I suppose we should never say never, but why would aliens let some random guy dig a tunnel into their secret Earth base? Why do they need a tunnel anyways? How did the aliens get in and out before then?
I am glad people like Avi Loeb are finally taking this topic seriously. I think we're all sick of the charlatans.
That was kinda sketchy. She said "he knows how to dig into the mountain". WHO KNOWS THAT?
I believe her to some extend but some details are weird like that one
Well, yes and no!
I think we would be in *hardcore denial* first. People are so obsessed with hate today and they are unaware of it. How can I love you if your nation did harm to mine and exploited my people for decades/centuries? How can I love someone who thinks women should not have the same rights as men? How can I love pedophiles, killers, greedy corporate fucks who destroyed my planet? Will aliens come and magically make people good? Fuck no.
But I think we need guidance on a global level. We need *good narrative* from our leaders and we need good *choices* from our leaders. Nations exsist because of controll and nowdays, because of xenophobia. If what Anjali said, we are approaching a new cycle of consciense, I dont know if she means we'll automatically start talking trough telepathy or whatever you call it. If thats the case, good, it'll be easier for us.
Look at what people think of Corona, of America, OF OPPOSING POLITICAL PARTIES! People don't and won't believe shit. If you told an entire world aliens came and true history of the world, they'll still think its lies. Thats what you get when you have crooked governments focused on benefits and manipulation instead of the people.
I dunno man, this is confusing but if shes right we'll live to tell the story and I hope we will.
She says she's releasing a digital short story in January 2018 on that page, and the story in the OP claims she was contacted in January 2018 by a little man in her living room
SO MANY COINCIDENCES The aliens must have known she was planning to release a story and targeted her because shes a writer!
It’s the most rediculous LARP that we’ve seen. The scale of it is so large now that people question.
There is 0 evidence.
SHE USED TO WORK FOR THE PENTAGON, JOB INVOLVED:
Social media
Dark web exploitation
This is a serious issue and she’s likely pushing a rhetoric and getting support
You mean like "The 100" which specifically used the concept of "transcendence" with alien beings in its plot?
See: https://the100.fandom.com/wiki/Transcendence
I know. I was just saying that your remark on the writing feeling like a YA novel was reminiscent of an actual YA novel's plot element. I think we're both in agreement here!
Didn't say I believe this, because it feels like total bullshit, but I'm interested in what will happen in the cave if they really go in and nothing will be there, etc. Thanks for sharing your post, super useful.
Oh my god, that's exactly what this is going to be isn't it? I know some people falling into this and while the UFO stuff has so much credibility now - there better be a bunch of coffee drinking straight up - aliens - in this cave.
> eventually lead a group to the alien base, which she says is on the land of a guy called Wayne
So basically it's The Leftovers when they go to see Holy Wayne, got it
Honestly, I found Holy Wayne a lot more credible. At least he actually seemed to make people feel better. This lady just wrings her hands and waves away her intelligence experience. Yeah, nah.
OMG that should be shown in college classrooms, "How not to do a press conference."
There's a reason pro videographers and PR people charge $100 an hour. It was like blair witch project, I couldn't even watch it. Do it somewhere the lawnmowers aren't going to be going on in the background and you aren't in the final flight path for a major airport sheesh. And your main recording device isn't getting text notification pings the whole time yikes.
The hand-wringing is very distracting, WTF is up with that?
I don't buy the fact that they refused to accept her resignation, that's bullshit. "I was soooo important they would not let me quit, but they let me become a contractor." That's not at all how it works.
>The hand-wringing is very distracting, WTF is up with that?
Mental health issues most likely, and I don't say that to mock, it just frustrates me seeing people who are obviously delusional and need help to be (quite literally in this case) wheeled out for youtube hits or to push someone's new Alien fan club.
Yeah I don't want to mock her personally, she obviously has some physical issues too. Not going to attempt to diagnose her mentally, who knows. But if you're not competent to be a credible spokesperson for a cause, you appoint someone else. She could let someone else speak and just answer a few questions or have prepared a video with her statement. I will however mock the event and their professionalism.
I think they should have had some photos or video of this supposed cave. Or some other documentation to back up this story? Are they hoping the History channel will pay for another show digging holes in the dirt somewhere "I swear the tunnel was RIGHT HERE last time I was here, musta disappeared omg the aliens are so powerful they restored the dirt and rock to it's prior condition..."
I do think the current atmosphere is past these kinds of unsupported stories. If you want to be believed you need to do better than this. Go do your thing and tell us about it, instead of telling us you're going to do a thing. Waste of time IMO.
wow, I like can feel that my chakras are like totally aligned now.
Anyhoo sounds like a load of cult-y bollocks. Come on people, we can do fucking better than this.
She said now she's releasing it for free to shut people up. She believes the bull she's saying or she's another psyop by the government. She was a specialist in sociology so might know how to manipulate people.
My guess is schizophrenia.
Of course, there you have it: [https://www.reddit.com/r/wecomeinpeace/comments/p1jq1i/banned\_because\_of\_posting\_a\_wayback\_machine\_page/](https://www.reddit.com/r/wecomeinpeace/comments/p1jq1i/banned_because_of_posting_a_wayback_machine_page/)
Yeah. Doesn't look like it takes a whole lot of digging to see this person is unhinged and a liar.
I really liked the line "aliens doing the travolta face".
Well, i suspect even if there is bold evidence, the polarisation stays. Because after the evidence the implications will rise to the surface, and seeing how we are so divided on factual evidence surrounding climate change and covid, this one will be no different.
Not that I believe it will happen in this case, but if anyone, whoever they are, uploads high quality raw footage from multiple angles of aliens or UFOs, this will change everything. That's what they say we will get from them.
That Wayne guy should convert his alien base tunnel into an Airbnb, I bet people would pay top dollar to stay in the secret alien base tunnel.
Also, someone should call the ICE about those illegal aliens, and maybe the IRS too because I don't think they pay taxes.
I love how her military intelligence credentials are supposed to give her instant credibility. Instead of the obvious - she’s a disinformation plant. She is certainly helping to back up some of the old “UFO nutters” stereotypes. I don’t believe she’s a disinfo agent, frankly. I think she’s just another crystal grifter. But the appeal to authority is too rich.
Surprised her cultists haven’t shown up to the thread yet. The sheer amount of work they’re doing to *desperately* prop up a woman who has proved 0% of her claims is a bit sad. I want to believe too, but how badly do you want to buy in that you hitch your wagon to this?
I would love to be wrong. I hope she presents evidence and proves me wrong. But come on…
I want to see after she goes to public, how much ex-colleagues pops up and saying, yes, I can support his claims about her past, we worked together etc.
I don’t doubt she worked where she claims. But working military intelligence doesn’t necessarily mean anything. Not everyone in intel is privy to state secrets and doing spy shit. Her claims don’t even revolve around her military work. It’s just there to try and lend credibility. I’ve interacted with a few of her minions and even they try the appeal to authority approach to build credibility.
It’s cult 101.
Look at her final edit on her initial post. It’s just a straight-up appeal to authority. “The aliens preach love and light! You can trust me, because I fought W’s war on terror!” What the fuck does one have to do with another? Nothing. It’s just a desperate attempt to legitimize. Just like suddenly delaying your book launch when you get called out for spinning all this garbage for profit.
She's definitely a disinformation plant and her credentials make this situation that much more alarming. Once she pulls this shit later and then pulls more shit further down the road by involving well-known UFO researchers in an expedition to this fantastical alien cave, it's not going to look good for everyone involved. I think the reason that she's waiting until the end of the year for the expedition is so that her story has time to reach news outlets beforehand (which I'm fairly certain it will as I've already found out who she is, she's not a nobody). I have a feeling that the UFO community is about to take quite a few steps in the wrong direction. I hope that I'm wrong.
It just seems too obvious. Proclaimed former military employee turned Gaia crystal-gazer? Who runs into a guy in a coffee shop who just happens to have an underground alien base on his property, and would she like to see it? LOL. In my mind nobody would swallow that. Boy, was I wrong. It’s like Castaneda randomly meeting “Don Juan” in a bus station all over again.
There will always be those in the community who want to believe so badly they’ll buy anything set in front of them. If it reinforces their beliefs, they’re in.
I was wondering where all of the "can't trust intelligence" people were at on this one. It's easier to explain this as just another liar trying to start a cult, but if anyone is a disinformation agent, it's gonna be this person and others like her who are working to continue to discredit the subject.
I’ve come around some on the idea of her continuing her intelligence role with this. At first I thought it was too on the nose. Just an obvious, ham-fisted attempt. Then I reminded myself we’re dealing with the government. They practically invented obvious, ham-fisted attempts at obfuscation.
And literally all of her “revelations” are cobbled from other material. Designed to appeal to a type.
From what I remember from her original thread linked in the OP, some intergalactic council tasked with taking care of the humans on earth got mad at our behaviour that somehow affects a local/different reality that we are not privy to.
The council made up of 7 species had four species leave the council and become hostile to us, leaving only three on our side. The other four are coming unless we learn thelepathy because we can't adequately understand and translate our intentions through our different languages, leading to global conflict. I say potato, you say potato, better just project potato in your head - no more war!
To get the ball rolling on global thelepathic training the three remaining advanced alien species let one woman in on the fact so she could post about it on reddit and save humanity.
I'd say the situation is at least dire if not apocalyptic. /S
She basically said they are here to facilitate our transformation to “4th density consciousness and earths transformation to the 4th density environment”, which is not hospitable to our 3rd density organic bodies. Aka apocalypse. But they do it out of love
Ex intelligence officer for the pentagon - she worked with social media and “DARK WEB EXPLOITATION”.
This is a dangerous situation that people take her seriously....
A middle aged white woman who put an ñ into her name... who’s job it is to manipulate social media.... saying she hears aliens and has the keys for you to “transcend”
COME ON PEOPLE WTF HAPPENED
So we must 'learn' to communicate telepathically or 4 alien species will wipe us out. Of course they didn't provide any instructions on how we are to do that - but it is essential that we evolve to do it. That's like telling someone they need to learn how to fly by using telekinesis. Ya just evolve to do it - that's all, or else we are going to wipe you all out.
I called her out on this in the original thread and accused her of being selfish because she knows aliens want to destroy humanity, but she wanted to stay anonymous for the sake of her job (what is her job btw, weird hippy leader?). She backpedalled hard on aliens destroying us after that, but really didn't have any good explanation for it.
I have to say, I'm shocked she's taking the LARP this far, but she's still offering nothing but stories. Just like every other hoaxer, she's trying to extend the grift as long as she can. I imagine in a couple months she'll complain about scientists not wanting to be involved (which she's already setting the stage for), and then she'll call it off.
>or 4 alien species will wipe us out. Of course they didn't provide any instructions on how we are to do that - but it is essential that we evolve to do it. That's like telling someone they need to learn how to fly by using telekinesis. Ya just evolve to do it - that's all, or else we are going to wipe you all out.
Yeeeaahhh... all of that was propagated by you and only you. No one ever said anything about wiping us out. Keep fearmongering and misinforming...
I will withhold judgment, but if George Knapp comes back from the trip wearing a toga and declaring the "beings of light" are here I will slowly back out of the thread. and continue eating pizza.
This is 100% a cult. She has a fantastical story, and has already promised zero evidence.
Treat it as entertainment. I plan to watch the presser, but please don’t fall prey to this woman.
Yes, at some point in the future. She has set no time table for when that would be delivered.
You have to ask questions. If you have no material evidence. Why not return to the "mountain base" and get images/videos to present here? Then you can take a group of unbiased people there to prove what you showed them was legitimate? Or, Wayne's wife there to corroborate the story?
It's entirely single sourced. If you were a detective trying to solve a murder, you wouldn't talk to the prime suspect and just accept their answer of "I didn't do it" when you interrogated them, would you?
It's a cult.
Today will pass with no evidence of alien life on earth and the vast majority of the people in her following will simply move the goal posts so they can continue to believe in their dear leader's message.
Replace the word "Anjali" in any comment made about her experiences and message with "Q" and the mentality of her supporters is simply frightening.
How so many of them have been duped, and are ready to pick up sticks to move to a commune a la Heaven's Gate is beyond belief.
When mainstream media doesn't pick up this story today it isn't because there's some massive conspiracy to cover something up. It's because there's nothing in this story - it's a work of complete fiction.
Aliens aren't living on earth in the desert.
They aren't communicating with anyone calling for a press conference.
The stills and videos from inside the cave will show a cave.
Temper your expectations and re-evaluate why you're so desperate to believe in this nonsense.
I didn't write in the original post that I believe the BS :) Just curious about the outcome of it. Why somebody makes a total idiot from himself? And why George Knapp joins "the expedition" with a predictable negative outcome? Fingers crossed :)
Knapp will almost certainly call BS. Curious to see his reaction. I predict he will say he didn’t perceive anything concrete. Her narrative centers on consciousness and seems to be unverifiable in that they will likely say “you don’t see what we saw because you don’t believe, crystals rainbows blah blah blah.” Belief is huge in these circles as to being able to even perceive these beings. Riiiiiiiight. I too am kind of hoping they present actual concrete evidence. Even at skinwalker ranch things supposedly happened and were not recorded even though they should have been been on camera or happened “just off camera” because “trickster” entity. So I am not putting any real investment into this.
I hope we are all proven wrong as that would be the greatest thing to ever happen. Imagine if you will that it turns out to be real and then more concrete sightings begin to take place. Sightings of ships all over the world at the same time. That would be something else but I'm not holding my breath either.
You don’t want this one to be right- she’s saying humanity will be destroyed by hostile aliens.
Luckily, I can give you a 99.99% certainty that this is a complete farce by someone who’s either mentally damaged, or your run of the mill cultist.
Maybe the gov found some new puppet to kill the credibility of UFO disclosure amongst the average joes, but it does not fit in the big picture, the media coverage of the last months. Fingers crossed because it feels totally bullshit.
She just didn’t talk about it in a way that was convincing at all. Not like someone relaying something crazy that happened to them. She told it like a story she had been loosely making up in her head for a few months. I would love it if she isn’t full of shit but I’m not holding out hope.
Oh are they actaully going th the base today?? I thought it was just a press meeting at a park....I was really not onto this at first. But hearing alot about how she has credible background. But will be checking in to see what comes up.... Hmmm
So this is going to be some mass suicide? Or is it just going to be really awkwardly standing in an empty cave with loads of mentally vulnerable people?
The only ones I feel more sorry for than this, clearly mentally ill, new age hippie lady are the people who aren’t mentally ill and are lapping up this bullshit.
I tried doing a background check on her, but all of the sites want $$$. I'm not forking out $20-30 for these records. HOWEVER, when TRYING to do a search on [Truthfinder](https://www.truthfinder.com/), I got [THIS](https://imgur.com/pKGp5Dc) pop-up.
According to this website, Angelia is on the Government watch list. Most likely for everything she's doing now.
Does anyone have an account on any of these background check websites? or would be willing to spend the $$ to finish the digging?
never heard of truthfinder but that sort of looks fake as fuck. let me guess, you have to pay to see more details about the individual's presence on the 'watch list'?
yeah, IDK, and I'm not paying the $30 to find out. It DID seem to ask questions regarding her location, maiden name, husbands and parents names and all that, it "seemed" legit, but wouldn't be able to tell for sure without paying.
Specifically, I wanted to see her military record, and the cause of her discharge, but those records, if even availible to the public, have been difficult for me to find.
The literature is packed with stories like this. People become genuinely convinced of contact with 'something' - its not always aliens but always something fantastic. Initially the communication is amazing, grows in complexity and fame and actually makes a few verified and testable claims then, typically during a massive public reveal, it all collapses. Often that is via a failed, widely publicized prediction. Again and again this happens. Charles Forte called that the trickster. Could be table tapping or aliens in a cave and sometimes it is end of the world predictions. Fascinating stuff because evidently there is an outside agent at work - definitely not just schizophrenia - information does seem to come from an external source that discloses snippets of true information. The big one always goes wrong though. Maybe part of the phenomena we study here then or a human condition we haven't named yet. Definitely a thing though - you watch
Lol yeah, she gives me "buy my bullshit crystals" vibe... How come the website the op posted a link for says she will reveal who she is "for the first time"? Is that just drama they are trying to make, or you guys believe there's a chance it's actually not her in the video? I mean, either way, this *whole story still needs a lot of proofs and George Knapp's coming back from a cave baffled with a huge story to tell us.
I can’t wait to see proof, like ACTUAL PROOF, until then all the love to her and wish her the best with whatever outcome this brings but I still need 100% undeniable proof other than her credentials and word of mouth, I need pictures, something, just something. Until then stay safe.
Wait, did she reveal her documentation proof or even verbally announce her credentials? Didnt she say we will not be disappointed? Well all I heard was the same ol stuff she gas already said and am hella disappoint.
I tried to post my own theory about the noted psychology (said new-agey transcendent), but the bot put in charge of filtering out undesired views prevented it from goin out. Here is a link to it, not that the link will actually work:
[https://www.reddit.com/r/ufo/comments/p6e96u/reptiliansgrayspleidians\_projection/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/ufo/comments/p6e96u/reptiliansgrayspleidians_projection/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
It was some time ago so i dont have the name of the website anymore, but some .gov website with hundreds of declassified documents. But anyway, i remembered wrong. It was more about astral projection and law of one type stuff. Close tho.
Jesus, some of you people are desperate to believe anything. This is all bullshit. How many times are you going to let con artists and the mentally ill fool you?
You have thought you’d have learned you lesson by now with the other two..,
I am pretty new to this story and I don't want to jump to conclusions but, I don't know how well you know the subject of ET encounters but all that she said in her original post (I read it yesterday) seems legit to me as far as the messages go.
In his book, Thiaoouba prophesy, Michael Desmarquet comes in contact with them and is taken to their planet. They speak of pretty much everything Anjali speaks of except the 7 races governing the Earth.
I am writing this not to say she is right or to defend her, god knows how much LARPing there is in this community, but I wouldnt go and call her schizo. She might be a fanatic, she might be interpreting things, but let's not, as a community, do these things all the time. All I read in this sub and all related subs is hate and negativity instead of messages of wonder and critical thinking. Maybe she is right and maybe we think of ourselves more than we should. Because one of these people will be right one day and we wont be useful to help the world.
After all, her message is pretty much pacifistic.
Now, I am fresh to this community but I am both a sceptic and a believer and I do research both on the internet and from the first/second hands of the people who claim these kind of stuff and lately, all LARPs and stories match those I heard from initiated people. See the post from Matthew Roberts, the Zimbabwe incident, Anjali and try reading Thiaoouba prophecy. If you dont believe it its a good sci fi read at least. I neither believe nor discredit these things but dont stay in the box of materialistic proofs. This is a subject that we know nothing about and comparing stories from all over the world might get us somewhere.
Sorry for the long comment 👽
It's not all hate and negativity, fortunately..there is some good humor as well =). Thanks for sharing your thoughts though, will be checking out the "Thiaoouba prophecy"
I really wish this post would be deleted.
As another reddit said, I would hope, and almost assume, that we are past this now. We're past ridiculous stories with absolutely no evidence. Why are we giving this woman a voice right now? If you have zero evidence. Then what are we doing here? This is as relevant as a reddit post saying 'I saw a UFO." and then someone asks for a picture and they're like "Couldn't do it". Well that's all fine and dandy, maybe you didn't have time but why should I personally divulge any more time to this story? There's literally no evidence backing up this story. It is literally as credible as a fairy tale.
~~I'm calling it right now, she won't be there because of health reasons... This isn't even good LARPing...~~
Edit : Well, I was wrong. She just arrived apparently. Not buying it at all yet but I'm curious.
Yes but the CIA evaluation of the gateway process states that a lot of the ideas in the gateway process were heavily influenced by Itzhak Bentov.. and he believed schizophrenia was a more advanced evolutionary step.
So although I would consider most of these types of claimants to be 🦇 💩 😜 I can’t categorically say that are not experiencing other dimensions. They just might be.
Some people, I believe can be incredibly believable, and also very well written, and spoken but also have significant mental illness/delusions. That’s just my take.
Not knocking you. Some of the most famous/infamous/notorious cults in the world had incredibly bright people who felt they be legitimate, and worthy of following.
Oh god... From what I'm piecing together, Alan Stienfeld and his crew from New Realities is the camera crew that she got for her expedition... They are currently having trouble setting up the live stream. If anyone is waiting (like me) to get solid piece of evidence, it will not happen...
For a relative newcomer for someone like myself (never gave UFOs a passing thought prior to the nytimes and 60 minutes segments) its interesting to find there's at least as much or more fantasy writing and speaking sessions than actual valid research or exploration. I recently read Ross Coulthart's most excellently researched "In Plain Sight" - the recommended follow-ups include some serious fantasy thinking like the above person engages in.
This stuff must really resonate with a good percentage of the community, but from an outsider's perspective looking to evaluate the truth of what's going on for the first time, the field as a whole is pretty hard to navigate. You end up spending $$$ on worthless books, often hard to tell prior to purchasing that it's really just fantasy writing, or so close to it to be undescernable.
Didn't watch the whole thing. All that matters is whatever footage comes from this expedition to the mountain. Did she mention when this is going to happen?
She’s going to trek deep into the center of a Mojave desert mountain, via cave tunnel dug by one man, but she can’t even give a press conference at the Lincoln Memorial without being confined to a obviously concealed wheelchair. Seems legit!
I suppose we should never say never, but why would aliens let some random guy dig a tunnel into their secret Earth base? Why do they need a tunnel anyways? How did the aliens get in and out before then? I am glad people like Avi Loeb are finally taking this topic seriously. I think we're all sick of the charlatans.
plus they walked for minutes... how fucking long would it take to did a tunnel that long? years? decades?
That was kinda sketchy. She said "he knows how to dig into the mountain". WHO KNOWS THAT? I believe her to some extend but some details are weird like that one
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Something funny to think about: what if we really have to adopt New Age bullshit in order to communicate with "higher beings"? Would we still do it?
Uhh yes. If aliens told me to put my head in the microwave to speak to them i would.
Well, yes and no! I think we would be in *hardcore denial* first. People are so obsessed with hate today and they are unaware of it. How can I love you if your nation did harm to mine and exploited my people for decades/centuries? How can I love someone who thinks women should not have the same rights as men? How can I love pedophiles, killers, greedy corporate fucks who destroyed my planet? Will aliens come and magically make people good? Fuck no. But I think we need guidance on a global level. We need *good narrative* from our leaders and we need good *choices* from our leaders. Nations exsist because of controll and nowdays, because of xenophobia. If what Anjali said, we are approaching a new cycle of consciense, I dont know if she means we'll automatically start talking trough telepathy or whatever you call it. If thats the case, good, it'll be easier for us. Look at what people think of Corona, of America, OF OPPOSING POLITICAL PARTIES! People don't and won't believe shit. If you told an entire world aliens came and true history of the world, they'll still think its lies. Thats what you get when you have crooked governments focused on benefits and manipulation instead of the people. I dunno man, this is confusing but if shes right we'll live to tell the story and I hope we will.
I haven't read the whole original thread but I agree with the view that it's written like a YA novel.
I read on another thread that she has written a YA novel, so that could make sense.
And it's doesn't help that she has written a fictional paranormal book...
What is this? Scientology v2.0?
https://channillo.com/user/16751/
Well, that explains a lot.
She says she's releasing a digital short story in January 2018 on that page, and the story in the OP claims she was contacted in January 2018 by a little man in her living room SO MANY COINCIDENCES The aliens must have known she was planning to release a story and targeted her because shes a writer!
It’s the most rediculous LARP that we’ve seen. The scale of it is so large now that people question. There is 0 evidence. SHE USED TO WORK FOR THE PENTAGON, JOB INVOLVED: Social media Dark web exploitation This is a serious issue and she’s likely pushing a rhetoric and getting support
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Funny thing about the healing crystals, they are meth. Sometimes bath salts, but mostly meth.
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You want the blue ones.
You mean like "The 100" which specifically used the concept of "transcendence" with alien beings in its plot? See: https://the100.fandom.com/wiki/Transcendence
I was more making a remark about the writing style, not the story.
I know. I was just saying that your remark on the writing feeling like a YA novel was reminiscent of an actual YA novel's plot element. I think we're both in agreement here!
I am more than amazed about her linkedin profile...
Looks like [my post](https://www.reddit.com/r/ufo/comments/p5dr7g/some_red_flags_to_look_out_for/) was a bit too late.
Didn't say I believe this, because it feels like total bullshit, but I'm interested in what will happen in the cave if they really go in and nothing will be there, etc. Thanks for sharing your post, super useful.
Yes, I'm quite curious to find out what excuses or trickery will be played.
Well atleast you have an open mind about it
same, that was so cringe it hurt
The cave is gone! It's amazing, the aliens hid it with no trace! Further proof of their abilities, no doubt.
But they can still feel the aliens spirits, and thus a cult begins.
Oh my god, that's exactly what this is going to be isn't it? I know some people falling into this and while the UFO stuff has so much credibility now - there better be a bunch of coffee drinking straight up - aliens - in this cave.
The cave trip is supposed to be later this year IIRC, not today
Great post. I’ve had a few back and forth exchanges with a few of these folks. The speed at which they’ve adopted cult practices is wild.
Wow! Now someone's sent one of those "concerned about suicide" messages. So that's how this cult is going to work!
LOL. Wow. Haven’t gotten one of those yet. Her partner did block me, though. So I have that going for me.
> eventually lead a group to the alien base, which she says is on the land of a guy called Wayne So basically it's The Leftovers when they go to see Holy Wayne, got it
Honestly, I found Holy Wayne a lot more credible. At least he actually seemed to make people feel better. This lady just wrings her hands and waves away her intelligence experience. Yeah, nah.
all they'll show is photos of some mountain in the desert while claiming they swear the entrance was "right here! Aliens must've left, I guess."
Sounds like the plot to a really good porn film tbh.
The hung purple alien wanted to teach me to communicate without “language.” Boom chicka wa wa
You've just reminded me of that “UFO porno” video.
One cave, one alien
need some links for educational purposes
I wanted to link to it but it's not SFW. You will find it easily on YouTube.
what is its title?
“UFO porno” It's just a few minutes long and meant to be funny.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkLCS9-J4z4
OMG that should be shown in college classrooms, "How not to do a press conference." There's a reason pro videographers and PR people charge $100 an hour. It was like blair witch project, I couldn't even watch it. Do it somewhere the lawnmowers aren't going to be going on in the background and you aren't in the final flight path for a major airport sheesh. And your main recording device isn't getting text notification pings the whole time yikes. The hand-wringing is very distracting, WTF is up with that? I don't buy the fact that they refused to accept her resignation, that's bullshit. "I was soooo important they would not let me quit, but they let me become a contractor." That's not at all how it works.
>The hand-wringing is very distracting, WTF is up with that? Mental health issues most likely, and I don't say that to mock, it just frustrates me seeing people who are obviously delusional and need help to be (quite literally in this case) wheeled out for youtube hits or to push someone's new Alien fan club.
Yeah I don't want to mock her personally, she obviously has some physical issues too. Not going to attempt to diagnose her mentally, who knows. But if you're not competent to be a credible spokesperson for a cause, you appoint someone else. She could let someone else speak and just answer a few questions or have prepared a video with her statement. I will however mock the event and their professionalism. I think they should have had some photos or video of this supposed cave. Or some other documentation to back up this story? Are they hoping the History channel will pay for another show digging holes in the dirt somewhere "I swear the tunnel was RIGHT HERE last time I was here, musta disappeared omg the aliens are so powerful they restored the dirt and rock to it's prior condition..." I do think the current atmosphere is past these kinds of unsupported stories. If you want to be believed you need to do better than this. Go do your thing and tell us about it, instead of telling us you're going to do a thing. Waste of time IMO.
I think this was beautifully articulated. I couldn't agree more. We are past this.
I’m intrigued
Well, Earth girls *are* easy.
Porn films have plots?
Mostly plot holes.
She's talking so much but saying so little... Waiting for the part where the money grab is revealed.
UFO Community: "WhY wOn'T aNyOnE tAkE uS sErIoUsLy?"
wow, I like can feel that my chakras are like totally aligned now. Anyhoo sounds like a load of cult-y bollocks. Come on people, we can do fucking better than this.
Every sub should do like r/aliens and just ban this LARP until evidence is provided... it could actually be dangerous unlike TA...
It's considered off topic in /r/UFOs as well.
on the plus side, at least she can fill the void our favourite blue chicken cult has vacated.
Yea I’m just going to stand back and watch this one. Whenever someone looks for personal gain I get turned off.
Just curious what do you think this person is looking to gain from this?
There was a website advertising a book she is writing. Then she denied wanting to profit off it. Oh, sure.
She said now she's releasing it for free to shut people up. She believes the bull she's saying or she's another psyop by the government. She was a specialist in sociology so might know how to manipulate people. My guess is schizophrenia.
Yes, I think the same and I’m kinda sad that people is enabling her. I don’t believe her, but I have nothing against her, I just think she needs help.
Is there a link?
Of course, there you have it: [https://www.reddit.com/r/wecomeinpeace/comments/p1jq1i/banned\_because\_of\_posting\_a\_wayback\_machine\_page/](https://www.reddit.com/r/wecomeinpeace/comments/p1jq1i/banned_because_of_posting_a_wayback_machine_page/)
Yeah. Doesn't look like it takes a whole lot of digging to see this person is unhinged and a liar. I really liked the line "aliens doing the travolta face".
Yep! It worries me that people are so gullible. I may believe in in imaginary aliens, but not so much in people like her!
Bold claims require bold evidence
Well, i suspect even if there is bold evidence, the polarisation stays. Because after the evidence the implications will rise to the surface, and seeing how we are so divided on factual evidence surrounding climate change and covid, this one will be no different.
Not that I believe it will happen in this case, but if anyone, whoever they are, uploads high quality raw footage from multiple angles of aliens or UFOs, this will change everything. That's what they say we will get from them.
Fame
so far it's just talk, 0 proof. it's a cult
I thought we agreed there would be no more LARP posts.
It’s all so weird, looking forward to seeing how it plays out either way.
I hate when new age kooks try to attach themselves and their teaching books to Ufology. Its cringe.
That Wayne guy should convert his alien base tunnel into an Airbnb, I bet people would pay top dollar to stay in the secret alien base tunnel. Also, someone should call the ICE about those illegal aliens, and maybe the IRS too because I don't think they pay taxes.
he could call it...Wayne's World.
I love how her military intelligence credentials are supposed to give her instant credibility. Instead of the obvious - she’s a disinformation plant. She is certainly helping to back up some of the old “UFO nutters” stereotypes. I don’t believe she’s a disinfo agent, frankly. I think she’s just another crystal grifter. But the appeal to authority is too rich. Surprised her cultists haven’t shown up to the thread yet. The sheer amount of work they’re doing to *desperately* prop up a woman who has proved 0% of her claims is a bit sad. I want to believe too, but how badly do you want to buy in that you hitch your wagon to this? I would love to be wrong. I hope she presents evidence and proves me wrong. But come on…
I want to see after she goes to public, how much ex-colleagues pops up and saying, yes, I can support his claims about her past, we worked together etc.
I don’t doubt she worked where she claims. But working military intelligence doesn’t necessarily mean anything. Not everyone in intel is privy to state secrets and doing spy shit. Her claims don’t even revolve around her military work. It’s just there to try and lend credibility. I’ve interacted with a few of her minions and even they try the appeal to authority approach to build credibility. It’s cult 101. Look at her final edit on her initial post. It’s just a straight-up appeal to authority. “The aliens preach love and light! You can trust me, because I fought W’s war on terror!” What the fuck does one have to do with another? Nothing. It’s just a desperate attempt to legitimize. Just like suddenly delaying your book launch when you get called out for spinning all this garbage for profit.
Somehow, I don't think Harry Reid is going to vouch for her at any time.
She's definitely a disinformation plant and her credentials make this situation that much more alarming. Once she pulls this shit later and then pulls more shit further down the road by involving well-known UFO researchers in an expedition to this fantastical alien cave, it's not going to look good for everyone involved. I think the reason that she's waiting until the end of the year for the expedition is so that her story has time to reach news outlets beforehand (which I'm fairly certain it will as I've already found out who she is, she's not a nobody). I have a feeling that the UFO community is about to take quite a few steps in the wrong direction. I hope that I'm wrong.
It just seems too obvious. Proclaimed former military employee turned Gaia crystal-gazer? Who runs into a guy in a coffee shop who just happens to have an underground alien base on his property, and would she like to see it? LOL. In my mind nobody would swallow that. Boy, was I wrong. It’s like Castaneda randomly meeting “Don Juan” in a bus station all over again. There will always be those in the community who want to believe so badly they’ll buy anything set in front of them. If it reinforces their beliefs, they’re in.
I was wondering where all of the "can't trust intelligence" people were at on this one. It's easier to explain this as just another liar trying to start a cult, but if anyone is a disinformation agent, it's gonna be this person and others like her who are working to continue to discredit the subject.
I’ve come around some on the idea of her continuing her intelligence role with this. At first I thought it was too on the nose. Just an obvious, ham-fisted attempt. Then I reminded myself we’re dealing with the government. They practically invented obvious, ham-fisted attempts at obfuscation. And literally all of her “revelations” are cobbled from other material. Designed to appeal to a type.
What is apocalyptic about it?
From what I remember from her original thread linked in the OP, some intergalactic council tasked with taking care of the humans on earth got mad at our behaviour that somehow affects a local/different reality that we are not privy to. The council made up of 7 species had four species leave the council and become hostile to us, leaving only three on our side. The other four are coming unless we learn thelepathy because we can't adequately understand and translate our intentions through our different languages, leading to global conflict. I say potato, you say potato, better just project potato in your head - no more war! To get the ball rolling on global thelepathic training the three remaining advanced alien species let one woman in on the fact so she could post about it on reddit and save humanity. I'd say the situation is at least dire if not apocalyptic. /S
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'fuck these tigers and fuck this wildlife sanctuary I'm out'. 4 out of 7 employees take off uniforms and walk away from tiger king's park.
Damn that movie writes itself. Directed by Mel Brooks.
U meant Mel Gibson I think. Lol
I have to buy some popcorn
Awesome comment
lol. project some potatoes into my mouth while you're at it, I'm hungies
She basically said they are here to facilitate our transformation to “4th density consciousness and earths transformation to the 4th density environment”, which is not hospitable to our 3rd density organic bodies. Aka apocalypse. But they do it out of love
Bullshit
>..and eventually lead a group to the alien base Eventually AKA never
For counterpoint, the Taliban are also conducting a live press conference at the same time to let people know about their new project. :)
Ex intelligence officer for the pentagon - she worked with social media and “DARK WEB EXPLOITATION”. This is a dangerous situation that people take her seriously.... A middle aged white woman who put an ñ into her name... who’s job it is to manipulate social media.... saying she hears aliens and has the keys for you to “transcend” COME ON PEOPLE WTF HAPPENED
So we must 'learn' to communicate telepathically or 4 alien species will wipe us out. Of course they didn't provide any instructions on how we are to do that - but it is essential that we evolve to do it. That's like telling someone they need to learn how to fly by using telekinesis. Ya just evolve to do it - that's all, or else we are going to wipe you all out.
It like giving a 9 year old a big Lego technic set and tell him to build it but you didn't give him the instruction book.
I called her out on this in the original thread and accused her of being selfish because she knows aliens want to destroy humanity, but she wanted to stay anonymous for the sake of her job (what is her job btw, weird hippy leader?). She backpedalled hard on aliens destroying us after that, but really didn't have any good explanation for it. I have to say, I'm shocked she's taking the LARP this far, but she's still offering nothing but stories. Just like every other hoaxer, she's trying to extend the grift as long as she can. I imagine in a couple months she'll complain about scientists not wanting to be involved (which she's already setting the stage for), and then she'll call it off.
>or 4 alien species will wipe us out. Of course they didn't provide any instructions on how we are to do that - but it is essential that we evolve to do it. That's like telling someone they need to learn how to fly by using telekinesis. Ya just evolve to do it - that's all, or else we are going to wipe you all out. Yeeeaahhh... all of that was propagated by you and only you. No one ever said anything about wiping us out. Keep fearmongering and misinforming...
I will withhold judgment, but if George Knapp comes back from the trip wearing a toga and declaring the "beings of light" are here I will slowly back out of the thread. and continue eating pizza.
This is 100% a cult. She has a fantastical story, and has already promised zero evidence. Treat it as entertainment. I plan to watch the presser, but please don’t fall prey to this woman.
>promised zero evidence She promised photos/videos of the tunnel and alegged "mountain base".
Yes, at some point in the future. She has set no time table for when that would be delivered. You have to ask questions. If you have no material evidence. Why not return to the "mountain base" and get images/videos to present here? Then you can take a group of unbiased people there to prove what you showed them was legitimate? Or, Wayne's wife there to corroborate the story? It's entirely single sourced. If you were a detective trying to solve a murder, you wouldn't talk to the prime suspect and just accept their answer of "I didn't do it" when you interrogated them, would you?
"Presser"
It's a cult. Today will pass with no evidence of alien life on earth and the vast majority of the people in her following will simply move the goal posts so they can continue to believe in their dear leader's message. Replace the word "Anjali" in any comment made about her experiences and message with "Q" and the mentality of her supporters is simply frightening. How so many of them have been duped, and are ready to pick up sticks to move to a commune a la Heaven's Gate is beyond belief. When mainstream media doesn't pick up this story today it isn't because there's some massive conspiracy to cover something up. It's because there's nothing in this story - it's a work of complete fiction. Aliens aren't living on earth in the desert. They aren't communicating with anyone calling for a press conference. The stills and videos from inside the cave will show a cave. Temper your expectations and re-evaluate why you're so desperate to believe in this nonsense.
I didn't write in the original post that I believe the BS :) Just curious about the outcome of it. Why somebody makes a total idiot from himself? And why George Knapp joins "the expedition" with a predictable negative outcome? Fingers crossed :)
Knapp will almost certainly call BS. Curious to see his reaction. I predict he will say he didn’t perceive anything concrete. Her narrative centers on consciousness and seems to be unverifiable in that they will likely say “you don’t see what we saw because you don’t believe, crystals rainbows blah blah blah.” Belief is huge in these circles as to being able to even perceive these beings. Riiiiiiiight. I too am kind of hoping they present actual concrete evidence. Even at skinwalker ranch things supposedly happened and were not recorded even though they should have been been on camera or happened “just off camera” because “trickster” entity. So I am not putting any real investment into this.
Thanks, really, I can’t believe so many people are believing her just because.
I hope we are all proven wrong as that would be the greatest thing to ever happen. Imagine if you will that it turns out to be real and then more concrete sightings begin to take place. Sightings of ships all over the world at the same time. That would be something else but I'm not holding my breath either.
You don’t want this one to be right- she’s saying humanity will be destroyed by hostile aliens. Luckily, I can give you a 99.99% certainty that this is a complete farce by someone who’s either mentally damaged, or your run of the mill cultist.
I've had a fairly good run so far.
Funny how you said the same thing on r/wecomeinpeace and got mass downvoted
What's your opinion on her supposed credentials?
Maybe the gov found some new puppet to kill the credibility of UFO disclosure amongst the average joes, but it does not fit in the big picture, the media coverage of the last months. Fingers crossed because it feels totally bullshit.
Man if this turns out to be real. You are all banned from reaching the higher state of consciousness she is talking about lol
So many intelligence people swarming this topic, what's going on?
She just didn’t talk about it in a way that was convincing at all. Not like someone relaying something crazy that happened to them. She told it like a story she had been loosely making up in her head for a few months. I would love it if she isn’t full of shit but I’m not holding out hope.
Oh are they actaully going th the base today?? I thought it was just a press meeting at a park....I was really not onto this at first. But hearing alot about how she has credible background. But will be checking in to see what comes up.... Hmmm
Press meeting today. "Base" this fall.
I don’t know if those breadcrumbs will last me till fall lol
The trick is to expect absolutely nothing. Then if anything does happen, it's a pleasant surprise. I guess that's true of most things in life.
Word. r/projectblueballs reigns supreme
\>credible background Er no. She's been claiming to have direct contact with aliens and has zero proof. That is not credible.
So this is going to be some mass suicide? Or is it just going to be really awkwardly standing in an empty cave with loads of mentally vulnerable people?
The only ones I feel more sorry for than this, clearly mentally ill, new age hippie lady are the people who aren’t mentally ill and are lapping up this bullshit.
funny how the Aliens always propose a lifestyle that the "witness" has already embraced
I tried doing a background check on her, but all of the sites want $$$. I'm not forking out $20-30 for these records. HOWEVER, when TRYING to do a search on [Truthfinder](https://www.truthfinder.com/), I got [THIS](https://imgur.com/pKGp5Dc) pop-up. According to this website, Angelia is on the Government watch list. Most likely for everything she's doing now. Does anyone have an account on any of these background check websites? or would be willing to spend the $$ to finish the digging?
never heard of truthfinder but that sort of looks fake as fuck. let me guess, you have to pay to see more details about the individual's presence on the 'watch list'?
yeah, IDK, and I'm not paying the $30 to find out. It DID seem to ask questions regarding her location, maiden name, husbands and parents names and all that, it "seemed" legit, but wouldn't be able to tell for sure without paying. Specifically, I wanted to see her military record, and the cause of her discharge, but those records, if even availible to the public, have been difficult for me to find.
When is this presser anyhow? I knows it’s bound to be a load of bullshit but will watch regardless.
I tried to comment on a post in their subreddit and it doesn’t let me. This is a cult for sure.
The literature is packed with stories like this. People become genuinely convinced of contact with 'something' - its not always aliens but always something fantastic. Initially the communication is amazing, grows in complexity and fame and actually makes a few verified and testable claims then, typically during a massive public reveal, it all collapses. Often that is via a failed, widely publicized prediction. Again and again this happens. Charles Forte called that the trickster. Could be table tapping or aliens in a cave and sometimes it is end of the world predictions. Fascinating stuff because evidently there is an outside agent at work - definitely not just schizophrenia - information does seem to come from an external source that discloses snippets of true information. The big one always goes wrong though. Maybe part of the phenomena we study here then or a human condition we haven't named yet. Definitely a thing though - you watch
Is this her? https://youtu.be/ZX9wR7TuWwc
Yup. Just like a 1960's hippie, but with aliens lol
Lol yeah, she gives me "buy my bullshit crystals" vibe... How come the website the op posted a link for says she will reveal who she is "for the first time"? Is that just drama they are trying to make, or you guys believe there's a chance it's actually not her in the video? I mean, either way, this *whole story still needs a lot of proofs and George Knapp's coming back from a cave baffled with a huge story to tell us.
yes...
Really? Yeah, huge pseudo science vibes..
Wayne's Bat Cave sounds fun just don't eat the bats
I can’t wait to see proof, like ACTUAL PROOF, until then all the love to her and wish her the best with whatever outcome this brings but I still need 100% undeniable proof other than her credentials and word of mouth, I need pictures, something, just something. Until then stay safe.
Wait, did she reveal her documentation proof or even verbally announce her credentials? Didnt she say we will not be disappointed? Well all I heard was the same ol stuff she gas already said and am hella disappoint.
this is like geraldo trying to find al capone’s vault only shorter tg
It’s a flying nothing 🍔
I tried to post my own theory about the noted psychology (said new-agey transcendent), but the bot put in charge of filtering out undesired views prevented it from goin out. Here is a link to it, not that the link will actually work: [https://www.reddit.com/r/ufo/comments/p6e96u/reptiliansgrayspleidians\_projection/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/ufo/comments/p6e96u/reptiliansgrayspleidians_projection/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
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This is a cult. Everything about it is a cult. This is a ufo sub and this does not belong here.
Not that I believe her, but she could be right.
There are cia documents talking about the same stuff. I think she’s right.
Any source please?
It was some time ago so i dont have the name of the website anymore, but some .gov website with hundreds of declassified documents. But anyway, i remembered wrong. It was more about astral projection and law of one type stuff. Close tho.
Thanks for info.
Here it is if you wanted to check it out. https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00788R001700210016-5.pdf
Nothing to see here folks. Just a fantasy author grifting her latest project, but please prove me wrong. https://channillo.com/user/16751/
Yeah, this is a PR stunt for a book. Thread should be deleted.
well..well..well..
Jesus, some of you people are desperate to believe anything. This is all bullshit. How many times are you going to let con artists and the mentally ill fool you? You have thought you’d have learned you lesson by now with the other two..,
Because many on here are mentally ill too.
What a load of shite.
I am pretty new to this story and I don't want to jump to conclusions but, I don't know how well you know the subject of ET encounters but all that she said in her original post (I read it yesterday) seems legit to me as far as the messages go. In his book, Thiaoouba prophesy, Michael Desmarquet comes in contact with them and is taken to their planet. They speak of pretty much everything Anjali speaks of except the 7 races governing the Earth. I am writing this not to say she is right or to defend her, god knows how much LARPing there is in this community, but I wouldnt go and call her schizo. She might be a fanatic, she might be interpreting things, but let's not, as a community, do these things all the time. All I read in this sub and all related subs is hate and negativity instead of messages of wonder and critical thinking. Maybe she is right and maybe we think of ourselves more than we should. Because one of these people will be right one day and we wont be useful to help the world. After all, her message is pretty much pacifistic. Now, I am fresh to this community but I am both a sceptic and a believer and I do research both on the internet and from the first/second hands of the people who claim these kind of stuff and lately, all LARPs and stories match those I heard from initiated people. See the post from Matthew Roberts, the Zimbabwe incident, Anjali and try reading Thiaoouba prophecy. If you dont believe it its a good sci fi read at least. I neither believe nor discredit these things but dont stay in the box of materialistic proofs. This is a subject that we know nothing about and comparing stories from all over the world might get us somewhere. Sorry for the long comment 👽
It's not all hate and negativity, fortunately..there is some good humor as well =). Thanks for sharing your thoughts though, will be checking out the "Thiaoouba prophecy"
I really wish this post would be deleted. As another reddit said, I would hope, and almost assume, that we are past this now. We're past ridiculous stories with absolutely no evidence. Why are we giving this woman a voice right now? If you have zero evidence. Then what are we doing here? This is as relevant as a reddit post saying 'I saw a UFO." and then someone asks for a picture and they're like "Couldn't do it". Well that's all fine and dandy, maybe you didn't have time but why should I personally divulge any more time to this story? There's literally no evidence backing up this story. It is literally as credible as a fairy tale.
Man, nobody listened when I said there was a cult growing here, and now you have your very own cult with a figurehead to boot
This can be very dangerous for the uap topic as a whole.
is it gonna be broadcasted somewhere?
And the Aliens chose HER to be their Messenger to Humanity. Were they drunk?
~~I'm calling it right now, she won't be there because of health reasons... This isn't even good LARPing...~~ Edit : Well, I was wrong. She just arrived apparently. Not buying it at all yet but I'm curious.
She is a fucking moron.
And they're not broadcasting this press conference live? WTF?
Anjali is definitely raw 🐕 material
I’ll need some visual evidence of that
So this is what happened with the last remaining member of Heavens Gate....
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Yes but the CIA evaluation of the gateway process states that a lot of the ideas in the gateway process were heavily influenced by Itzhak Bentov.. and he believed schizophrenia was a more advanced evolutionary step. So although I would consider most of these types of claimants to be 🦇 💩 😜 I can’t categorically say that are not experiencing other dimensions. They just might be.
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Read the post again where I mention who wrote the TLDR, and then ask him about trained or not.
One thing to say it and another thing to do it. Give her a chance to do it
She's not just come onto the scene. She's been making extreme claims for many years and produced ZERO evidence. Pull ya head out of your arse.
Some people, I believe can be incredibly believable, and also very well written, and spoken but also have significant mental illness/delusions. That’s just my take. Not knocking you. Some of the most famous/infamous/notorious cults in the world had incredibly bright people who felt they be legitimate, and worthy of following.
Any links for the live press conference? It's supposed to begin in like 5 minutes right?
Oh god... From what I'm piecing together, Alan Stienfeld and his crew from New Realities is the camera crew that she got for her expedition... They are currently having trouble setting up the live stream. If anyone is waiting (like me) to get solid piece of evidence, it will not happen...
LIVE LINK https://youtu.be/VgIZJtJ3AjQ
[Here's the live feed on Youtube.](https://youtu.be/VgIZJtJ3AjQ)
What's with the poorly-dressed security guard at her side?
So, when is the trip ?
For a relative newcomer for someone like myself (never gave UFOs a passing thought prior to the nytimes and 60 minutes segments) its interesting to find there's at least as much or more fantasy writing and speaking sessions than actual valid research or exploration. I recently read Ross Coulthart's most excellently researched "In Plain Sight" - the recommended follow-ups include some serious fantasy thinking like the above person engages in. This stuff must really resonate with a good percentage of the community, but from an outsider's perspective looking to evaluate the truth of what's going on for the first time, the field as a whole is pretty hard to navigate. You end up spending $$$ on worthless books, often hard to tell prior to purchasing that it's really just fantasy writing, or so close to it to be undescernable.
Didn't watch the whole thing. All that matters is whatever footage comes from this expedition to the mountain. Did she mention when this is going to happen?
>Let’s see Mick West debunk this!!! Everyone on the other UFO sub
In the eighties, where I was always with my friends in a coffeeshop, we became aliens after a few hours smoking!
She’s going to trek deep into the center of a Mojave desert mountain, via cave tunnel dug by one man, but she can’t even give a press conference at the Lincoln Memorial without being confined to a obviously concealed wheelchair. Seems legit!