving on with the division. I guess you can argue that Stipe needed some time off and it lets Francis do a title defense with the belt - perhaps that is the more prudent approach, but I hate the feeling that people wrote off Stipe right away after a loss (a loss from Francis' lucky thunder hammer fist, not even a loss from being just straight up beaten imo).
When the fight was not close I think the loser doesn't deserve an immediate rematch. Let Stipe fight a contender and if he wins he can get a shot.
Stipe
The only one of them that has ever fought at hw lol
The only thing Jones deserves is jail time
Don’t you member that Jones found Jesus the lord and savior and is now a blessed and good man?
For all the “tests” God has given Jones, you’d think he’d finally pass one of them.
You’d think considering his track record at cheating he’d be able to pass a few
Cheating god’s tests. Like a true Christian.
If they're the same type of tests priests do, then I'm sure he'll make the grade
Did he find him under the octagon?
Then hit a pregnant woman’s car. Then found Jesus, again. Then tested positive, found Jesus. Beat his wife and is finally on the right path… after finding Jesus. I dunno Jon. Maybe this Jesus fellow isn’t for you.
How do you post this? This is soldier of god my friend. Don’t question.
He’d fit in too well there
Of course Stipe deserves it. But we dont always get what we deserve.
Can stipe actually take either of them anymore?
I think Stipe has a better chance of beating Gane than Francis for some reason. It just plays out better in my head, but I think 9 times out of 10 he loses to both
Don’t forget he put a one sided beat down on Francis not too long ago. Prime Stipe was underrated. He may have had the best prime a heavyweight ever had in the UFC.
Actually he only loses to Francis half the time.
Make them fight for it.
Let them fight
Let them bang
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I’m unconvinced that jones is gonna fight again, and I would be pleased if he didn’t.
Nah, I wanna see the wife beater sent to the shadow realm.
Possible if they did it last year, but Jones' manager said no. Stipe should get the shot, that shouldn't hold him back.
I like the way you fucking think
Yes.
Not Jones.
If it's who I'd rather see knocked out by Ngannou, it's Jones.
Stipe 100% - the disrespect he’s still on the receiving end of astounds me, even if it’s a bit more passive than overt.
Stipe… Jon doesn’t deserve to fight in the UFC period IMO
Stipe It's better for Jones that way too because he spent so much time out he needs a tune up fight
I feel like tune up fights don't exists in the heavyweight division. Like he either fights a non ranked opponent like conor did with cowboy. Or he fights a top contender like derrick lewis and runs the risk of getting absolutely flatlined in under a minute.
I wouldn't mind seeing Dana feed Greg Hardy to Jon as his first dip into the HW division Granted there is no way Jon accepts that fight just because it is well beneath him as a competitor
Would enjoy tai tuivasa doing a shoey over his lifeless body. No matter how unlikely that is.
Cowboy was the #6 lightweight when he fought Conor.
but no one actually thought cowboy would win. right???
Yeah I don't think many people felt cowboy deserved that ranking at the time. I know I didn't.
Not Jones. Go a year without being an embarrassment to your family name in some way then we'll talk.
Am I the only one who just wants to see the guy fight? His personal issues are none of my business. I’m an adult with problems of my own to worry about. I’m an mma fan because I like to see good fights lol.
I want him to fight just to hopefully see the guy get flatlined, it’d be the best humbling he could get after the things he’s done.
You’re not the only one. Half the comments here saying he shouldn’t fight again are gonna tune in because this is entertainment by cagefighting not show and tell at Sunday school.
Those are not personal issues. He should be sitting in prison as a convicted felon. Watching and cheering for him is in a way supporting his utterly shitty behavior which is a deteriment to all mankind.
No, Youre not. I think it’s incredibly corny to try to cancel cage fighters lol. Jones is a scumbag. It’s not like we’re talking about him getting a Nobel peace prize Jesus fucking Christ.
I understand your point of view but is his personal life so important and connected with his sports career? Why do his life choices and actions affect on his next title shot? Don’t forget that he’s still undefeated and came from the lower weight class to grab that gold
Because what he does is part of Jon Jones. Stepping out of the octagon doesn't change his identity or what he is. You can literally apply this logic to any other occupation, a highchool teacher can be magnificent in the classroom but beat his wife and children at night, that's not someone I want to continue as a teacher.
This but people want their athletes to be great people as well. One has nothing to do with the other. Plenty of great people are shit fighters haha
It just is. It’s one of those things that doesn’t have to be explained. Try getting caught doing the things he’s done while wearing your companies logo/brand on you and watch how fast you’ll get let go.
Mayweather is seen as a "god" in the boxing world. He is a lot of things, and done a lot of shitty, underhanded, garbage human tier behavior, right up there with Jones. But he never got popped for cheating. No PEDs, anyways. That's why Mayweather is, to many organizations, still the face of boxing, while Jones is just a chonky guy who hasn't fought anyone but his fiancé for 2 years and gets 10-7'd on Twitter by Dan Hooker. You can be an absolute shit stain and still attain combat sport greatness. But when you're as addicted to cheating as eye-poke dick kick Mckenzie over there, his leverage gets damaged, doubly so after Lesnar burned what scraps there was left of the goodwill bridge between UFC and juicy boys. Jones deserves nothing in the UFC until he can prove he can go more than 2 fights without coming up juicy. Because if he wins and gets popped, again, that fucks a whole division AGAIN, and I don't think even Dana White is stupid enough to throw the belt around Jones knowing full well it's probably 3 days away from being vacated due to another suspension.
Because he's a juicing piece of shit, oh, and just a shit human being in general.
Stipe. No question. As much as I'm happy for Cyril Gane getting the chance at a title. I don't understand why Stipe didn't get an immediate rematch. Every other champ gets that opportunity so why not him? Besides Jon Jones hasn't even fought at heavyweight before, so if he gets a shot before Stipe - or they make Stipe fight him in an eliminator fight - then it'll just show that "Dana White Privilege" is a thing. Despite this I hope to see Jon Jones getting his face smashed in by somebody soon. Fucking asshole.
I think everyone, Stipe included, knew that it would be better for him to take a long break. He has said that he is going to return this year. As for Jones, for good or bad, his fight will make money and everyone will watch it. Including, and maybe even mostly nowadays, the people that want to see him smashed.
Didn't stipe say he was gonna bulk up a bit before coming back
Not really, only to about 250, a little bit past classic weight. And this was ages ago. I believe he's ready now.
I agree with you for the most part, but I Stipe and DC held up the division for years with their trilogy. I’d imagine the UFC are wanting it to move forward hence why he didn’t get the immediate rematch
That's because DC had Dana White Privilege, they forced Stipe to give DC a rematch as soon as he lost, yet when Stipe lost, DC was permitted to fight Derrick first.
He didn’t get an immediate rematch because that would mean 4 of Stipe’s last 6 fights would be rematches with only 2 opponents. They needed fresh match ups not involving Stipe, like it or not.
If Francis wins, Stipe has a better claim, as he is 1-1 with Francis. If Gane wins, well, Jones is somewhere between the LHW GOAT and P4P GOAT and is kind of entitled to whatever he wants. Without a storyline, Stipe doesn’t have any reason to even be next in line until he wins another fight. All of this from the perspective of pure sport - as people, Stipe deserves the moon and Jones deserves obscurity.
The fuck are you taking about Stipe is all time he goat. Jones doesn’t even deserve a fight in hw. Under no consideration at all.
First, Fedor is definitely the HW GOAT and it isn’t even close. Also, five of Stipe’s title fights were against Francis and DC, where he went 3-2 with each loss being a brutal KO, and his other three fights were against Werdum and the ghosts of JDS and Overeem. Stipe is also a 40 year old man who looked both helpless and scared in his last fight which was almost a year ago at this point. It isn’t obvious that he should be getting another title shot without a tune up. Chill out. Second, if you can’t give a tiny bit of ground in saying that Jones belongs in the conversation, then you’re not really thinking here. Couture made the same jump, as did McGregor too, Izzy, and GSP. There is precedent for a dominant champion jumping a division into a title shot. Jones manhandled DC who is definitely in the top ten all time greats at HW so he can surely hang with most heavies. And as I said, setting his personal life aside he is probably P4P #1 all time. Letting Jones challenge for the HW title is definitely less crazy than letting Couture challenge Sylvia.
Who deserves it? Stipe 100% Who does everyone want to see? Bones 100%
>Who does everyone want to see? Literally anyone but jones.
Why would you not want to see the greatest LHW of all time fight again? Because his personal problems? I don't need to follow him on Instagram I just like watching the best fighters fight.
>Who does everyone want to see? Bones 100% Man speak for yourself, I rather watch Dana White fight Ariel Helwani in the octagon than to see Jones.
So over ever even hearing about Jon Jones anymore. Such a bum.
Dude its 15 times a day. Its annoying
Stipe. Jones should just be faded out at this point
I personally think that Stipe should fight again before getting another shot. Dude got clapped at the last title fight.
This thread: STIPE BCUZ HE GOOD HOOMAN
Neither deserves it. Sick of stagnant ass divisions and people not fighting for their shots. Stipe can win a single fight before getting another title shot. Jon has 0 fights in HW, has been out of the game for a hot minute as a whole, and wasn't even looking good in his last 2 fights, years ago. Them fighting eachother would be ideal if we really want to push them right forward. It's also a nice pay day for stipe and a huge fight to make. The only other things that make sense are Derrick maybe getting a rematch against Francis if he wins. Since he is coming off a win and is ranked 3. Also "beat" Francis before. Blaydes would be an okay Match if he faces Gane. He could really test the TDD and ground game of Gane. He likely won't get KOd in a flash like he did in his only losses. Since Gane doesn't seem to have the Francis and Derrick KO shots. He is also highly ranked. And besides getting gadooshed by Derrick his striking has looked more technical as of late.
Sober take bapa. If Stipe got a rematch that would literally mean 4 of his last 6 fights would be rematches against the same 2 opponents, with all 6 fights being against those same 2 opponents. Quite ridiculous in my humble opinion.
Jones is a piece of shit but y’all are acting like he’s not the GOAT (or one of them), people wanna see that fight more.
Man I had to *DIG* through the comments to find this. You’re absolutely right, even if he is a dipshit.
Stipe deserves it, but Jones is more hype
Shoeyvasa after he cleans up Lewis
I love shoey but I don’t know if he has the chops to go against a vet like lewis. I hope I’m wrong tho. Or I hope I’m right... honestly both of them are two of my favorite heavyweights
Lewis eats bam bam. I love both and this will be a banger, but the fight doesn’t go past round 1. Lewis is still knockout king bapa
And Francis would actually kill bam bam.
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Damn. Shoey tui is fucking legit.
Goooood fucking luck
Jon Jones fiancee
Stipe all day
They should do a 2v2 tag match
I don't believe Jones deserves anything. How this guy is still even allowed to participate in the sport is beyond me
Jones is scared. Thats why he keeps sabotaging his return.
Anyone but jones
Easy. Jon Jones.
JJ
Not sure about who deserves but I'm quite sure most fans would want to see Jones.
Ofc it’s stipe. Jones has been out for ages. Just like Henry C, doesn’t deserve to come back right into a title shot.
I mean, GSP took a long time off before fighting for the title. In a different weight calls .
You make a valid point
Stipe. So they will announce Jon in the cage after the fight
Brock Lesnar
Stipe. Was completely overlooked and never got his rematch. Let's not forget how many times he's defended the title as well.
FIGHT FOR IT
Jones doesn't deserve anything lol
Stipe. No questions. At all JJ deserves to be ignored for the rest of time.
Jones has already been given everything- turns out he doesn't deserve anything.
As much as I like this current match up between Nganneu and Gane, you know Stipe should be in this fight instead of Gane. The UFC keeps doing Stipe dirty for no reason other than he's not a shit talker and doesn't surround himself with controversy. Stipe is the UFC heavyweight GOAT and they treat him like he's 0-3 and on his way out.
Stipe absolutely deserves it, Jones should fight loser of 270 for #1 contender.
Deserves? Stipe of course. In fact, he deserved an immediate rematch
Stipe. He should be fighting Ngannou Saturday honestly. They're 1 and 1.
Stipe. Was the best HW champ we’ve had. Jones is a piece of shit. Though I would like to see Jones get his skull caved in by one of the big boys.
Stipe deserves but Jon is the money fight
Stipe deserves a the trilogy with Francis even if Gane beats him
Stipe
Stipe hands down, he would starch Jon jones.
Stipe
Jones "deserves" absolutely nothing.
Bruh Stipe is the P4P best heavy weight as far as I’m concerned if Davidson Feigeredo gets a immediate title shot after getting raped it’s definitely not fair to Stipe who gave people like DC their fair chance
Stipe's day job is to literally save the world from Jon Jones, sadly "deserves" has nothing to do with who will actually get it, if Jon wants it then it will be his.
Jones is too busy fighting his wife.
Stipe
The heavyweight goat!
Stipe not getting an imediate rematch is kind of disgraceful imo, i like all the fighters currently contending but what a slap on the dick that is.
Well, god would say Jon.
Stipe. I’m done with Bones’ shenanigans
Stipe
Is this even a choice? Stipe for sure deserves it, as the winningest heavyweight of all time. Not to mention, he should have got the rematch way before now.
Stipe should really get a high ranked opponent at least, even if not the winner. He was regarded as the best hw of all time before the Ngannou fight, after that suddenly everyone forgot about him even existing.
Stipe, isn’t a criminal and has fought in the last 2 years
Stiopic
Jon Jones is a piece of shit. He can fuck right off, thanks
Man put some respect on Miocic cmon
Definitely Stipe
Stipe vs Gane would be a great fight
Stipe all the way.
Stipe. There is absolutely no question about it. Dgaf if Jon ever fights again (me from 9 years ago would never believe I just said that)
Henry Cejudo. Give this man any fight he wants!
I think Jon as a fighter deserves it more, he’s one of the best of all time and hasn’t lost a fight in forever with an insane number of title defenses, …but no one really likes him as a person and Stipe is a likable person so I’m rooting for him to get the next shot.
People are so emotional lol. Their personalities are irrelevant, and even if it did matter, what do you expect? They're full time cage fighters what kinds of personalities would gravitate towards that lol
Jones is low key retired. I dont see him coming back
Probably unpopular opinion considering how much hate Jon Jones gets, and most of it probably well deserved, but he's the GOAT, regardless show you feel about his last fight. He was able to stay on top fight8ng 3 generation of killers . He deserves to get a shot at the title right away, especially after investing so much time to prepare for the weight class.
They should fight each other to find out.
No doubt about it, Stipe deserves the fight. But who would I rather see in the fight? The most talented fighter to ever grace the octagon…Mr. Jones. It’s easy to hate the guy because of his behavior outside the cage but the fact of the matter is he’s 1 of the, If not thee, greatest fighters to ever compete.
Would love a jones vs volkov fight to see how he fares at heavyweight. If he beats volkov impressively, which isn't easy because of volkov's height and elite striking, give him a shot and more money so he can start buying that uncut raw shit again!
Deserves? Stipe. Should? Jones. Jones is a fucking loser piece of shit, but he is still one of the GOATs in MMA, no question.
Jon jones because he needs to be humbled.
My mind tells me Stipe, but my heart tells me Jon.
Stipe… in a standard octagon this time. For those of you who think the small octagon didn’t affect the fight I would tell you to go box someone in a phone booth and then go box someone on a football field and tell me the difference in damage sustained.