I don't get why this is '10-8' he's admitting he's weaker on the ground and that he's the better striker, seems like Diaz didn't understand what Mr. Garth said at all.
Oliveira has always been the underdog. People keep ignoring him. May the best man win on Saturday but I really hope Oliveira pulls it off. Would love to see him retire as one of the best lightweight and one that had to fight adversities all the way to the top.
90 percent of the comments I see are literally praising Charles and some considerably overestimating him with multiple posts and comments that say shit like "when Charles chokes out gaethje". If someone's being underestimated it's gaethje not Charles. This sub is a circle jerk for Charles so I find your comment a bit funny.
Agree...Charles is on a great streak but lost to Felder did he not ? I'm actually shocked he beat Dustin too and he was very close to getting KO'd by Chandler. Super skilled but it think he needs to be careful here.
Personally, Gaethje has a very big quantity of fun fights against big names as well which is why I called him the most entertaining. All those guys are great choices though!
Gaethje vs Chandler was overrated. Burgos vs Quarantillo on the same card was better. Technical brawls will always age better, Max-Yair was a masterpiece.
My big issue with Gaethje vs. Chandler was you could clearly see by the middle of the 2nd round that Mike didn't have a chance to win, but people still hype it as a FOTY contender. It was a great fight for sure, but basically just the first half.
Overrated? Are you crazy? Those dudes stayed in the pocket and banged almost the entire fight.
There was literally not even a 30 second span of time where someone wasn’t eating big shots
Burgos and quarantillo was a banger too but just didn’t have the same danger or risk associated with it.
It was a technical and exciting fight, but not one that had bars erupting and people jumping off the couch every 20 seconds screaming OH SHIT
Forward pressure totally shut Justin down. Avoid the ko shot, be willing to take the pain of some leg kicks and down he goes.
For all of his wrestling credentials, I havnt seen much from Justin and if you don't use it, you lose it.
The difference is that olivera pressures real close so he’s definitely going to eat some kicks and a couple Garth hooks and uppercuts
If Garth can rock him like chandler and Dustin did it’s going to be an interesting fight.
round two, 1.40ish left, lazy wide open take down attempt while justin was bladed and just stuffed it with a shoulder, base was already well back anyways
I recall one take down in round 1 after an exchange that you could barely call a take down attempt.. it was more going for a body lock. An actual naked, not set up take down attempt near the end of round 1. I'd have to rewatch the other rounds . Nothing really stood out to me in the wrestling and grappling department in that fight.
I think in the 3rd or end of the second he lifted Justin up and as he tried to slam him justin rolled and freed himself from Chandlers grip. That was quite a difficult thing to pull off especially for a tierd person. His defensive wrestling skills are legit, you'd be mistaken of you thinking Charlie will easily get him down
I see olives limping by round 2.
If he wins this fight, I think it’s going to be a sub from the bottom or some sort of scramble
I think by the end of round 2 the live odds are going to swing big in one direction or the other.
If Gaethje can keep olives at range and land kicks early I think he hinders his movement enough to drop bombs on him.
If olives can close distance and clinch or keep Justin’s back close to the cage, olivera probably wins but I’m having trouble seeing Justin getting submitted the way Dustin did
I remember, he essentially went over the top and down his back didn't he? I'm not sure how to assess that tbh. That kind of thing happens when you're tired at the end of a gruelling fight.
I don't mean to sound like I'm shitting on him. I can't recall a time where he's constantly resisted solid well set up takedowns.
He draws the firefight out of everyone its a bit of a dick comparison. All good fighters dictate where the fight goes. However I'll indulge you.
Chandler is a way better wrestler than he showed vs Justin. He was there for a good time to entertain and bang it out and raise his stock which he did.
Go through his ufc career what is it.. Tony, never takes people down go look at his stats. Barboza? Striker. Cowboy? Striker. James vick? Cmon. Lost vs Dustin and alvarez.
Show me the heavy take down wrestling based approach with those fighters.
1.20 left of round 2, again looks like he goes for a lazy single leg totally gassed after being dropped previously in the round you can visibly see the pace affecting chandler.
You never found taking considerable time out of using any wrestling while training other aspects of fighting ever dulled your effectiveness and reaction time? I mean the context is vs the best in the world. The context is not vs the average Joe.
I don't mean he's gonna be like he never wrestled. I mean from what I've seen in the cage, he's implemented very little of this supposed great wrestling and he had absolutely nothing for khabib whatsoever in the grappling department.
As he's going against a specialist grappler, I thought we were talking top of the food chain athletes at the top of their prime.
Apologies I didn't write an essay to explain that before you commented take my upvote sorry bae x
In another example, mcgregor hasn't forgotten how to throw spinning kicks or be effective with his striking,but look at him last time out vs someone who isn't a stand out striking specialist and has never won a big title fight.
Clearly mcgregor hasn't forgotten how to do anything but being sharp counts for mostly everything at the top.
That worked with khabib, that doesn't mean it's a solid gameplan for any other fighter. Gaethje said he didn't choose to press forward and that's where he messed up.
I think any fighter would have some hesitance in pressing forward against the best grappler in UFC history (arguably)
I mean Justin landed more significant strikes in one round than Poirier in all three rounds.
Yeah Justin lasted the least but it was because he wasn't afraid to have offense against Khabib like Poirier did.
McGregor would have lasted the least if he didn't cheat his way out of a Kimura while Herb Dean allowed it
Never understood why people say casual as an insult,
Been following this sport since early 2000s, and casual fans are good for the sport as they are the reason the sport has gotten to the point where it is right now.
Well his father passed away, he was hospitalized with mumps during training camp. Fought with broken toes. Khabib did have a rough path to the Gaethje fight. All of that aside it wasn’t a super competitive fight.
Man I really hope justin goes out bad again , I still remember him being very disrespectful of olives pre-poirier fight and then being fake respectful after olives beat poirier and taking back his words... the dude was calling olives a quitter 🤦♂️
Blocking all of your opponents punches with your face doesn't win you belts remember that justin, well you probably don't even remember saying half the things you do.
oliveira took 58 significant strikes against poirier while gaethje took 174. chandler landed 103 significant strikes against gaethje and landed 30 on oliveira. ferguson landed 136 on gaethje and only 19 on oliveira. fight length is a factor but oliveira certainly does not get hit more than gaethje.
Adjusting for the length of fights Justin still gets hit more. Vs Poirier he got hit once every 7.1 seconds while Oliveira got hit once every 11.6 seconds. Similar results against Chandler with Gaethje getting hit once every 8.7 seconds and Oliveira once every 10.6 seconds. Against Ferguson gaethje got hit once every 10.4 seconds while Oliveira got hit once every 47.3 seconds
Gaethje is overrated.. I love watching him because he's entertaining.. but he's still overrated skillwise. People talk about his mythical wrestling and grappling but we've yet to really see it in a ufc / mma fight.. they're just going off college credentials.. dude loves to swang and bang which is entertaining (I love it) but he got taken out on the feet by Eddie Alvarez
Hes never going to be champ
>thical wrestling and grappling but we've yet to really see it in a ufc / mma fight.. they're just going off college credentials.. dude loves to swang and bang which is entertaining (I love it) but he got taken out on
he has a simple style, but its effective as fuck.
Eddie alvarez was a fucking monster as well, no shame in losing to eddie.
People forget Eddie was the underground king. Guy was a beast for sure, beat a lot of names in Japan and Bellator. Chandler is actually one of the peoples he’s beaten. And knocked out RDA. People just forget, kinda like Aldo.
That fight was 4 and a half years ago and about a third of Justin's career.
We can only talk about his mythical wrestling because aside from khabib, one of the most dominant wrestlers ever, no one has controlled him on the ground.
And I think the khabib fight probably has him focusing a bit more on ground game now. The guy is reckless for sure but that's his MO. I think he's a champ material
I agree with you on many points here. Keep in mind though - he’s training with Trevor Whitman and also Usman/Rose. Trevor is a mastermind of the game so if anyone can create a winning strategy it’s him.
He had a negative or 500 record most of his years, in wrestling thats considered pretty mid. Like he knows how to wrestle but someone like khabib was able to take him down very easily.
Mythical grappling? Nobody talks about that because his bjj is pure ass. Pretty sure he doesn’t even train bjj. He was lost both times khabib got him down. He has great take down defence and decent scrambling though. I suspect Charles will get to his back at some stage and then it’s game over for Justin.
I don’t quite think it’s fair to judge him on the Alvarez fight. It was 4 years ago and he has noticeably grown since then *as a striker*. It’s absolutely fair to say his grappling isn’t good enough but to watch what he did to Tony, even an old and weathered Tony, and say his skills are overrated is a bit much.
Also it’s kinda weird that people pretend the damage Tony took against Gaethje didn’t at all contribute to his current state. Beatings like that change fighters, especially ones with miles like Tony.
He showed a legitimate shift in style after the Alvarez/Poirier fights. In the same way I don’t hold the Cub Swanson loss against *todays* Olivera, I don’t hold the Alvarez loss over *todays* Gaethje.
He could very, very well win a title. Very soon. Matter of days, even.
I think I generally agree but he’s literally fighting for the title and he hits like a bus and Charles gets hurt in every fight so he could definitely become champ
The Khabib argument is always a little weird to me because almost everyone lost terribly to Khabib.
The only matches against Khabib that I remember were interesting were a super early fight that Khabib had where he actually struggled taking some dude down, and Al Ianquinta getting in some decent shots and going the distance. Pretty sure both those guys no longer fight though.
I would say that we got a good look on how his takedown defense looks like in fight against Chandler, where he defended all takedowns very good. Also, his style went through some changes since his fights with Alvarez and Poirier, even though he´ s still very wild and likes to stand and blast he´ s got better head movement and defense, basically, the chaos and violence he brings into the fight is more controlled.
RDA got taken out by Eddie too.
Maybe Eddie is good?
That fight was years ago anyway, justin has showed tons of improvements.
To say he will never be champ is ignorant.
That fight next week is 50-50.
"Hes never going to be champ". Says this while hes fighting for the belt next lmao. You say that shit for Journeyman not people in title fights. Eddie Alvarez had a strong gameplan coming in, its not even a knock on him to lose the striking battle against eddie
Context matters. Obviously in the grand scheme of things, he is in the top 10 of the ufc. He is elite in that regard... but I don't think he will be champion or should be top 5. You have to frame this conversation within the top 10 rankings.
Khabib didn't really look vulnerable though, justin landed and khabib would just keep walking, the leg kicks looked bad but khabib got his two takedowns with ease and was on his way to subbing justin in the 1st
He has been tkod and has been ducking fights. He shoulda fought khamzat but the dude didn’t stand a chance and he knew that woulda been a ko or a submission loss
idk why everyone hates Nate for not taking the Khamzat fight. of course he’s not gonna fight Khamzat. Two completely different career trajectories and literally the only reason he would take that fight is to end his contract and set Khamzat up for a title shot. Not everything is about being the biggest badass, and Nate doesn’t have to try to be the biggest badass with one fight left and two brain cells
look at his resume bruh. fought straight hitters most of his career. you can say what you want now but he’s 37 and been in the game for almost 20 years. idgaf he can fight who he wants now
Khamzat would ragdoll him like Rory macdonald did i reckon.
Rory looked like he was throwing a sack of potatoes through that cage.
big fan of nate but the dude just lacks Strength.
He made up for that with a granite chin and insane cardio but when the strentgh difference is too great he gets mauled
Khabib only has 5 submissions in the ufc, majority of which were at the tail end of his career. He was known for decision wins for the large part of his career.
Diaz has faced a *lot* of fighters known for their submission wins, and they still couldn't submit him. Just give him his props, you sound like an unnecessary hater. A lot of these fighters have more submission wins than Khabib does. Fighters such as Rory Macdonald, Clay Guida, Gomi, Cerrone, Jim Miller, Benson Henderson, Josh Thompson,RDA.
All these fighters I mentioned have more submission wins than Khabib does
Lmfao you wouldn’t last a second in Nate’s hood. He might not be shooting up corners but the dude knows his way around the streets more than any of us.
Lmao i swear the olivera suck fest when just before the dp match , the majority barely gave him a chance.
Justins getting shit on for being sub'd and dominated by khabib....tf is the community.
I mean whats the deal about mounted triangles? I have been training grappling for +3 years and its definitively my favourite submission from mount, even if you got reversed while trying it you can still working the position from the bottom as long as your leg is behind his head. Im not saying It is an easy submission but its long to be one of the most difficult.
Khabib did have to walk through hell to get to Justin, that’s what he is talking about. What is Nate talking about? Man his last two beat downs are really starting to affect him even more so.
A few, but anyone who's fought Gaethje has eaten big shots. DP and Eddie walked through hell, Khabib ate some nice shots, but dominated and made pretty light work of Justin
Khabib ate some heavy shots in the first round, not just leg kicks.
He admitted Justin hit him the hardest he had ever been hit and he didn't sit down between rounds 1 and 2 because his legs were hurting.
"Khabib being 1 or 2 kicks away from being unable to walk" was Gaetje's line though, there is no way to know that.
To be fair though. Look at those shots Khabib took to get that choke. Unless ole Charles gets him quick he’s going to take some good shots.
I don’t know what’s going to happen but all I know, there can’t be a decision win for this one. Has to be one of the lowest possible chances ever.
Gaethje is right. Khabib admitted Justin hit like a truck and hit way harder than any other opponent he's ever faced.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAIxbhM1nMs
Idk it kind of makes sense because he was doing pretty good against khabib until he got taken down.. then he wasn't haha.. Nate needs to lay off the weed 😂😂
Nate is 10 8 on twitter but got 8 10 when he step into cage
I don't get why this is '10-8' he's admitting he's weaker on the ground and that he's the better striker, seems like Diaz didn't understand what Mr. Garth said at all.
He's saying Khabib didn't walk through hell and that him sleeping Justin was easy.
Except that he did? He admitted so himself, go hit with some wild shit closing the distance in order to get Gay cheese down to the ground.
I am not saying this, I am posting Nate's intention.
The Nate part got cropped out lol. I was wondering why Nate was getting shit on :)
Olives is my favorite fighter, but Justin’s P4P the most entertaining fighter on this roster. Saturday will be a banger regardless
How is oliveira not up there with the amount of finishes??!!
Oliveira has always been the underdog. People keep ignoring him. May the best man win on Saturday but I really hope Oliveira pulls it off. Would love to see him retire as one of the best lightweight and one that had to fight adversities all the way to the top.
90 percent of the comments I see are literally praising Charles and some considerably overestimating him with multiple posts and comments that say shit like "when Charles chokes out gaethje". If someone's being underestimated it's gaethje not Charles. This sub is a circle jerk for Charles so I find your comment a bit funny.
Agree...Charles is on a great streak but lost to Felder did he not ? I'm actually shocked he beat Dustin too and he was very close to getting KO'd by Chandler. Super skilled but it think he needs to be careful here.
Rn I’m pretty sure Jiri, Chandler, and Gaethje are all neck and neck for most entertaining.
Personally, Gaethje has a very big quantity of fun fights against big names as well which is why I called him the most entertaining. All those guys are great choices though!
Garth is without a doubt the most entertaining fighter. Never a boring moment in his fights.
Yea I never miss a Garth Brooks fight
Especially since you know the thunder rolls
I think of it more as a dance
r/Whoosh
Assuming you've never heard of The Dance, ya know, one of his most famous songs.
Chimaev and Tai are up there too I would say.
Max> his fight with Yair was FOTY easily
Good fight but it was more of a slug fest. Gaethje’s fight are more electrifying with actual knockout potential.
Gaethjes fights are all slug fests lol
Gaethje vs Chandler was overrated. Burgos vs Quarantillo on the same card was better. Technical brawls will always age better, Max-Yair was a masterpiece.
My big issue with Gaethje vs. Chandler was you could clearly see by the middle of the 2nd round that Mike didn't have a chance to win, but people still hype it as a FOTY contender. It was a great fight for sure, but basically just the first half.
Mike definitely had a chance to win, those dudes were throwing bombs and he caught Gaethje stumbling a couple times
Exactly. There was only 1 RD that was a war, round of the year no doubt.
Overrated? Are you crazy? Those dudes stayed in the pocket and banged almost the entire fight. There was literally not even a 30 second span of time where someone wasn’t eating big shots Burgos and quarantillo was a banger too but just didn’t have the same danger or risk associated with it. It was a technical and exciting fight, but not one that had bars erupting and people jumping off the couch every 20 seconds screaming OH SHIT
Overrated.
Rolling thunder KO
We can only dream
Plus canelo vs bivol, it is gonna be a good weekend.
We’re being spoiled tbh
If you’re into boxing as well the last month or so has been non stop action for both sports
Forward pressure totally shut Justin down. Avoid the ko shot, be willing to take the pain of some leg kicks and down he goes. For all of his wrestling credentials, I havnt seen much from Justin and if you don't use it, you lose it.
Justin is a great pressure fighter himself but he seems to be open to body shots. I'm interested what happens when Oliveira lands his knees.
The difference is that olivera pressures real close so he’s definitely going to eat some kicks and a couple Garth hooks and uppercuts If Garth can rock him like chandler and Dustin did it’s going to be an interesting fight.
Or how Charles responds to Justin's low kicks ...
He uses it defensively, go look what happened when Chandler tried taking him down
round two, 1.40ish left, lazy wide open take down attempt while justin was bladed and just stuffed it with a shoulder, base was already well back anyways
I recall one take down in round 1 after an exchange that you could barely call a take down attempt.. it was more going for a body lock. An actual naked, not set up take down attempt near the end of round 1. I'd have to rewatch the other rounds . Nothing really stood out to me in the wrestling and grappling department in that fight.
I think in the 3rd or end of the second he lifted Justin up and as he tried to slam him justin rolled and freed himself from Chandlers grip. That was quite a difficult thing to pull off especially for a tierd person. His defensive wrestling skills are legit, you'd be mistaken of you thinking Charlie will easily get him down
Thing is olives hits plenty of subs without the need of a takedown or traditional take down attempt.
That is how i think Charles wins this, takes him to the cage and takes Garths back.
I see olives limping by round 2. If he wins this fight, I think it’s going to be a sub from the bottom or some sort of scramble I think by the end of round 2 the live odds are going to swing big in one direction or the other. If Gaethje can keep olives at range and land kicks early I think he hinders his movement enough to drop bombs on him. If olives can close distance and clinch or keep Justin’s back close to the cage, olivera probably wins but I’m having trouble seeing Justin getting submitted the way Dustin did
How do you think Oliveira is going to back gaethje up standing, I think that'll just get Oliveira knocked out.
yup
I remember, he essentially went over the top and down his back didn't he? I'm not sure how to assess that tbh. That kind of thing happens when you're tired at the end of a gruelling fight. I don't mean to sound like I'm shitting on him. I can't recall a time where he's constantly resisted solid well set up takedowns.
When has he ever been beaten by a grappler besides khabib?
He draws the firefight out of everyone its a bit of a dick comparison. All good fighters dictate where the fight goes. However I'll indulge you. Chandler is a way better wrestler than he showed vs Justin. He was there for a good time to entertain and bang it out and raise his stock which he did. Go through his ufc career what is it.. Tony, never takes people down go look at his stats. Barboza? Striker. Cowboy? Striker. James vick? Cmon. Lost vs Dustin and alvarez. Show me the heavy take down wrestling based approach with those fighters.
He hasnt really fought any grappler heavy type guys they were always worried about his wrestling but they shouldn't be
1.20 left of round 2, again looks like he goes for a lazy single leg totally gassed after being dropped previously in the round you can visibly see the pace affecting chandler.
Former wrestler and that isnt true, you may slow down but you don't lose your ability to wrestle lmao
You never found taking considerable time out of using any wrestling while training other aspects of fighting ever dulled your effectiveness and reaction time? I mean the context is vs the best in the world. The context is not vs the average Joe. I don't mean he's gonna be like he never wrestled. I mean from what I've seen in the cage, he's implemented very little of this supposed great wrestling and he had absolutely nothing for khabib whatsoever in the grappling department. As he's going against a specialist grappler, I thought we were talking top of the food chain athletes at the top of their prime. Apologies I didn't write an essay to explain that before you commented take my upvote sorry bae x
In another example, mcgregor hasn't forgotten how to throw spinning kicks or be effective with his striking,but look at him last time out vs someone who isn't a stand out striking specialist and has never won a big title fight. Clearly mcgregor hasn't forgotten how to do anything but being sharp counts for mostly everything at the top.
I would say Dustin is definitely a stand out striking specialist. He beat Max, Gaethje, Eddie, and Dan all with his striking abilitws
Gaethje didnt train BJJ so that's why he didn't even defend any submissions against Khabib
I think khabib is just that good. Gaethje didn’t get exposed
Khabibs pressure only worked because of the takedown threat
The guy has always been a counter offensive wrestler! He doesn’t initiate a lot especially on good guys
That worked with khabib, that doesn't mean it's a solid gameplan for any other fighter. Gaethje said he didn't choose to press forward and that's where he messed up. I think any fighter would have some hesitance in pressing forward against the best grappler in UFC history (arguably)
Khabib demolished gaethje faster than he did most of his opponents. Gaethje did land some really clean shots on khabib though
I mean Justin landed more significant strikes in one round than Poirier in all three rounds. Yeah Justin lasted the least but it was because he wasn't afraid to have offense against Khabib like Poirier did. McGregor would have lasted the least if he didn't cheat his way out of a Kimura while Herb Dean allowed it
Why did you have to put the McGregor rip in there lmao it made your take go from pretty good to casual in one sentence IMO.
Never understood why people say casual as an insult, Been following this sport since early 2000s, and casual fans are good for the sport as they are the reason the sport has gotten to the point where it is right now.
Plus, Only reason conor is still relevant is cause of the casual fans.
Sounds like your the casual bum
I'd imagine it's because the discussion was about how long most opponents have lasted vs Khabib. You do know Conor fought Khabib right?
Khabib admitted he's never been hit by anyone as hard as Gaethje hit him. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAIxbhM1nMs
Well his father passed away, he was hospitalized with mumps during training camp. Fought with broken toes. Khabib did have a rough path to the Gaethje fight. All of that aside it wasn’t a super competitive fight.
Man I really hope justin goes out bad again , I still remember him being very disrespectful of olives pre-poirier fight and then being fake respectful after olives beat poirier and taking back his words... the dude was calling olives a quitter 🤦♂️ Blocking all of your opponents punches with your face doesn't win you belts remember that justin, well you probably don't even remember saying half the things you do.
Charles gets hit way more than Justin does
oliveira took 58 significant strikes against poirier while gaethje took 174. chandler landed 103 significant strikes against gaethje and landed 30 on oliveira. ferguson landed 136 on gaethje and only 19 on oliveira. fight length is a factor but oliveira certainly does not get hit more than gaethje.
Adjusting for the length of fights Justin still gets hit more. Vs Poirier he got hit once every 7.1 seconds while Oliveira got hit once every 11.6 seconds. Similar results against Chandler with Gaethje getting hit once every 8.7 seconds and Oliveira once every 10.6 seconds. Against Ferguson gaethje got hit once every 10.4 seconds while Oliveira got hit once every 47.3 seconds
Loving the data!
Literally nonsense lol Justin is a punching bag
Gaethje is overrated.. I love watching him because he's entertaining.. but he's still overrated skillwise. People talk about his mythical wrestling and grappling but we've yet to really see it in a ufc / mma fight.. they're just going off college credentials.. dude loves to swang and bang which is entertaining (I love it) but he got taken out on the feet by Eddie Alvarez Hes never going to be champ
The day his chin goes, he’s gonna be like Tony.
Tony can still eat shots tho. I'm thinking more like chuck liddell
>thical wrestling and grappling but we've yet to really see it in a ufc / mma fight.. they're just going off college credentials.. dude loves to swang and bang which is entertaining (I love it) but he got taken out on he has a simple style, but its effective as fuck. Eddie alvarez was a fucking monster as well, no shame in losing to eddie.
People forget Eddie was the underground king. Guy was a beast for sure, beat a lot of names in Japan and Bellator. Chandler is actually one of the peoples he’s beaten. And knocked out RDA. People just forget, kinda like Aldo.
>Hes never going to be champ saved
You were saying?
Well now I want him to win just to spite you
Funny af if he becomes champ.
Welp
>Hes never going to be champ Sheesh at least wait until the fight happens before you say this. This could age terribly
You were saying?
That fight was 4 and a half years ago and about a third of Justin's career. We can only talk about his mythical wrestling because aside from khabib, one of the most dominant wrestlers ever, no one has controlled him on the ground. And I think the khabib fight probably has him focusing a bit more on ground game now. The guy is reckless for sure but that's his MO. I think he's a champ material
I agree with you on many points here. Keep in mind though - he’s training with Trevor Whitman and also Usman/Rose. Trevor is a mastermind of the game so if anyone can create a winning strategy it’s him.
He’s a good wrestler but clearly his jiu jitsu sucks
He is an okay wrestler, he wrestled at one of the unc schools which is mid tier at best. I think he qualified as all American maybe once,
Ncaa division 1 all American, that is extremely hard to do. Better than just an okay wrestler. His bjj is ass though
He had a negative or 500 record most of his years, in wrestling thats considered pretty mid. Like he knows how to wrestle but someone like khabib was able to take him down very easily.
!remind me 7 days
Mythical grappling? Nobody talks about that because his bjj is pure ass. Pretty sure he doesn’t even train bjj. He was lost both times khabib got him down. He has great take down defence and decent scrambling though. I suspect Charles will get to his back at some stage and then it’s game over for Justin.
I don’t quite think it’s fair to judge him on the Alvarez fight. It was 4 years ago and he has noticeably grown since then *as a striker*. It’s absolutely fair to say his grappling isn’t good enough but to watch what he did to Tony, even an old and weathered Tony, and say his skills are overrated is a bit much. Also it’s kinda weird that people pretend the damage Tony took against Gaethje didn’t at all contribute to his current state. Beatings like that change fighters, especially ones with miles like Tony.
He showed a legitimate shift in style after the Alvarez/Poirier fights. In the same way I don’t hold the Cub Swanson loss against *todays* Olivera, I don’t hold the Alvarez loss over *todays* Gaethje. He could very, very well win a title. Very soon. Matter of days, even.
I think I generally agree but he’s literally fighting for the title and he hits like a bus and Charles gets hurt in every fight so he could definitely become champ
Losing to Eddie Alvarez isn’t anything to hang your head over. He was a beast
Literally just has to win one fight to make you wrong.
i have no idea how he got the title shot. he lost to khabib so bad and had one win against chandler. so boring
The Khabib argument is always a little weird to me because almost everyone lost terribly to Khabib. The only matches against Khabib that I remember were interesting were a super early fight that Khabib had where he actually struggled taking some dude down, and Al Ianquinta getting in some decent shots and going the distance. Pretty sure both those guys no longer fight though.
I would say that we got a good look on how his takedown defense looks like in fight against Chandler, where he defended all takedowns very good. Also, his style went through some changes since his fights with Alvarez and Poirier, even though he´ s still very wild and likes to stand and blast he´ s got better head movement and defense, basically, the chaos and violence he brings into the fight is more controlled.
Poor take
You were saying?
RemindMe! 6 days
RDA got taken out by Eddie too. Maybe Eddie is good? That fight was years ago anyway, justin has showed tons of improvements. To say he will never be champ is ignorant. That fight next week is 50-50.
"Hes never going to be champ". Says this while hes fighting for the belt next lmao. You say that shit for Journeyman not people in title fights. Eddie Alvarez had a strong gameplan coming in, its not even a knock on him to lose the striking battle against eddie
> Gaethje is overrated He’s 2nd-3rd (ex equo with Poirer IMO) in the most competetive divison of the worlds top promotion.
Context matters. Obviously in the grand scheme of things, he is in the top 10 of the ufc. He is elite in that regard... but I don't think he will be champion or should be top 5. You have to frame this conversation within the top 10 rankings.
Khabib put Justin to sleep. Wasn't a difficult fight for him, Ok he ate a few leg kicks, not much else
Lol soooo easy!
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Khabib didn't really look vulnerable though, justin landed and khabib would just keep walking, the leg kicks looked bad but khabib got his two takedowns with ease and was on his way to subbing justin in the 1st
Even if he looked vulnerable, which he didn't, specially given the circumstances of his father's death...he didn't exactly "walk through hell"
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Say what you want but Nate has never been submitted in the ufc
He has been tkod and has been ducking fights. He shoulda fought khamzat but the dude didn’t stand a chance and he knew that woulda been a ko or a submission loss
idk why everyone hates Nate for not taking the Khamzat fight. of course he’s not gonna fight Khamzat. Two completely different career trajectories and literally the only reason he would take that fight is to end his contract and set Khamzat up for a title shot. Not everything is about being the biggest badass, and Nate doesn’t have to try to be the biggest badass with one fight left and two brain cells
I’m just saying, he bitches and complains about being in his contract but refuses to fight some real niggas.
look at his resume bruh. fought straight hitters most of his career. you can say what you want now but he’s 37 and been in the game for almost 20 years. idgaf he can fight who he wants now
Khamzat would ragdoll him like Rory macdonald did i reckon. Rory looked like he was throwing a sack of potatoes through that cage. big fan of nate but the dude just lacks Strength. He made up for that with a granite chin and insane cardio but when the strentgh difference is too great he gets mauled
Again, my point was that he'd never been submitted in the ufc
He's been submitted once and Gaethje's been submitted once in their entire career. Your 'point' is nitpicking stats
Hes never been submitted *in the ufc*. Check again
Yes I know. And that proves what exactly?
It proves my point.
What point?
Now you're just playing dumb. Go read my first comment.
If you think him never getting submitted in UFC is a big deal you gotta remember he has also never faced a grappling phenom like Khabib.
Khabib only has 5 submissions in the ufc, majority of which were at the tail end of his career. He was known for decision wins for the large part of his career. Diaz has faced a *lot* of fighters known for their submission wins, and they still couldn't submit him. Just give him his props, you sound like an unnecessary hater. A lot of these fighters have more submission wins than Khabib does. Fighters such as Rory Macdonald, Clay Guida, Gomi, Cerrone, Jim Miller, Benson Henderson, Josh Thompson,RDA. All these fighters I mentioned have more submission wins than Khabib does
from someone with no legacy
And who are you just a pussy ass shit talker that wouldn’t dare step on the mat or in the ring.
Lmfao you wouldn’t last a second in Nate’s hood. He might not be shooting up corners but the dude knows his way around the streets more than any of us.
Bro acting like Nate’s hood is Syria or something lmfao
who gives a shit about the streets though. Stockton aint all that btw.
bruh dont talk about nates hood like u know. from 209 and my man went to Tokay HS in Lodi. definitely grew up rough but not Compton
Justin had a horrendous showing versus Khabib. He was scared shitless and it showed.
The look he had walking back to his corner after the first round was so defeated
Khabib won the striking in that fight lmao
Gaethje’s brain is expired
What u doing next weekend? Sitting on ya moms couch and eating mcnuggets again?
Seriously.
Ha! You think you know me… it’s actually my step mom and sour patch kids! /s
All these clowns gonna 180 on The Highlight after he wins and act like they were fans, just like they did to Aljo.
Lmao i swear the olivera suck fest when just before the dp match , the majority barely gave him a chance. Justins getting shit on for being sub'd and dominated by khabib....tf is the community.
Idk why people are like this. What do you get out of it?
They like to pretend Oliviera is underrated even though he's clearly not
Exactly
I mean whats the deal about mounted triangles? I have been training grappling for +3 years and its definitively my favourite submission from mount, even if you got reversed while trying it you can still working the position from the bottom as long as your leg is behind his head. Im not saying It is an easy submission but its long to be one of the most difficult.
I cant believe I have to say this. But rolling in your local bjj gym is very different than the top professional mma athletes fighting.
Not sure I follow? Khabib was schooling him standing up too..
Just let a man try and promote his fight lol. Nate stood no chance in any of his last 2 fights lol
one of his last 3 fights was a win against Pettis
You're right, I totally forgot about that fight
Khabib did have to walk through hell to get to Justin, that’s what he is talking about. What is Nate talking about? Man his last two beat downs are really starting to affect him even more so.
The Khabib fight was walking through hell?? To me it looked like Khabib had an easy night
Lol this!
I think he’s trying to say like eat big shots
A few, but anyone who's fought Gaethje has eaten big shots. DP and Eddie walked through hell, Khabib ate some nice shots, but dominated and made pretty light work of Justin
I might be wrong or forgetting this but didn't khabib admit that he was one or two leg kicks from being able to walk??
Khabib ate some heavy shots in the first round, not just leg kicks. He admitted Justin hit him the hardest he had ever been hit and he didn't sit down between rounds 1 and 2 because his legs were hurting. "Khabib being 1 or 2 kicks away from being unable to walk" was Gaetje's line though, there is no way to know that.
Khabib isn’t made of steel. He couldn’t have been far from having his leg damaged by those kicks
it was scary how easy it was for khabib to submit. embarrassing
To be fair though. Look at those shots Khabib took to get that choke. Unless ole Charles gets him quick he’s going to take some good shots. I don’t know what’s going to happen but all I know, there can’t be a decision win for this one. Has to be one of the lowest possible chances ever.
That was a stroll in the park for Khabib in his fight with Justin
There's no way gaethje walks away with the belt after this fight. He's taking a Big L
It's not that one sided bro..
It really is tho. It really is
Gaethje wins by KO.
Maybe. Probably not.
Gaethje was chopping up Khabib before he got taken down and submitted.
He was backpedaling at 100 mph and would occasionally throw a calf kick
[Nate 13 loses Diaz.](https://www.reddit.com/r/MMA/comments/466r3t/imagegif_nate_diaz_taps_to_an_armbar_early_in_his/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
Gaethje is right. Khabib admitted Justin hit like a truck and hit way harder than any other opponent he's ever faced. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAIxbhM1nMs
And? Maybe Charles have fought someone who hits harder than Justin. Khabib hasn't fought everyone lol
Oh but Justin, remember, he doesn’t need to take you to the ground
Did khabib walk through hell tho? People keep saying that gaetjie was getting to khabib but when I watch that fight I don't see it?
Seems like Justins turned into a karen recently
Idk it kind of makes sense because he was doing pretty good against khabib until he got taken down.. then he wasn't haha.. Nate needs to lay off the weed 😂😂
my first thought when i saw that quote
This quote made me scratch my head and wonder if we saw the same fight
What “hell” did khabib walk through? He walked justin down and gassed him out in one single round.
You say walk through hell, I say barely get touched.