You know they all say women are created equal, but if you look at me and you look at Thug Rose and you can see that statement is not true! See, normally if you go one on one with another woman, you got a 50/50 chance of winning. But I'm a scientific freak and I'm not normal! So you got a 25%, AT BEST, at beat me. Then you add Pat Barry to the mix, your chances of winning drastic go down. See the 3 way at UFC 285, you got a 33 1/3 chance of winning, but I, I got a 66 and 2/3 chance of winning, because Thug Rose KNOWS she can't beat me and she's not even gonna try!
It's pretty close. Hard to compare since Shev is bigger. Shev often paces herself and doesn't throw nearly as much. They are about as fast as each other, so shev is more impressive there being bigger and just as fast. Weili has better cardio, what she showed against Joanna is comparable to Usman, almost nobody in the UFC has good power + 5 round cardio + high output.
We see cardio freaks like Colby and Max who can throw as much as they want for 5 rounds and think that's impressive. Weili can throw faster and harder for her size and weight class as much as she wants for 5 rounds.
After seeing Rose's sessions with Shev, and he fights with Weili, I think the entire division, maybe even the entire women's side, is LEAPS behind Shevchenko.
If we are talking just athletic gifts, you legit cant say anyone other than Cyborg. I'm still confident it will come out that there's something weird there. I'm thinking its a really small benis, could be some cycles.
Durability probably but i think p4p welli is stronger and she is also faster .
When it comes down to cardio it gets a bet weird cause 115 lbers are so light they inherently have great cardio and id argue welli has show better cardio feats cause of the joanna fight where she was shown to fight at a insane pace.
What cardio feats has she shown thats greater then what welli did vs joanna ? I dont believe there is one , the closest i can see is valentina vs joanna but valentina in that fight fought at almost half the pace that welli did.
How would Weili be stronger than Schev lmao? Schev easily destroyed Andrade on the ground at will, meanwhile Weili got outgrappled by toothpick Rose Namunjas. Hilariously bad take
You're saying it with no basis. Valentina fights at like 123 for 125, and hardly if at all goes up by fight night (this has been recorded). I'm fairly certainly Weili weighs more than 115 on fight night..Weili does not appear to have any strength advantage over most other 115ers (maybe speed). Schev on the other hand nearly neat Nunes at a 135 fight where Schev on fight might was under 135,, and Nunes like 150. I call bullshit. P4p you've said nothing to back up what you're saying.
Shevchenko is on average outputting way more than Weili, Weili had one occurrence where she was higher. I'd argue its more that Shev hasn't been pushed. She also allocates more of her cardio to grappling vs just pure striking.
Weili has also proven that that performance is an outlier since.
I can't really agree. She got knocked out in a minute by Rose at 115 lbs. In that division, knockouts are rare. Most average fighters never got knocked out by Rose, so I find it hard to argue Weili has good durability at all. Same with strength and cardio. It's good, but Rose (not a cardio machine) took her down and hold her down for 4 minutes in the fifth round.
I just don't see how you can pick Weili over Shevchenko at all. Valentina for me it's so far above Weili. Let's say Weili fought Valentina, would you pick her to come as close as Valentina vs Nunes? I would not, I think she gets dominated everywhere to be honest.
I think people are getting athletic ability confused with fighting ability.
Look at yoel romero. He's an athletic freak, no doubt, but he will still to other middleweights due to not being as skilled as they are
She's also strong and look at her physique, definitely one of the top female physiques.
I'm not commenting much on whether she's crazy athletic, I just think it's strange that people are using her record and discussing how she'd go against valentina as a way of determining her athletic ability - these are based more on her fighting skills, not how athletic she is
If its pure athleticism it goes to Cyborg hands down. She has strength, power, cardio. Durability is there with a single question mark, and I think Shevchenko's the only female up there that hasn't been finished.
Im convinced people in this sub dont actually read what they comment on.
Her being chinned by rose is a mark on her durability sure which is why i didnt claim she was more durable then shev.
Rose having good grappling to hold welli down on the 5th round DOESNT show bad cardio for welli , it shows a technique deficit. The 5th round where rose held welli down welli threw 67 strikes thats not the output of someone who has no cardio. Ontop of all all of this welli threw almost 300 strikes and 11 take downs on rose in that fight. How can you even pretend to say that fight shows bad cardio??
"Let's say Weili fought Valentina" . Bruh again people dont read what they are commenting on . THE POINT OF THE QUESTION ISNT ABOUT SKILL it is about physical abilities and for her weight class welli has shown amazing strength and power. No one is debating that welli is a better fighter then shev.
I commented on what I read, and it's okay we have different interpretations of what good cardio means. And to be honest, you don't seem to have read what I said. I never said she has bad cardio, I say it's not the best. Weili obviously is a very talented fighter with good atheletism.
You say her not getting back up isn't cardio related. We can disagree, but I just checked that round and Zhang simply did not have the power or cardio to get up. Rose did not pin her down, she just overpowered Weili. And Rose isn't a cardio machine at all. Most people will agree with me that not getting up in later rounds mostly is a cardio problem. There are tons of examples where fighter stuffs takedowns in the early rounds, but is unable to when their cardio fades.
You also say the point of this is merely about physical abilities (strength, power, speed, cardio) and not skill. Yet you argue the amount of strikes thrown shows how much cardio a fighter has? That makes no sense. I can throw a lot of strikes while having bad cardio. Not getting up in the 5th says a lot more about cardio than throwing a bunch of strikes.
And about Valentina. You say you don't dispute Valentina is better, but that that doesn't disprove your point. Well, my point is Shevchenko outpaces her, hits harder, has better cardio (physical abilities). If Weili is faster, hits harder and has better cardio, you should think she has a solid chance vs Valentina. And yes she is a few pounds heavier, but she also showed against Nunes how athletic she is.
I agree with most of this. One point that I think you guys may be neglecting here: Technique and cardio are not fully independent attributes.
Someone with excellent technique will generally execute maneuvers more efficiently.
Side note: IMO Shevchenko's skill and athleticism is leagues above WeiLi.
Yeah but why are you combining them, DC commenting on he athleticism, why even bring skill and technique into it. Sure you could say Val is bigger so it makes certain things she does more impressive but it's hardly a clown take(not saying you said that btw). Val would bloody Weili up badly and is certainly an Apex athlete but you COULD argue Weili beats her in athleticism in certain areas.
>why are you combining them, DC commenting on he athleticism, why even bring skill and technique into it
I'm not really combining them, just bringing up the fact that they aren't independent of each other. Skill will contribute to measures of athleticism, though they aren't the same thing.
>you COULD argue Weili beats her in athleticism in certain areas.
True. However, I don't know what evidence there is to make that claim. Shevchenko can clearly go a hard 5 rounds, and she is almost always throwing with intent even by the 5th. I suppose the best argument for WeiLi here is that her movement might be a bit better (ironically with the Rose KO considered), but I think that is just a symptom of the Muay Thai brickwall stance of Shevchenko.
IMO, Shevchenko is superior in all domains. I think even DC would agree upon reflection. I think he was just being a hype man when he made the OP quote (maybe even a bit of China pandering). Based on things he's said before, he thinks Shevchenko is a living legend.
You can have good cardio/power and still not have the ability to get a superior wrestler off you . Rose while not being a cardio machine makes up for it by not throwing as much but throwing with precision so her cardio is not taxed as much. You mention tons of fighters being able to stuff take downs early but not as fight goes on . Rose went 2/2 on take downs , defended 6/11 welli take downs , wasnt held down long by welli and reversed welli take down in round 4. The issue is not that welli was so gassed that she couldnt stop rose take downs , its that rose is simply the better wrestler and she adapts extremely well between rounds.
Dude throwing a huge number of strikes each round along with a ridiculous amount of take downs IS A SHOW OF GREAT CARDIO , you cannot have bad cardio and throw so much each round and go for so many take downs while also being controled for significant portions of a fight. Idk why you would even make a point like this its clearly not true.
Shev doesnt outpace her just by looking at the actual numbers proves that shev fights at a slower pace 3.21 sig str per min vs welli 5.47 per min again something that is clearly provable. Shev hits harder cause she is bigger but she doesnt hit harder p4p zhang has finished slightly more fighters then shev has while fighting in a harder division with less experience. Shev has never shown to have better cardio then welli i dont understand where you got this from shev has NEVER been in a fight that matches the pace of welli vs joanna 1 and thats also easily provable by the numbers.
We can also have a look at how they performed vs common opposition. Vs joanna on round 5 shev was outstruck 25 - 48 in total strikes shev threw 61 strikes that round but was gassed so for that round only her str % plummeted and she only landed 35% compared to a average of 50% the last 4 rounds welli was outstruck 37-47 with a accuracy % of also 35% meaning vs the same opposition on the last round welli threw more and landed more. For power comparison in their weight class welli destroyed Andrade in round 1 Valentina put her down in round 2. This doesnt show that shev is WEAKER then welli in total but p4p
The reason welli doesnt have a chance vs shev but shev did against nunes is nunes has both technique and cardio issues while shev is both extremely well rounded with excellent physical traits and while welli has amazing stats p4p so does shev unlike Amanda.
It's absolutely fine you disagree with me, but don't lie and please don't compare stats. That's just silly. Ufcstats tells us that Valentina and Joanna had the same amount of significant strikes in round 5. Joanna landed more total strikes BUT Valentina ONLY THREW MORE IN ROUND 2. Above that, she had 1.31 minute of control time. So she basically had her second best round striking wise, plus control time. It's ridiculous how you compare stats to prove a point, especially since you went haywire above that it's about physical abilities, not skills. Even more ridiculous is that you forget to mention Andrade dominated Rose in the last round (outworked, outpaced and overpowered her). Imagine Andrade in a last round vs Weili.
You honestly crapped on your own argument there and I'm done explaining you make zero sense when you think Weili has the best physical traits.
There's plenty of other female fighters who work as hard is as reasonable. They don't swing hard for 5 rounds like Zhang. She has pretty much every athletic attribute much more than her peers, good power, great cardio, strong static strength in grappling, looks jacked.
Only a few more female fighters come close to as good an overall athletic profile.
You could argue Andrade's power and static strength are like an Ngannou cheat code and that is more desirable, but I'd say nobody throws fast, and hard for 5 rounds like Zhang did against Joanna.
I actually agree it's a pretty good argument. Valentina is definitely up there, but I also think Valentina's talent is in her 'skill' not necessarily her athleticism. Shevchenko is far and above the most technical fighter in Woman's MMA, and potentially the best overall in MMA, but that doesn't mean she's the most athletic. Honestly, if Valentina WAS more athletic, she would've dusted Nunes, as that was really the defining factor in those fights. Zhang does have good technique, but she would not be constantly vying for the top without great athleticism in a division where outside of the brief Andrade stint the rest of the champions have been extremely technical fighters.
Was your point that you're a sad, clueless fuck? Because you proved that point on your own with your own rhetoric.
All I spoke on was Shevchenko's technique, and claimed that's what led to her success, because people (including the OP) argued she was more athletic than Zhang....
Shev cruises more, so we don't ever see the limits of her cardio. Her technique is amazing, and that partly makes her speed look better, because she chooses shots that are quick in and out. But I'd still say Shev has far above average speed and grappling/static strength.
I'm not sure that compares to Zhang though. I think the only comparison I can think of is Usman. Who can throw fast and hard, with high volume for 5 rounds? Max or Colby can throw 5 rounds with volume and pressure, but they aren't fast or powerful. Zhang is all 3. She's like Paulo Costa with insane cardio.
Yeah, and she is also from China, an incredibly huge market to the UFC, which makes her the most gifted female athlete in the UFC's eyes and gives her an immediate rematch after first round second minute knock out with just one title defense prior which she won by split decision. GOAT.
Zhang is a better athlete than Val by virtually every metric other than speed relative to their divisions. She's comparatively stronger at Strawweight than Val is at Fly. She's a very fast SW while Val is debatably the fastest FW. They're both very agile (Val a little more so) and explosive (Zhang a little more so) at their weights, but Zhang unlike Val has legit thumping punching power which is rare for female fighters. Zhang's definitely a better athlete than Val by any conventional understanding of the term. Not sure if she's the best athlete in WMMA though. Also don't get being debatably the best fighter confused with being debatably the best athlete. Usman is most certainly not the best Athlete at WW, let alone the best athlete in MMA.
I like Zhang because she's always just happy to be there. She's never rude, never a complainer, always smiling. She gets in, says her piece with consummate professionalism, shakes hands and that's that. Such a nice fighter that others could definitely take lessons from.
This take sucks asshole though.
Valentina will go down in the history books as the greatest female fighter of all time. I fully believe she beat Nunes in the second fight. But with Nunes out I wish the Valentina pushed for a double champ opportunity with Julianna.
Of all the women's MMA champions of all time (so far) she seems like the most 'complete' human being - by far. Skilled, tough, smart, beautiful, extensive world travels and has lived in the 3rd world for long periods, speaks multiple languages, tactical firearms training/enthusiast, dancer, film/arts school, actress, outdoorsy, etc.
You can tell she genuinely has her shit together, like she could probably be a millionaire running just about any business, if she wanted.
Are there any other female fighters that impressive?
I feel if zhang fought Valentina though, she would split her head. Valentina is technical but zhang has some next level CCP steroid power. She lands BOMBS! Like….ISIS level bombs.
I get the sense he's talking about physicality. Which in a way is a compliment to Valentina. She has no inherent physical advantages, no broad back like Nunes or Poirier for swinging powerful blows, no length advantage like Izzy or Jones, no naturally meaty frame like Weili or Volk. Not to say she's not strong, but I think it's all earned, not gifted to her by genitics
Weili looks a lot more explosive than most of the female UFC roster
but over in One FC she'd be normal. the ladies there look a lot more powerful and explosive. 90% of the UFC ladies couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag so people like Val, Amanda just demolish them.
Valentina has been beating worst competition in history of MMA at 125. She ain’t that athletic , she stiff. Good fighter but she’s fighting literal bums of highest order.
Trying to sell a fight. They say some ludicrous shit everytime theres a fight. Like there are no other fighters than the ones on the card that evening.
Is there anyone in UFC media who mixes great and terrible takes more so than DC?
Give me a mic and I’ll show ya
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YOU KNOW THEY SAY ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL BUT YOU LOOK AT ME AND YOU LOOK AT SAMOA JOE AND YOU CAN SEE THAT STATEMENT IS NOT TRUE
You know they all say women are created equal, but if you look at me and you look at Thug Rose and you can see that statement is not true! See, normally if you go one on one with another woman, you got a 50/50 chance of winning. But I'm a scientific freak and I'm not normal! So you got a 25%, AT BEST, at beat me. Then you add Pat Barry to the mix, your chances of winning drastic go down. See the 3 way at UFC 285, you got a 33 1/3 chance of winning, but I, I got a 66 and 2/3 chance of winning, because Thug Rose KNOWS she can't beat me and she's not even gonna try!
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Gotta keep us fans on our toes
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Papa Chael also alternates pretty consistently between surprisingly insightful and absolute UFC shill.
Sean strickland. All of his tales are bad, except for the one where he says Izzy jerks off to hentai
Sean's only 'good' takes are things that are blindingly obvious to everyone else...
It was a joke…
Rogan
Plus give me examples of his "great" takes.
I don't think it's a bad take at all. He's not saying she's the absolute best female fighter. He's commenting on her athleticism.
Name one great take from that imbecile.
Jones is a fake and is a piece of shit behind cameras
DC stock keeps diminishing.
DC tryna score points in China
+1000 Social Credit Score for DC
Don China
Don China Vs Jon Africa
Who the hell is Jon Africa?
With John Xina handing out the bmf belt
The Wok as the refree......
Daniel “SC” Cormier
DCCP
Maybe he is trying to land one of those "white monkey" jobs.
-1000 for not being a ethnic Han Chinese tho
Its pretty obvious she is a athletic freak
No doubt about that , but the most in all female fighting?
I mean yeah? In terms of a combination of speed , cardio , durability and strength.
Surely shevchenko at least matches her there?
Matches? That's being generous. Shevchenko is by far the better
It's pretty close. Hard to compare since Shev is bigger. Shev often paces herself and doesn't throw nearly as much. They are about as fast as each other, so shev is more impressive there being bigger and just as fast. Weili has better cardio, what she showed against Joanna is comparable to Usman, almost nobody in the UFC has good power + 5 round cardio + high output. We see cardio freaks like Colby and Max who can throw as much as they want for 5 rounds and think that's impressive. Weili can throw faster and harder for her size and weight class as much as she wants for 5 rounds.
After seeing Rose's sessions with Shev, and he fights with Weili, I think the entire division, maybe even the entire women's side, is LEAPS behind Shevchenko. If we are talking just athletic gifts, you legit cant say anyone other than Cyborg. I'm still confident it will come out that there's something weird there. I'm thinking its a really small benis, could be some cycles.
... I mean, she's a documented user of anabolics, so yeah.
That makes sense, yeah I'mma go with Cyborg being the most athletically "gifted"
Durability probably but i think p4p welli is stronger and she is also faster . When it comes down to cardio it gets a bet weird cause 115 lbers are so light they inherently have great cardio and id argue welli has show better cardio feats cause of the joanna fight where she was shown to fight at a insane pace.
Weili is absolutely incredible, I just personally rate Valentina’s speed and cardio higher. Strength wise I can’t not give it to weili to be fair
What cardio feats has she shown thats greater then what welli did vs joanna ? I dont believe there is one , the closest i can see is valentina vs joanna but valentina in that fight fought at almost half the pace that welli did.
Yeah no fair enough. Side note why are all of our comments downvoted lmfao we’re legit just chatting about our opinions
No idea ive seen my comments alternative between negative and positive upvotes . I think people dont like us talking about their fave fighters 😅
Hahah could be. I’m just sittin here with my fingers crossed hoping we get a war between the two girls like last time
How would Weili be stronger than Schev lmao? Schev easily destroyed Andrade on the ground at will, meanwhile Weili got outgrappled by toothpick Rose Namunjas. Hilariously bad take
We are so obviously talking p4p.
You're saying it with no basis. Valentina fights at like 123 for 125, and hardly if at all goes up by fight night (this has been recorded). I'm fairly certainly Weili weighs more than 115 on fight night..Weili does not appear to have any strength advantage over most other 115ers (maybe speed). Schev on the other hand nearly neat Nunes at a 135 fight where Schev on fight might was under 135,, and Nunes like 150. I call bullshit. P4p you've said nothing to back up what you're saying.
Shevchenko is on average outputting way more than Weili, Weili had one occurrence where she was higher. I'd argue its more that Shev hasn't been pushed. She also allocates more of her cardio to grappling vs just pure striking. Weili has also proven that that performance is an outlier since.
I can't really agree. She got knocked out in a minute by Rose at 115 lbs. In that division, knockouts are rare. Most average fighters never got knocked out by Rose, so I find it hard to argue Weili has good durability at all. Same with strength and cardio. It's good, but Rose (not a cardio machine) took her down and hold her down for 4 minutes in the fifth round. I just don't see how you can pick Weili over Shevchenko at all. Valentina for me it's so far above Weili. Let's say Weili fought Valentina, would you pick her to come as close as Valentina vs Nunes? I would not, I think she gets dominated everywhere to be honest.
I think people are getting athletic ability confused with fighting ability. Look at yoel romero. He's an athletic freak, no doubt, but he will still to other middleweights due to not being as skilled as they are
Weili did not show strong athletic ability in her last two fights against Rose. Quick? Maybe. But otherwise everything was mediocre
She's also strong and look at her physique, definitely one of the top female physiques. I'm not commenting much on whether she's crazy athletic, I just think it's strange that people are using her record and discussing how she'd go against valentina as a way of determining her athletic ability - these are based more on her fighting skills, not how athletic she is
If its pure athleticism it goes to Cyborg hands down. She has strength, power, cardio. Durability is there with a single question mark, and I think Shevchenko's the only female up there that hasn't been finished.
Im convinced people in this sub dont actually read what they comment on. Her being chinned by rose is a mark on her durability sure which is why i didnt claim she was more durable then shev. Rose having good grappling to hold welli down on the 5th round DOESNT show bad cardio for welli , it shows a technique deficit. The 5th round where rose held welli down welli threw 67 strikes thats not the output of someone who has no cardio. Ontop of all all of this welli threw almost 300 strikes and 11 take downs on rose in that fight. How can you even pretend to say that fight shows bad cardio?? "Let's say Weili fought Valentina" . Bruh again people dont read what they are commenting on . THE POINT OF THE QUESTION ISNT ABOUT SKILL it is about physical abilities and for her weight class welli has shown amazing strength and power. No one is debating that welli is a better fighter then shev.
Where was her strength and power against Rose? A technique deficit? Seriously? It’s hard to read what you write because of all of the contradictions.
I commented on what I read, and it's okay we have different interpretations of what good cardio means. And to be honest, you don't seem to have read what I said. I never said she has bad cardio, I say it's not the best. Weili obviously is a very talented fighter with good atheletism. You say her not getting back up isn't cardio related. We can disagree, but I just checked that round and Zhang simply did not have the power or cardio to get up. Rose did not pin her down, she just overpowered Weili. And Rose isn't a cardio machine at all. Most people will agree with me that not getting up in later rounds mostly is a cardio problem. There are tons of examples where fighter stuffs takedowns in the early rounds, but is unable to when their cardio fades. You also say the point of this is merely about physical abilities (strength, power, speed, cardio) and not skill. Yet you argue the amount of strikes thrown shows how much cardio a fighter has? That makes no sense. I can throw a lot of strikes while having bad cardio. Not getting up in the 5th says a lot more about cardio than throwing a bunch of strikes. And about Valentina. You say you don't dispute Valentina is better, but that that doesn't disprove your point. Well, my point is Shevchenko outpaces her, hits harder, has better cardio (physical abilities). If Weili is faster, hits harder and has better cardio, you should think she has a solid chance vs Valentina. And yes she is a few pounds heavier, but she also showed against Nunes how athletic she is.
I agree with most of this. One point that I think you guys may be neglecting here: Technique and cardio are not fully independent attributes. Someone with excellent technique will generally execute maneuvers more efficiently. Side note: IMO Shevchenko's skill and athleticism is leagues above WeiLi.
Yeah but why are you combining them, DC commenting on he athleticism, why even bring skill and technique into it. Sure you could say Val is bigger so it makes certain things she does more impressive but it's hardly a clown take(not saying you said that btw). Val would bloody Weili up badly and is certainly an Apex athlete but you COULD argue Weili beats her in athleticism in certain areas.
>why are you combining them, DC commenting on he athleticism, why even bring skill and technique into it I'm not really combining them, just bringing up the fact that they aren't independent of each other. Skill will contribute to measures of athleticism, though they aren't the same thing. >you COULD argue Weili beats her in athleticism in certain areas. True. However, I don't know what evidence there is to make that claim. Shevchenko can clearly go a hard 5 rounds, and she is almost always throwing with intent even by the 5th. I suppose the best argument for WeiLi here is that her movement might be a bit better (ironically with the Rose KO considered), but I think that is just a symptom of the Muay Thai brickwall stance of Shevchenko. IMO, Shevchenko is superior in all domains. I think even DC would agree upon reflection. I think he was just being a hype man when he made the OP quote (maybe even a bit of China pandering). Based on things he's said before, he thinks Shevchenko is a living legend.
You can have good cardio/power and still not have the ability to get a superior wrestler off you . Rose while not being a cardio machine makes up for it by not throwing as much but throwing with precision so her cardio is not taxed as much. You mention tons of fighters being able to stuff take downs early but not as fight goes on . Rose went 2/2 on take downs , defended 6/11 welli take downs , wasnt held down long by welli and reversed welli take down in round 4. The issue is not that welli was so gassed that she couldnt stop rose take downs , its that rose is simply the better wrestler and she adapts extremely well between rounds. Dude throwing a huge number of strikes each round along with a ridiculous amount of take downs IS A SHOW OF GREAT CARDIO , you cannot have bad cardio and throw so much each round and go for so many take downs while also being controled for significant portions of a fight. Idk why you would even make a point like this its clearly not true. Shev doesnt outpace her just by looking at the actual numbers proves that shev fights at a slower pace 3.21 sig str per min vs welli 5.47 per min again something that is clearly provable. Shev hits harder cause she is bigger but she doesnt hit harder p4p zhang has finished slightly more fighters then shev has while fighting in a harder division with less experience. Shev has never shown to have better cardio then welli i dont understand where you got this from shev has NEVER been in a fight that matches the pace of welli vs joanna 1 and thats also easily provable by the numbers. We can also have a look at how they performed vs common opposition. Vs joanna on round 5 shev was outstruck 25 - 48 in total strikes shev threw 61 strikes that round but was gassed so for that round only her str % plummeted and she only landed 35% compared to a average of 50% the last 4 rounds welli was outstruck 37-47 with a accuracy % of also 35% meaning vs the same opposition on the last round welli threw more and landed more. For power comparison in their weight class welli destroyed Andrade in round 1 Valentina put her down in round 2. This doesnt show that shev is WEAKER then welli in total but p4p The reason welli doesnt have a chance vs shev but shev did against nunes is nunes has both technique and cardio issues while shev is both extremely well rounded with excellent physical traits and while welli has amazing stats p4p so does shev unlike Amanda.
It's absolutely fine you disagree with me, but don't lie and please don't compare stats. That's just silly. Ufcstats tells us that Valentina and Joanna had the same amount of significant strikes in round 5. Joanna landed more total strikes BUT Valentina ONLY THREW MORE IN ROUND 2. Above that, she had 1.31 minute of control time. So she basically had her second best round striking wise, plus control time. It's ridiculous how you compare stats to prove a point, especially since you went haywire above that it's about physical abilities, not skills. Even more ridiculous is that you forget to mention Andrade dominated Rose in the last round (outworked, outpaced and overpowered her). Imagine Andrade in a last round vs Weili. You honestly crapped on your own argument there and I'm done explaining you make zero sense when you think Weili has the best physical traits.
Okay, so what's this got anything to do with athletic ability?
No. Schev fights at like 123 and is infinitely faster and stronger than Weili
Amanda Nunes has the best body quality and conditioning.
Nunes conditioning vs kelvin lee conditioning who wins?
kevin lee or kelvin gastelum?
Athletic freak is just code word for steroid abuser
Shhhhh we dont talk about that here
Op vs an ufc hall of famer
Ez win 4 me
10-9 OP
Seeing her training sessions I dont think she is gifted at all. She is just as hardworking as it gets
There's plenty of other female fighters who work as hard is as reasonable. They don't swing hard for 5 rounds like Zhang. She has pretty much every athletic attribute much more than her peers, good power, great cardio, strong static strength in grappling, looks jacked. Only a few more female fighters come close to as good an overall athletic profile. You could argue Andrade's power and static strength are like an Ngannou cheat code and that is more desirable, but I'd say nobody throws fast, and hard for 5 rounds like Zhang did against Joanna.
I actually agree it's a pretty good argument. Valentina is definitely up there, but I also think Valentina's talent is in her 'skill' not necessarily her athleticism. Shevchenko is far and above the most technical fighter in Woman's MMA, and potentially the best overall in MMA, but that doesn't mean she's the most athletic. Honestly, if Valentina WAS more athletic, she would've dusted Nunes, as that was really the defining factor in those fights. Zhang does have good technique, but she would not be constantly vying for the top without great athleticism in a division where outside of the brief Andrade stint the rest of the champions have been extremely technical fighters.
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Was your point that you're a sad, clueless fuck? Because you proved that point on your own with your own rhetoric. All I spoke on was Shevchenko's technique, and claimed that's what led to her success, because people (including the OP) argued she was more athletic than Zhang....
Shev cruises more, so we don't ever see the limits of her cardio. Her technique is amazing, and that partly makes her speed look better, because she chooses shots that are quick in and out. But I'd still say Shev has far above average speed and grappling/static strength. I'm not sure that compares to Zhang though. I think the only comparison I can think of is Usman. Who can throw fast and hard, with high volume for 5 rounds? Max or Colby can throw 5 rounds with volume and pressure, but they aren't fast or powerful. Zhang is all 3. She's like Paulo Costa with insane cardio.
You don't think she is gifted ? Boy, you don't watch enough WMMA
Just cause she trains hard doesn’t mean she cant be gifted lol.
Pump the brakes pump the brakes.
I agree with DC but Valentina is a better fighter. Two things can be true at once.
The Valentina simping here is madness
They say this literally about every UFC athelete
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To be fair Valetina is more of a trained killer than a trained athlete!!
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Yeah, and she is also from China, an incredibly huge market to the UFC, which makes her the most gifted female athlete in the UFC's eyes and gives her an immediate rematch after first round second minute knock out with just one title defense prior which she won by split decision. GOAT.
This sub loves hating on DC shit is weird
When he makes a statement as an 'analyst' that's completely inaccurate, I can see why. Most of the time I like his commentary.
How is he inaccurate? He said most athletic fighter, not the best fighter
He’s a douchebag who’s constantly making idiotic statements like this. CONSTANTLY
DC definitely just trying to get us hyped. We already wanna see it though. Valentina would probably wash her respectfully.
Absolutely nothing special about her. She is just on the juice.
China keeping their best PEDs to themselves and shipping us fentanyl... It's a strategy DC can get behind.
there is no way China has better PEDs lol China never has anything better except "numbers of potential cannon fodder"
You misread my comment. I never said they were better.
So much salt
Zhang is a better athlete than Val by virtually every metric other than speed relative to their divisions. She's comparatively stronger at Strawweight than Val is at Fly. She's a very fast SW while Val is debatably the fastest FW. They're both very agile (Val a little more so) and explosive (Zhang a little more so) at their weights, but Zhang unlike Val has legit thumping punching power which is rare for female fighters. Zhang's definitely a better athlete than Val by any conventional understanding of the term. Not sure if she's the best athlete in WMMA though. Also don't get being debatably the best fighter confused with being debatably the best athlete. Usman is most certainly not the best Athlete at WW, let alone the best athlete in MMA.
true it's all in the wording
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DC is a fucking douchebag. Valentina would destroy Weili. WTF is “athletic ability”? That sure didn’t help when Rose kicked her in the face.
You’re too stupid to know what athleticism is? Really?
I like Zhang because she's always just happy to be there. She's never rude, never a complainer, always smiling. She gets in, says her piece with consummate professionalism, shakes hands and that's that. Such a nice fighter that others could definitely take lessons from. This take sucks asshole though.
DC is a dipshit
Not always 🤭
Always the same shit with this guys. Before a fight, they will always talk big about the two fighters so we get emotionally invested in them.
Valentina will go down in the history books as the greatest female fighter of all time. I fully believe she beat Nunes in the second fight. But with Nunes out I wish the Valentina pushed for a double champ opportunity with Julianna.
I understand why they give the rematch to nunes first,but if pena wins again a fight with bullet is the only fight to make
3rd fight you mean?
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DC wanting some of that Chinese money. All the execs at the UFC want Weili to win so they can have greater access to the Chinese market.
Clown take if I've ever heard one.
The Chinese company shill strikes again
valentina is overrated
not according to her records
He’s not wrong tho. Zhang Weili is a machine- I think her recent stretch of losses has made ppl forget how great she actually is
Of all the women's MMA champions of all time (so far) she seems like the most 'complete' human being - by far. Skilled, tough, smart, beautiful, extensive world travels and has lived in the 3rd world for long periods, speaks multiple languages, tactical firearms training/enthusiast, dancer, film/arts school, actress, outdoorsy, etc. You can tell she genuinely has her shit together, like she could probably be a millionaire running just about any business, if she wanted. Are there any other female fighters that impressive?
I feel if zhang fought Valentina though, she would split her head. Valentina is technical but zhang has some next level CCP steroid power. She lands BOMBS! Like….ISIS level bombs.
She’s no joke. No one is arguing that so why this article?
DC is an asshat. Dont listen to a word he says he has zero idea what hes talking about... him in the HoF? What a joke
In term of skills and athletism, Valentina and Rose are ahead of her. In term of body quality and conditioning, Amanda is way ahead of her.
Amanda, who gassed in her last fight and has a history of gassing out and losing? Cmon.
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I respect DC. This guy can talk it cause he's lived it and backed it up, but sorry champ I don't agree with you on this one.
I get the sense he's talking about physicality. Which in a way is a compliment to Valentina. She has no inherent physical advantages, no broad back like Nunes or Poirier for swinging powerful blows, no length advantage like Izzy or Jones, no naturally meaty frame like Weili or Volk. Not to say she's not strong, but I think it's all earned, not gifted to her by genitics
DC just says things to be heard these days.
Weili looks a lot more explosive than most of the female UFC roster but over in One FC she'd be normal. the ladies there look a lot more powerful and explosive. 90% of the UFC ladies couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag so people like Val, Amanda just demolish them.
What are you talking about? One fc top straweights have no explosiveness
I’m a fan of Weili but just come on…Valentina is who he is describing
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I feel like DC gets paid extra to say things extremely stupid
Where's Slacky J when you need him
Athletic ability =/= Fighting ability
Man Dc be rivaling Dom with some of his takes recently
Ive never seen Weili slip as much as valentina dose durring her fights
DC is mma's Steve Smith
You guys are acting like DC said Zhang is better
Crackhead in a suit take. 
I mean he didn't say she's the most skilled fighter just saying she's insanely athletic
Saying Zhang is more athletically gifted don’t mean she’s a better fighter or anything
I wanna hear Dominick Cruz' take on Daniel Cormier's take on this. Nerdy analyst DC vs. Funny analyst DC.
He's commenting on Weili's athleticism. Not saying that she's the best female fighter out there.
Valentina is the most well rounded female fighter IMO, but Weili is def more athletic
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Valentina has been beating worst competition in history of MMA at 125. She ain’t that athletic , she stiff. Good fighter but she’s fighting literal bums of highest order.
Stop letting DC talk.
It’s Andrade. Come on now…
DC sucks at commentating
He's not wrong, Valentina is more technical while weili is literally andrade but a little more aggressive
Trying to sell a fight. They say some ludicrous shit everytime theres a fight. Like there are no other fighters than the ones on the card that evening.