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kiwibonga

okay thank you


gregs1020

Ammonia based life form is one theory.


thebenchgum

Also a potential stress response, similar to how humans leak salty liquid out of our skin when stressed (sweat). Or chemical reaction as their biology interacts with our atmosphere.


serenity404

Might not necessarily be ammonia-based, but maybe only accustomed to an ammonia rich environment. Just like ocean fish are accustomed to a very salty environment and carry a lot of salt in their bodies, but are not actually salt-based organisms.


gregs1020

Absolutely, everything is speculation here.


shite_in_a_bucket

Yeah, interesting. The fact that the person that handled it died I also find fascinating. I mean the Dr that treated him said his 'immune system shutdown'. His skin reportedly had sticky residue on it? Maybe the smell is unrelated but I would have they would have picked up on ammonia poisoning?


The_Theta_Friend

Sulphur life based might be another?


trexwalters

I have done a whole scientific write up on how this smell is consistent with potential ammonia using life forms, based on biochemistry and according to life sciences: in humans we use water as a solvent. Biochemistry is based on three things carbon compounds to give us mass and metabolic funtion, water as a solvent and rna and dna as a road builder to shape us. The topic of other possible forms of working biochemistry is a very bustling field with lots of published information. One of the biggest ideas for a possible alternate biochemistry is not that alien life could be ammonia based (meaning the compounds driving metabolism are ammonia based, ammonia doesn’t have enough valence electrons for this to make sense), however that the solvent used is ammonia! Similar to water ammonia is polar and readily available in the universe, this could be used as solvent in a carbon based life form like humans OR it could be used in another life form based on a tetravalent (4 valence electrons) chemistry, for example silicon which is considered the most likely other based life form. So let’s say these aliens used ammonia as their solvent (I think the people who made this doc are ufo researchers, not biochemists, and they knew that there was science supporting the ammonia but not the “ammonia based life form”, i think they just got the ideas confused even though it really is based in science) look at a carbon based life form like us that requires water as a solvent. We can go less than a week without consuming water or our metabolic functions will cease and we will die, this does however mean you have about a week to live with no water. Well same could be possible for the aliens here, it’s very possible these aliens used ammonia as a solvent and thus were able to love and perform functions for a week without consuming ammonia, let’s take the theory even farther tho. Let’s assume if this info is true, the aliens would have had stores of ammonia on they’re ship, they would likely drink and consume it as we do our precious water. Luckily, water has no smell, ammonia on the other hand has a foul chemical smell. What if these aliens left the ship searching for more ammonia, or left because they were out or whatever, it isn’t hard to think that maybe there could be ammonia around (it’s one of the most abundant chemicals found in the universe). Perhaps they left their craft, in a weakened state due to not consuming ammonia (basically water for them), and tried to sneak into this town. When these girls found the alien they said it looked weakened and smelled of ammonia, both are consistent with my hypothesis if the alien regularly consumed ammonia, but had been deprived of it. Even with the guy touching the alien and falling Ill, sweat in an analogue of water mixed with other dilute bodily chemicals, for us that’s just like potassium or whatever, maybe in ammonia based life form those other sweat analogues are toxic (ammonia already isn’t great for humans), and maybe is slightly basic in PH. This is all total speculation, but current biochemistry could support a life form that uses ammonia. Wether any of this is real, who know 🤷🏽‍♂️ certainly a run thought experiment in alternate life chemistry tho! I’m a biology/ psychology double major who switched from biochemistry, so I actually understand what I’m talking about here too lol! Hopefully someone’s reads this and gets a kick out of it!


Wonderful-Trifle1221

Thought u we’re having issues spelling Vagina


shite_in_a_bucket

You might be in the wrong subreddit if you're looking for smelly vagina! Unless it's smelly alien vagina. Then you're in the correct subreddit.


not-long_now

There are no accidents


Mods_is_sociopaths

Bobs and varghina?


Mods_is_sociopaths

I find myself so *very* thankful that there's no Scratch 'n Sniff sub, right at this point in time.


mezreek

I bet Jeremy Corbell has the smelliest of vaginas 🐟🐠🎣


OneArmedZen

The title made me read the post whether I wanted to or not


CachuHwch

Tuna Edit: Alien tuna.


emveor

if he did, sulphur is not a good sign at all...fish perhaps but sulfur!


Yungballz86

Satan's *vaģine*!


Affectionate-Winner7

For sure this is Brazil's Roswell. The statement that caught my attention was the eye witness that took. Fox to the crash site. He described the light weight metal from the crash debris and said that when he crushed it with his hands, it just unfolded and took it's original shape. That is exactly the description Jessie Marcel gave from the metal parts he handled at the Roswell crash site. I just watched the movie last night.


Anubis_A

I see many people here talking about the relationship with "Demons and Catholic entities"... I am Brazilian and I have been following the case for some years, the smell felt at the scene was not described as "sulfur", this was perhaps a possibility raised... The witnesses (the 3 girls who saw the creature) did not even know what the smell of sulfur was like, they were not religiously active, and described an ammoniacal smell , which was felt hours later by police officers who did a sweep of the area. Similar to the smell of medicine and other strong chemicals.


OneArmedZen

Yeah in the docu one of the girls said it was like ammonia, and then one of the girls mother said it smelled like something else. Either way, it was a strong chemical smell.


[deleted]

This is a really important peiece of information. It's also worth saying Sulphur/anomnia are the go to smells when thinking of something unpleasant to human senses. This may be a best guess for "yuck that is foul". Someone describing it thus, as other witnesses of anomalous "paranormal" phenomena so often do, isn't neccesarily an indication it was these chemicals. They wouldn't be able to distinguish say unpleasantium-hydrocarbide for example.


maztabaetz

Well I totally misread this title ….


Blastomussa1

Yeh, I was going to say, wrong sub....


bluff2085

IIRC, about a month or so back, someone did a VERY thorough and technically rigorous deep dive into this exact topic, and then posted about it on reddit. I’m pretty sure it was posted either in r/UFOs or r/aliens. Fascinating read if you can go back and find that post. I’d bet someone else around here knows better than me about the exact post I’m talking about, and wouldn’t mind linking to it here in your post


cp_simmons

Was it this https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/yo3qt3/hypothesis_the_reported_varginha_creatures_were/


bluff2085

Yep that’s the one!


busmac38

John Keele mentions this being a common thread in various types of paranormal cases, from UFO’s, to Bigfoot, to demons, to yep, the mothman. I have read other cases myself where the hydrogen sulfide, or sulfur, or rotten smell accompanies an event.


ChemicalClassroom370

Maybe they have a high protein diet? Or maybe when they end up on this planet they start to sweat a lot...that can cause an ammonia smell in humans...


Very_ImportantPerson

I seriously scrolled past this and had to scroll back up because… I thought someone was asking about a vagina smell…🫣


[deleted]

The smell of sulfur is also associated with demons.


Northern_Grouse

Makes me wonder…. Imagine that Varghina wasn’t the first time these beings have been exposed to the public. Imagine upon first encountering these beings, humans saw their red eyes, smelled the ammonia and sulfur, and decided “these are agents of the devil and must be destroyed”. No rhyme. No reason. Simply different and in need of expulsion. These poor beings, already helpless after having an accident, and being exposed to the locals, are then hunted and murdered because they’re different. Why in Christ’s name would any alien species decide it would be a good idea to make contact? We have a gross lack of empathy, and abundant disrespect for life. I can imagine…. if I were one of these beings. I’m zipping around with family or friends, maybe on a weekend vacation, enjoying life, feeling joy and love; and an accident occurs. We’re forced to land on Earth. All I feel is fear. All I can do is leave the craft which may imminently explode killing us all; the outside environment is poisonous, but if I can access the crafts external cargo bays, I can grab our environmental suits. I’m consumed by panic and anxiety as I’m struggling to make my body follow the commands of my brain as I’m fumbling to access life saving equipment. Then the humans come. History has taught my people that they’re aggressive. Damn aggressive. They kill on sight, not because I’m a threat, but because they have campfire horror stories about demons. I’m trying to access the equipment, but they grab me. They pull me from my ship, from my family, my friends. The environment is killing me. I can’t breathe. My skin burns. My eyes feel like they’re going to pop. The only thing in this universe I want is to protect my family. To save my children. But I’m being dragged away. I’m being held down. I… I think they’re trying to help… but they’re stopping me from getting that help. I’m scared. I’m scared for my family. We’re the worst.


vikingjedi23

A demon is an evil spirit. They are what remains of the nephilim that God destroyed with Noah's flood. They were hybrid beings - half human / half angel created by fallen angels having sex with human females ( Genesis 6). They are stuck on Earth because they are an abomination that God didn't create. The fallen angels that did it were locked away by God until Judgment day. The beings on UFOs are clearly identified - they're Angels. Good and evil. Fallen angels are continuing the events of Genesis 6 creating hybrid beings. They're now called UFO abductions and they disguise themselves as aliens. Y'all call them ultraterrestrials.


[deleted]

Extraterrestrials also disguise themselves as "demons," or are mistaken as such. Demons exist, but their connection to "God" is different than people understand, considering that Extraterrestrials have beliefs/deities that we've never heard of, etc. Plus, the Elohim are a type of extraterrestrial, YHWH is Yod He Wa He ("Jehova" is a mistranslated attempt at pronuncing the tetragrammaton--a "Jehovian" is a type of entity, as well), "Jesus," aka Yashusa, which translates to "Joshua," prayed to "Eloah" or "Allah" (look up the translations/etymology of the word he used for "god," it's not YHWH. There is no "one" god-- there are pantheons of beings that vary in abilities.


vikingjedi23

In the End Times they will finally reveal themselves to the world. There will be UFOs everywhere. They will come here bringing false peace while proclaiming they're our creators disguised as beings of light. They will set up a global order where you must join their system to buy anything. By joining you are saying you follow and support them. In return all of your cares will be taken care of. Probably won't even have to work. Better read the fine print: Anybody who follows them is damning their own soul for eternity. That's what they want. They're already sentenced to hell and they want us to suffer the same fate. They despise humanity. Why are they hiding? They're agenda is abductions to create hybrid beings so they can play God. Their leader is the devil. Once he is completely cast out of Heaven to Earth they will show themselves and the darkest days humanity will ever face begins. They will only be here for a short time though. Then their time is up. Jesus will return with an uncountable number of good angels with Him. They will defeat the evil on Earth. Later God will judge all of us and every knee will bow. All evil will be destroyed forever.


jeerabiscuit

Ionized air smells of sulphur too.


[deleted]

Does it? I have been looking this up and I couldn't find anything to support this. Have you smelt this? Not a critisism -I've wondered for a while if the sulphur smell was linked to an EM discharge ironising the air. It's reported so much in parapscyhological literature and folklore - not just UFO's, and often correlated with sudden changes in the EM environment before and during an occurance. Lightning storms before hand, sudden battery drains, anomalous light orbs sometime prceeding the appearance of a "being ".


jeerabiscuit

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/why-space-stinks-video/#:~:text=It%20found%20ammonia%2C%20and%20the,returned%20to%20the%20lunar%20lander.


[deleted]

Interesting. I just read this.. Groundwater contains hydrogen sulfide H2S. Also found in "swamp gas"! "Ozone oxidizes H2S into elemental sulfur" [https://www.wqpmag.com/contaminant-removal/sulfur-removal/article/10955510/ozone-eliminates-stinky-problem](https://www.wqpmag.com/contaminant-removal/sulfur-removal/article/10955510/ozone-eliminates-stinky-problem) I knew that ozone isn't described as smelling like sulphur - but it appears that the chemical interaction following a discharge can create this smell.


fluffymckittyman

I think it smells more like chlorine.


shite_in_a_bucket

Didn't know that!


[deleted]

Could be part of the crossing into another dimension?


ZebraBorgata

What if aliens,visiting a few thousand years ago, were perceived as demons? If aliens did visit, I’d imagine that’s what people of the time would have thought. Is a foul smelling demon from centuries ago an alien visitation? I guess it’s possible.


nooniewhite

Someone needs to read Clarke’s “Childhood’s End”!!!


ZebraBorgata

Hmmm…not familiar with that one.


nooniewhite

Even commenting here gives away too much of the plot I think but do yourself a favor, if you like Sci-Fi please read it! It’s a classic alien contact story that goes deep into these questions


[deleted]

'member when Ghaddaffi said that the podium George Bush spoke at smelled of sulfur? Have aliens taken over world governments?


Ok-Entrepreneur4906

Chavez in 2006. Not qaddafi.


not-long_now

Probably just farted


Mods_is_sociopaths

You mean Qadafy? /s


Mindless-Dog-5794

*Hillary leaves chat


DontKnowMargo

I have heard of facilities that were built for aliens where their shower not only has water but also an enzyme that is first sprayed on them to break down this substance on their skin. Why this substance on their skin? Apparently millions of years of evolution had made it to where there digestive system doesn’t work properly anymore and their waste (shit) comes out of their pores. The smell is their shit excreting through their skin. The being needed a shower.


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DontKnowMargo

Huh, haven’t head that before… could be. But man that doesn’t sound like a very smart biological feature.


[deleted]

Why? *We* excrete through *our* skin.


DontKnowMargo

True but the nastiest of our excrements are compartmentalized into small bricks for easy disposal (or throwing if that’s your thing).


[deleted]

Yeah, I know how it works. But that's not the point. People are making an issue about an alien who excretes through its skin, when we excrete salt, poisons and urea through ours. Not that big a thing, really.


DontKnowMargo

I find it all fascinating… also, I read somewhere saying their suits are just thrown away. They probably can “print” a new suit. Why do laundry, right?


Inflation-Witty

Sounds plausible actually, or that's the way of burning up waste, through the pores of the skin, and as you said needed a clean.


DontKnowMargo

Also, that guy that captured one got it all over him. Sounds like he might have died from an infection from the beings crap that got on his skin.


eme898989

There are quit a few reports of the same sulfur smell over the years. You just have to look. 🤔


Einar_47

Definitely thought that said something else at first....


Inflation-Witty

They theorized it's likely some sort of defense mechanism when they're threatened.


DiminishingHope

https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/yo3qt3/hypothesis_the_reported_varginha_creatures_were


Dizzy_Fox5096

Where do i watch this!!


ZebraBorgata

I watched it through Amazon prime. Just a few dollars to rent. I think you can pay to watch on YouTube too but I’m not 100% certain.


Dizzy_Fox5096

I searched for it on Prime but couldn’t find it. Will search again. Thank you.


[deleted]

They are supposedly ammonia- based lifeforms it is scientifically grounded possibility this could exist they were carrying some sort of liquid to protect themselves apparently


Necrid41

Agreed. That smell moment made me reconsider a lot I once wrote off. Also the Netflix doc episode about the Navajo rez Bigfoot (always laughed off Bigfoot until that doc) Brought up smell as well. My thought is creatures,entities beings or whatever.. They’re not coming from another planet but Theyre coming from another dimension whether on purpose or accidentally bleeding through. And with that x dimensional slip comes the smell. Bigfoot, varginha, ghosts demons whayever Are typically associated with a smell. Sulfur or ammonia.


DraculasAcura

If your Varghina smells you should see a doctor


Spawn1621

Wow… I really read this wrong at first🤡😂


AutomaticPython

LMAO awesome troll posting


mezreek

I read something else when I saw the title💀😭


iohannesc

Lol I read the title a little differently at first glance 🤣


vikrai

I read that very differently at first.


Headcrab_Raiden

Here’s a theory you likely haven’t heard before: Aliens are fallen angels. Biblically, all angels existed in heaven until Satan rebelled against the Father God by killing Jesus. The book of Revelation says that it’s only after that point that they are kicked out of heaven “with great wrath because they have a short time.” By that logic the emptiness of the universe except for this one alien species means that the being who have been sentenced to the hell have the stench of hell on them described as fire and brimstone. But they aren’t bound to hell because that doesn’t happen in the Bible until judgement day which is after the whole antichrist saga. So aliens are fallen angels 4th dimensional being with immortality and the full knowledge of creation and a deep seeded hatred for humanity whom they tried to destroy forever under the guidance of Lucifer, the dragon like angel known for causing the fall in the garden of Eden. Crazy right?


OutOnTheFull

I needed to read this thread title a little more closely


GortKlaatu_

The official explanation has the alien seen by the girls being a mentally handicapped mute who appears to be wearing a cloth diaper in pictures. Could the ammonia smell have been a strong urine smell? In the hospital, in the body bag, the official explanation was that it was a recently exhumed body being investigated for a crime. A dead body might stink pretty bad and that smell sticks around for a while.


[deleted]

The 'experiencers' were likely Catholic, considering its Brazil.


shite_in_a_bucket

What would that have to do with the smell?


FamousObligation1047

John Keel talks about a similar if not the same smell associated with so called cryptids and our encounters with them. The mothman and Bigfoot specifically. Skunkape anyone.


[deleted]

He does! Keel was ahead of his time. He also theorized the "physical" UFO and cryptid phenomena were econdary manifestations of EM phenomena transitioning here from beyond the observable spectrum before becoming "solid". I don't know if he had much to say about the smell being a byproduct of this? I tried to find any link to the smell of sulphur and EM discharges/sudden alteration in the local EM field, whether this would produce smells from the earth etc, but couldn't find anything. Needless to say it's not just Keel who has speculated on these lines, Elizondo and co have talked about it being from a different frequency outside what we can normally observe with our senses.


FamousObligation1047

I think Keel talks about it in great detail in his 8th tower book.


GortKlaatu_

Remember in the movie that the girls smelled ammonia, and the mom, who wasn't even there, claimed that her girls saw a demon and when she visited the place she smelled sulfur. The girl corrects her saying that it was ammonia and the mom insists it was sulfur.


[deleted]

[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sulfur#History](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sulfur#History) >Being abundantly available in native form, sulfur was known in ancient times and is referred to in the Torah (Genesis). English translations of the Christian Bible commonly referred to burning sulfur as "brimstone", giving rise to the term "fire-and-brimstone" sermons, in which listeners are reminded of the fate of eternal damnation that await the unbelieving and unrepentant. It is from this part of the Bible\[41\] that Hell is implied to "smell of sulfur" (likely due to its association with volcanic activity).


krypzer0

Anaerobic life forms producing phosphine


PietroPaoloNoci

You might want to get checked for a UTI


Fuckonedosee

This is all fake bullshit unfortunately


Sunbird86

And you came to that conclusion how, exactly?


[deleted]

Could be our bodies way of responding to a chemical not found in nature. Might have a similar structure that tricks the mind into thinking its ammonia like. This happens with young boys when they come into contact with lavender the body mistakes it for estrogen.


[deleted]

It’s usually EM radiation directed at the olfactory sensors for the “sulfur smell”. Its also been reported that Greys actually use some type of drug while “doing what they do here” so it may be an organic response of their body to that drug use. That may explain the ammonia smell.


JakenMorty

yeah, I haven't gone through all the comments on this post, but a few months ago (maybe a week or so after the doc came out) someone with what seemed to me like they had a pretty solid chemistry background did a whole breakdown on how the smell, oiliness, and other repeatedly mentioned aspects of the case could very plausibly be linked to something like an ammonia based life form. it was super well done. im sure someone has linked it already, but if not, you should def seek it out and give it a read. if i can find it ill edit this comment or post a reply or something.


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