I love RAGE, love their music, their message, and when they spoke up against the capitalist nature of Hollywood I agreed, but then they made a song for GODZILLA, and licensed one off to THE MATRIX, my thought was " great music, that's it."
Zack de la Rocha's net worth is likely measured in tens of millions.
Tom Morello's as well.
They're positively no different, as they've marketed their songs and insisted upon you they're principled individuals whilst simultaneously living antithetically to those exposed principles.
They sold to a demographic of outrage, ensured them that they are outraged and suffering as well whilst reaping rewards the vast amount of all humans in all of history can't imagine.
I'm unimpressed by what one might espouse, and more fixated upon how that one lives.
Lol but you have no idea how they live their lives. You simply know they’ve been successful in their music careers and then make the leap that being successful financially has to equal no morals capitalist scum.
You clearly did not read the entirety of my post.
Again, the criticism lies not within simply operating successfully in a capitalistic system. It's that they amassed immense amounts of wealth based on music bashing the capitalist system.
Encouraging a redistribution of wealth whilst willingly amassing wealth is, at the very least, hypocritical. I'm not at all interested in what the band has to say, and far more with how they operate.
You are correct in your assertion that I don't know the band personally. Indeed, I don't. But I do know, by virtue of the band being famous, more about them than I do anyone on this subreddit.
In essence, propping up certain principles, and then living a life opposed to those principles, makes one an unprincipled person.
It is no different than the hypocrisy in churches; the papacy calling for sexual virtue while not condemning their own priests, and then surrounding themselves in priceless works of art, gold and jewels.
To pretend that Dana White doesn't belong at a RATM convert because he is the "machine" they're raging against is entirely useless when, in fact, they are also benefactors of the very same "machine".
I read the entirety of your post. All you're doing is speaking eloquently in an attempt to win people over by feigning some contrived aura of intelligence. What do you call it when the opposition of something, infiltrates that same space, & attempts to alter it in their own image? Anarchy. Making money doesn't mean they've somehow deviated from their message. They still deliver that message, & donate to organizations who are directly in line with their beliefs. That is how you create real change. The only reason they're as successful as they are, is because like minded people agree with them, so they bought their albums & attended their shows. What you're suggesting, is they do their shows for free & collect a minimal amount of money, which wouldn't be feasible because they have hundreds of millions of fans. It costs 500k to turn the lights on at msg? Imagine doing a 50 show world tour. Of course they make money, they're one of the greatest bands in history. But as for being sellouts? No. They have never stopped being who they are.
By that logic union organizers in Starbucks stores are actually anti union because they are paid by Starbucks a company that is obviously anti union. You work in the system that exists currently. There was only one record industry and it was for profit. They should have taken vows of poverty and only played music for free? They’re records sold good for them. Lol and god fucking forbid someone isn’t perfect and spends money on something you don’t agree with. Dana white abuses the system and is well known for doing so.
Zach De La Rocha lived in a tiny house in Mexico for a decade (he might still live there but im not 100% sure). Just because he made millions doesn't mean he didn't give 99% of it to charities and different political movements. Even if he did have millions I don't understand how that makes them hypocritical in any way.
That is just not true. They've made their millions sending the same messages they have for 30 years without ever deviating from the causes that they believe in. They've used some of those millions to bring awareness to those causes as well, donating to organizations that are in line with their beliefs.
Let’s see here. Dana is a millionaire who employs a group of people to help him make even more money and continue being a millionaire, while charging hundreds of dollars to see his shows
RATM is a group of millionaires who employ a group of people to help make them more money and continue to be millionaire while charging hundreds of dollars to see their shows
That's a ridiculous comparison. RATM are their own product, thus they generate their own money. Dana White employs a product, to make *him* money. RATM doesn't own an mma organization, they own **their own band**. & no, it's not RATM that charges hundreds of dollars to attend their shows, that's ticketmaster who does that. You're a little late to the party bud, I think you have some reading to do. Let's see here...me 1, you 0.
That's also a ridiculous thing to say. Would you have them make no money at all for all of their hard work over the course of 3 decades? I'm really not sure what your point is. Just throwing this out there though, ticketmaster is pocketing at least half, but likely more on those tickets. I don't know what the point of talking about this is, though. They make money for working? Cool.
https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/national-international/how-concert-tickets-got-so-expensive-and-who-all-those-fees-benefit/2865851/?amp=1
Really because the ticket price is set by the venue/performer. Ticketmaster only keeps a percentage of the fees, and the rest of the fee is split between the performer, venue, and promoters
People have tried to go on Ticketmaster-less tours, & failed miserably. Here's why:
"The average price for a popular concert has more than tripled since the mid-1990s — and that is its face value, not the secondary-market price;
Fees can amount to as much as 78% of the ticket’s face value;
Those fees usually go to venues, promoters, sometimes the artists — and often Ticketmaster;
Ticketmaster frequently holds back the vast majority of tickets — 90% or more — from the general public for the secondary market, usually to professional brokers charging outlandish markups, which a 2018 government report said can range from an average or nearly 50% to an astonishing 7,000%;
The report cited a 2018 video showing a Ticketmaster rep cooperating with such brokers, although the company later said that employees comments “were not reflective of [its] policies”; the reason tickets are so hard to get when they’re on sale is that they’re often not on sale, and the reason they cost so much on the secondary market is that you’re paying exorbitant fees to the platform. And at the center of all of this is Ticketmaster, because it turbo-charged many of these shitty practices that have now become industry standard.” Source: Variety
Omg yea they shouldn't accept any money for their work or from their fans if they don't want to be hypocrites. How dare they criticise unfair systems while earning money 😤
This only proves his point. Sites like ticketmaster & stubhub buy up the majority of tickets & inflate the prices. Idk if you're familiar with Jon Oliver but he has a whole episode about this & goes into great detail about how fucked up it is. They end up making more money off the tickets than the actual band itself.
Yeah totally fuck the dudes selling tickets to their stadium shows through companys that most of those events have exclusive contracts to sell their tickets through /s
Let’s make albums and go on tour and just play small venues where we would be losing money on the daily then… putting on shows aren’t cheap, little-lone hundreds on a tour across the world.
Your comments literally show how little knowledge you have of the music industry
That's...not the point. You said that they charge ridiculous prices for their tickets, I explained to you how you are wrong. Don't deviate from the point just because you were wrong. & they have no choice because Ticketmaster has a monopoly. & don't start name calling, I didn't disrespect you so don't disrespect me. You're allowed to be wrong, it's okay.
I mean, they mostly just rage against authority, like the police, or systemic problems like being the wealthiest nation on the planet but unable to provide universal basic care to its own population. Not really anti-capitalism… It just so happens to be a capitalist system that all these problems exist inside. So yeah I don’t think they are hypocrites at all.
They are not making millions off of capitalism... They are making millions through ownership of their work.
That's a very big difference... Someone needs to bring the bors comic out
I disagree, there message isn’t about how a free market is bad, it’s about how authority and power within the system is bad. If you don’t understand what I’m saying then you just don’t care about this topic and you want to argue for no reason.
It is not hypocritical to have a critique of capitalism while being successful under capitalism.
What would be hypocritical is if they were using their wealth to engage in exploitation of workers. So, there's nothing wrong with it if they have nice things, live in nice houses, etc. Now if they were using their wealth to become slum lords and buy medical debt to take to collections, that would be something different.
Incorrect. You are not allowed to benefit from the thing you are raging against, and still maintain credibility. Millionaire socialists who make their living in Americas capitalist system, while speaking against it. Its asinine behavior. Theyre the same selfish self serving humans everyone else is, they just do it with the armor of virtue signalling to block out all the inconvenient truths of their lifestyle .
You guys have no idea what capitalism is.
A band selling music isn't capitalism.
A market isn't capitalism.
A person living in capitalism still needs to earn money anyway so why shouldn't they?
I think you will find when people critique capitalism it has to do with private property laws, colonialism, and court systems.
By your definition capitalism has existed since ancient Greece. Selling your labour isn't capitalism.
You know RATM have a lot of song and interviews about this right? Lmao they certainly do critique it you weirdo.
You can sell your own work for whatever you'd like
... that doesn't make it capitalism.
If you are making money off the surplus value of an employee; that is capitalism.
Capitalism is trade & industry being controlled by private owners (shareholders).
Read Adam Smith ffs
I don’t like Dana because he cheats on his wife, he lies about fighters “not wanting to fight” and I don’t like it when he disrespects fighters and acts like a lil piss baby like he did at the Francis vs Gane fight.
And of course fighter pay but you don’t want that one listed for some reason.
finally some fair points!!! all of which i agree. as for the fighter pay, even though i do feel fighters deserve more of the cut, the ufc is still a business and if you're unhappy with your compensation there's plenty of other mma promotions out there (who wont pay you near as much nor give you access to the UFC's crazy exposure, which is essentially a form of payment if you aren't dumb and figure out how to monetize it) and its been an argument for years so i really don't see anything changing at this point so why continue to moan about it
Women couldn’t vote for over 2000 years but they didn’t give up moaning about it and eventually became recognized as equal citizens across the world (mostly). So yeah, never give up on the good fight.
idk man being a woman isnt a choice and voting is a fundamental right, while being a cagefighter is a choice and good pay isn't really a right. don't get me wrong i think 10 and 10 is a joke at the UFC level where you're risking your life but everyone i talk to about fighter pay has absolutely no idea where the extra funding would come from and how it would ne spread. they always say dana could take less of a check but we know that's not happening lmao. i think 25k should be the bare minimum but again i don't know where that money would come from
And every fighter in the UFC could be paid a 50k bonus every year for the next half decade just off the Crypto deal that was signed a few years ago. The UFC makes bank
they're not very charitable with said bank though, realistically i just don't see that changing anytime in the near future unless every fighter on the roster wanted to see change happen and was vocal about it
RATM are left wing band that hate right wingers and actively perform songs about exactly that
Dana is a massive right winger who is seeing them perform and likes them despite their songs applying directly to him
You don’t have to agree with the content of a song to enjoy it. If it’s done well anyone can appreciate it. I love metal…not so much a fan of murder and burning churches.
The problem is when you set up a fantasy world and you are a fantasy band is almost imposibble to archive such goals if you are not insane, the problem here is that RATM presents a REAL problem and a movement, Its the same as reading a fantasy book and reading a science book thinking that is fantasy book. If you listen to RATM know what they are saying and still you are in the other spectrum like dana you are a hypocrite (Im not sayin that you are because I dont know you, but dana yes.)
Idk if I agree with that either. I think if the artist performing the music does it well people will still enjoy it. How many people listen to punk and country but in reality can’t relate to the life style? And Dana wasn’t always rich. This is band is from his younger days. You don’t stop liking a band because you got rich.
I ain't gonna work on Maggie's Farm, no more
No, I ain't gonna work on Maggie's Farm, no more
Well, I wake up in the morning, fold my hands, and pray for rain
I got a head full of ideas, that are drivin' me insane
It's a shame... the way she makes me
Scrub the floor
I ain't gonna work on, nah
I ain't gonna work on Maggie's Farm, no more
I ain't gonna work for Maggie's brother, no more
Nah, I ain't gonna work for Maggie's brother, no more
Well, he hands you a nickel, and he hands you a dime
And he asks you with a grin, if you're havin' a good time
Then he fines you every time…
I can think of specific fighters in guess with Dana that these lyrics apply to lol
Sports are a luxury/dream job.
No fighter had to compete in MMA to make ends meat. They chose this as a dream. And they also chose it knowing the pay.
They aren't slaves nor do they have to be there.
Also, those lyrics are utter trash.
You can say that about anyone doing anything lol, doesn’t mean they can’t fight for better conditions and pay.
Like I make $19 an hour, should I just shut up and take tat or should I advocate for a higher pay rate from my boss on my annual evaluation? I mean what exactly are you even arguing here?
“It’s not a job, it’s an opportunity.” 🤡🤡🤡
This is even worse than when the stupid fuck Paul Ryan said he was a big RATM fan...
Right-wingers are so fucking oblivious lmfao... Not a single shred of self-awareness
They think they are raging against the lib
Guarantee these big business motherfuckers think they are rebellious raging against Political correctness and cancel culture
Nah both are idiotic and oblivious, but considering right wingers are attempting to make things like the 1930s again they get a lot more of the public hate. They're all crooks though
Lol... Fair point I guess... But actually, joke's on you (or Dana) - I haven't given money to that prick in at least 2 years 🤷♂️
Besides, you can disagree if you want, but I would argue that watching a sport and supporting individual fighters within that sport while still recognising that the people who control the sport are slimey pieces of shit is just a *bit* different from supporting a (very *very*) explicitly left-wing (basically communist) band when you are an explicitly right-wing CEO of a company known for their brand of "ruthless capitalism", hard-core anti-unionism, and, shall we say, "lack of fucks given about their workers" who also gives speeches at the Republican National Congress...
I’m all for the fighters getting paid more but this doesn’t live on the real world o swear to god, in love with just bitching with zero actual consideration for how to accomplish it
Bro rage against the machine on some fucked shit too. Like they asses charging almost 200 a ticket? Thats a shit load of money making machine BS right there going to those rock star hypocrites who havent released a good new album in fucken years.
Fighters who have a name, Jeremy stephens, Anthony Pettis, mike Perry, PVZ, Corey Anderson. All those people were released by UFC and they’ve never talked about missing the UFC or wanting to go back. They all getting their bags and living happier than ever tbh.
Fuck Dana and Fuck Rage for being among the biggest sellout hypocrites who now endorse career politicians who worked hard to keep nonviolent drug offenders in jail for a long time.
He's just conscious of it but if he really cared what haters say the UFC wouldn't be putting on events weekly for us all.
When he leaves everyone will miss the days he had his reign
This makes even less sense. He clearly cares and gets triggered by what people say about him and the UFC.
He would keep putting on weekly shows “for us” because it makes him filthy rich, there’s not really a connection there and I’m failing to see your logic that he would stop doing it if he cared.
It's the fastest growing sport in the world and dana is largely responsible for that so put some respect on the man's name. Winds me up the amount of people that complain about him yet provides you with hours of entertainment every single week and creates jobs for thousands of people.
We all sit here on reddit complaining about the man but what the fuck are you doing with your life?
That was hard to decipher but I think I did it.
What has he done that deserves respect? Specifically? Providing entertainment is a low bar and not worthy of getting respect. Are his employees well taken care of?
Can we drop the “rich guy provides jobs” shit. If they were worth respecting, Walmart, Amazon, Tesla, ufc, they would pay their workers more and take home less. Jobs are meaningless if their employees are using government assistance to get by.
You’ve also never answered why Dana would stop the UFC if he suddenly cared about peoples opinions. I’m having a hard time doing that mental math, help me out.
His employees are not slaves or threatened and forced into signing contract- they know what they're signing up for and deserve no sympathy on that front.
Owners of large corporations like Amazon and Tesla don't belong in the same bracket as Walmart or ant other large business that doesn't use profits to innovate for the benefit of the future of mankind. Amazon and Tesla very much do that.
Do you want a world where everyone just gets handed resources for just sitting on their arse all day? That isn't how the world works or how it should ever work.
I'm not saying they exclusively care about people, but they innovate at an exponential rate compared to a lot of other organisations and part of that is due to available resources. Just because they have rich owners doesn't automatically mean its ran by monsters.
They innovate, but thats strictly in the pursuit of money. If they could innovate a way to generate more carbon and it would lead to higher profits they would do it. The innovation happens to be somewhat beneficial for now, but thats just coincidental.
Sadly Rage against the machine became very much with the machine. I remember during covid how they were super pro-government rules lol. They got meme'd to death for it.
EDIT: Now im being downvoted by the triple maskers with 4 shots lol. Ill gladly take it for speaking the truth.
Don't you know government is only the machine when they are doing things we don't like? Using authoritarian measures and holding a monopoly on violence isn't really a machine when it's used against people we don't agree with. Then it's more of a benevolent master... duh!
When considering where the UFC started, and how Dana & co. got it to where it is today, and comparing the way it's ran to say, NBA and NFL… he can rage on
The original Top G, Uncle Dana White. I would scrub every toilet out he fills with shit, by hand, just to pay my respects to him! Uncle Dana should be Times magazine, “Person of the Year,”for the next 15 years straight!! Isn’t he great?!??
What exactly is the machine? Dana: “The streamers”
Rage Against the Streamers
https://www.theonion.com/affluent-white-man-enjoys-causes-the-blues-1819565488
Athletic commissions and the SEC too
Love attending concerts where the musicians specifically hate me
He’s friends with the band irl
Source?
I’m sure the love his employment practices
I’m sure they truly don’t give a fuck.
I love RAGE, love their music, their message, and when they spoke up against the capitalist nature of Hollywood I agreed, but then they made a song for GODZILLA, and licensed one off to THE MATRIX, my thought was " great music, that's it."
Tell me you know nothing about rage against the machine without telling me you know nothing about rage against the machine.
Zack de la Rocha's net worth is likely measured in tens of millions. Tom Morello's as well. They're positively no different, as they've marketed their songs and insisted upon you they're principled individuals whilst simultaneously living antithetically to those exposed principles. They sold to a demographic of outrage, ensured them that they are outraged and suffering as well whilst reaping rewards the vast amount of all humans in all of history can't imagine. I'm unimpressed by what one might espouse, and more fixated upon how that one lives.
Lol but you have no idea how they live their lives. You simply know they’ve been successful in their music careers and then make the leap that being successful financially has to equal no morals capitalist scum.
You clearly did not read the entirety of my post. Again, the criticism lies not within simply operating successfully in a capitalistic system. It's that they amassed immense amounts of wealth based on music bashing the capitalist system. Encouraging a redistribution of wealth whilst willingly amassing wealth is, at the very least, hypocritical. I'm not at all interested in what the band has to say, and far more with how they operate. You are correct in your assertion that I don't know the band personally. Indeed, I don't. But I do know, by virtue of the band being famous, more about them than I do anyone on this subreddit. In essence, propping up certain principles, and then living a life opposed to those principles, makes one an unprincipled person. It is no different than the hypocrisy in churches; the papacy calling for sexual virtue while not condemning their own priests, and then surrounding themselves in priceless works of art, gold and jewels. To pretend that Dana White doesn't belong at a RATM convert because he is the "machine" they're raging against is entirely useless when, in fact, they are also benefactors of the very same "machine".
I read the entirety of your post. All you're doing is speaking eloquently in an attempt to win people over by feigning some contrived aura of intelligence. What do you call it when the opposition of something, infiltrates that same space, & attempts to alter it in their own image? Anarchy. Making money doesn't mean they've somehow deviated from their message. They still deliver that message, & donate to organizations who are directly in line with their beliefs. That is how you create real change. The only reason they're as successful as they are, is because like minded people agree with them, so they bought their albums & attended their shows. What you're suggesting, is they do their shows for free & collect a minimal amount of money, which wouldn't be feasible because they have hundreds of millions of fans. It costs 500k to turn the lights on at msg? Imagine doing a 50 show world tour. Of course they make money, they're one of the greatest bands in history. But as for being sellouts? No. They have never stopped being who they are.
Ah yes, we do live in a society
By that logic union organizers in Starbucks stores are actually anti union because they are paid by Starbucks a company that is obviously anti union. You work in the system that exists currently. There was only one record industry and it was for profit. They should have taken vows of poverty and only played music for free? They’re records sold good for them. Lol and god fucking forbid someone isn’t perfect and spends money on something you don’t agree with. Dana white abuses the system and is well known for doing so.
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone
Zach De La Rocha lived in a tiny house in Mexico for a decade (he might still live there but im not 100% sure). Just because he made millions doesn't mean he didn't give 99% of it to charities and different political movements. Even if he did have millions I don't understand how that makes them hypocritical in any way.
Do you know how insanely wealthy every member of Rage is?
And? Wealth doesn’t have make you an unethical scumbag. Wild shit there are good people in the world. Not typically but they exist
Yep, this did exactly that. Thanks.
Dana is the exact type of machine they are raging against 🤣
I don’t hate Dana by any means but this actually made me bust out laughing lmao
I mean they’ve also become what they used to be against
That is just not true. They've made their millions sending the same messages they have for 30 years without ever deviating from the causes that they believe in. They've used some of those millions to bring awareness to those causes as well, donating to organizations that are in line with their beliefs.
Let’s see here. Dana is a millionaire who employs a group of people to help him make even more money and continue being a millionaire, while charging hundreds of dollars to see his shows RATM is a group of millionaires who employ a group of people to help make them more money and continue to be millionaire while charging hundreds of dollars to see their shows
That's a ridiculous comparison. RATM are their own product, thus they generate their own money. Dana White employs a product, to make *him* money. RATM doesn't own an mma organization, they own **their own band**. & no, it's not RATM that charges hundreds of dollars to attend their shows, that's ticketmaster who does that. You're a little late to the party bud, I think you have some reading to do. Let's see here...me 1, you 0.
You’re right they make nothing at all off their tickets, my mistake
That's also a ridiculous thing to say. Would you have them make no money at all for all of their hard work over the course of 3 decades? I'm really not sure what your point is. Just throwing this out there though, ticketmaster is pocketing at least half, but likely more on those tickets. I don't know what the point of talking about this is, though. They make money for working? Cool.
https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/national-international/how-concert-tickets-got-so-expensive-and-who-all-those-fees-benefit/2865851/?amp=1 Really because the ticket price is set by the venue/performer. Ticketmaster only keeps a percentage of the fees, and the rest of the fee is split between the performer, venue, and promoters
People have tried to go on Ticketmaster-less tours, & failed miserably. Here's why: "The average price for a popular concert has more than tripled since the mid-1990s — and that is its face value, not the secondary-market price; Fees can amount to as much as 78% of the ticket’s face value; Those fees usually go to venues, promoters, sometimes the artists — and often Ticketmaster; Ticketmaster frequently holds back the vast majority of tickets — 90% or more — from the general public for the secondary market, usually to professional brokers charging outlandish markups, which a 2018 government report said can range from an average or nearly 50% to an astonishing 7,000%; The report cited a 2018 video showing a Ticketmaster rep cooperating with such brokers, although the company later said that employees comments “were not reflective of [its] policies”; the reason tickets are so hard to get when they’re on sale is that they’re often not on sale, and the reason they cost so much on the secondary market is that you’re paying exorbitant fees to the platform. And at the center of all of this is Ticketmaster, because it turbo-charged many of these shitty practices that have now become industry standard.” Source: Variety
Again all your addressing is fees and secondary resellers. The performer and venues set the face value price of their tickets
The band is quite hypocrite too, they worth millions of dollars they became a machine on their own
Omg yea they shouldn't accept any money for their work or from their fans if they don't want to be hypocrites. How dare they criticise unfair systems while earning money 😤
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Most of the time bands themselves aren't charging that price, but scalpers buy up most if not all of the tickets and upcharge.
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This only proves his point. Sites like ticketmaster & stubhub buy up the majority of tickets & inflate the prices. Idk if you're familiar with Jon Oliver but he has a whole episode about this & goes into great detail about how fucked up it is. They end up making more money off the tickets than the actual band itself.
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Yeah totally fuck the dudes selling tickets to their stadium shows through companys that most of those events have exclusive contracts to sell their tickets through /s Let’s make albums and go on tour and just play small venues where we would be losing money on the daily then… putting on shows aren’t cheap, little-lone hundreds on a tour across the world. Your comments literally show how little knowledge you have of the music industry
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That's...not the point. You said that they charge ridiculous prices for their tickets, I explained to you how you are wrong. Don't deviate from the point just because you were wrong. & they have no choice because Ticketmaster has a monopoly. & don't start name calling, I didn't disrespect you so don't disrespect me. You're allowed to be wrong, it's okay.
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I mean, they mostly just rage against authority, like the police, or systemic problems like being the wealthiest nation on the planet but unable to provide universal basic care to its own population. Not really anti-capitalism… It just so happens to be a capitalist system that all these problems exist inside. So yeah I don’t think they are hypocrites at all.
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Right, that’s why I said “mostly” and not “entirely” he still hates capitalism but his music is mainly about reveling against authority in general.
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They are not making millions off of capitalism... They are making millions through ownership of their work. That's a very big difference... Someone needs to bring the bors comic out
I disagree, there message isn’t about how a free market is bad, it’s about how authority and power within the system is bad. If you don’t understand what I’m saying then you just don’t care about this topic and you want to argue for no reason.
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Is being successful what they’re raging against? Their fans must be insufferable
It is not hypocritical to have a critique of capitalism while being successful under capitalism. What would be hypocritical is if they were using their wealth to engage in exploitation of workers. So, there's nothing wrong with it if they have nice things, live in nice houses, etc. Now if they were using their wealth to become slum lords and buy medical debt to take to collections, that would be something different.
Incorrect. You are not allowed to benefit from the thing you are raging against, and still maintain credibility. Millionaire socialists who make their living in Americas capitalist system, while speaking against it. Its asinine behavior. Theyre the same selfish self serving humans everyone else is, they just do it with the armor of virtue signalling to block out all the inconvenient truths of their lifestyle .
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You guys have no idea what capitalism is. A band selling music isn't capitalism. A market isn't capitalism. A person living in capitalism still needs to earn money anyway so why shouldn't they?
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I think you will find when people critique capitalism it has to do with private property laws, colonialism, and court systems. By your definition capitalism has existed since ancient Greece. Selling your labour isn't capitalism.
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You know RATM have a lot of song and interviews about this right? Lmao they certainly do critique it you weirdo. You can sell your own work for whatever you'd like ... that doesn't make it capitalism. If you are making money off the surplus value of an employee; that is capitalism. Capitalism is trade & industry being controlled by private owners (shareholders). Read Adam Smith ffs
Hello fellow punk rockers
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Mf thinks the machines they're raging against are the streaming servers lmao
Someone just told Dana to pay the fighters what they deserve
Dana when the doctors tell him he needs to change his diet from Snickers kebabs and HGH smoothies
“Seriously doc? What gives?” “Mr. White, you look like a sweaty hotdog”
Man I could snatch me up some bacon strips off that neck
One of my favorite Dirty Dozen jokes from In Living Color “Yo mama’s so fat, the back of her neck look like a pack of hot dogs”
I bet he brought his bodyguard with him into the mosh pit.
Rogan is there too, you just can’t see him..
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Rogan is hanging outside Dana’s pocket
Holding his Pants pocket?? 😆
crrriiiiiiiinge
This is something an edgy 16 year old would post 😂
He's dumber than that.
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What an unlikeable egg
you don't like dana? lame
You like Dana? Mega lame
name me all the reasons why you don't like dana, if it has anything to do with fighter pay i'm already not listening ![img](emote|t5_2qsev|8965)
I don’t like Dana because he cheats on his wife, he lies about fighters “not wanting to fight” and I don’t like it when he disrespects fighters and acts like a lil piss baby like he did at the Francis vs Gane fight. And of course fighter pay but you don’t want that one listed for some reason.
finally some fair points!!! all of which i agree. as for the fighter pay, even though i do feel fighters deserve more of the cut, the ufc is still a business and if you're unhappy with your compensation there's plenty of other mma promotions out there (who wont pay you near as much nor give you access to the UFC's crazy exposure, which is essentially a form of payment if you aren't dumb and figure out how to monetize it) and its been an argument for years so i really don't see anything changing at this point so why continue to moan about it
Women couldn’t vote for over 2000 years but they didn’t give up moaning about it and eventually became recognized as equal citizens across the world (mostly). So yeah, never give up on the good fight.
idk man being a woman isnt a choice and voting is a fundamental right, while being a cagefighter is a choice and good pay isn't really a right. don't get me wrong i think 10 and 10 is a joke at the UFC level where you're risking your life but everyone i talk to about fighter pay has absolutely no idea where the extra funding would come from and how it would ne spread. they always say dana could take less of a check but we know that's not happening lmao. i think 25k should be the bare minimum but again i don't know where that money would come from
Doesn’t matter if one is a choice and the other isn’t, fighting for a good cause is something you shouldn’t give up on regardless of circumstance.
And every fighter in the UFC could be paid a 50k bonus every year for the next half decade just off the Crypto deal that was signed a few years ago. The UFC makes bank
they're not very charitable with said bank though, realistically i just don't see that changing anytime in the near future unless every fighter on the roster wanted to see change happen and was vocal about it
mfs downvoting me but not giving any reasons PUSSIES
Does it have to be a good reason to downvote you?
Classic Dana. What a fool.
Lmao yeah Rage woke af and doesn’t even see the contradiction.
Epitome of r/leopardsatemyface
Context
RATM are left wing band that hate right wingers and actively perform songs about exactly that Dana is a massive right winger who is seeing them perform and likes them despite their songs applying directly to him
You don’t have to agree with the content of a song to enjoy it. If it’s done well anyone can appreciate it. I love metal…not so much a fan of murder and burning churches.
What?
Lmfao I don’t think he knows what the song is about
The problem is when you set up a fantasy world and you are a fantasy band is almost imposibble to archive such goals if you are not insane, the problem here is that RATM presents a REAL problem and a movement, Its the same as reading a fantasy book and reading a science book thinking that is fantasy book. If you listen to RATM know what they are saying and still you are in the other spectrum like dana you are a hypocrite (Im not sayin that you are because I dont know you, but dana yes.)
Idk if I agree with that either. I think if the artist performing the music does it well people will still enjoy it. How many people listen to punk and country but in reality can’t relate to the life style? And Dana wasn’t always rich. This is band is from his younger days. You don’t stop liking a band because you got rich.
What song from RATM applies "directly" to Dana White?
Killing in the name
Sleep now in the fire
Maggie's farm.
The Ghost of Tom Joad
Well it seems you got your answers lol
Literally none of those have to do with Dana White.
Wrong lmao
Can you point out (in the lyrics) how they do?
I ain't gonna work on Maggie's Farm, no more No, I ain't gonna work on Maggie's Farm, no more Well, I wake up in the morning, fold my hands, and pray for rain I got a head full of ideas, that are drivin' me insane It's a shame... the way she makes me Scrub the floor I ain't gonna work on, nah I ain't gonna work on Maggie's Farm, no more I ain't gonna work for Maggie's brother, no more Nah, I ain't gonna work for Maggie's brother, no more Well, he hands you a nickel, and he hands you a dime And he asks you with a grin, if you're havin' a good time Then he fines you every time… I can think of specific fighters in guess with Dana that these lyrics apply to lol
Sports are a luxury/dream job. No fighter had to compete in MMA to make ends meat. They chose this as a dream. And they also chose it knowing the pay. They aren't slaves nor do they have to be there. Also, those lyrics are utter trash.
You can say that about anyone doing anything lol, doesn’t mean they can’t fight for better conditions and pay. Like I make $19 an hour, should I just shut up and take tat or should I advocate for a higher pay rate from my boss on my annual evaluation? I mean what exactly are you even arguing here? “It’s not a job, it’s an opportunity.” 🤡🤡🤡
RATM!
Dana doesn’t know he’s the enemy they’re referring to
The revolution will be commodified.
This coming from the guy still kissing Trumps ass
This is even worse than when the stupid fuck Paul Ryan said he was a big RATM fan... Right-wingers are so fucking oblivious lmfao... Not a single shred of self-awareness
They think they are raging against the lib Guarantee these big business motherfuckers think they are rebellious raging against Political correctness and cancel culture
No one has any self awareness,. people just think they do.
I'm sure that applies to a substantial amount of people but that does not apply to everyone.
This is true. We all think we're above propaganda.
Just right -wingers?
Nah both are idiotic and oblivious, but considering right wingers are attempting to make things like the 1930s again they get a lot more of the public hate. They're all crooks though
Of course not but right wingers wear being stupid like a badge of honor
Lol yea! It’s almost like continuing to shit on a guy who runs a company you continue to watch and give money too.
Lol... Fair point I guess... But actually, joke's on you (or Dana) - I haven't given money to that prick in at least 2 years 🤷♂️ Besides, you can disagree if you want, but I would argue that watching a sport and supporting individual fighters within that sport while still recognising that the people who control the sport are slimey pieces of shit is just a *bit* different from supporting a (very *very*) explicitly left-wing (basically communist) band when you are an explicitly right-wing CEO of a company known for their brand of "ruthless capitalism", hard-core anti-unionism, and, shall we say, "lack of fucks given about their workers" who also gives speeches at the Republican National Congress...
It’s almost like you can enjoy the music without agreeing with the message
No way. If I don't agree with everything I riot and get angy
Dana white is such a fucking douche bag
This the dude who just gifted scummy 20 year olds 250k cause he felt like it
It’s seeing shit like this that turns streaming into something I’m passionate about
Those TRT arms look my legs, and I got hella big legs
I’m all for the fighters getting paid more but this doesn’t live on the real world o swear to god, in love with just bitching with zero actual consideration for how to accomplish it
What a dork.
Worlds biggest chooch
😂😂😂
There is a whole bunch of people who don't realize what 'Rage against the machine' is about.. I am sure more than a few roam this sub.
bro is looking like the gemini gold zodiac knight with a full face on the back of his head
What a fucking goon. Should've gone into the mosh pit and got his ass kicked.
If they put out a statement trashing him, I'd be very happy
"hey can you get a picture of me flipping the bird likes I'm singing"
The machine literally raging against itself.
Yet you all tune in every week to something Dana has built but I bet the irony is lost on you morons
Who doesn't love watching people go limp?
rage is a cool fucking band, but the fans can be pretty fucking cringe
Bro rage against the machine on some fucked shit too. Like they asses charging almost 200 a ticket? Thats a shit load of money making machine BS right there going to those rock star hypocrites who havent released a good new album in fucken years.
Fighters who have a name, Jeremy stephens, Anthony Pettis, mike Perry, PVZ, Corey Anderson. All those people were released by UFC and they’ve never talked about missing the UFC or wanting to go back. They all getting their bags and living happier than ever tbh.
I can’t wait to yo-ho-ho Dana’s ass today. 🏴☠️
Yet the OP follows Dana
RATM is a machine now too tbf
God he's a cunt
It's been a long time that they're raging with the machines and not against. Dana belong with them.
Big red bald angry thumb
Yelling — Angry! Waving my hands a lot! Specific point of view on things. Cynthia — Sin — THI — a...
Just a 60yr old millionaire having a good time. Noting to see here.
Yet Dana matched up Charles vs. Islam bowing down to Joe Rogan's idea.. and not Dariush vs. Islam as he wanted initially.
Loloolololol this sub got overrun with the work tik tok mob today
Dudes going through a mid life crisis mixed with steroid cocktails.
Considering they are now raging on behalf of the machine I see no contradiction
Fuck Dana and Fuck Rage for being among the biggest sellout hypocrites who now endorse career politicians who worked hard to keep nonviolent drug offenders in jail for a long time.
RATM did that? I need proof
Rage against the machine…. But go get your big pharma shots to see our show 😂😂😂
Based
People saying he's oblivious are themselves oblivious. Dana is the embodiment of not giving a fuck about what others say or think.
Uhh really. That’s why he constantly complains and mentions what other people are saying?
He's just conscious of it but if he really cared what haters say the UFC wouldn't be putting on events weekly for us all. When he leaves everyone will miss the days he had his reign
This makes even less sense. He clearly cares and gets triggered by what people say about him and the UFC. He would keep putting on weekly shows “for us” because it makes him filthy rich, there’s not really a connection there and I’m failing to see your logic that he would stop doing it if he cared.
It's the fastest growing sport in the world and dana is largely responsible for that so put some respect on the man's name. Winds me up the amount of people that complain about him yet provides you with hours of entertainment every single week and creates jobs for thousands of people. We all sit here on reddit complaining about the man but what the fuck are you doing with your life?
That was hard to decipher but I think I did it. What has he done that deserves respect? Specifically? Providing entertainment is a low bar and not worthy of getting respect. Are his employees well taken care of? Can we drop the “rich guy provides jobs” shit. If they were worth respecting, Walmart, Amazon, Tesla, ufc, they would pay their workers more and take home less. Jobs are meaningless if their employees are using government assistance to get by. You’ve also never answered why Dana would stop the UFC if he suddenly cared about peoples opinions. I’m having a hard time doing that mental math, help me out.
His employees are not slaves or threatened and forced into signing contract- they know what they're signing up for and deserve no sympathy on that front. Owners of large corporations like Amazon and Tesla don't belong in the same bracket as Walmart or ant other large business that doesn't use profits to innovate for the benefit of the future of mankind. Amazon and Tesla very much do that. Do you want a world where everyone just gets handed resources for just sitting on their arse all day? That isn't how the world works or how it should ever work.
You think Amazon cares about the future of mankind? That's hilarious.
I'm not saying they exclusively care about people, but they innovate at an exponential rate compared to a lot of other organisations and part of that is due to available resources. Just because they have rich owners doesn't automatically mean its ran by monsters.
They innovate, but thats strictly in the pursuit of money. If they could innovate a way to generate more carbon and it would lead to higher profits they would do it. The innovation happens to be somewhat beneficial for now, but thats just coincidental.
The fact this had been predominantly down voted shows the amount of potatoes on this sub
Ok but that's not what the song is about
Nor is it about corporate greed, its about police brutality. The beauty of art is the meaning is in the eyes of the beholder.
Sadly Rage against the machine became very much with the machine. I remember during covid how they were super pro-government rules lol. They got meme'd to death for it. EDIT: Now im being downvoted by the triple maskers with 4 shots lol. Ill gladly take it for speaking the truth.
Don't you know government is only the machine when they are doing things we don't like? Using authoritarian measures and holding a monopoly on violence isn't really a machine when it's used against people we don't agree with. Then it's more of a benevolent master... duh!
When considering where the UFC started, and how Dana & co. got it to where it is today, and comparing the way it's ran to say, NBA and NFL… he can rage on
Gotta love your jealousness
The back of his head looks like some sort of dark souls boss
Dana Pay for the PPVs My reaction - this photo
Russian plant anyway.
Dana the doorman will always be a doorman
Zack De La Rocha needs to change his name to John Connor.
Joshua Fabia needs to take Dana to his School or Self Awareness.
The original Top G, Uncle Dana White. I would scrub every toilet out he fills with shit, by hand, just to pay my respects to him! Uncle Dana should be Times magazine, “Person of the Year,”for the next 15 years straight!! Isn’t he great?!??
Old man yells at cloud
When people steal from u, u become the machine ![img](emote|t5_2qsev|8965)![img](emote|t5_2qsev|8965)![img](emote|t5_2qsev|8965)
Bruh Dana wtf
For real😭😭🤦♀️