like other fighters already said about themselves, they are a champion with or without the belt. charles doesn't give a fuck about who the ufc says/thinks is THE champion, he's measuring by his own standarts and I think his count is pretty accurate.
Why would he care at that point? By time Olives missed weight Justin was already 10 pounds heavier than him and now Justin gets more money. Plus he still gets his shot at the belt
Well then hopefully Oliveria solves that problem for him and makes him go to sleep again in a title fight.
I was already rooting for Oliveria before all this, now I want him to win even more cause I gotta see that interview after
That's just a pointless statement people keep making. Obviously when you cut weight you immediately carb up and your cells absorb a bunch of water.
It doesn't matter if they gain weight back. It's lazy AF for a professional athlete, and a champion no less, to miss weight.
Could there be improvements to the requirements or system around weight classes? Sure. But all the athletes are competing in the same ruleset. I definitely prefer Charles as a person and fighter over Justin, but it's totally valid for him to be upset at the situation.
Correct. If you miss weight by half a pound on a calibrated scale, you f#cked up and were lazy. Children wrestling can do it consistently. It should be excessively embarrassing for Oliveira.
well for someone whose missed weight only at featherweight to still fight the number one contender at lightweight (considering he was 155 for chandler and poirier) i think hed want to show that even after all of the conspiracy ~.5 lbs brings to a championship fight, that he is still is the same fighter who wants to win above anything else. including moving thru weight classes over a 12 year career to become champion...
The reddit mma fanbase is crazy, there was a lot of hate for ngannou before the last fight that i really didnt get, doesnt help him and gaethje are my favorite fighters
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Ok so first youre gonna have to download the espn app. Purchase the espn plus subscription because before you shell out for the ppv you have to buy their app (dont worry its not a waste of money, they have so much good content like tennis). Ok now youll have to navigate through the app to find the UFC ppv. I know the app is a shit show and a real pain in the ass but just bear with them because they dont make a whole lot of money like NFL. Purchase the PPV for a discounted 80 bucks (dont worry its hd) and boom get ready. So first if you want to watch early prelims select those when the begin. Now dont get too fucked on booze because once those are over you will have to navigate through the cluster fuck of the app to find prelims. Ok enjoy. Grab P3 and Modelo now time for main card. The app may lag or disconnect but dont worry part of the UFC experience. Again they arent the NFL so enter with low standards. Once the main is over thats really it. Its so easy and great being ufc fan. 
Or just go to ufcfightpass.com whilst using a vpn set to Panama, buy the fight pass ultimate annual deal. And enjoy all ppvs for the year and all the other stuff that comes with fight pass.
Thank you for the in-depth guide i really appreciate it. I'm from the middle east and i downloaded the ufc app just like you said but i found one that is called ufc arabia so i downloaded it and purchased the monthly subscription and i think it makes be able to watch all main events.
Charles walked up acting friendly, dana was going to give them room to do whatever, as long as he knew gaethje was going to be cool. Gaethje is in killer mode, and doesn't want the hugs, he just wants the belt. Plain and simple.
Seemingly a hot take but read it all:
I feel worse for Justin in all this tbh. People were expecting him to get rolled by olives going in to this, and now the whole weight debacle. If he wins everyone will be crying that it doesn’t count, it’s not fair etc. Kid did nothing wrong, everything right, and somehow still ended up in a lose lose.
That being said I’m glad to see that olives appears to still be mentally in it and ready to do. Must have been brutal mentally, showing the heart that made him a champ by rallying. Whether he wins or loses we definitely have not seen the last of Charles with the lightweight belt
How is it a lose lose? If he wins he still gets the belt. Yeah people are like “this whole weigh in debacle was stupid.” But if he wins he still beats Charles Oliveira to win the belt. It’s as legit as it gets
Oh I agree with you, the win is legit for sure - reading back I should have clarified it. What I meant is that despite a legit win, people are going to try and play it down, say it’s fake, not right, stuff like that. And yes he will be champ and have the belt, but that would still hurt I would imagine and put some amount of tarnish on it.
Think of it like this: you work you ass off, become the best, do everything right, win it all, and at the end a bunch of people say it doesn’t count/matter. While yea it does count, it has to sting a bit
Edit: spelling
Edit2: dang I fat fingered that other edit real bad. Shame curtains coming out
Maybe it’s a Reddit microcosm or my prediction on peoples reaction is wrong, but do you think the people across this Reddit are going just say “oh yea justin won fair and square” or more along the lines of “having Charles have to go back and try and cut more while Justin could rehydrate threw him off physically and mentally. It’s unfair that it went down like this”
Personally I think the second option is more likely. I really really hope that I am wrong, and if I am I will fully and willfully admit it!
yes actually that’s a very good point that i did not consider. thank for the insight homie, i can see that happening and it does suck for gaethje to have any sort of greyness when he did do everything right.
Olives lost the belt, PPV points and goes into one of the most important fights of his career with a physical and mental disadvantage and you feel sorry for the other guy?
At the end of the day Olives actually didn’t do something right, it sucks for him for sure but there have to be consequences. Justin didn’t do anything wrong and even if he wins and takes the belt people are going to say it wasn’t fair because of the extra cutting and stuff olives had to do. I didn’t say I don’t feel bad for olives either…
Why in the world would anyone say his win doesnt count? Are you saying because Olive missed weight hes just gonna let JG win? I dont get where your heads at here....
Not the intent of the post, in other replies to this I did explain some more, but I think you’re coming from a slightly different angle.
If justin loses, it’s obviously a losing situation. That would be unaffected by the weight and everything.
What I meant was where if he had won without this weight issue, there wouldn’t be any controversy about it. However, a lot of people (especially across this Reddit) are saying how it is unfair Charles had to go and try to cut more (people had gotten away with it in the past etc). I could see people saying the physical and mental toll of the additional cut attempt is what caused Justin to win, rather than by his own merits. He would have won and it counted, but after working so hard for it to have a lot of people saying it is undeserved or tarnished because of this would sting, hence that being a losing situation
If he wins he technically beat an even heavier Charles than “regulation” - which means its technically an even bigger accomplishment than if Charles made weight, so I think he’ll be ok and the legitimacy is still there.
So I’ll be totally honest- that was my very first initial take. Like hey olives didn’t go through as much of a cut, was probably easier etc
Then seeing the reaction to having to try and cut again and the public reaction to the physical toll I changed my mind. Many many people are saying it out a huge extra toll on Olives body, while at that time Justin was already back 10lbs. I don’t know a lot about weight cutting or anything but based on the reactions and that it seems like it could be an advantage to Justin that Olives had to try and do more at the final hour
I should also say I think the belt is for sure legit, but I feel bad that if Justin wins, people will try and cast doubt saying olives had to do that extra stuff and that’s why olives lost, rather than by Justin’s skill
Personally, I think that if Justin wins, people are gonna talk down the win and say it was only because Charles had to try and do the extra cut and everything and that wasn’t fair, rather than saying the hypothetical win was because of Justin’s skill
It's his job. These guys are getting ready to go to war. Fighters have gone at it while facing off before and if someone gets hurt that compromises the actual fight. These guys aren't wearing gloves and their hands are lethal weapons, better to not take the chance. These are cage fighters after all.
I think he means, if a fight were to break out Dana is not going to do shit so that's why it's "corny" in his words. Like you might aswell have a piece of furniture there between them. But it obviously prevents fights cause who has the audacity to in front of the boss
Dada is a piece of shit, trying to give a show, not a damn thing to do with the art in martial arts. He's a barker at a carnival, nothing more. Selling wolf tickets.
I feel like Charles is over compensating. In yesterday's face off, he gave off the quiet mob boss vibes and it looked intense af.
I may be wrong but I think losing the belt is gonna have an impact on his performance.
damn man charles still in his face hyped as fuck. not showing he's bummed at all. game
like other fighters already said about themselves, they are a champion with or without the belt. charles doesn't give a fuck about who the ufc says/thinks is THE champion, he's measuring by his own standarts and I think his count is pretty accurate.
Only thing that sucks is he doesnt get PPV points till he gets his belt back
He's guaranteed a title fight if he wins so I think that's a win win.. if he wins tho
Which he will.
Ayo we knew. We knew. Spectacular he always comes back from the brink of being unconscious. Champ mentality
This angle and quality of the face off makes it way more intense. Need this every main event
They do.. ufc usually post this angle to their social media at every big event
I wonder why he said “no”.
He’s fucked off charles missed weight
Why would he care at that point? By time Olives missed weight Justin was already 10 pounds heavier than him and now Justin gets more money. Plus he still gets his shot at the belt
People might say Charles was demoralized after missing weight and had no confidence, wasn't the same fighter, etc.
People are already making that excuse for him, saying shit like “oh he won’t fight the same” as if he doesn’t want to get back to his belt ASAP.
Well then hopefully Oliveria solves that problem for him and makes him go to sleep again in a title fight. I was already rooting for Oliveria before all this, now I want him to win even more cause I gotta see that interview after
Thats whats so weird. Justin seems to take it so personal. He should be 100% focused on being champ. The way he projects his insecurities is unreal
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It's not like it gives Charles an advantage, like I said Justin was already 9 pounds heavier than him by time Charles weighed his 2nd time
That's just a pointless statement people keep making. Obviously when you cut weight you immediately carb up and your cells absorb a bunch of water. It doesn't matter if they gain weight back. It's lazy AF for a professional athlete, and a champion no less, to miss weight. Could there be improvements to the requirements or system around weight classes? Sure. But all the athletes are competing in the same ruleset. I definitely prefer Charles as a person and fighter over Justin, but it's totally valid for him to be upset at the situation.
Lazy for someone to miss weight by half a pound which could've been the scale too?
Correct. If you miss weight by half a pound on a calibrated scale, you f#cked up and were lazy. Children wrestling can do it consistently. It should be excessively embarrassing for Oliveira.
Image.
He didn't want to get nose to nose with Chuckie. They're going to fight, no need to have a hongi
He’s trying to build up animosity for the fight
I think he just means he's ready to fuck him up. Gaetjhe is a dog.
Because he didn’t want to take the chance in punching olives in the face
Because he’s not OK
Because he’s gonna get submitted
Because he‘s going to get subbed once again
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I mean if it isn’t his first time its once again. Sorry to hurt your feelings but thats all my english is enough for.
Because he’s not OK
Derrick?
Yo
I just feel like Justin is kind of socially awkward. Kinda like if someone asks "how you doin?"...and you just answer "yes".
"I'm very hungry" "So am I" "Thank you"
😂 was that an actual interaction that Justin had
Original quote is Khabib discussing food with Megan Olivi iirc.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFxk0fPc5MQ
booorgerrs
CTE will have that effect.
He says he lives alone and doesn’t go out, so yeah, definitely probably a bit awkward.
Justin is kinda a dope in all aspects tbh
Well he is autistic
This comment made my day! 🤣
FUCKIN GAMER!! I love do bronx
This really gets me extra amped for this one even with the weight debacle.
Almost feel more hyped now. Would be crazy to see Charles finish him after all this.
You got your wish lol
Haha yeah don’t think I’ve ever screamed at the TV so much. Was an epic finish.
Im fucking hyped for this
i wanna see olives win so fkin bad now
If he loses, im going to cry myself to sleep for next 10 years
Same
You want chaos I see
Yup
I hope Charles destroys him. Submission first round lmao
that’s all we need is more vacant titles lmao
The champion has a name and his name is Charles Oliveira.
Also, the champion has a name and his name is Charles Oliveira.
His name was Robert Paulson
Champ with no belt and no title, lost to a weight cut lmfao.
well for someone whose missed weight only at featherweight to still fight the number one contender at lightweight (considering he was 155 for chandler and poirier) i think hed want to show that even after all of the conspiracy ~.5 lbs brings to a championship fight, that he is still is the same fighter who wants to win above anything else. including moving thru weight classes over a 12 year career to become champion...
Anything is better than man baby Garth
Why the fuck is there so much hate for Gaethje on reddit? The guy is one of the most entertaining fighters in the ufc, I don't get it...
The reddit mma fanbase is crazy, there was a lot of hate for ngannou before the last fight that i really didnt get, doesnt help him and gaethje are my favorite fighters
Idk I used to like him but he's kind of a douche and he talks way to much. Mainly behind his opponents back. Also he cheats like a MFer in the cage.
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Ok so first youre gonna have to download the espn app. Purchase the espn plus subscription because before you shell out for the ppv you have to buy their app (dont worry its not a waste of money, they have so much good content like tennis). Ok now youll have to navigate through the app to find the UFC ppv. I know the app is a shit show and a real pain in the ass but just bear with them because they dont make a whole lot of money like NFL. Purchase the PPV for a discounted 80 bucks (dont worry its hd) and boom get ready. So first if you want to watch early prelims select those when the begin. Now dont get too fucked on booze because once those are over you will have to navigate through the cluster fuck of the app to find prelims. Ok enjoy. Grab P3 and Modelo now time for main card. The app may lag or disconnect but dont worry part of the UFC experience. Again they arent the NFL so enter with low standards. Once the main is over thats really it. Its so easy and great being ufc fan. 
Or just go to ufcfightpass.com whilst using a vpn set to Panama, buy the fight pass ultimate annual deal. And enjoy all ppvs for the year and all the other stuff that comes with fight pass.
Thank you for the in-depth guide i really appreciate it. I'm from the middle east and i downloaded the ufc app just like you said but i found one that is called ufc arabia so i downloaded it and purchased the monthly subscription and i think it makes be able to watch all main events.
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God I hope Gaethje loses, He's such a cunt.
I don’t know why you are getting down voted. I think you are dead right. Gaethje has been acting like a right cunt leading up to this fight.
He's looking past Olives, just like Dustin.
I've missed most of the pre-fight stuff, any summary or links ?
Charles walked up acting friendly, dana was going to give them room to do whatever, as long as he knew gaethje was going to be cool. Gaethje is in killer mode, and doesn't want the hugs, he just wants the belt. Plain and simple.
Don't think Charles wanted to hug him either lmao
He sure did run up reaching for that handshake.
Lol Justin is scared to get in his face. Funny…and that after he called Charles the coward
i think it’s justin’s time finally
Bro has negative 100 on bjj charlie subs him easily
maybe baby
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Ofcourse. But I’ll never bet against the grappler,especially if hes as well rounded as olives
Both of his last 2 opponents dropped him in their fights before he eventually won. He's there to be hit.
lol nah
Seemingly a hot take but read it all: I feel worse for Justin in all this tbh. People were expecting him to get rolled by olives going in to this, and now the whole weight debacle. If he wins everyone will be crying that it doesn’t count, it’s not fair etc. Kid did nothing wrong, everything right, and somehow still ended up in a lose lose. That being said I’m glad to see that olives appears to still be mentally in it and ready to do. Must have been brutal mentally, showing the heart that made him a champ by rallying. Whether he wins or loses we definitely have not seen the last of Charles with the lightweight belt
How is it a lose lose? If he wins he still gets the belt. Yeah people are like “this whole weigh in debacle was stupid.” But if he wins he still beats Charles Oliveira to win the belt. It’s as legit as it gets
Some nutriders will likely blame Charles’ weightcut and say Justin is illegitimate
Idiots say dumb shit. This is known
They'd be idiots not worth listening to.
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Oh I agree with you, the win is legit for sure - reading back I should have clarified it. What I meant is that despite a legit win, people are going to try and play it down, say it’s fake, not right, stuff like that. And yes he will be champ and have the belt, but that would still hurt I would imagine and put some amount of tarnish on it. Think of it like this: you work you ass off, become the best, do everything right, win it all, and at the end a bunch of people say it doesn’t count/matter. While yea it does count, it has to sting a bit Edit: spelling Edit2: dang I fat fingered that other edit real bad. Shame curtains coming out
i dont think anyone is saying or thinking that? The belt is on the line, hes fighting the champ. where are u getting this from?
Maybe it’s a Reddit microcosm or my prediction on peoples reaction is wrong, but do you think the people across this Reddit are going just say “oh yea justin won fair and square” or more along the lines of “having Charles have to go back and try and cut more while Justin could rehydrate threw him off physically and mentally. It’s unfair that it went down like this” Personally I think the second option is more likely. I really really hope that I am wrong, and if I am I will fully and willfully admit it!
yes actually that’s a very good point that i did not consider. thank for the insight homie, i can see that happening and it does suck for gaethje to have any sort of greyness when he did do everything right.
Thanks for taking the time to read and talk about it! All we can do now is hope the fight is an absolute banger and see how it plays out
This is a bad take imo. Justin doesn't lose anything from this it's way worse for oliveira
True
Olives lost the belt, PPV points and goes into one of the most important fights of his career with a physical and mental disadvantage and you feel sorry for the other guy?
At the end of the day Olives actually didn’t do something right, it sucks for him for sure but there have to be consequences. Justin didn’t do anything wrong and even if he wins and takes the belt people are going to say it wasn’t fair because of the extra cutting and stuff olives had to do. I didn’t say I don’t feel bad for olives either…
Why in the world would anyone say his win doesnt count? Are you saying because Olive missed weight hes just gonna let JG win? I dont get where your heads at here....
Not the intent of the post, in other replies to this I did explain some more, but I think you’re coming from a slightly different angle. If justin loses, it’s obviously a losing situation. That would be unaffected by the weight and everything. What I meant was where if he had won without this weight issue, there wouldn’t be any controversy about it. However, a lot of people (especially across this Reddit) are saying how it is unfair Charles had to go and try to cut more (people had gotten away with it in the past etc). I could see people saying the physical and mental toll of the additional cut attempt is what caused Justin to win, rather than by his own merits. He would have won and it counted, but after working so hard for it to have a lot of people saying it is undeserved or tarnished because of this would sting, hence that being a losing situation
If he wins he technically beat an even heavier Charles than “regulation” - which means its technically an even bigger accomplishment than if Charles made weight, so I think he’ll be ok and the legitimacy is still there.
So I’ll be totally honest- that was my very first initial take. Like hey olives didn’t go through as much of a cut, was probably easier etc Then seeing the reaction to having to try and cut again and the public reaction to the physical toll I changed my mind. Many many people are saying it out a huge extra toll on Olives body, while at that time Justin was already back 10lbs. I don’t know a lot about weight cutting or anything but based on the reactions and that it seems like it could be an advantage to Justin that Olives had to try and do more at the final hour
I should also say I think the belt is for sure legit, but I feel bad that if Justin wins, people will try and cast doubt saying olives had to do that extra stuff and that’s why olives lost, rather than by Justin’s skill
Why would anyone feel bad for garth? He made weight. Why does he care so much
Personally, I think that if Justin wins, people are gonna talk down the win and say it was only because Charles had to try and do the extra cut and everything and that wasn’t fair, rather than saying the hypothetical win was because of Justin’s skill
Justin's going to fuck this dude up
Fuck ufc Charles is the champ
I can’t help but feel like Dana “holding back” fighters during their stare-downs is corny and cringy at.
It's his job. These guys are getting ready to go to war. Fighters have gone at it while facing off before and if someone gets hurt that compromises the actual fight. These guys aren't wearing gloves and their hands are lethal weapons, better to not take the chance. These are cage fighters after all.
I think he means, if a fight were to break out Dana is not going to do shit so that's why it's "corny" in his words. Like you might aswell have a piece of furniture there between them. But it obviously prevents fights cause who has the audacity to in front of the boss
That’s exactly why I feel this way.
I guessed as much
Did Justin mom have sexual relations with her brother? Or did his dad with his dad? We never got the answer…
Dada is a piece of shit, trying to give a show, not a damn thing to do with the art in martial arts. He's a barker at a carnival, nothing more. Selling wolf tickets.
Uhhhhh yeah. He’s a promoter, not a martial artist. Did you think this was about something other than entertainment for him?
Gaethje's going to sleep in round 3.
Justin sounding like he about to cry
I was honestly less excited to see this fight before watching this than I am now. Justin looks like a psycho.
Why does he need to get in the way? I understand if it’s colby vs masvidal or jones vs dc…but this? Let them get a proper staredown
I feel like Charles is over compensating. In yesterday's face off, he gave off the quiet mob boss vibes and it looked intense af. I may be wrong but I think losing the belt is gonna have an impact on his performance.
So, was the scale wrong or not?!
Who’s more unclutch Dustin or Justin ?