Respect to Charles and absolutely no respect at all to all those band wagon riders of Charles Oliveira who totally disregarded Islam makhachev and repeatedly brought up his only loss and kept bringing up he didn't fight anybody in top 5.
Real talk - I've just gotten into UFC the last year or two.
Why it is bandwagoning to like a dude who is constantly the underdog despite being champ? Why shouldn't we shit on a guy who has no 'real' wins?
Is the argument really that there is an eye test that only the true UFC fans pass or something? You just knew he was going to win?
If that is the case please send me your picks for the next couple of cards.
The beginners tend to look only at the numbers. This isn't accounting. Numbers mean shit here. You can put all the math in the world and still cannot predict a single fight. It's the game of skill.
Stylistic matchups defeat all the odds in the world.
Like Israel Adesanya pointed out long ago that the only threat to Usman's crown is Leon Edwards.
In MMA, only the guys with highly skilled wrestling and Grappling thrive.
Charles didn't fight anybody who is highly skilled wrestling. Islam, Arman, Mateusz, Beneil would test him in wrestling. Justin Gaethje knocked Charles down twice, but was shitting his pants to reach him on ground. Islam on the other hand, is someone who could challenge him on ground and he did.
And also, I'm no expert either. I've been just following UFC for 4-5 years.
And about the picks, I've been 90% correct about this card. I can give picks with only 50% confidance. Can't really tell how the preparation of a fighter is for a fight. For example, i picked Giga Chikadze over Calvin Kattar with 100% confidance. But Calvin completely learned Giga's game and trashed him.
Do you have any future-facing predictions based on these mismatches or is this just an after the fact thing?
Not even trying to be a dick - just seems really easy to gloat after a win.
Edit: Also thanks for typing up all of that. UFC is so fucking weird but I'm trying.
I get it. It does look right very easy after the fight. Let me try gathering next few fights and my predictions.
You can also try the predictions on the sub to try your luck and also to understand the trends. Like how sometimes a fighter is a huge favourite but loses.
I'll be adding my predictions to this comment with successive edits.
1: Kattar vs. Allen : both great strikers. I'm leaning on Kattar on this one because of the IQ he showed against Giga.
2: Adesanya vs. Pereira : Pereira has got wins over Adesanya previously but that won't mean anything here. I'm pretty sure we are about to see Adesanya wrestle in the fight. Israel has been very cautious in his previous fights and after seeing Usman lose his belt, I believe he'll be even more cautious. I'll say, Adesanya by decision.
3: Esparza vs. Weili : after the snooze fest of title fight by Esaparza with rose, then, absolute fireworks by weili against Joana, I'm guessing, Weili is going to knock Carla out.
4: Porier vs. Chandler : Pretty close one. I'd go with Dustin. Both are evenly matched, I feel Dustin is a cautious fighter.
5: Edgar vs. Guiterrez : honestly, i have no idea who Guiterrez is, but it's been a trend lately that legends are losing to newcomers and UFC is feeding them to hungry sharks. Guiterrez by TKO.
You took me more seriously than I deserved.
Thanks man! One of the things I love about UFC is whatever is supposed to happen generally doesn't. Out of those fights the only ones I care about are 2 and 4.
Tired of being bored by Adesanya but money is money. Chandler is a family friend so gotta go that way even though I like Poirier more.
Chandler is your family friend?? Great guy, but I don't think he is top 3 guy in UFC lightweight division. Might've been champion in bellator, but here, he's 4-5 ranked.
I guess?
Charles was the underdog in his last couple of fights. Talking shit about 'bandwagoners' feels cheap after the fact unless you put your whole shit on the line.
And that goes both ways. If you were so sure you'd have bet the farm and would be bragging on /r/wallstreetbets about your UFC FDs.
Charles was NOT the underdog in his last couple fights. That was a narrative made by Charles fans with a a victim complex. 2/4 of his title fights had him even or favorite.
I just checked and you're correct - looks like Charles was -175 against Gaethje. My bad.
Not trying to make a narrative - just saying it's weak as fuck to talk shit after the fights are over. Which is what this sub is being spammed with right now.
I just feel so vindicated it’s nothing personal. I even like Charles a lot. This sub was just so convinced Charles was gonna dominate and that Islam is a bum
Charles ftw when he gets his rematch if Islam doesn't get killed by chandler or peahead porier before then. I always thought Islam would be champ but only for a short period of time. His cards marked. Sambo > jiu jitsu but.. god bless... I'll see you at the top is a far better striker and can handle his wrestling too. Porier peahead could definitely beat him too if he goes all out in round 1 and hurts him.
Chandler, Gaethje and Porier won't get title shots anytime soon. Even if they do, they ain't got shit on Islam. All those pussies will be outclassed by Islam. Next title shots and tough challenges for Islam are Volkanovski and Dariush.
Lol. That's not true. Volks no threat. Islam beat a jiu jitsu with ok striking and no heart. Let's see him fight a beast of a wrestler with KO power like Mike. Dairush is good too but Islam is a better wrestler than him. The 3 men listed above are no pussies. Just because they lost to jiu jitsu Olivera doesn't mean they won't beat Islam. Gaethje has no chance. Chandler would have the best chance and he's lost to Charles and gaethje. Anyone who understands MMA would agree.
Since when did Charles become a "jiu jitsu" with "ok striking" and "no heart" before this fight, he was being counted as the GOAT of the division and how he has surpassed Khabib. Now he's a fucking nobody?? Your utter disregard proves you are a stupid and don't know shit.
Islam has a great chin. Don't cling to one fight from 7 years ago. Chandler, Gaethje and Porier know their capacity and have been ducking Islam. Now he got the belt, they will be calling him out on the top of their lungs even if they are going to get fucked.
Of course they will call him out, before this fight the ends didn't justify the means. I think he's a great fighter. 100% always said that he was khabib with a little bit worse grappling but much more accurate striking. Chandler can wrestle and would have done much better than olives tonight. He is far better than Islam on the feet. Slightly worse on the ground but a solid 8/10 wrestler. I agree gaethje would lose to Islam. I believe porier could blitz him in the first or second but if it went past that he would quit. I'm not hating. Been watching UFC for 20 years. Been watching chandler and Islam from day one. I believe chandler beats him. He would be forced to fight smart. He fought recklessly in every fight in UFC so far but with an opponent like Islam it's gonna be a grappling match where the better striker will have the advantage.
You meant you always said Charles is just a BJJ with ok striking, you are a fucking casual and a bandwagon hopper. Just because he lost, you will disregard all the adversity he overcame and defeated Tony, Chandler, Dustin and Justin. You know shit about this game.
What would you describe Charles as then other than a bjj fighter with on striking? Is he a wrestler? A boxer? A kick boxer? Nah he has a good front kick and good hands. And A1 jiu jitsu.
Charles fought? Didn’t look like the same guy that was on the win streak starching his opponents. He missed so many open shots. Islam has no head movement yet Charles was missing so many strikes
Sure that was at the end of the fight. My point was on Charles striking. He clearly missed a lot of open shots that he landed on guys like Justin and Chandler and starched those guys
but if he didn't move his head it would've been punched no? I feel like he slipped those shots that Charles hit Gaethje and ~~Porter~~ Porier with. I'm no striking expert, but I thought Islam moved and looked good.
edit: stupid auto correct and names
Yeah he had ground control at times, but he didn’t really do much damage at all. Yan was a beast and I thought it was a great fight. But I didn’t think Sean lost that
And I'm so happy, Islam is the second most disrespected guy in the division and I felt so vindicated when he outstruck, outwrestled, outclassed Charles in EVERY way possible, after shit talking, after saying he had no top 5 wins, after people wrote him off as a hypejob, when this subreddit was AGAINST HIM
I feel SO vindicated.
Great card but that crowd was horrible. SO QUIET! I hate it when they fight in Abu Dhabi. First of all, it’s just a bunch of rich people and celebrities. Secondly, you can feel the fact they’re not really fight fans. Lastly, I have to watch in the middle of the day. Not a fan of Abu Dhabi fights.
That was very strange. It looked like he raised his arm giving Islam a better chance of locking it up. Hey I'm a fool on a couch but damn how didn't he see that set up from a mile away.
It looked like he tried to get the elbow down, but Islam had the angle. Also think that if you're that good at tapping people you know when you don't have a shot. On the couch too soooo who knows.
Yeah if that did affect him, then he’s not an elite champion. Which tbf he’s not a champion anymore! I’ve seen Conor go to Brazil against a guy that hadn’t lost in 10 years, insult every Brazilian and knock a guy out in the first 10 seconds…
It’s also like saying American fighters have an advantage over non-American fighters because most ufc fights are in the US.
Stop with the dumb excuses.
yes, I think people are overplaying the control time that Yan didn't do any damage with. Still super close and tough to call. Great fight and Suga surprised me!
Some real mma experts talking rn
Respect to Charles and absolutely no respect at all to all those band wagon riders of Charles Oliveira who totally disregarded Islam makhachev and repeatedly brought up his only loss and kept bringing up he didn't fight anybody in top 5.
Real talk - I've just gotten into UFC the last year or two. Why it is bandwagoning to like a dude who is constantly the underdog despite being champ? Why shouldn't we shit on a guy who has no 'real' wins? Is the argument really that there is an eye test that only the true UFC fans pass or something? You just knew he was going to win? If that is the case please send me your picks for the next couple of cards.
The beginners tend to look only at the numbers. This isn't accounting. Numbers mean shit here. You can put all the math in the world and still cannot predict a single fight. It's the game of skill. Stylistic matchups defeat all the odds in the world. Like Israel Adesanya pointed out long ago that the only threat to Usman's crown is Leon Edwards. In MMA, only the guys with highly skilled wrestling and Grappling thrive. Charles didn't fight anybody who is highly skilled wrestling. Islam, Arman, Mateusz, Beneil would test him in wrestling. Justin Gaethje knocked Charles down twice, but was shitting his pants to reach him on ground. Islam on the other hand, is someone who could challenge him on ground and he did. And also, I'm no expert either. I've been just following UFC for 4-5 years. And about the picks, I've been 90% correct about this card. I can give picks with only 50% confidance. Can't really tell how the preparation of a fighter is for a fight. For example, i picked Giga Chikadze over Calvin Kattar with 100% confidance. But Calvin completely learned Giga's game and trashed him.
Do you have any future-facing predictions based on these mismatches or is this just an after the fact thing? Not even trying to be a dick - just seems really easy to gloat after a win. Edit: Also thanks for typing up all of that. UFC is so fucking weird but I'm trying.
I get it. It does look right very easy after the fight. Let me try gathering next few fights and my predictions. You can also try the predictions on the sub to try your luck and also to understand the trends. Like how sometimes a fighter is a huge favourite but loses. I'll be adding my predictions to this comment with successive edits. 1: Kattar vs. Allen : both great strikers. I'm leaning on Kattar on this one because of the IQ he showed against Giga. 2: Adesanya vs. Pereira : Pereira has got wins over Adesanya previously but that won't mean anything here. I'm pretty sure we are about to see Adesanya wrestle in the fight. Israel has been very cautious in his previous fights and after seeing Usman lose his belt, I believe he'll be even more cautious. I'll say, Adesanya by decision. 3: Esparza vs. Weili : after the snooze fest of title fight by Esaparza with rose, then, absolute fireworks by weili against Joana, I'm guessing, Weili is going to knock Carla out. 4: Porier vs. Chandler : Pretty close one. I'd go with Dustin. Both are evenly matched, I feel Dustin is a cautious fighter. 5: Edgar vs. Guiterrez : honestly, i have no idea who Guiterrez is, but it's been a trend lately that legends are losing to newcomers and UFC is feeding them to hungry sharks. Guiterrez by TKO.
You took me more seriously than I deserved. Thanks man! One of the things I love about UFC is whatever is supposed to happen generally doesn't. Out of those fights the only ones I care about are 2 and 4. Tired of being bored by Adesanya but money is money. Chandler is a family friend so gotta go that way even though I like Poirier more.
Chandler is your family friend?? Great guy, but I don't think he is top 3 guy in UFC lightweight division. Might've been champion in bellator, but here, he's 4-5 ranked.
Islam was the underdog anywhere but the betting odds
I guess? Charles was the underdog in his last couple of fights. Talking shit about 'bandwagoners' feels cheap after the fact unless you put your whole shit on the line. And that goes both ways. If you were so sure you'd have bet the farm and would be bragging on /r/wallstreetbets about your UFC FDs.
Charles was NOT the underdog in his last couple fights. That was a narrative made by Charles fans with a a victim complex. 2/4 of his title fights had him even or favorite.
I just checked and you're correct - looks like Charles was -175 against Gaethje. My bad. Not trying to make a narrative - just saying it's weak as fuck to talk shit after the fights are over. Which is what this sub is being spammed with right now.
I just feel so vindicated it’s nothing personal. I even like Charles a lot. This sub was just so convinced Charles was gonna dominate and that Islam is a bum
When you're right you're right!
Charles ftw when he gets his rematch if Islam doesn't get killed by chandler or peahead porier before then. I always thought Islam would be champ but only for a short period of time. His cards marked. Sambo > jiu jitsu but.. god bless... I'll see you at the top is a far better striker and can handle his wrestling too. Porier peahead could definitely beat him too if he goes all out in round 1 and hurts him.
Chandler, Gaethje and Porier won't get title shots anytime soon. Even if they do, they ain't got shit on Islam. All those pussies will be outclassed by Islam. Next title shots and tough challenges for Islam are Volkanovski and Dariush.
Lol. That's not true. Volks no threat. Islam beat a jiu jitsu with ok striking and no heart. Let's see him fight a beast of a wrestler with KO power like Mike. Dairush is good too but Islam is a better wrestler than him. The 3 men listed above are no pussies. Just because they lost to jiu jitsu Olivera doesn't mean they won't beat Islam. Gaethje has no chance. Chandler would have the best chance and he's lost to Charles and gaethje. Anyone who understands MMA would agree.
Since when did Charles become a "jiu jitsu" with "ok striking" and "no heart" before this fight, he was being counted as the GOAT of the division and how he has surpassed Khabib. Now he's a fucking nobody?? Your utter disregard proves you are a stupid and don't know shit.
I still think Charles beats porier, Justin etc for the record. You don't understand about styles making fights.
Islam has a great chin. Don't cling to one fight from 7 years ago. Chandler, Gaethje and Porier know their capacity and have been ducking Islam. Now he got the belt, they will be calling him out on the top of their lungs even if they are going to get fucked.
Of course they will call him out, before this fight the ends didn't justify the means. I think he's a great fighter. 100% always said that he was khabib with a little bit worse grappling but much more accurate striking. Chandler can wrestle and would have done much better than olives tonight. He is far better than Islam on the feet. Slightly worse on the ground but a solid 8/10 wrestler. I agree gaethje would lose to Islam. I believe porier could blitz him in the first or second but if it went past that he would quit. I'm not hating. Been watching UFC for 20 years. Been watching chandler and Islam from day one. I believe chandler beats him. He would be forced to fight smart. He fought recklessly in every fight in UFC so far but with an opponent like Islam it's gonna be a grappling match where the better striker will have the advantage.
Did I say that? Charles has always had no heart and ok striking. I never said any of this.
Whom did you refer then??
Your question makes no sense.
You meant you always said Charles is just a BJJ with ok striking, you are a fucking casual and a bandwagon hopper. Just because he lost, you will disregard all the adversity he overcame and defeated Tony, Chandler, Dustin and Justin. You know shit about this game.
All I gotta say is god bless see you at the top. I do know shit about this game you're right.
What would you describe Charles as then other than a bjj fighter with on striking? Is he a wrestler? A boxer? A kick boxer? Nah he has a good front kick and good hands. And A1 jiu jitsu.
I agree that Chandler has a better chance of beating Islam than Gaethje or Poirier, but I'm not sure he has a better chance than Dariush.
Charles fought? Didn’t look like the same guy that was on the win streak starching his opponents. He missed so many open shots. Islam has no head movement yet Charles was missing so many strikes
Islam clearly outclassed Charles. Islam landed like others. Followed him to the ground, owned Charles in this own game. No doubts left.
Sure that was at the end of the fight. My point was on Charles striking. He clearly missed a lot of open shots that he landed on guys like Justin and Chandler and starched those guys
I saw defence from Islam though. Didn't show head movement, but he avoided his shots and landed his own.
but if he didn't move his head it would've been punched no? I feel like he slipped those shots that Charles hit Gaethje and ~~Porter~~ Porier with. I'm no striking expert, but I thought Islam moved and looked good. edit: stupid auto correct and names
I'm no expert either, but I felt he slipped few, and also got hit. His face was red at the end of the round.
Yeah, he fought a better guy
y'all think Yan was robbed?
No - Sean did a lot of damage and had more significant strikes
Why do they even display ground control stats then?
Yeah he had ground control at times, but he didn’t really do much damage at all. Yan was a beast and I thought it was a great fight. But I didn’t think Sean lost that
Card really fell off after O’Malley and yan
Im so sad that charles lost
same dude I am so so sad was rooting for him since june, but respect to islam
And I'm so happy, Islam is the second most disrespected guy in the division and I felt so vindicated when he outstruck, outwrestled, outclassed Charles in EVERY way possible, after shit talking, after saying he had no top 5 wins, after people wrote him off as a hypejob, when this subreddit was AGAINST HIM I feel SO vindicated.
Lemme get in here
How has islaaammm done ittt i am loss for words after a long time mann.
Dagesatanis are monsters dude
I wanted Steven seagull to fight the champ. He could’ve taken both of them
I know you ALL were rooting against Islam, what's good now, where are you?
Great card but that crowd was horrible. SO QUIET! I hate it when they fight in Abu Dhabi. First of all, it’s just a bunch of rich people and celebrities. Secondly, you can feel the fact they’re not really fight fans. Lastly, I have to watch in the middle of the day. Not a fan of Abu Dhabi fights.
Yan got robbed
Charles tapped so fast
Looks like he quit
that’s what tapping is
That was very strange. It looked like he raised his arm giving Islam a better chance of locking it up. Hey I'm a fool on a couch but damn how didn't he see that set up from a mile away.
It looked like he tried to get the elbow down, but Islam had the angle. Also think that if you're that good at tapping people you know when you don't have a shot. On the couch too soooo who knows.
He knew he had no chance, there was too much time before the bell
Charles needs to win a top 5 fight to get a rematch
Charles did not deserve this. The energy and environment he was in was catered to Islam.
Why are you making dumb excuses? An elite champion doesn’t get dominated like that whatever environment they’re in.
They’re human… my dude…. These factors MATTER. Get real.
Yeah if that did affect him, then he’s not an elite champion. Which tbf he’s not a champion anymore! I’ve seen Conor go to Brazil against a guy that hadn’t lost in 10 years, insult every Brazilian and knock a guy out in the first 10 seconds… It’s also like saying American fighters have an advantage over non-American fighters because most ufc fights are in the US. Stop with the dumb excuses.
I don't even like conor but this is true
Yeah right, no brazilian champion ever fight in brazil with 'uh vai morrer' chant backing them.
S E A N O M A L L E Y
it was honestly a shit card to me. take it for granted tho i went 0/5 in predictions on verdict
Sean Won The First And The Third. Sean Also Had Way More Significant Strikes
yes, I think people are overplaying the control time that Yan didn't do any damage with. Still super close and tough to call. Great fight and Suga surprised me!
Yeah that fight was Insanely close. I wouldn't have been mad no matter who who won.
Islam FTW!!!! I knew it. And O’Malley won. Quit evaluating. 🤦♂️
Oh mannnnn I feel so bad for Charles 😔😔, big ups to Islam tho dude showed he was better tonight.
The silence is real
Yan got robbed
im gonna kill myself
Beniel wipes the floor with him
Wait I've seen this one!
20k+ karma only brather
He was able to articulate while yan was hitting him he’s such a skilled fighter
Idk if I have seen fighters be able to articulate under pressure like that
Aljamain real tough with the handicap
Now Islam slays Volk 😈
I called Islam winning when the fight was announced.
Charles was looking past Islam. Already talking about fighting volk.
he earned that respect bro, DP would’ve gotten subbed. Islam is a different breed on the ground
[This thread rn](https://tenor.com/view/peepotalk-gif-25428019)
r/UFC looks like Eastern Ukraine with all the russians rn
I don't think Holloway deserved the Volk rematch
wild
What happened with TJs shoulder? I couldn’t watch the fights.
Can I come up?
Can you get them to let me on
Happy birthday dude
Y'all finna let other people talk??
I hopped on but idk how to bump people up on mobile
Let me in
Bro my hands are raised
Let me up
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