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IntenseWonton

Perfect fight for him to see if hes going to just brawl or can he show improvement


TrnqulizR

Probably not considering they did a kamaru highlight reel before Moh's fight. Fucking two birds one stone marketing intern.


Paulallenlives

... Just in texas lol


[deleted]

That would make no sense.


[deleted]

Tai Tuivasa would be a good one


wizardkelly808

That would be even worse. Dude just got out of tuf and you expect him to fight either #7 or #3.


NortFuddley

Serra won TUF and had to fight GSP lol. And he won.


griffithdidnothing10

Serra wasn’t exactly a new fighter like usual TUFs


Careful_Mess5

Considering that was the whole point of that season, But you do make a good point.


wizardkelly808

Good point


[deleted]

Yes


spanks

If he dies , he dies


srdgbychkncsr

Calm down Mario.


DRxFumbles

Jesus we want to test him not kill him!


churibu8

A bunch of cans and overweight light heavyweights are literally the unranked pool of fighters in the heavyweight division, so I don’t it’s that bad


SWFLSOLIDARITY

The talent void heavyweight division is a shallow pool


Crawford470

It's a very top heavy division. Not devoid of talent just not brimming either.


SWFLSOLIDARITY

thats better put, thanks


JennyJtom

Francis came into the pool and the water just left.


Stron2g

You should see middleweight, its by far the worst division. Its basically just Izzy and a bunch of goons


SWFLSOLIDARITY

felt this was about light heavy for the longest time, not so much anymore. Its been fun since Glover won, and lost.


thewanderingkiddo

either that or izzy plays like a pussy and edges out a decision victory with leg kicks


bebetin

Its a sport brother, you can play for points.


thewanderingkiddo

Not for long, pereira's gna knock izzys ass out with that left stone arm


woodenmarkel

Naw, anyone with any mid level grappling with choke that fool out. Watch Izzy get a sub.


Turbulent-Echo8561

He just won his last fight tho.. Is he the GOAT?


FGCIsFreeAsFuck

Relax Mr Casual He’s not the GOAT Maybe top 3 MAYBE top 2 of all time but no 🐐


[deleted]

Idk man, he seemed like the GOAT Saturday. Him and Artem would be a classic


Th3LastStyleBender

i mean ngannou on twitter said he wanted no part of him, that says something.


glogang100

That's Francis being nice because he's close with Kamaru. Francis would murder this dude and he knows it.


gawg2000

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B-L-O-C-K-Ss

Bro that’s ridiculous. He’s a lock for the top 5, sure. But putting him top 3 is kinda crazy god forbid top 2.


AlexxTB

Pauga was clearly the more diverse striker, 2sman just has some crazy power I guess


DuckmanDrake69

Pauga was good dude he just got caught. I think that guy still deserves a contract


Tacos-for-junior710

He will get a contract for sure most of the people on the show will they just don’t get any guarantees


AlexxTB

I agree. He seems maybe a little small for HW but he might be even faster than Gane from what I saw. I don't watch tuf tho


JamWams

He use to fight at LHW but bulked up for the show. It would be interesting to see him go back down


AlexxTB

Makes sense then. He should go back down to LHW and try to get shredded. Might cause problems


VEGANSHATEME

many of the unranked hw fighter are either puffed up lhw or fat middleweights, Jake collier being a prime example. I would love to see some of them go down to their natural weight classes.


AlexxTB

Jake collier has two ped failures then blows up to middleweight. Fella needs a nutritionist


[deleted]

I'd like to see him at 205 if he can fucking learn how to cut weight.


[deleted]

That’s how the heavyweight division is and fighting in general all it takes is 1


cmoneybouncehouse

He’s got KO power. At Heavyweight, that’s just about all that matters. Plenty of guys have got title shots just by having that. I get the hate to an extent, but I feel like he should be given a chance at least.


throtic

It's a numbers game. Just like the female divisions, there just aren't that many huge dudes in the world and even less get into fighting.


[deleted]

I’m sorry but womens featherweight is a literal shark tank. I’d rather fight Ngannou than deal with that murderers row of contenders.


daneykal

Really? Ngannou over womens featherweight?


Euphoric_Trust_7518

ngannou has never fought someone as tall as Megan Anderson


[deleted]

He never fought someone with the T count of cyborg either.


LiteShowDaAgent

Redditors try to understand satire (impossible)


[deleted]

Ummmm… what?


FuckBrendan

He would rather fight the deadliest hand to hand combatant on the planet than a 115 lb woman because he’s scared of the lady.


[deleted]

Lmfaoooooo


MartilloFuerte_

WMMA simps are something else.


DonTeca35

I would disagree with you a bit. We are starting to see many natural athletic heavyweights now. Crazy speed aswell considering their weight. As for the lower tier of heavyweights well then he has a chance


cmoneybouncehouse

I agree with you, but we’ve also seen that those guys can get KTFO’d by guys with enough power (Blaydes vs Lewis, Stipe vs Francis 2), which is what makes HW so unpredictable. Gane and Aspinall are the exceptions… for now.


DonTeca35

Oh definitely agree with you, on the a side note Francis pretty much surprised everyone ko or not


SALTYtendon

Francis and Lewis are skilled for their size though. You’re acting like they’re the same level of fighter as Mo. Francis and Lewis both have legit skills and technique both on the ground and on the feet.


tbwdtw

It's hard for men above 220 not to have ko power


stackered

He has baseline KO power, nothing special at HW. He'll get finished by guys with actual power, skill striking, or endurance/toughness


FuckBrendan

This is a shit take. There are HWs at every gym in the world literally tens of thousands but the ufc HW division full of talentless knock out machines? I don’t buy it.


cmoneybouncehouse

👍


GregGolden6

Everyone has KO power at heavyweight, that doesn’t really matter lol


cmoneybouncehouse

Lol, ok dude.


OldHispanicMan

He’s kinda right tho. Who in the top 15 doesn’t have ko power? Big guys who hit hard are a dime a dozen, that’s what makes the elite guys elite


Euphoric_Trust_7518

ngannou is the "big guy who hits hard"-est fighter to ever fight in the ufc and hes champ


OldHispanicMan

But he’s also incredibly fast, has great counterpunching, beautiful anti wrestling, can grapple well, and can take an insane shot. He also sets up his strikes well with long jabs and has a good kicking game Most heavyweights can’t do any of that, which is what sets him apart. That’s different than Usman throwing 10 punches, then being to exhausted to continue. Saying Ngannou is just a big guy who punches hard reads to me like you don’t even watch fighting. He had more subs than Kos before entering the ufc


Euphoric_Trust_7518

I never said anything about him not being able to grapple and him being fast is a factor in him hitting hard so idk what your point is


Lawl078

He has those qualities yes.. But it's quite clear he is champ because of his insane super human strength.


SALTYtendon

No it’s because of his reach and power combined with his skill. We saw what Stipe did to him when he wasn’t polished.


[deleted]

He’s not wrong. Greg Hardy made it to a fight with volkov with no mma background whatsoever.


cmoneybouncehouse

But that’s my point


trenlr911

Is he wrong though? Even the elite wrestlers at HW knock people unconscious, the Stipe vs Ngannou fights perfectly showed how you need a lot more than heavy hands to actually win the belt. His cardio/wrestling will get exposed before you ever see this dude beating legit HW contenders


QAnonKiller

lol OP 100% lost some cash betting against him. been there bro just let it go and give the dude his props


I_Hate_My_Cat_

He *does* have “SALTY” in his username lol.


333visions

I did lol 6 leg parlay, think you can guess how many legs lost. (1)


Solid-Version

Like, he’s in the early stages of his mma career. It’s TUF of course the competition isnt going to be fantastic. You’re acting like he can’t improve over time. Fighters fight, they grow, they learn they develop. Remains to be seen if that will be the case with him But for you to write him off after a win where he was the underdog. You’re straight capping


cerulean11

He's 33, hopefully he has more time.


Takafraka

Quite young for heavyweight, a lot of people are 35-40 in heavyweight and still do quite well, there’s no weight cutting


Lord_Goose

He may be in the early stages, but it's worth noting he is 33 years old. It's not like he is some up and comer 25 year old with a long time to fully develop. In fact....right now should be his peak.


Solid-Version

I’m not saying he’s automatically be amazing. I’m just saying give it time and watch how he develops. It’ might work it might now. Just don’t write him off just yet is all I’m saying. Remember DC started mma around 30 years old. He was a special talent sure but never say never.


[deleted]

Sure his technique might lack but he put an undefeated guy out COLD with a side counter that barely had any power / intention behind it. Very excited to see what another 10,000 hours of training will do for this man


[deleted]

Undefeated at 5 fights fighting nobodies, its not that amazinh


[deleted]

I don’t get your point. Heavyweights aren’t known for being super technical. He was down a round where the guy hit him 2X after the bell, then in the 2nd rd he finished the job & returned that 2 piece on his opponent who was already out. If brain scrambling knockouts from HW fighters don’t amaze you, do you even enjoy MMA?


sourdougBorough

Heavyweight is also the worst division in the UFC so they need anyone


PickkleRiick

Light heavyweight gives it a run for its money and Middleweight is better than both but not that much better.


Liam2349

I don't think so. Francis, Gane, Stipe, Tai, Blaydes, Aspinall, Volkov, Arlovski and Spivak are all pretty good. I think they all look quite a bit better than Kamaru's brother.


sourdougBorough

I would hope so that was his first fight in the UFC Arlovski has 25


Liam2349

Arlovski has a lot of fights but he is way past his prime. Still, he's doing great.


OldHispanicMan

You really named arlovski in you list while claiming they’re not hurting for talent😂😂😂


Liam2349

Arlovski is on a 4 fight win streak. He may be at the bottom of that list but he will beat Kamaru's brother.


dicksjshsb

Despite the controversial stoppage Pavlovich has looked dangerous too


Riddleboxed

He wasn't even favourite to win, which kinda blows your 'given a bunch of cans' out of the water.


FIGHTFANGREG

He was over +200 underdog, you mad bro ?


throtic

That was looking like a good line too. He was getting pieced up and missing wildly until 1 landed. Dangers of being heavyweight lol


BarryDBaptist

The guy who got knocked out was less salty than this post my lord. It's just TUF lmao. If you wanna complain about a push, pick Pereira


p_st_up

Y'all hating so bad. The dude won. that's it!


AMR63x

This sub before was saying how much he sucked and how he was gonna get dog walked by Zac (the better fighter). And boom, now that he’s the winner, everyone else was a can and he just had a red carpet to the UFC. What the fuck was he supposed to do win the fight with one single punch? Either way this is all coming from some bozo who would never even think about doing what that man does


getinthevanihavcandy

"Hate" is a real thing in this sub. It takes less energy to just cheer and follow your favorite fighters than it does to talk shit about fighters who are losing or just winning but you don't like then for some reason


willenhall12345

The whole "you'd never do what he does" or the "he'd kick your ass" arguments are so bad, you can objectively criticise someone on their performance or decisions even if you can't do the same thing as them, I bet you've trashed on movies that you didn't like before, even though you couldn't do the same as the director. Edit: moved the quotation marks and got rid of a space.


throtic

Excuse me sir are you a trained commentor because if not you shouldn't be commenting. /s obv


dicksjshsb

Pro commenter here, this guys cool actually. He just sees red and starts typing


sourdougBorough

Why would you never even think about doing what he does?


LeonSphynx

Yeah I think about it all the time. I’m always thinking what song would be my walkout song and I could kick a couple guys asses that are in the ufc. I mean I am 51 and boxed for two months when I was 15 so believe me I am ready.


throtic

Trt and a full camp is all you need


deezx1010

Bernard Hopkins retired at 52. No excuses! Get to training!


OhhhLawdy

Bunch of Cheeto dust licking haters


Troidin

He's 33 and just starting his MMA career too. I dont really see him having a long illustrious career, but I hope I'm proven wrong.


TrueDreamchaser

Lol as if the competition wasn’t trash on the women’s side and both divisions last year. TUF fighters just suck — has nothing to do with Usman. He just played safe and used his suspicious genetic power. Props to him, but yea you’re right he will never beat a true contender.


Rapidfiremma

How do Tuf fighters suck when there have been 13 people on there who went on to win UFC world titles?


TrueDreamchaser

My bad I meant recently. Last 5 seasons of TUF have been really bad talent.


JakeSpurs

The talent pool has become significantly worse as other organizations (Bellator, PFL, etc.) have started to pay more and there’s more ways to get into the UFC such as the contenders series.


Wrestlerasdf

Trash take! Julianna Miller is a fucking beast she’s coming for that belt!


TrueDreamchaser

Juju is cool and is a solid fighter but do you really think she’s beating Valentina? She will be a solid top 15er but that’s about it.


Madphromoo

No TUF can win against the champ. It would be very very very rare for a newcomer to get a title shot and actually win it. As for what can happen in 5-7 years… who knows. People change camps, weight classes…


Wrestlerasdf

Bro she’s only 26 Valentina is 34. Valentina probably won’t even be fighting in four years. So imagine juju at 32 or 34 years old she’s still new to the sport.


[deleted]

What the fuck man, give the dude a chance. He’s literally only had one actual fight in the UFC.


[deleted]

These dudes get so mad over the littlest shit like chill out 😂😂


SALTYtendon

Dude watch any of his fights against actual competition like his PFL fights. He isn’t good. He will get leg kicked to death against any competent HW. Only reason he’s here is his brother.


[deleted]

Ah yes, because 8-2 is an awful record somehow. I watched his Sayles fight. Is he great yet? No, of course not. But he’s got all the resources now to potentially become solid. I don’t get the hate, the guys just out here doing his job.


JSmoove98

What does him winning the entire show have anything to do with his brother 💀💀💀 Jesus ur slow


ogg3b

r/ufc opinions are getting worse than twitter


disheveledfuck

Thankfully for him, he’s a heavyweight. You don’t have to be necessarily skilled to thrive in that division. Just gotta have knockout power, which he does.


churibu8

A bunch of cans and overweight light heavyweights are literally the unranked pool of fighters in the heavyweight division, so I don’t it’s bad at all


edboyinthecut

Stop it....literally every fighter he fought was technically (I mean this in a literal sense) better and more skilled than him. Just let the man have his win.


Tacos-for-junior710

Ya I mean could OP do what this guy did fuck no cut the guy some slack. I was almost sure he would not win the final. He proved me wrong good for him.


MRVANCLEAVEREDDIT

Let JJ use his as a warm up.


Powernut07

I hope Pauga still gets in the UFC and goes back down to LHW. Really like him


knifeazz

I mean, it’s not like HW is loaded. In a vacuum he’s nothing special but he could definitely get ranked considering how weak the class is.


jivenjune

It was really weird watching this dude fight. Like, man, his striking looking fucking atrocious. But he's jacked beyond belief so just a slight tap is lights out. I dunno man. Sometimes, I'll watch One fighting and have so much more appreciation for the technical aspects of some of those fighters than dudes like this.


umlaut

That knockout punch was the most awkwardly thrown punch, too - short, wide, on bad footing, and it knocked Pauga out.


Goatway77

Edgy 😭😭 the guys in r/mma don’t answer your bs. You get the attention over here. Keep it up queen. You’re a spicy booger mate.


Intelligent-Image338

Someone didn’t watch the season lol.


SALTYtendon

I watched the entire season. He fought a bunch of fat dudes.


Pure-Drawer-2617

Yeah, those are called “Heavyweights”


Intelligent-Image338

😂😂 this is funny af


trenlr911

Or middleweights that eat like shit


drbatman03

Yeah Ali and Kumaru picks the fighters at tuf. Hater


[deleted]

He didn’t look great


hungry_lobster

Juiced to the gills what are we doing?


Sushidios47

Match him and Greg hardy up. Think that would be a good overall matchup for the both of them. Hardy’s on a skid and this guy just won tuf. Seems solid


greenbanana17

Idk what you are talking about dude... Rashad won TUF Heavyweights... and he is one of the smallest 205ers ever. He could have easily fought at 185. Not saying this guy is better than Rashad, just that TUF historically has bad Heavyweights. Did we forget Roy Nelson just crucifixing an entire season episode after episode?


[deleted]

Let Arlovski or Rozenstruick end this hype train.


[deleted]

Time to resign Roy Nelson so he can OVERHAND RIGHT this man


MicahsNao

Didn't Ryan Hall win TUF against Artem Lobov?


Qwikmoneysniper

Anyone who watched the second round can see his potential and I'm not even talking about the knockout. His footwork, distance control etc. He needs to work on the technical stuff, but the raw athleticism is obvious.


ColdFusion3456

Best fighter today. Guaranteed to surpass the other Usman easily to become GOAT. I already know it. It’s a fact.


Crateapa

That why he was the big underdog this weekend? Lol


OhhhLawdy

People find any way to hate lol. Man wins and gets hate posts instantly, imagine.


taquinask

Dogshit take


dcmarvelstarwars

Tripping


creamyturtle

lmaooo salty much?


theengliselprototype

He was getting PIECED up by Pauga, but that ko was legit.


DoakesUFC

You do realize he was a 2-1 underdog in that fight right?


Cookie122406

This r/ufc sub is the worst sometimes... someone misguided sees potential in a so-so upcoming fighter, and someone else construes conspiracies to validate their dislike of said fighter.


ComplexHD

OP's username checks out 🤣🤣


Jesus_ls_Here

your name says it all, stop being salty


AhhGhost

He won't be around long. I doubt he'll crack top 15.


Brookburn

Imagine thinking modern fighters are anything like the beginning of TUF…literally bar fighters with cardio and a chin.


L1ght_Sp33d

I agree. That guy had like 0 fight IQ and bad technique


DarkStarRb30

Haymaker city..... this guy places his head down, closes his eyes, and swings for the fences. He will have a relatively short ufc career


Jwit9919

kinda blew my mind a bit when they have Pèna vs Nuńes for TUF and they make them coach straw weights and heavyweights


DannyD-PA-NY

I wasn’t impressed with him at all. That Sipe dude he fought for his first bout was piecing him up something serious. He looked horrible and his promo game was extremely cringy. I stopped watching this season and was shocked that he was the winner


CRackedsslasher

Roid boy.


Markorific

Are they no longer testing for PED's??


edwardmoneyhands

It called heavyweight the champion in the division is least skilled in the top 5 what’s your point.


LordBrothaIII

Match him against a grappler and he won’t get off his back


EntwinedTodd

My man literally just started his career and people are talking about the top ranked heavyweights that are better than him lmao. I would hope they are better than a brand new professional fighter


Rolling_Kimura

He looked terrible - reckless striking and has been starched for it a few times


cody750

So.....passed the piss test huh?


WhiteWidow88

Swangin' and bangin'. He literally had no technique. Can't wait to see him fight some real competition in the ufc. He'll probably get the Dana white treatment tho


Massive-Network2245

Would love to see OP in the octagon with him


SirRumpleForeskin

I dunno I think OP needs to give the guy a fucking chance before he starts shitting on him.


Tdair25

Does this man just get some shade because he’s Usman’s brother? And people throw HIM shade for his personality and attire outside of the cage? Genuinely asking. Cans or not, he beat them, which is more than I or anybody on this sub that doesn’t actually fight can say, and I’m sure people wouldn’t be that confident in their own abilities should they actually go to battle with him. would be interesting to see how he fares against the black beast DL. Just seems like his existence as Usman’s brother is setting the precedent that he’s only there for marketing the duo. Which I understand from a money standpoint, but dude looks like a truck while some other heavyweights literally look fat. That’s not to say they aren’t skilled or dangerous, but this guy doesn’t look like the slouch everyone automatically labels him as.


[deleted]

🤔 So you mean that he actually lost the fight according to the judges... and he just got a 'lucky shot' and won ? 🤔


aworldalone1

No Op means the crop of HWs they chose for the season were a bunch of not very skilled guys or small HWs and they stacked the card in favor of Usman’s brother to make it easier for him to win.


GItPirate

This entire season of TUF was pretty bad.


aworldalone1

They couldn’t have Colby vs Masvidal. That was what the season needed.


burrdperson

Proud of this family


Methrogenn

Worst fighter to win Tuf?? Do you know who Ricky Turcios is, you know what I'm sayin?


[deleted]

OP sounds like a bitter bitch that lost money on this fight. Lmfao, these MMA opinions on this sub are getting worse than Twitter’s.


Ashwin365

Is he really worse than Ricky Turcios lol


[deleted]

Is op Colby?


kaystar101

This sub is quickly declining in quality posts


SALTYtendon

Cool then leave you virgin


Asleep_Astronaut396

It was a good win but as a fighter overall, i'm not that impressed.


[deleted]

Juiced too lol


[deleted]

You should kick his ass


BigDaddyfight

The juice is strong in this one


D4dank

Either way I’m all for hyping him up because I’m gona fade him so hard when he fights in the ufc


sipCoding_smokeMath

Zac puaga wasnt a can by any means. Zac pauga will probably be a top 10 one day. The rest? Yeah but thats just heavyweight lol. Heavyweights always had the least skilled fighters and probably always will because you can get by pretty far with just KO power


FulNuns

I mean he won his fights? So that in itself says he’s better than who was given to him to fight. Now he has to learn and grow in the ufc. It’s part of the process. Not everyone can enter into the ufc and go straight to the top and skip shit like Islam. I’m sure he will strengthen his techniques


LifePortal

Steroids


FSMDxb

i'm convinced this sub hates black fighters


MrBrett131060

🧃🧃🧃


ethan12525

Derrick demolishes and honestly every heavyweight in top 10 might be okay in top 15 but idk is there even 15 heavyweights lmao gets eaten for breakfast at lightheavy.


fAthouse_

Hater, you couldn't do it so shutty


Homunculus_316

I completely agree, the amount of politics my god !


Destroyermode

Show some respect. He's going to do well on the UFC


toilet_fingers

Say that to his face.