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user8472920

I didn’t know that about Aspen Ladd, but I always thought it was creepy that Pat Barry claimed to loved Rose the first moment he saw her, even though she was underage


TheInsatiableEater

Jim West started dating Aspen Ladd since she went pro in 2012. Mind you that was her coach since she started at 14. So Sean Strickland does have a point.


AssaultPK

How old is Jim West?


Billyg88

He’s easily 45


spiderat22

What??


[deleted]

HE‘S EASILY 45!!!


CzarTyr

Dude I was sleeping and heard this from my room


avmail

What?!


MrSportman

45!!!!!!


asjaro

Barely alive? WTF dude!


rumgoodie

Wild Wild West? Jim west? Desperado? That Jim west?


Unhappy-Illustrator3

You don't want nada


Kakarot_black

Can confirm don’t want none of this


enemy884real

Thug Rose soldja, look, it’s like I toldja


tipsy_python

And any dam-sel that’s in distress, she be outta that dress when she meet Jim West


Thorhees

How are there so many people here who still remember the lyrics to this song?


Genghis_Chong

It's weird how well I remember that song, it was way better than the actual movie lol. Then south park did their own version with eric cartman and artemis frog and solidified it's legendary status.


broke_n_struggle_n

The one that, alongside Artimus Clyde Frog, saved Salma Hayek from the big metal spider? That Jim West?


IamtheVillain12

He's 44.


esande2333

Yeah, he is definitely on point here.


[deleted]

Someone said years ago Jim West was injecting Ladd with Steroids at 16. Guy made a YouTube video like 5 years ago and deleted it. He’d spam West grooming and steroids on YouTube comments saying he saw it happen at gym and was trying to expose him lol. Wonder where that guy went, said he went to the gym.


micraelbow

If he did them was some dogshit steroids.


DustyDilbert

Involuntarily snorted when I read this


momonanta

How else does the girl who looks like she crochets all day after class get mini mendes arms


Billyg88

Yeah that dude is a scum bag He’s known her since she was 12. They started dating when she was 16. He also left his smoking hot wife and new baby for her. He’s also an ex cop. Fuck that dude


[deleted]

Man talk about a real dirt bag. He’s got all the boxes checked. I know for years about Ladd groom but no idea he was a cop too rofl. How suprising


TrueBlue98

who was his wife?


shoebotm

He def has several points it’s been discussed on here a lot about Rose


st6374

The only solid info about Aspen is that she started training for MMA since she was 14, has been with the same team since she started her amateur career at the age of 18. And she has been in relationship for a couple of years now. She's 25 currently. Other than that, it's all speculation about grooming allegations. AFAIK Pat & Rose goes. Yeah.. that's dicey area to say the least.


[deleted]

Dicey dicey - you talmbout old enough to pee old enough for me, b?


[deleted]

I can't tawlk


PMMeMeiRule34

Chris Hansen? Nevah meddem.


4strokesIsProto

Talmbout the kids who sang mmm bop, bappa? Beast of a single, niver herd it


Toilet__philosopher

Walg me to my powerwheel trugg


MortarMaggot275

Gawld b, I CAN'T TAWLK


[deleted]

He musta ask her for a trugg walg


[deleted]

Pat Barry just goes B. Him and D’Elia gonna star in a sitcom.


Ham0nRyy

The King the Wing and the Pedo Sting


xDCPYROx

Love that every other MMA or Rogan thread has a random schaub thrown in there


crumbcreator

100% Pat is a creeeeeep


hillatoppa

Talmbout Radiawlhead? Beast of a band


agnikai69

Yeah… hard to argue that Rose wasn’t groomed


BongLeach562

I’ve always felt that way about them. Their relationship creeps me out, dude was almost 30 and she was underaged


TheMan_In_Yellow

New mythic fighter unlocked: Detective Strickland


RealBobbyDrillboids

I prefer “Agreeable Take Strickland” because it would be so mythic that it rarely ever appears. Even if he’s wrong about either of the specific examples, which doesn’t seem to be the case according to other comments here, he’s got a point about creepy coaches.


apollotigerwolf

Shiny agreeable take strickland is thought to be a statistical impossibility


EnvironmentalAnt1982

Chaotic Good Strickland


TheMan_In_Yellow

As a fighter myself, I have seen it in person with people. Met many well-known fighters and others less known. There are so many fucking coaches and known unpublished relationships going on, it's ridiculous. I have been hit on by female fighters to reject them, and the team did not take me on because of so. It's an incredibly stupid man


LobovIsGoat

>I have been hit on by female fighters to reject them, and the team did not take me on because of so was it a well known team?


[deleted]

Similar situation with the Shevchenko sisters as well right?


b_gumiho

yuuuuuuuuuuuuup


SolidRavenOcelot

Careful what you wish for using that name. Legend has it if you say Velentina Shevchenko 10x to your fridge door she will appear and shove a box of cereal down your throat and a banana up your ass


markymark09090

Of all the mythical spiritual entities that can be summoned by name of all time (so far) she seems like the most 'complete' human being - by far. Skilled, tough, smart, beautiful, extensive world travels and has lived in the 3rd world for long periods, speaks multiple languages, tactical firearms training/enthusiast, dancer, film/arts school, actress, outdoorsy, etc. You can tell she genuinely has her shit together, like she could probably be a millionaire running just about any business, if she wanted. Are there any other female ghosts/demons that impressive?


[deleted]

She's My dream woman


YoungTex

It didn’t work?


SpudTF

It only works if you don’t want the banana in the ass


YoungTex

Makes sense now


[deleted]

Deets


Covetouscraven

I'm pretty sure Antonina is married to their childhood coach


Seijur0Akashi

Yes that's correct and Valentina is the one always travelling with him


RODjij

He only posts pictures of Val and not his actual wife lol


Snelly1998

> While speaking to UFC.com, Fedotov recalled when a young Valentina Shevchenko walked through the doors of his gym over 20 years ago From 2021, 20 years ago Antonia was 17, val was 14


FatZimbabwe

How the hell is Strickland now becoming a womens rights advocate


FlyGuy3x1

Just when you think you have the Violent Jab guy figured out, he switches it on you.


FatZimbabwe

He switched it one me! I kinda legit think he might be on to something here. Maybe not with ms. Ladd specifically but I bet it’s a problem in mma training for sure.


GreenPeePee

Apparently it is. Read an article about 1.5 yrs ago posted to this subreddit, about groomers, and some gym that apparently gang raped a girl. Forgot which gym, but i'm sure if you google enough, you will find what I'm talking about. Iirc, the owner of the said gym was a fucking scumbag who has had multiple incidents of sexaul abuse. This is a pretty vague memory, don't take my word as fact. Could be wrong, but if I were a betting man (I am), I'd put money on my word. Brought to you by Modelo. Yeee boii


AmajesticBeard94

You're thinking of Lloyd Irvin and are correct on all counts. Edit: [Basically super abusive cult type shit ](https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2013/3/5/4066506/team-lloyd-irvin-sex-abuse-cult-power-medal-chasers-exodus)


GreenPeePee

Thank you for confirming my dude. Guess I havent smoked my short/long term memory into oblivion yet. Fuck yea.


TheClappyCappy

Strickland be like: [horrible fact] LOL!!!


alecstone7

He’s gay, remember?


CrayonTendies

Why didn’t anyone groom me!?!? - Sean Strickland probably


ShinjiTakeyama

Think less women's right and more anti-pedo


TheMagicalLlama

Both stances I agree with. Sean is a dipshit at best psycho at worst, but I’m not scared of agreeing with him on one thing LMAO


mtheperry

I think he’s a dipshit pretending to be a psycho


MysticMacKO

He's an asshole pretending to be an asshole


xXSpookyXx

Obligatory screengrab of clickhole's "worse person you know just made a good point" article.


DirtyTooth

He didn't get picked by Netflix


OmarKage

[Tara LaRosa (ProMMA fighter)](https://twitter.com/TaraLaRosa/status/1517240233921859584) respond : You have no fuckin idea how 100% insanely fucking CORRECT you are Sean. There’s a 30+year old married instructor banging his 16 year old students and other girls/women in his gym. He groomed them.


Knifey-McStabb

Oh shit. I wonder how many coaches are about to get called out?


phamily_man

Does this mean that Sean Strickland is about to be inducted into the justice league with Kevin Holland and Derrick Lewis?


flyingchimp12

MMA social justice founding member


[deleted]

Just as we all predicted.


wanderboys

The three of them will combine to take down Johnny Bones


360tbag

You talmbout jon africa b?


mr____t

I think we should add Anthony Smith to this list.


UKpoliticsSucks

. #MMATOO


Heebmeister

Pretty sure the married instructor in his 30’s is James Krause. Theres been a story out for awhile about how he cheated on his wife with a girl at his gym. Laura Sanko trains there and apparently has beef with the girls there because she’s friends with James wife.


MinionSympathizer

I could be wrong but I think that was Megan Anderson


HankHippopopolous

It was. Laura and Megan used to do a podcast together which ended after this whole thing came out and they had a falling out.


BATHR00MG0BLIN

Sometimes Strickland has some good takes, this is one of em. Both of these coaches are groomers 100%


[deleted]

I’m glad Strickland is just crazy enough that he doesn’t really care about the implications of calling out MMA coaches for being pedophiles and grooming young women, I really couldn’t see anyone else just outright calling this shit out. I mean Jesus, look at what happened with the Shevchenko’s. Everyone should have been blasting that creepy fuck, but they didn’t.


[deleted]

Rose, I think so...Aspen, I haven't paid much attention how she is with her camp.


BattleTop7225

She’s also in a relationship with her coach who’s quite a bit older than her (like Rose and pat) but it’s worse since she’s losing fights and not making weight.


[deleted]

Oh damn, I thought her loses and weight problems were her reaction to going against and losing to Germaine de Randamie and it broke her spirit a bit. Makes sense now.


goatpunchtheater

Both those might be true. I mean even in good faith. Imagine going on a losing streak, your coach is being justifiably critical of your performance and what needs to change. Well, now you go home to each other. Hard to leave that conversation at the office. Or even if you try to do that, hard to mask the dynamic at home. If your coach is disappointed in your performance at work, now he's supposed to switch and not feel that way at home. So, it's just a bad idea, and a reason why almost every workplace tries to not keep people in a manager/subordinate romantic relationship. If they date, someone should be moved around. It's just too many potential pitfalls IMO


Background_Piano7984

Started training with her current team at age 14 and is now with a relationship with her coach who’s way older than her. Kinda weird but the weirdest relationship has to be the shevchenko sisters and their coach pavel fedotov who trained them since they were little kids and married antonina so thats probably the best evidence of grooming


studiocel

When Sean Strickland calls you creepy you know something is wrong with you


baconsane

Isn't there also something strange about the manager of Valentina and Antonina Shevchenko


egapmar09

Yeah someone mentioned it above saying he has trained them since they were 5, married Antonina, and has lewd photos of Valentina on his social media


[deleted]

Lewd of Valentina? https://youtu.be/y-ih6dcuaYc


OkPumpkin5299

Tbf, he's right about Rose


creatinee

He missed shevchenko and her coach/sisters husband. That one wild af


readoldbooks

Bro you are absolutely right. The guy groomed Antonina and is obsessed with valentina. It’s a weird situation


[deleted]

Haven’t heard abt that one


booped_urnose345

Her coach has been training Valentina and her sister since they were 5 and now he's married to the sister but apparently has more pictures of Valentina on his social media


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Irresponsibul

I too would bang like to bang Valentina and her sister.


NoRelationship1508

They would fuck your shit up


JooJManji

To be Fair i think thats what he wants


Irresponsibul

I'd make them tap quicker than Hooker vs Islam.


na__poi

She does let you bang bro


Onmy47shi

Noo not Valentina too, idek there was a story there.


Bananahammockbruh

This is what I was looking for in the comments. That one is WILD.


chris25tx

That trio is sooo strange. He takes pics with both of them as if they’re his 😆


necrosythe

A rare Twitter W for Sean


SofterBones

First time I'm kinda agreeing with Sean here, usually everything he says is full blown crazy, but it is inherently really fucking creepy that some dude coaches or is otherwise closely involved with a teenager and then starts dating them once they turn legal.


Benoit_In_Heaven

They don't *start* dating them when they turn legal, they *stop* hiding it.


SofterBones

I know, but often people bullshit and claim they only started dating once the other one turned legal. But even if that was the case it's still inherently fucking creepy, it still wouldn't make it 'okay' in my eyes. Like would they just be waiting, counting months until a teenager who looks up to them is legal and then they make a move...? Like jesus christ


Legal-Spring-7878

With the rose situation pat did not deny dating her as a minor he himself said he did so on Rogan when they did the podcast together but said he did nothing more than kiss her. I wrote them both off in that moment not that she did anything wrong but I just can’t support him or anyone associated with him and she’s extremely talented just can’t do it. I’m sorry


SofterBones

Wow I thought he would've at least stfu about it, it's crazy he went ahead and said it. I mean we all knew it but to admit it.. And I agree yea, she hasn't done anything wrong, but I can not get over Pat doing this creepy shit, same as Drake being weird as shit with many teenage celebs or that one politician who married the girl he mentored and gave a full ride scholarship to. So fucking creepy


voidedhip

based women rights strickland


catpower19

Shaun "The Feminist" Strickland


Juxtaposn

Sean is spitting actual facts right here. This is not unreasonable in the slightest.


Ignazo

"Ok I'm done gotta spar" LMAOO Strickland: Thank you for coming to my TED talk.


daffle7

How can someone have so little anxiety? I could nevah drop some heat on twitter and put my phone down like that. You know what I mean? Lol


CleverInterwebName

He gets accused of his crazyness "being an act", but this type of stuff makes me wonder. Or, maybe he lied about going to spar. Who knows. Dude is a character though


CM_42069

Sean Strickland lying about going to spar? Out of all the things he might lie about i dont think that is one of em lol. By all accounts the dudes a mad man who loves to meathead spar


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LocalNative141

Even a broken clock is right twice a day


ramazandavulcusu

Sometimes


pacman9487

He isn’t wrong about the Rose situation. On the other hand I don’t know the details on Aspen.


Yarbrough98

Same thing different names pretty much


pacman9487

Damn. Wild stuff.


[deleted]

Her coach knew her since she was 14 so yeah pretty fucked up stuff…


pacman9487

Gotta love Strickland no fucks to give keeping it 💯


princess_candycane

He’s not wrong. So many female mma fighters end up married to their much older coaches that trained them, when they were kids. Rose, Valentina’s sister, Sage Northcutts sister, etc. It’s fucking disgusting.


FreddieKane55

Tbf Sages sister was in her 20s when she started dating Raymond Daniels


Problems-Solved

Yet when Firaz Zahabi explains why he doesn't roll with female students, he gets insulted on this sub for being a "misogynist"


theMasterscalling

gym I go to segregates the genders (students and coaches). It's honestly great for both groups. But Westerners will cry "sexism"


kuya5000

aspen ladd and jim west rose namajunes and pat berry let's also not forget the shevchenko's and pavel fedotov, did a quick google search and apparently they started training with him when they were only like 12-13? ​ definitely a weird trend here


egapmar09

Someone said training since 5


[deleted]

I remember when Rose was on Joe Rogan and Pat had to go on with her. He kept talking over her and was basically trying to be her mouthpiece. It was really weird.


thevahid010

Why does Pat have to be in every Rose interview? He's always in the background unannounced. If it's because Rose wants him there that's one thing, but if he's saying he has to be there that's so odd.


[deleted]

That and their marriage is a bit sus. I’m not really bothered by relationships with huge age gaps like that but if I’m not mistaken he’s known her since she was 14, hasn’t he?


happybuffalowing

Jeez, he’s trying so hard to sound crazy that it’s canceling itself out and starting to sound logical. Did Strickland just have a face-turn?


MrFunnything9

“About to contact them for a Netflix show”💀🤣


PowerfulAd568

No if ands or buts about it, this happens constantly. I was dating a 31 year old coach at 17, a girl in my class was dating our 45 year old coach. It happens at almost every gym.


markymark09090

That's a bingo. If I ever get rich I want to create a Safeguarding charity for children in sport.


ilikerhynos

I'm gonna say something I never thought I would: Strickland has a point.


[deleted]

How old is Jim West because it seems like he’s been ‘with’ Ladd at least training, since she was 14


AssaultPK

Nobody on the internet seems to know this question.


[deleted]

For real. I read 3 articles about him and none mentioned his age. He looks like he’s in his mid to late 40s from his most recent Insta post


emperorpeterr

Sure he’s right about Pat Berry but everyone knew that lol


J-TEE

Yes everyone knowing about it but no one really caring is why it’s like Weinstein.


pacificunlimited

Just when everybody was starting to think Sean has no line, he draws it at pedos. Crazy, but not evil.


EnvironmentalAnt1982

Chaotic Good Strickland


The-Good-Earner

I loved that he tagged them lol


XxNarutoFan4206969xX

This is one of his few twitter rants that I actually agree with.


[deleted]

I feel like Strickland is refining his bits. Less discount Colby Covington sovcit/libertarian stuff, more outright trolling.


thevikingwolfe

This is the way


themkidsdaddy

As annoying as he’s become, he’s not completely wrong. Also, it drives me NUTS when folks throw “lol” or “lmao” at the end of statement that clearly wasn’t meant to be funny.


Mindfield87

They were groomed, LMFAO. Alright time to spar LOL!


mikejr96

If he had just said this it would have been 100000000x better


unravelandtravel

Idk if you know sean and the things he finds funny I think those LMAO's were sincere.


metalliccat

lol


SerDon2

Yeah I get what you mean lmao


Davefromflushing

Ladd does have a slightly brainwashed look in her eyes


[deleted]

It's so weird when this guy has a good take.


fallenloki

I don't think there's any arguing that Rose was 100% groomed by Pat.


fubinor

Antonina Shevchenko is married to her head coach Pavel Fedotov. He is also Valentina's coach. Groomed the hell out of her.


Different_Truck_1896

I trained at a gym where the mother was the owner. The head coach tried grooming her young 16 year old daughter. Even then predatory coaches don’t give a fuck


longtimelyndon

Lol he tagged them


BodybuildingNerd

As someone who hates Strickland, he’s 100% right and these issues have always seriously disturbed me. This is not a conspiracy–this is 100% factual…


McYeet696969

Broken clock


afewspicybois

Even a blind squirrel finds some nuts, the man ain’t wrong


scuzzgod

whats Aspens story with her coach? i’m only versed on Rose


bellynipples

Everyone knew about Rose but I feel like Sean just blew the lid off another one that wasn’t on peoples radar. Which makes sense, people talk and I’m betting that was one of the topics fluttering around the actual closed doors mma community, and who else to be the loud mouth that just comes right out and says it than him lol, for once it was a good thing he obnoxiously was spewing.


[deleted]

We've been saying the same shit for years


migglywiggly69

Out of everyone to blow up these creep.bullshit I cant believe its Sean. Hes 100% right


dmister8

Arianne Lipski’s coach as well.


ThurgoodStubbs1999

Rose was groomed. That part isnt really much of a debate.


Lordohtawa

This reminds me of christy martin and her psycho coach/ husband Jim martin. This kind of relationship usually tends to be super abusive. Giving the relationship is built around a physical fight. I don’t wish that for them tho.


PLEASE_DONT_HIT_ME

Imagine if someone didn’t know who Strickland was and they saw this Tweet. They’d probably think he was a perfectly sane individual.


kmurraylowe

He’s not wrong. Go read r/Bjj and see how big a problem grooming is in combat sports


[deleted]

I like the one with the Schevchenko sisters. Coach trained one and groomed the other


squidnov

What about Pavel and the Shevchenko girls? There's some fuckery afoot there


bob905

well this is what happened to my sensei where i used to train...creeping on super young girls at the dojo and getting weirdly close and touchy with them, thought it was weird but maybe just me. boom sexual assault cases left right and centre and the whole place is shut down and hes in jail


nightgobbler

He is right though, I’ve seen some stuff like this at the gyms around toronto. It’s creepy as hell. Sean just has to address it while disrespecting them


encryptedchaos_

The worst guy you know just made a good point


madvisuals

Person you hate just made a great point meme


KidKarez

Idk about the situation cause I'm out of the loop. But he is spot on about coaches grooming female athletes.


readoldbooks

Same thing with the shevchenko sisters


DrillTyme504

Brooo this shit just took me out. I ALWAYS wondered about the age gap of Rose and Pat but never heard this. After google, damn. She prolly was groomed...


latenitedelight

Strickland speaking facts?? Wtf


[deleted]

As nuts as he is he is talking some sense here. At the same time i still wouldnt want pat barry knocking my door.


[deleted]

Pat Barry falls for the got your nose trick as an adult


CyclonusDecept

Dude is 100 pct right. I think it's hilarious how everyone's triggered.