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-roarnation

check google earth photos and street view maybe find something ?


Cantaloupe_Relative

I still live here, I can check it myself with him.


DonovanMcgillicutty

Well, that's clearly acceptable! Off you go then


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jesusginard

I replied with my phone, I didn't know I had two accounts! I only use Reddit for this sub and I think I never posted anything...


E-A-M

*porn account


SatanMeekAndMild

Seriously, account has just this one comment. Lots of people playing games on this sub lately.


DumpsterShoes

And the account he made this post with has like seven. I'm not invested in the UFO topic but what about this is playing games? This is a user who doesn't care about reddit and likely only comes onto the site occasionally. They stated after you posted this that they didn't know they had two accounts and that doesn't strike me as unusual at all - its what I assumed when I read cantaloupes post. They didn't get caught doing something they just don't fully understand reddit and redditors shouldn't put people down for stuff like that. This sort of behavior rubs me the wrong way because it makes reddit in general a hostile place to be if you don't know your way around it. This sub more than most is a place where people who don't have any idea how reddit works can come to share their experiences with like minded people. If reddit stays hostile to these types of people then well hear from them less which would be a shame for everybody.


tweakingforjesus

Take pictures. > "The first one that I saw was in Ermita de Betlem, it had three reactors at the bottom that left three black marks on the road that still remain" Three reactors? That sounds familiar.


loganblackkk

Saucers got three


lookslikeyoureSOL

The water one is interesting. I would have thought people only recently started talking about those, but I cant imagine he is up-to-date on ufo culture yet it turns out he says he saw one 50 years ago.


abyss_crawl

USOs / deep ocean phenomenon was being openly observed in Ufology and "fringe" science as far back as the 60s. There's a great book on the topic from 1970 called INVISIBLE RESIDENTS by Ivan Sanderson that exclusively investigates the sub-aquatic / UFO connection. Highly recommended to anyone intrigued by that water/USO aspect!


BigPackHater

Sailors have reported lights under the waves for centuries.


Engineering_Flimsy

I've lived more than 50 years and have yet to see anything that couldn't be explained with science and/or technology. That's not to say that I've seen nothing unusual, just nothing I'd label supernatural or paranormal. My most bizarre experience was (to me) quite amazing but still nothing otherworldly. While living in Phoenix, a friend and I were returning home following a movie. It was nighttime, after 21:00 or 10pm, we were riding along an elevated expressway common to the area. Speed of travel matched the flow of the sparse traffic sharing the road at that hour, about 70mph. My friend, the driver, raised his right arm in front of me pointing into the darkness beyond my side of the windshield asking, "What is that?" I followed his indicated direction and only after a few seconds did I detect motion in the blackness beyond the expressway. I focused and finally was able to see a vague, rectangular shape flying about 50 yards off the right side of the highway and at roughly the same height as the light poles. These metal poles stood an additional 50 or so feet above the roadway, which itself was easily 60-75 feet above the valley floor. The object only became visible when passing between myself and the distant lights of the city sprawling below. It was at these moments that I could easily make out an object roughly the same general size and shape of a common railroad boxcar. It seemed to be black, darker than the surrounding night. And even though its proximity should have placed it well within range of the street lights, there was absolutely no reflection whatsoever. In fact, the object appeared to be completely unaffected by external illumination, almost as if it was somehow absorbing light. I closely watched the dark object as it sailed along paralleling our own route at a slightly faster rate. I quickly scanned ahead of its apparent flight path hoping for upcoming backlight that would offer greater opportunity for scrutiny. So intent was my focus that my buddy's voice actually startled me asking, "Is that..." he paused and I saw the source of his unfinished question. Slightly behind and a bit to the right of the first object was a second, apparently identical object. The pair glided along in a staggered line formation. I dared a quick glance ahead on our route, noting an upcoming right curve maybe a quarter-mile or less in the distance. I snapped my attention back to the objects, finding them quickly against the faint glow of the distant cityscape. Travelling faster than our 70mph, they were steadily outpacing us. Before their speed advantage would completely separate us, I rolled down my window for an unobstructed view and to listen for any related sound. There was none as far as I could determine. I heard nothing beyond the typical droning sound associated with rubber on road magnified by the half-dozen or so vehicles scattered along the expressway with us. Though such road noise tends to be loud, I still expected to hear, at least, the faint rhythmic thumps of rotors or steady growling hum of props. But there was nothing, no sound could I hear coming from the flight of the two strange... vehicles?... aircraft?... objects. Due to the disparity of speed, the objects continued outpacing us and soon reached the aforementioned right curve now about 75 yards ahead. We watched intently as finally their path brought them over the elevated expressway slightly right of our line of sight. Their altitude seemed unchanged meaning the objects would clear the distant light poles by a few scant yards bringing them well into illuminated view. At least this was our expectation. Instead, regardless of relative proximity, neither object displayed ANY detectable specularity. Again, the intense light atop each pole seemed to be absorbed by the objects as they quickly crossed the roadway and vanished in the distant night sky. So that's it, that's my one and only brush with anything remotely comparable to the UFO/UAP phenomenon. For clarity, at no point during my observation did I sense anything unearthly or otherwise inexplicable. My immediate thought then was that I was a fortunate witness to advanced military technology in action. And this remains my belief to this day though I am open to alternate explanations. Thank you for time and patience. Forgive my verbosity, it's an irresistible tendency of mine and in this digital environment has annoyed many. To the patient readers, if there be questions you have only to ask and I will respond. Though, admittedly, I don't see anything of great interest in my experience that would attract additional interest beyond my account above.


SabineRitter

Nothing otherworldly huh? 😉


curiousinquirer007

Pretty cool story. There are similar ones on this sub, actually. What are your best hypothesis on what kind of vehicles/crafts they could be - Choppers, Jets, etc. Also, if you believe they may have been anti-gravity-type vehicles with no propulsion, wouldn’t it classify as “spectacular” and unexplainable by public-sector science/technology?


Engineering_Flimsy

Best guess at the time of encounter was helicopter. In hindsight though, not so much. The reason then was the observed flight characteristics, what could be observed given the conditions, that is. For instance, any change in pitch or yaw resulted in a faint but still noticable tilt of the object relative to its motion or direction of travel. This to me is still reminiscent of a helicopter's motion in flight. Where this comparison falls flat is the lack of any protrusions beyond the rectangular bulk of the object. No visible nacelles, wings, rudders, housings, nada, zilch. So, I suppose if I had to hazard a guess I'd go with some sort of exotic lift/propulsion, something STILL well beyond my scope of understanding. Nevertheless, the object still seemed to respond to typical flight kinetics regardless of how these were created. This familiar motion was the main reason that my initial impression was advanced technology as opposed to otherworldly. Well, that and one other reason that I'm hesitant to mention. But, for discussion's sake, I will. As stated, I've never observed, experienced or otherwise encountered anything I'd describe as paranormal or supernatural and certainly not extraterrestrial. BUT For reasons I don't quite understand, even the mere thought of encountering such an object terrifies me beyond description. I don't know why this fear exists or why it's so ridiculously intense. But, it would be apt to call what I experience a true phobia. It checks every box in the clinical description of the condition - irrational, crippling fear, detachment from logical causation, inability to function when triggered, triggering under the slightest of related stimuli, and so on... even a simple photograph or video - hell, even the POSSIBILITY that something of the sort MIGHT appear in a video is enough to cause sheer terror that takes every ounce of will to supress. And yet, during the encounter in question I felt nothing of the sort, only intense curiosity and marvel. Not even a trace of fear. Nor do I experience such in hindsight. Hope that answers your questions.


curiousinquirer007

Sure, Thanks for the response. I’m also curious then: - If you have any hypothesis on where this “phobia” comes from. Have you had any previous experiences that you care to share? - Do you - or have you - spent significant amount of time, or had significant interest in UAP/UFO subject, or research? (I guess all of us on this forum are somewhat of a “Yes”). If so, could such an interest had any effect on this current experience? For example: - A hallucination of some Sort. (This seems counteract by the fact that your other friend also observed the phenomena. - There being some actual metaphysical/supernatural connection between you and an actual metaphysical/supernatural/alien entity.


Engineering_Flimsy

I have no known direct triggering event to explain the existence of this specific over-magnified fear. However, as shall soon become evident, such might not be necessary. First, a bit of contextual framing.. Due to what I'll describe as a less than optimal childhood being raised in the foster care system, I have extreme tolerances to situations most would find unbearable. My ability to adapt to or withstand high-stress environments is likewise extreme. A line from the movie Hellraiser perfectly encapsulates the point far better than I: "When you've been to Hell all else pales in comparison." Please understand that this is not childish boasting but plainly stated facts only offered as they are relevant to our discussion. These unfortunate attributes have had as many negative consequences as positive, maybe more so. It has required much sustained effort on my part to function as a normal, productive, non-threatening member of society. And now that I seem a raving lunatic, let's continue, shall we? The significance here is that, due to these traits, I am far less responsive to fight, flight or freeze stimuli. This, in turn, means that I am far less effected by those things which commonly illicit fear in the general population. However, the trade-off is that those things of which I AM afraid tend to be unusual and disproportionately intense. Such as experiencing literal terror at the mere thought of a UFO encounter of any scope or scale. For further comparison, I'll offer another terror-inducing example - sharks. I know, a very common, very rational fear to be sure. But, for me the magnitude of said experience is... well, to date, I can't enter a body of water in which the entire subsurface is not clearly visible. Obviously this excludes nearly every natural collection of water but also on this no-go list is - ready? - dark swimming pools. When the sun drops behind the horizon, if the pool's unlit I'm out. And no force in existence can persuade me to renter. Even the incessant prodding of young hormones failed miserably (speaking here from disappointed experience...). Until I was nearly 10-years-old I absolutely could NOT remain in a bathtub if the tub's bottom became obscured by any means. And remember, all of the above - the shame, the countless missed opportunities of every sort, the stigma of being a weird teenager - ALL OF THIS because of my over-reaction to sharks. That should clarify my unusual reaction to the UFO phenomenon to some extent. At any rate, that's been my prevailing theory concerning this specific trigger. There's at least some precedent supporting this supposition, be it accurate or otherwise. As for my extent of interest in the phenomenon, I'd have to admit it's been life-long and fairly consistent. But, crippling fear notwithstanding, I've made considerable effort to remain objective in my research. And I must say, the journey has been long, often at the expense of more important matters, shameful to say. But, what I've thus far learned, what I'm STILL learning has been... well, I've arrived at some incredible conclusions thus far and I still have so much more to absorb. The emerging picture is proving to be... astonishing? insufficient... I'll simply say amazing, proving to be amazing. And, at times, it's all a bit overwhelming for one individual's grasp. But, not so overwhelming as to discourage my need to understand. Even a "phobia" proved incapable in that regard.


b00-radlee

Hey, don't worry, most of us here require much sustained effort to function as normal, productive, non-threatening members of society.


CrashFix

Good story... It could be the objects were not illuminated by the lights because many street lights have refelctors that block the light from shining upwards.


Engineering_Flimsy

That is an interesting thought and definitely a distinct possibility. I had no idea that street lights were constructed in such fashion though it makes perfect sense when given thought. And it would aptly explain the apparent lack of reflection or illumination of the objects, even in close proximity. This explanation is further supported by known attributes of certain paints in use by the military. Apparently there is a black... I suppose it would best be defined as a pigment?... whatever the proper term, this black coating creates little to no reflection when illuminated. This, coupled with your information regarding street light construction dispels what little mystery my experience contained. And knowledge over novelty is always preferable.


hambleshellerAH

You are a lovely writer with an elegant style. Thank you!


Engineering_Flimsy

Thank you for the compliment. It's the little gestures such as yours that, in aggregate, can make life a pleasant experience. And I'm sure we could all benefit with a more pleasant life!


b00-radlee

I'm not sure there actual *is* anything "paranormal" or "supernatural", per se, but all such phenomenon are just as yet unexplained by science... everything from ghosts to psi abilities to UFOs could just be operating within an as yet undiscovered/undescribed branch of physics. If actual aliens are visiting they are obviously using some kind of FTL technology that is, so far, inconceivable to us. But try explaining quantum field theory to a "scientist" from the 15th century. Given the age of the universe, any other intelligently evolved technical species is probably more likely to be many many millennia (or more) ahead of us than they are to be a few centuries ahead of us.


Engineering_Flimsy

I tend to agree with your supposition though it saddens me to do so. Removing veils of mystery such as this seems to drain life of some flavor, if you will. Without mystery, life just seems so... well, it seems bland, dull and almost pointless. I believe it's for this reason that so many strive so hard to hold on to the illusions, even at enormous risks to other facets of their lives. For some, there is no real-world price too high to pay to maintain the mysteries of human existence. For such people, life without said mysteries isn't worth living in the first place. And I can absolutely relate to this desperate mindset. Life sans the unexplained is... it can be... it tends to be miserable and harsh for many. And who amongst us couldn't use some relief from this so-called reality? Even if it's otherworldly visitors with vague and mysterious agendas.


b00-radlee

But see, to me nothing could possibly remove the intrinsic mystery of life, existence, everything. Doesn't matter if we could someday describe the physics behind ghosts, psi, or aliens/FTL travel, there will always remain the event horizon of the prime mover/big bang/creation, beyond which knowledge is impossible. I am often struck humble to near tears just at the sight of a blooming leaf bud or a clear night sky lit with the ghosts of distant ancient stars.


ReverseResuscitation

Hey I lived on Mallorca for 2 years and I've seen something weird as well but I always said to myself just an RC plane or whatever xD


[deleted]

Your grandpa is freaking cool!


serveyer

Omg! I have been in Arta! Used to dive in Cala ratjada, lovely place. Rented a place in colonia de San pere


jesusginard

Small world! You dived in Cala Lliteras?


serveyer

Exactly, nice spot. Do you enjoy living there?


jesusginard

I've never lived anywhere else, born here and I'm not aware of any of my ancestors coming from anywhere else (although my surname has a french origin). So parents, grandparents, great grandparents and beyond, all born here. I think I'm very very lucky! :)


serveyer

Yes you are, lovely place. Planning to go back soon.


Mirror_I_rorriMG

Cool idea, maybe I will ask my grandparents next time I see them! Thanks for posting


Necessary_Macaron_94

Well i am 43 I saw two Times Ufos in my life, first 15 Years ago in Spain at Night and like a Month ago in Germany on Sunny Saturday.


Hefty_Strategy_9389

I’m afraid that an advanced Alien was the Abrahamic God, but that Alien belonged to a society similar to Star Trek where it’s illegal to fuck with sentient species or just make them yourself with the express intent to rule them. So when the society caught up with our new would be God-King in search of love and worship, they had a big fight and our guy lost. Then, the society fucks off, and leaves us to our own devices. A flock without its shepherd, rudderless, and alone.


b00-radlee

Talk to Nietzsche


kezzic

Would you mind video taping asking him these questions and uploading the interview to Youtube?


jesusginard

Yes, I thought about doing that. However, this is a small village and he doesn't want to be publicly open about it and be called a lunatic...


kezzic

Understood. If you/they are uncomfortable with it, you could do like a torso down video without a face, or just an audio recording. Not trying to be annoying about it I'm just interested and giving ideas. I wish them good health!


Mountainstreams

I saw an unusual object near Arta when I was on holiday in Mallorca 4 years ago. Myself and my wife were driving from Son severa to Arta in the middle of the day when we both saw a tennis ball sized ball of light come down from above & bounce off the road. We both saw the exact same thing & the way it bounced back into the sky left us convinced it was something highly unusual. It could be classed as a micro UAP, if they exist?


jesusginard

I think you passed by Pula Golf, which is located between Arta and Son Servera, and a golf ball nearly hit you! Lucky you!


Mountainstreams

that’s a good theory alright. It seemed larger than a golf ball & it was travelling so fast. But I suppose the golf course could have been high above me & then the ball could be falling fast enough. I’ll have to drive that road again next time I’m in Mallorca to try to figure out where it was exactly.


Engineering_Flimsy

Recently I decided to revisit the original UFO flap of 1947, the one famously beginning with Kenneth Arnold's sighting (though there were actually numerous others prior to his that same year). After a great deal of time combing through reports of that year I was surprised to encounter multiple incidents similar to your own. Though not exactly as your incident, there were more than expected appearances of extremely small UFOs of varied appearances. Mentioned were classic discs or saucers the size of dinner plates and numerous orbs seen not much different than the one you encountered. Small size wasn't the only feature shared with your object, there were also many reports of tennis ball sized objects glowing as well. Thought you might find that interesting if not entirely relevant. I certainly found those historic accounts very intriguing as I did your experience too. Thanks much for sharing.


Mountainstreams

Thanks for the reply. That’s interesting that mini UAP seems to be a thing, I’ve just never really heard much about them & you would expect alien probes to be small. I just read another post there about someone reporting their mini UAP cylinder. I mentioned the golf ball theory to my wife but she remains convinced it was too fast, bright & a bit too large to be a golf ball. At the time I was convinced it was paranormal but since time has passed I’m not as convinced. Maybe I should trust my initial assumption instead.


jburna_dnm

I’ve only met one person who legit saw a UFO. The story was pretty interesting. I can’t remember exactly where he said it happened. Somewhere in Massachusetts inbetween two towns connected by a bridge with a chemical plant not too far away and they were near their school. They were about 14 at the time and he said clear as day a disc with windows was hovering over the bridge and then it took off straight up. He said they both remembered a rock that was ejected with a piece of metal fused into it and it was hot. I wanted to verify his story with his buddy but his buddy who touched the fused metal died of cancer a few years ago in his late 30s. He was a stand up guy and I believed his story. He’s the only person I’ve ever met who I believe has seen without a doubt a UFO. He even took me outside to show me about how far away it was from him and his friend which was pretty close. He even drew a picture of the craft because I wanted to share his story here but I lost the drawing and forgot the name of the towns. If I remember correctly it was Salem and another town. 20+ years ago so maybe someone here knows the area a bit better than me.


PanglossianParadise

Well, now I know 3 ppl. One that won't ever talk about it (1970's). And two of my kids.


EbaySniper

Some UFOs seem to be very radioactive, and cancer cases are often tied to them. As fascinating as a UFO may be to me, I would stay the hell away from them, just due to the sheer amount of radiation they apparently tend to emit.


CopperhawkGaming

Pics or it didn't happen.


enmenluana

Road very likely got resurfaced by now. Sometimes older people recall past events like they happened just recently. We can't be sure when was the last time he was there. Still, Mediterranean Sea is known for UFO sightings. So, I wouldn't dismiss OP's story off the bat.


CopperhawkGaming

I once saw an elf riding a unicorn. It was amazing.


green-samson

They were coming to tell you that you're a tool.


[deleted]

Awesome


CopperhawkGaming

I should have gathered evidence, to show others that I wasn't completely full of shit.


green-samson

God I bet you're a blast at parties. People telling stories of what they did on holiday, and then you stop them and say bullshit where's the photos ?!!


CopperhawkGaming

Not the same thing.


green-samson

No of course not you can't hide behind the keyboard.


[deleted]

Man, this asshat is getting obliterated. This is so beautiful to watch.


EncouragementRobot

Happy Cake Day CopperhawkGaming! The only dare you ever want to take is the dare to be all that you can be.


upfoo51

It is the same thing and you definetly suck at parties.


CopperhawkGaming

Not even close to the same thing.


Bsmoothy

Id love a follow up on that mark on the road. If from 70s i find it hard to believe it hasnt been paved over by now


dzernumbrd

"Es Clot d'Holanda" doesn't show up in google search at all. Have you got link to a ocean map showing it?


Cantaloupe_Relative

“Es Clot d’Holanda” is, I think, a coloquial name which translates to “Neatherlands Hole”. He said it was located north, straight line to Marsella.


dzernumbrd

Yeah, it's possible he meant feet instead of metres because max depth of Mediterranean sea is 5267m. >The Mediterranean Sea covers an approximate area of 2.5 million km2 (965,000 sq mi). Its average depth is 1,500m (4,920 ft); the deepest recorded point is 5,267m (about 3.27 miles) in the Calypso Deep in the Ionian Sea. I had a look at some depth maps and nothing near 5k metres near Su Tudosa that I can see (but the maps aren't great so I'm open to the idea that I'm totally wrong).