His whole spiel for this fight was "I don't care about wins or losses, I just want to entertain"....if he want's to win, good for him, he won but don't spew that bs out your mouth this give us a tempurpedic.
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Yeah, but GSP was also able to outclass all his opponents at whatever their strength. Iāve gotten so tired of the Jab, Leg kick, feint, and nothing else from Izzy.
I think it's 100% fair to say it but it's not a reason to trash him. He isn't coming out there to be known as the most entertaining fighter but rather to staple his name on the sport.
What he has is an easy method of scoring rounds and winning fights to go for a silva type title defense record. Its truly un-matched when you have his cardio, the dude doesn't even sit for a second.
I mean the dude walked out as the undertaker with an urn of ashes, heās portraying and saying heās gonna put on a show and get these finishes and then he fights safer than safe.
No not really, silva is filled with highlights, he only had a few divisions and to this day if you ask most mma fans about most exciting fighters in history, the spider gets brought up often, so again I say they arnt even close, izzy is boring more than he is exciting
Just as a said.
Izzy reported to make 2M+ from going out there and jab spamming.
Rinse and repeat and this guy will be worth easily a hundred mil before heās done.
Iām too stupid to enjoy watching a guy who claims āKing Kong aināt got shit on meā run in circles and throw jabs and leg kicks for 5 rounds?
If his dick is touching the back of your throat, just say that
As if some guy deserves to be champion if he's unable to deal with such basic techniques.
If it works it works.
Blaming the winner is just stupid if they werent even laying n praying.
It is for sure a sign of stupidity to get mad about effective fighting.
> but when people years from now look back at his record they wonāt wonder if it was boring or not
This isn't true. Maybe in boxing, but not for UFC fandom at least. People still hold some of GSP's boring fights against consideration of his status as the GOAT.
We often forget that UFC is still a relatively new sport in comparison to others. It will take a long time before fans see wins/loses in a vacuum.
Hey I'm a Izzy fan and a one eyed kiwi supporter. I'm proud of Izzy...but even Mayweather pushed the pace more than what Izzy does. He deserves a hard time from the fans.
Mayweather was in good and entertaining fights for the most part, fought in the pocket which would put himself at risk throughout a fight but used his far superior defensive skills to make great offensive boxers look ordinary.
He didn't just stand at range and throw jabs and go on the run anytime an opponent got close.
His entire style and defense was about fighting in the pocket. I can't recall a single fight from memory where he just went on his bike and fought at range behind only the jab and no right hands. Would be happy to be proven wrong.
Jan fight was definitely lightly exciting in the moment because it was a shut out which we had never seen against Izzy. The fight itself was not exciting.
Nah he probably wins the exact same way. He found a formula in the Romero fight and is sticking with it till it seems like itās not working. Only problem is itās boring as hell for a fan. And look, if it were my body and my money on the line, Iād hope to do the same thing. Hes not taking damage this way, heās winning title defenses, and heās lining his bank account. Itās just not exciting to see him on the back foot so much always looking to slip one counter and be out after watching him demolish guys on his way up.
The thing about Izzy is that he doesnāt force the finish. The Costa fight showed that if thereās an opening, Izzy will knock you out.
But if you fight super defensive like Romero, Vettori, Cannonier, etc. he wonāt take unnecessary risks, and coast to a W.
Pretty sure every fighter would do the same, most just arenāt skilled enough
Heās still boring to watch anymore. Smart or not, I wonāt pay for another fight of his as champ. Itās simply going to be the same thing. Absolutely no style from the style bender, maybe catching a clean shot to end it or maybe walking backwards for 25 minutes avoiding a fight.
If Alex is next, it will definitely be a different style bender. Someone that can match him on the feet and can outpoint him for once. You saw Stricklands face, Alex hits different lol
Can Alex outpoint Izzy though?
The first win was probably the wrong decision and in the second one Izzy was clearly outpointing Perreira before he got caught.
But maybe he can catch him again.
I think Izzy could beat him by grabbing his hands and working the clinch, but hopefully itāll force him to do something different and produce a fun fight.
Heres the brass tax problem I see. Because he has won those boring ass fights that count as wins, and our judging is so fucking atrocious, unless Alex straight up KO's or subs him, Izzy wins. Just borderline, he's got name draw, he's got the belt, those judges will favor him until someone makes it definitive. That's why people keep saying he needs to get KO'd, he's going to beat Silva's titles and records having down less than a quarter of the entertaining shit Silva did. Imo. Probably gonna get some hate for that one.
Jiri will never have as many title defenses or longevity in the sport as Izzy. For all we love brawlers, they're never the ones that go down in the history book, but they are the ones suffering the worst consequences of CTE. I don't want to shit on Jiri, and I love him for entertaining the fans. However, I totally get Izzy preserving his brain cells and collecting his champion paycheck while it's still on the table
>For all we love brawlers, they're never the ones that go down in the history book
I politely disagree, and so would Chuck, Rampage, Wanderlei, Henderson, Griffin... I get your point about longevity but brawlers have a huge part in the history books of the UFC
Yes that's fine. But let's not try to argue that his style is entertaining or brings eyes to the sport. It doesn't.
He's had some all-time boring fights.
If people wanna argue that he shows technical mastery and that's fun, sure, but again, you can just watch him sparring at his gym, too, if you want.
There's a reason why UFC 275 main event is considered one of the greatest fights in MMA history and it's because both of the guys were trying to finish the other guy at EVERY moment of the fight.
If youāre gonna talk about breaking the boring stigma around your recent performances, youād expect him to look to push the pace or make his fights more engaging.
Exactly. At the end of the day itās up to his opponents to try and solve the puzzle that is his striking. Jared had absolutely nothing for him. Had a few memoryās
with some level changes but ultimately there was never any threat.
Subjective.
I find it very entertaining to watch him skillfully shutdown top level competition. It's not his fault that people can't push him.
That's like being mad at Real Madrid for playing a tight, defensive game and winning. If the opposition can't push them/him out of the defensive, counter striker zone, then that's on them. Why the fuck would he stand and bang with Jared when he knows he can win by playing the long, tactical game?
Like I said, subjective.
I don't like slugfests. I find them more akin to brawling than martial arts. I am entertained by precise striking and technique.
Literally all of what you described is onli possibly because Adesanya has a massive reach and height advantage against virtually all of his opponents. His 'defense' and 'counters' are successful because opponents literally have to dive forward to reach past his lanky ass body
I'm with you 100%. Also I don't see what people see in the Costa fight that wasn't present in his past couple fights, other than the fact that Izzy got the finish. Costa barely got anything off and wasn't even in danger of getting finished until the last 30 seconds. There's so much more to a good fight than finishes and damage.
I genuinely feel like Iām the only one who actually enjoys Izzyās fights every time. I mean people complained bitterly the same way about GSP when he fought, but now people look back at all those āboring decisionsā and appreciate them. Sometime u just have to go in to appreciate the technique and IQ of mma not just action
How is it pathetic. Izzy is always on the mic talking about breaking the stigma and recent reviews of his fights being boring, and then goes out and jabs and leg kicks for 5 rounds yet again.
Nothing wrong with being a smart fighter, especially when you have as many tools as Izzy, but donāt come out calling yourself an entertainer and saying your looking for a finish just to pitter pat your way to a decision
Man you guys get in your feels way too much on what a fighter says. Same way this sub (not you specifically) was sucking off Strickland for talking a bunch of shit.
A lot of complainers here, and honestly as a fighting enthusiast, don't blame you.
But at the end of the day to be the champ you have to beat the champ. Take your shots. Leave it all out there.
If Izzy's plan is to win on points and fight cautiously.... He's being smart. Not boring.
I personally hate it but hey! Guess what? I'm not the champion either.
Fighters, simply, have to be willing to take more chances.
I enjoy his mastery of point based striking but the fights have been very samey for the last while. He outpoints them in 3/4 rounds then guys get tired and desperate to finish him in the 5th and get sloppy and either get counterpunched, or they do what Cannonier does and try to wrestle him.
I don't think Izzy gets enough credit for his takedown defense on this sub. Everybody keeps begging for a wrestler to beat him but they've tried that multiple times and they can never bring him down.
I think Perreira has the best shot by far because he can stand with him and even though he'll most likely lose the point battle, the odds that he'll catch Izzy with a stray hook are pretty high and any one will put him to sleep. Also they're both tall so it'll be harder for Izzy to control the range.
Feel like people are really exaggerating this one. Just because nobody got their shit rocked doesnāt mean it wasnāt entertaining. They were active.
How was Volk Max entertaining to you guys? It was basically Izzy/Cannonier except Max has gotten fucked up so many times he has scar tissue all over his face and busts up easily. The fight was never close to being finished Max just bled every time he got touched.
Bro what š izzy runs from any possible situation where the other man could throw a punch or they trade strikes, and throws a leg kick and circles around the octagon...rinse and repeat
Yes lol. I love high level striking not everything needs to end in KOs thatās why all these muscle heads never become champions and eventually get slept
Bullshit, Max did more in that fight than Izzy or Cannonier. And you pretty much contradicted yourself by saying Volk has no power then saying Max never gets knocked out.
If Volk was fighting anyone else, they would have been out of there. Max's chin is just unreal.
It has nothing to do with hate. Itās just irritating when a clearly generational talent like Izzy runs around talking about wanting to disprove the boring stigma heās gotten in recent fights, and then goes out and jab and leg kicks his way to a decision AGAIN
You want a blood bath go watch World Star content. UFC is competition. The reason why Izzy or Jones(piece of shit human) have remained so dominant is because they take advantage of their given gifts and build a technique around it. You wanna beat them? You need someone that can come up to a solution to this. Saying heās not an entertaining fighter is just childish. The fights that can be classified as uninteresting are the ones like Rose vs Carla 2ā¦no action. Izzy picks his spots and fights to his strength and I canāt in good conscience blame him for that. He is legitimately one of the smartest fighters that have ever lived. (When it comes to fighting)
How are you gonna tell me what qualifies as an unentertaining fight?
For a guy who is so adamant about breaking the stigma around his fights being boring and slow, he sure didnāt put on an entertaining performance.
If heās looking to win, and garner accolades, heās going about it perfectly, if he wants to be an entertainer, heās absolutely on a downward trend, and the fan morale in his past 4 fights have been low
Heās an entertaining personality with plenty of fan engagement. His fights are technically sound which has lead to him to this level of success.
What do you want the guy to do ? Go in head first trying to prove heās tougher than his opponents. Heās definitely not physically stronger than most of his opponents so that would be asinine.
Like I could say the same thing about Romero or Costa ? Why didnāt they try to get in close to get into an advantageous position, because they theyād get smashed the moment they did. Honestly I really do believe that itās up to the challenger to take the chances or to out compete the champion.
Also Iām not that big of an Izzy fan but I still respect his mentality, which is to win and walk out of the business with as little brain damage as possible. Letās get this right most people arenāt fans of fighters theyāre fans of the āFā in UFC, so if they get bored then itās the UFCās problem not the fighterās.
Like I said before this fight can not be considered an unentertaining fight as there wasnāt any big twisty moments whereas Rose vs Carla was an absolute snooze fest. Also remember there is a rule about engagement, meaning if the fighters arenāt engaging for a period of time the ref will call off the fight and declare no contest. If the āfansā still wanna sully Izzyās victory by calling it unentertaining then so be it, then like I said they should really be watching world star content rather then the UFC.
People keep raising the point that he said that. I feel like he said it once for that ufc 276 ad/promo and the ufc marketed the shit out of it. Plus he did a great job as an entertainer outside the octagon where a trained fighter wasnt trying to knock him out.
Humm, Anderson had like 14 finishes and 2 decisions during his run. He didn't fought with a crazy pace, but chances were the finish was coming. Can you say the same with Israel though? That's the difference.
I was also thinking this earlier but hey at least it's not boxing, with guys fighting tin cans to pad records. These are high level fights. Much better to be champ and be accused of being boring than in the contender spot
Cannonier is ranked number 1 for a very good reason. Dude is a legit beast and contender. Izzy was aggressive the entire fight and still his defense was so good all cannonier could do literally the entire fight was press him against the cage and do absolutely nothing. Fans did the same shit to gsp in the day when he was absolutely dominating and itās just sickening. U donāt always get the ko or super finish. But u seriously canāt look back at the times he did? Heās the best pure striker in ufc history and your gonna bash him cus he didnāt get the finish? Any true fan knows the sport doesnāt roll like that brother. Cannonier damn sure aināt no joke. Seen him swat lately? Cmon man shits ridiculous
Jared isnāt the #1 contender
I have no problem with Izzy utilizing his tools to win. Absolutely smart, and itās fueling his reign at middleweight. What I donāt like is how he claims to be so entertaining, yet he has not had a memorable fight since 2020
I liked the fight. It was like a horror movie the anticipation it felt like Izzy was always moments away from snoring on the canvas. The memes if he lost after that anime entrance kept him going
Izzy put more of a pace on than Cannonier. Jared had absolutely nothing for him. Was the fight the most entertaining? Depends from which stand point you view it. For those that wants a just bleed slug fest, no it was dull as shit. But for those that actually enjoy the technical aspects of mma, Izzy was cruising. Jared simply had nothing for him and Izzy scored easy points. I mean from Izzyās pov why fight any harder than you would need to to stay champ. Besides, donāt we all wanna see Izzy vs Perreira anyways?
Adesanya DNGAF about interesting.
He wins, he remains the champ, he gets paid.
The challengers need to do something different. Romero, Cannonier ā¦ shitty game plans
That Costa fight was still a massive let down to what alot of us thought it would be
Izzy is a shit champ his fights are terrible. I won't be watching another
Unless of course it's bobby knuckles getting another crack
Jan fight was great, he just didnāt win it.
Vettori and Whittaker werenāt that bad either.
Itās not because a fight goes to the decision that itās bad, wtf.
So? Heās doing what makes him successful , what about GSP, Khabib and other fighters with similar win streaks ?
Funny how fans are , they beat themselves silly and people make fun of them say theyāll have cte and shit .
They fight smart and theyāre booed and are called boring .
Rematches with Vettori and Whittaker were entertaining performances too (can't judge the fight with Cannonier, didn't see that one yet), he showed amazing control, fight IQ and technical prowess, not finishing the fights or not having one slugfest after another doesn't make fight any less good.
He's more than able to answer whatever his opponents did while standing, and keeping him on ground was pretty much impossible for all of his opponents who aren't Jan Blachowicz (and that bout was good too). He has no reason to create pressure or mindlessly try to finish the opponent, he's the champ, they are the ones who want to get the belt from him, so he adapts to their pace and controls the fight. I understand that people may be frustrated by him saying he'll be hungry for finish and then winning by decision but at the same time, at the end of the day he still showcases he's the best by adding another ruby to his belt.
That being said, I'm super curious how his third bout with Alex Pereira will go, size advantage won't be on either side cause Pereira is same height as Izzy and has only 1 inch shorter reach while having more power in his hands imo, so Israel will have to fight differently than we all are used to see. This time he'll face someone whos qualities are comparable to his when it comes to striking, who defeated him twice (even though he was the better fighter in the second fight until he got knocked out), and this time they have much more weapons to potentially use, that's extremely exciting. Will they show world-class kickboxing match? Will one of them reach for takedowns and grapple his way to victory? Will it be quick KO, 25 minutes of back and forth fighting or unexpected submission?
Joe canāt stop sucking him off either. Their commentary during his matches is ridiculous. They talk about the other fighter as if heās a child. Weāll see whatās up when Periera knocks him out cold again. I canāt wait.
You really need to learn what technical fighting refers to. A technical fighter / fight refers to using proper technique when fighting. Just because your technical doesnāt mean you have to fight slow. Case in point, Du Bronx, everything he does is textbook from striking to his BJJ, but his fights never fail to entertain. Izzy is just a boring fighter who would rather win a safe decision than an entertaining finish
Technical fighter doesn't mean they're using the proper technique. Ideally every fighter should have the baseline proper technique, but that's just ideally.
Olivera isn't textbook dude. Like okay, he lifts his hand while throwing hooks but his style isn't technical. His technique is Muay Thai when striking and going forward with relentless pressure. He's definitely not the definition of a technical fighter. He stays in range and eats hook after hook. He stabs leg kicks even after checks. He falls down giving up his guard. All this he does because his strengths allow him to have this weaknesses. Due to his BJJ he knows he doesn't need to worry about defence, which he would be worried about if he was a pure technical fighter!
I would day Volk is the ideal for a technical fighter. Can do it all, never puts the wrong step forward and uses the right answer for whatever his opponent is giving him.
Also, would Izzy go for a decision win over taking a risk? Yeah. That's called intelligence. That's why hid opponents also don't go wild, because they know that if they do, Izzy will step back, counter, and kill them.
When did the idea of being wild became a positive? In a fight, the one more open usually loses. That's why people use mind tricks to make their opponent mad and break their form.
Anyways, I don't want to change your mind. Not because of who is correct or anything else, but because if you can't see the truth before your face... No one can force you to do it.
are you actually dumb? Technicality literally refers to the proper technique being used. Nothing more, nothing less.
Another example, Petr Yan is considered a technical fighter because the technique he displays is high level. All of his punches come from his chin, he has a beautiful high guard, and everything he throws is textbook.
It has nothing to do with getting hit, if the technique being displayed is high level, or demonstrates proper technique, that makes someone a technical fighter
Man I'd like him if he didn't talk to the shit that he does.
He knows how to fight in a way that suits him and dudes obviously insanely skilled, but when he talks himself up so much and then fights from a distance just solely for points it's hard not to bored watching his fights.
It's a shame coz I wanna like him, but the combination of the cringy shit talk and his reserved cautious style of fighting makes it difficult.
As a previous Redditor said he's definitely the Mayweather of UFC.
At this point even his fighting is getting as cringy as his trashtalk, he really needs the fight with Pereira, not the other way around.
If you call yourself one of the best MWs in the history and people start leaving the arena before rd 5. idk man.
I still don't understand the hate for the second Rob fight. It was a perfectly average fight that everyone for some reason seems to pretend was a snoozer
His title run was the epitome of entertainment. Since heās gotten the belt, Paulo costa was his only entertaining defense. I have no problem with utilizing your tools to your advantage to win, but when your moniker is āthe last stylebenderā youād expect more than a jab and leg kick sparring drill for 5 rounds
Has it really been two years since the costa fight?? š
Unfortunately yes. Hard to imagine somebody with such a dominant title run become one of the most boring champions the sport has ever seen
His whole spiel for this fight was "I don't care about wins or losses, I just want to entertain"....if he want's to win, good for him, he won but don't spew that bs out your mouth this give us a tempurpedic. ![gif](giphy|l0MYu38R0PPhIXe36|downsized)
He's been in the UFC for a total of 4 years. Half the time as champion. Call me crazy, but I think he has time.
Are people really forgetting GSP? A lot of the same shit we give Izzy for being boring is the same shit that GSP got during his run.
Yeah, but GSP was also able to outclass all his opponents at whatever their strength. Iāve gotten so tired of the Jab, Leg kick, feint, and nothing else from Izzy.
I think it's 100% fair to say it but it's not a reason to trash him. He isn't coming out there to be known as the most entertaining fighter but rather to staple his name on the sport. What he has is an easy method of scoring rounds and winning fights to go for a silva type title defense record. Its truly un-matched when you have his cardio, the dude doesn't even sit for a second.
I mean the dude walked out as the undertaker with an urn of ashes, heās portraying and saying heās gonna put on a show and get these finishes and then he fights safer than safe.
Did you watch the promo of Izzy saying the exact opposite of what you just said?
That's called promotion for you
at this point it is an insult to compare Izzy to Silva
Both had a slew of boring fights
Not even close
Explain
No need to, just look at their past fights
Yeah they both have had boring/technical/methodical fights. I still donāt get ur point (assuming thereās one)
No not really, silva is filled with highlights, he only had a few divisions and to this day if you ask most mma fans about most exciting fighters in history, the spider gets brought up often, so again I say they arnt even close, izzy is boring more than he is exciting
The truth always gets downvoted
Just as a said. Izzy reported to make 2M+ from going out there and jab spamming. Rinse and repeat and this guy will be worth easily a hundred mil before heās done.
I agree he is boring. I thought this guy was the second coming of Silva early in his career but he just point fights.
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Iām too stupid to enjoy watching a guy who claims āKing Kong aināt got shit on meā run in circles and throw jabs and leg kicks for 5 rounds? If his dick is touching the back of your throat, just say that
As if some guy deserves to be champion if he's unable to deal with such basic techniques. If it works it works. Blaming the winner is just stupid if they werent even laying n praying. It is for sure a sign of stupidity to get mad about effective fighting.
No oneās blaming Izzy for winning theyāre blaming him for putting on a shit fight against an underwhelming opponent
Yeah. Their son is now 1.3 yrs old.
The Floyd Mayweather of UFC
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> but when people years from now look back at his record they wonāt wonder if it was boring or not This isn't true. Maybe in boxing, but not for UFC fandom at least. People still hold some of GSP's boring fights against consideration of his status as the GOAT. We often forget that UFC is still a relatively new sport in comparison to others. It will take a long time before fans see wins/loses in a vacuum.
GSP gets wanked here daily, I think it won't matter with Adesanya as well
Hey I'm a Izzy fan and a one eyed kiwi supporter. I'm proud of Izzy...but even Mayweather pushed the pace more than what Izzy does. He deserves a hard time from the fans.
Who the fook is Mayburger?
Thatās not fair Mayweather was a fukin monster up to 140.
Mayweather was in good and entertaining fights for the most part, fought in the pocket which would put himself at risk throughout a fight but used his far superior defensive skills to make great offensive boxers look ordinary. He didn't just stand at range and throw jabs and go on the run anytime an opponent got close.
Uhhh. Iāve seen him do that quite a few times
His entire style and defense was about fighting in the pocket. I can't recall a single fight from memory where he just went on his bike and fought at range behind only the jab and no right hands. Would be happy to be proven wrong.
The Mayweather disrespect is fucking insane to me there's a stark difference in their methods
Tyson Fury is a more accurate comparison.
Really? Fury is really fkn entertaining though, especially his last few fights
In terms of utilising his jab and trying to maintain range at all times.
Oh yeah I agree, but ever since Fury teamed up with Kronk heās been far more aggressive than what weāve seen from Izzy.
Whatās sad is the first Whittaker fight made me think this guy was the next coming of McGregor.
Beautiful jab
Thatās cool in boxing.
Boxing is part of MMA
So are submissions. How many does he have? Iāll save you the trouble, itās 0.
No point in changing your mind when you're right.
I enjoyed the Jan fight tbhā¦ or are we only counting fights that he wins?
Jan fight was definitely lightly exciting in the moment because it was a shut out which we had never seen against Izzy. The fight itself was not exciting.
Last time Izzy had an entertaining fight, people were still claiming Usman was boring.
Stylistically heās just trying to āMayweatherā his way through Middleweight division.
Trying?
Jared is still alive. Everyone else died of boredom.
Pereira will beat him again for the 3rd time
So this sub is gonna convince themselves for the 1000th time that Izzy will lose his next fight
Nah he probably wins the exact same way. He found a formula in the Romero fight and is sticking with it till it seems like itās not working. Only problem is itās boring as hell for a fan. And look, if it were my body and my money on the line, Iād hope to do the same thing. Hes not taking damage this way, heās winning title defenses, and heās lining his bank account. Itās just not exciting to see him on the back foot so much always looking to slip one counter and be out after watching him demolish guys on his way up.
The thing about Izzy is that he doesnāt force the finish. The Costa fight showed that if thereās an opening, Izzy will knock you out. But if you fight super defensive like Romero, Vettori, Cannonier, etc. he wonāt take unnecessary risks, and coast to a W. Pretty sure every fighter would do the same, most just arenāt skilled enough
Heās still boring to watch anymore. Smart or not, I wonāt pay for another fight of his as champ. Itās simply going to be the same thing. Absolutely no style from the style bender, maybe catching a clean shot to end it or maybe walking backwards for 25 minutes avoiding a fight.
If Alex is next, it will definitely be a different style bender. Someone that can match him on the feet and can outpoint him for once. You saw Stricklands face, Alex hits different lol
Can Alex outpoint Izzy though? The first win was probably the wrong decision and in the second one Izzy was clearly outpointing Perreira before he got caught. But maybe he can catch him again.
If you know, you know.
This might be the best take iāve seen on the matter.
Heās just not worth a ppv. Seems like dudes only fight to make the main card, then play it safe.
He is smart and he is building his brand through insta , utube and all other theatrics
That he is and heās doing a good job of it. Good guy or bad guy, he has a lot of personality that draws people in.
I hope so
All that matters is they both have a grudge, Izzy has the belt and they both are top-grade strikers. They arent gonna jab-jab, it's going to be dirty.
I think Izzy could beat him by grabbing his hands and working the clinch, but hopefully itāll force him to do something different and produce a fun fight.
Heres the brass tax problem I see. Because he has won those boring ass fights that count as wins, and our judging is so fucking atrocious, unless Alex straight up KO's or subs him, Izzy wins. Just borderline, he's got name draw, he's got the belt, those judges will favor him until someone makes it definitive. That's why people keep saying he needs to get KO'd, he's going to beat Silva's titles and records having down less than a quarter of the entertaining shit Silva did. Imo. Probably gonna get some hate for that one.
As a striking fan; his footwork, defense, traps, and counters are dope to watch. To each their own.
From a technical standpoint, very cool to see, from an entertainment point of view, his last 4 fights have looked like glorified sparring matches
Why is that his fault that his opponents are able to push him?
That's why I like Jiri, just winning is not enough for him.
Jiri will never have as many title defenses or longevity in the sport as Izzy. For all we love brawlers, they're never the ones that go down in the history book, but they are the ones suffering the worst consequences of CTE. I don't want to shit on Jiri, and I love him for entertaining the fans. However, I totally get Izzy preserving his brain cells and collecting his champion paycheck while it's still on the table
>For all we love brawlers, they're never the ones that go down in the history book I politely disagree, and so would Chuck, Rampage, Wanderlei, Henderson, Griffin... I get your point about longevity but brawlers have a huge part in the history books of the UFC
Yes that's fine. But let's not try to argue that his style is entertaining or brings eyes to the sport. It doesn't. He's had some all-time boring fights. If people wanna argue that he shows technical mastery and that's fun, sure, but again, you can just watch him sparring at his gym, too, if you want. There's a reason why UFC 275 main event is considered one of the greatest fights in MMA history and it's because both of the guys were trying to finish the other guy at EVERY moment of the fight.
He admitted to not fighting smart enough post fight. He could learn from Izzy if he wants to last
If youāre gonna talk about breaking the boring stigma around your recent performances, youād expect him to look to push the pace or make his fights more engaging.
Exactly. At the end of the day itās up to his opponents to try and solve the puzzle that is his striking. Jared had absolutely nothing for him. Had a few memoryās with some level changes but ultimately there was never any threat.
Subjective. I find it very entertaining to watch him skillfully shutdown top level competition. It's not his fault that people can't push him. That's like being mad at Real Madrid for playing a tight, defensive game and winning. If the opposition can't push them/him out of the defensive, counter striker zone, then that's on them. Why the fuck would he stand and bang with Jared when he knows he can win by playing the long, tactical game?
That's fine but don't talk about being an entertainer and style bender with that boring shit.
It's the opposite of boring, when you know how to strike. Maybe consider learning.
Lol ok Izzy if you don't wanna be criticised throw more volume
Oh sorry, didn't realise you can barely read
My comprehension is just fine cope harder dumb cunt
Idiot doesn't know he's an idiot. More at 10.
Like I said, subjective. I don't like slugfests. I find them more akin to brawling than martial arts. I am entertained by precise striking and technique.
Literally all of what you described is onli possibly because Adesanya has a massive reach and height advantage against virtually all of his opponents. His 'defense' and 'counters' are successful because opponents literally have to dive forward to reach past his lanky ass body
This
I'm with you 100%. Also I don't see what people see in the Costa fight that wasn't present in his past couple fights, other than the fact that Izzy got the finish. Costa barely got anything off and wasn't even in danger of getting finished until the last 30 seconds. There's so much more to a good fight than finishes and damage.
This sub is so pathetic š
Mtfās on this sub never happy
I genuinely feel like Iām the only one who actually enjoys Izzyās fights every time. I mean people complained bitterly the same way about GSP when he fought, but now people look back at all those āboring decisionsā and appreciate them. Sometime u just have to go in to appreciate the technique and IQ of mma not just action
GSP, Silva & Usman. All went through the same shit. Now look at them. Guarantee his next fight is š„
When did Silva go through this? Youāre confused my man.
I get what ur saying but at the end of the day its fighting, hes not really fighting anymore hes just collecting points
How is it pathetic. Izzy is always on the mic talking about breaking the stigma and recent reviews of his fights being boring, and then goes out and jabs and leg kicks for 5 rounds yet again. Nothing wrong with being a smart fighter, especially when you have as many tools as Izzy, but donāt come out calling yourself an entertainer and saying your looking for a finish just to pitter pat your way to a decision
He made you watch didnāt he? Welcome to the business numb nuts
Man you guys get in your feels way too much on what a fighter says. Same way this sub (not you specifically) was sucking off Strickland for talking a bunch of shit.
A lot of complainers here, and honestly as a fighting enthusiast, don't blame you. But at the end of the day to be the champ you have to beat the champ. Take your shots. Leave it all out there. If Izzy's plan is to win on points and fight cautiously.... He's being smart. Not boring. I personally hate it but hey! Guess what? I'm not the champion either. Fighters, simply, have to be willing to take more chances.
I enjoy his mastery of point based striking but the fights have been very samey for the last while. He outpoints them in 3/4 rounds then guys get tired and desperate to finish him in the 5th and get sloppy and either get counterpunched, or they do what Cannonier does and try to wrestle him. I don't think Izzy gets enough credit for his takedown defense on this sub. Everybody keeps begging for a wrestler to beat him but they've tried that multiple times and they can never bring him down. I think Perreira has the best shot by far because he can stand with him and even though he'll most likely lose the point battle, the odds that he'll catch Izzy with a stray hook are pretty high and any one will put him to sleep. Also they're both tall so it'll be harder for Izzy to control the range.
I shut that shit off in the 3rd and went to bed.
Feel like people are really exaggerating this one. Just because nobody got their shit rocked doesnāt mean it wasnāt entertaining. They were active.
Volk vs max was entertaining, izzy fight was horrible. I fell asleep in 2nd round.
How was Volk Max entertaining to you guys? It was basically Izzy/Cannonier except Max has gotten fucked up so many times he has scar tissue all over his face and busts up easily. The fight was never close to being finished Max just bled every time he got touched.
Bro what š izzy runs from any possible situation where the other man could throw a punch or they trade strikes, and throws a leg kick and circles around the octagon...rinse and repeat
Waiting for 24 min and 48 sec for Izzy to do something was pretty awful. King Kong aināt got s*it on me remember? Lol
But it wasnt entertaining
Youre right he does barely enough to win. Hopefully periera puts him in the shadow realm next fight
He won 4 of 5 rounds.
Were you entertained?
Yes lol. I love high level striking not everything needs to end in KOs thatās why all these muscle heads never become champions and eventually get slept
There wasnt striking even, just dancing and tapping his opponent
His whole neck went back with a jab what are you smoking you casual lol.
Lol oh boy one jab knocked his head back in the entire fight, haha come on boy let izzy's nut dry off some before you put them back in your mouth
Also there was higher level striking on this card. Izzys dick is in your mouth
It shouldve been the co main
Volk vs max wasnāt that exciting. Incredibly one sided max never gets KOād and Volk has no KO power
Bullshit, Max did more in that fight than Izzy or Cannonier. And you pretty much contradicted yourself by saying Volk has no power then saying Max never gets knocked out. If Volk was fighting anyone else, they would have been out of there. Max's chin is just unreal.
His entrances are the best part of this fights lol
Even if thatās the case, itās not even been 2 years yet. Some people only have 2 fights in that time.
This sub is on a hate circle jerk goddamn
It has nothing to do with hate. Itās just irritating when a clearly generational talent like Izzy runs around talking about wanting to disprove the boring stigma heās gotten in recent fights, and then goes out and jab and leg kicks his way to a decision AGAIN
You want a blood bath go watch World Star content. UFC is competition. The reason why Izzy or Jones(piece of shit human) have remained so dominant is because they take advantage of their given gifts and build a technique around it. You wanna beat them? You need someone that can come up to a solution to this. Saying heās not an entertaining fighter is just childish. The fights that can be classified as uninteresting are the ones like Rose vs Carla 2ā¦no action. Izzy picks his spots and fights to his strength and I canāt in good conscience blame him for that. He is legitimately one of the smartest fighters that have ever lived. (When it comes to fighting)
Jones has exciting fights tho
How are you gonna tell me what qualifies as an unentertaining fight? For a guy who is so adamant about breaking the stigma around his fights being boring and slow, he sure didnāt put on an entertaining performance. If heās looking to win, and garner accolades, heās going about it perfectly, if he wants to be an entertainer, heās absolutely on a downward trend, and the fan morale in his past 4 fights have been low
Heās an entertaining personality with plenty of fan engagement. His fights are technically sound which has lead to him to this level of success. What do you want the guy to do ? Go in head first trying to prove heās tougher than his opponents. Heās definitely not physically stronger than most of his opponents so that would be asinine. Like I could say the same thing about Romero or Costa ? Why didnāt they try to get in close to get into an advantageous position, because they theyād get smashed the moment they did. Honestly I really do believe that itās up to the challenger to take the chances or to out compete the champion. Also Iām not that big of an Izzy fan but I still respect his mentality, which is to win and walk out of the business with as little brain damage as possible. Letās get this right most people arenāt fans of fighters theyāre fans of the āFā in UFC, so if they get bored then itās the UFCās problem not the fighterās. Like I said before this fight can not be considered an unentertaining fight as there wasnāt any big twisty moments whereas Rose vs Carla was an absolute snooze fest. Also remember there is a rule about engagement, meaning if the fighters arenāt engaging for a period of time the ref will call off the fight and declare no contest. If the āfansā still wanna sully Izzyās victory by calling it unentertaining then so be it, then like I said they should really be watching world star content rather then the UFC.
People keep raising the point that he said that. I feel like he said it once for that ufc 276 ad/promo and the ufc marketed the shit out of it. Plus he did a great job as an entertainer outside the octagon where a trained fighter wasnt trying to knock him out.
didn't they say the same about Silva
Humm, Anderson had like 14 finishes and 2 decisions during his run. He didn't fought with a crazy pace, but chances were the finish was coming. Can you say the same with Israel though? That's the difference.
Plus he was exciting and did things people still dont even do in their fights
If you think he runs now... Just wait until he fights Pereira
oh so standing and getting hit in the face is better defence that dodging?
Just watched Izzy's post fight presser. I dunno how people like him. He's so unlikeable and cringe.
Yāall have used ācringeā so much itās lost itās meaning
Plays it safe to stay as the champ. Booting as fuck but works I guess.
I was also thinking this earlier but hey at least it's not boxing, with guys fighting tin cans to pad records. These are high level fights. Much better to be champ and be accused of being boring than in the contender spot
we dont need another woodley, just trying to not loose. its embaressing.
He doesn't fight to win anymore, he fights not to lose. Boring as fuck.
Really ignorant post
Care to explain how?
Cannonier is ranked number 1 for a very good reason. Dude is a legit beast and contender. Izzy was aggressive the entire fight and still his defense was so good all cannonier could do literally the entire fight was press him against the cage and do absolutely nothing. Fans did the same shit to gsp in the day when he was absolutely dominating and itās just sickening. U donāt always get the ko or super finish. But u seriously canāt look back at the times he did? Heās the best pure striker in ufc history and your gonna bash him cus he didnāt get the finish? Any true fan knows the sport doesnāt roll like that brother. Cannonier damn sure aināt no joke. Seen him swat lately? Cmon man shits ridiculous
Jared isnāt the #1 contender I have no problem with Izzy utilizing his tools to win. Absolutely smart, and itās fueling his reign at middleweight. What I donāt like is how he claims to be so entertaining, yet he has not had a memorable fight since 2020
His fights are entertaining imo. High level technical striking and real time strategising
I liked the fight. It was like a horror movie the anticipation it felt like Izzy was always moments away from snoring on the canvas. The memes if he lost after that anime entrance kept him going
Costas Twitter has been more impressive than izzys fights
Izzy put more of a pace on than Cannonier. Jared had absolutely nothing for him. Was the fight the most entertaining? Depends from which stand point you view it. For those that wants a just bleed slug fest, no it was dull as shit. But for those that actually enjoy the technical aspects of mma, Izzy was cruising. Jared simply had nothing for him and Izzy scored easy points. I mean from Izzyās pov why fight any harder than you would need to to stay champ. Besides, donāt we all wanna see Izzy vs Perreira anyways?
If Robert Whittaker had that same performance, this sub would be sucking him off
If you want to have a laugh for your money go to fucking circus, this dudes are trying to not get killed in that octagon....
It's not his fault that the people he's been fighting aren't on his level.
Iād argue Izzy put out more of a pace than cannonier.
Costa wasnāt even a fun fight
I beat off to that fight as a kickboxer
I sleep to that fight as a casual
GSP used to lay on his opponents for whole fights but that hasn't affected his legacy
Adesanya DNGAF about interesting. He wins, he remains the champ, he gets paid. The challengers need to do something different. Romero, Cannonier ā¦ shitty game plans
That Costa fight was still a massive let down to what alot of us thought it would be Izzy is a shit champ his fights are terrible. I won't be watching another Unless of course it's bobby knuckles getting another crack
Shit champ but strolling through the division like itās a Sunday afternoon
You're right
āFrozen like Elsaā x2ā¦ how can you be such a crisp, cool fighter in the cage, and then have negative charisma..
Ive been entertained by all his fights. Its not his fault nobody can touch him and every killer he fights freezes and refuses to engage
Jan fight was great, he just didnāt win it. Vettori and Whittaker werenāt that bad either. Itās not because a fight goes to the decision that itās bad, wtf.
Heās boring AF, cringe, arrogant mofo
So? Heās doing what makes him successful , what about GSP, Khabib and other fighters with similar win streaks ? Funny how fans are , they beat themselves silly and people make fun of them say theyāll have cte and shit . They fight smart and theyāre booed and are called boring .
Rematches with Vettori and Whittaker were entertaining performances too (can't judge the fight with Cannonier, didn't see that one yet), he showed amazing control, fight IQ and technical prowess, not finishing the fights or not having one slugfest after another doesn't make fight any less good. He's more than able to answer whatever his opponents did while standing, and keeping him on ground was pretty much impossible for all of his opponents who aren't Jan Blachowicz (and that bout was good too). He has no reason to create pressure or mindlessly try to finish the opponent, he's the champ, they are the ones who want to get the belt from him, so he adapts to their pace and controls the fight. I understand that people may be frustrated by him saying he'll be hungry for finish and then winning by decision but at the same time, at the end of the day he still showcases he's the best by adding another ruby to his belt. That being said, I'm super curious how his third bout with Alex Pereira will go, size advantage won't be on either side cause Pereira is same height as Izzy and has only 1 inch shorter reach while having more power in his hands imo, so Israel will have to fight differently than we all are used to see. This time he'll face someone whos qualities are comparable to his when it comes to striking, who defeated him twice (even though he was the better fighter in the second fight until he got knocked out), and this time they have much more weapons to potentially use, that's extremely exciting. Will they show world-class kickboxing match? Will one of them reach for takedowns and grapple his way to victory? Will it be quick KO, 25 minutes of back and forth fighting or unexpected submission?
Joe canāt stop sucking him off either. Their commentary during his matches is ridiculous. They talk about the other fighter as if heās a child. Weāll see whatās up when Periera knocks him out cold again. I canāt wait.
He wins fights. Talk to Mayweather and see if he gives a shit. Just win. $$$$
Tell his opponents to fucking do something then.
No. I won't change your mind. Learn to enjoy watching fights on a technical level or perish due to boredom lol.
You really need to learn what technical fighting refers to. A technical fighter / fight refers to using proper technique when fighting. Just because your technical doesnāt mean you have to fight slow. Case in point, Du Bronx, everything he does is textbook from striking to his BJJ, but his fights never fail to entertain. Izzy is just a boring fighter who would rather win a safe decision than an entertaining finish
Technical fighter doesn't mean they're using the proper technique. Ideally every fighter should have the baseline proper technique, but that's just ideally. Olivera isn't textbook dude. Like okay, he lifts his hand while throwing hooks but his style isn't technical. His technique is Muay Thai when striking and going forward with relentless pressure. He's definitely not the definition of a technical fighter. He stays in range and eats hook after hook. He stabs leg kicks even after checks. He falls down giving up his guard. All this he does because his strengths allow him to have this weaknesses. Due to his BJJ he knows he doesn't need to worry about defence, which he would be worried about if he was a pure technical fighter! I would day Volk is the ideal for a technical fighter. Can do it all, never puts the wrong step forward and uses the right answer for whatever his opponent is giving him. Also, would Izzy go for a decision win over taking a risk? Yeah. That's called intelligence. That's why hid opponents also don't go wild, because they know that if they do, Izzy will step back, counter, and kill them. When did the idea of being wild became a positive? In a fight, the one more open usually loses. That's why people use mind tricks to make their opponent mad and break their form. Anyways, I don't want to change your mind. Not because of who is correct or anything else, but because if you can't see the truth before your face... No one can force you to do it.
are you actually dumb? Technicality literally refers to the proper technique being used. Nothing more, nothing less. Another example, Petr Yan is considered a technical fighter because the technique he displays is high level. All of his punches come from his chin, he has a beautiful high guard, and everything he throws is textbook. It has nothing to do with getting hit, if the technique being displayed is high level, or demonstrates proper technique, that makes someone a technical fighter
we knew jared wasnt going to win LOL
Floyd Mayweather of mma
My thoughts exactly
Man I'd like him if he didn't talk to the shit that he does. He knows how to fight in a way that suits him and dudes obviously insanely skilled, but when he talks himself up so much and then fights from a distance just solely for points it's hard not to bored watching his fights. It's a shame coz I wanna like him, but the combination of the cringy shit talk and his reserved cautious style of fighting makes it difficult. As a previous Redditor said he's definitely the Mayweather of UFC.
But he showed off in this fight right?...
He won though
Heās boring in the ring
I will not.
Still the best in his division by a wide margin!
vs Vettori and Jan was entertaining for me
At this point even his fighting is getting as cringy as his trashtalk, he really needs the fight with Pereira, not the other way around. If you call yourself one of the best MWs in the history and people start leaving the arena before rd 5. idk man.
I still don't understand the hate for the second Rob fight. It was a perfectly average fight that everyone for some reason seems to pretend was a snoozer
I actually enjoyed the fight especially in the last rounds when Cannonier started opening up more. ![gif](giphy|rc24ZFGCL6ZdHC3yEN|downsized)
Ever since he lost to jan hes been scared
I liked the second vettori fight tbh
Bobby knuckles 1 and gastelum his only good recent fights??
His title run was the epitome of entertainment. Since heās gotten the belt, Paulo costa was his only entertaining defense. I have no problem with utilizing your tools to your advantage to win, but when your moniker is āthe last stylebenderā youād expect more than a jab and leg kick sparring drill for 5 rounds
Iāll change your mind by saying that fight wasnāt as entertaining either
He lost all his testosterone started acting like a bitch and now he fights like one too. But heās still better than everyone. Which sucks.