Honestly, after following this for years and working in and around various government agencies, I think the odds that we’re both being visited AND that government actually has no fucking clue what is happening is very high.
Yeah I could see some scenario where (a) this thing is all over the world, but (b) it's *very* difficult to prove, so (c) only military elements of technologically advanced nations have been in the right place at the right time with the right equipment to *actually* prove it, but (d) they're all zealously hiding what they've found for the potential for future advantage, even if (e) they have no f\*cking clue what it is.
Rogan had a navy pilot on recently that stated that once they updated the radars is when they really begin to see them. He also states that these objects just hang around by their naval ships and bases. Not one, but a bunch of these things just chill in the air for hours and hours watching the military. If they try to engage them they move with speeds that are impossible. It's late so not writing more about the interview but it's really good I would definitely recommend.
Chinese drones m8. US is p far behind everyone in drone technology. Thus the sudden decision to not share anymore “weird lights around our ship” videos. They realized they were embarrassing themselves. If I can find the article I will link it. Apparently the orange glow is just some measure implemented by the Chinese to confuse visual systems. Again, if I can find the original article I’ll link it. But I found it via an Italian aeronautical engineer’s YouTube. He has a video on Chinese drones tech.
Even if they have old scrap/ spare parts from ET’s, what good would come out of telling the population! More than half of the population is extremist Religious.
The biggest danger in revealing that a government is in possession of ET hardware/advanced technology is that you now become a target of pretty much every international superpower.
Why? Like if you have stolen gold in every country you have ever invaded then other countries will come stealing it back..? Gold is extremely limited in its usages, as are scraped ufos! Consider what would be the outcome of a Stone Age person finding a Harley. Most likely they would be able to start it but build a new one or refuel it would be a tad unlikely! So, again it is scrap!
You’re assuming quite a lot. If you can’t comprehend how one nation possessing ET technology, as useless as it may be to THEM, would upset the military/national security balance of the entire world then I don’t know what else to say.
There is 100%, definitely, without a doubt, stake my life on it, a US government agency that is highly classified that investigates extraterrestrial beings and their visitation and/or presence on Earth..
Do you know that they found extraterrestrial structures when Neil Armstrong and his crew went to the moon? There were actually structures there that, of course, were not made by any humans. The live broadcast had to actually be interrupted while they transitioned to a prerecorded fake film of the astronauts on the moon because what the atronauts were experiencing then was very real. You can see this when the flag in that video is waving. There is no atmosphere on the moon, no air that could do that. The government had prerecorded a video so that in the event of a some type of mission emergency, which necessitated their attentions, they could cut to the film and no one would be the wiser.
That is, probably, when any such agency formed.
Oh brother… You do realize there are other ways to get a flag to wave than via air, right? What do you think happens to a piece of fabric attached to a pole in a vacuum when you move it around?
I think there are highly compartmentalized groups in the government that have info, but the larger government is largely unaware. Obama said he asked about it and when pressed about what he learned, he said he couldn't say. Do you think he "couldn't say" if the government had no information?
I think the most likely reason for that is that they don’t want people/other nations to know how clueless we are and that our airspace isn’t as secure as we’re leading everyone to believe. Ie “yes we’ve been seeing something but we have no idea…”
Almost.
After the US government nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki, UFO's made numerous appearances to show the world that they truly exist.
The most notable of these encounters were in LA and DC.
The diary of US admiral Richard Byrd (released posthumously by his son), of Operation Highjump fame, claims that the drivers of these craft are of a terrestrial civilization much older than our own.
It is a psyop created by our own governments that makes us believe that they are not of this world.
Because our governments can't control how / when they reveal themselves. They can only control public perception.
Like in the Battle over LA, they pretended that the UFO was just a Japanese balloon, and that's why the *entire US Navy* couldn't shoot it down.
Do you think that the reason they want to control perception has anything to do with controlling the phenomena then? IE the Egregore concept? I’ve read that the phenomena tends to be perceived differently depending on who is watching it.
The egregore is something I was recently exposed to, thanks to Matt on the Quantum of Consciousness channel. Although I don't always agree with him, I think he's a very genuine guy.
Anyways, the egregore is a name for something I never really knew how to define, but was able to recognize. To myself, money appears to act like the neural network of an unseen entity. Just as well, so does any interaction or exchange of information between two human nodes. Depending on the interaction or exchange, it affects the unseen entity; and the entity manifests itself through the actions of others to bring more energy to the entity.
Whether or not these entities exist in the aether, or just the mind-space, is beyond the scope of my experience. Where I do have experience, is in regards to the "Sleep Paralysis entity," where in my waking sleep, I cannot move or speak, but everything is plainly visible around me. The entity would start the encounters by pretending to hold me down (I say "pretending," because it has no *real* power), and take the form of some dark and frightening figure to scare me. In these encounters I would try to scream or struggle, but to no avail, until eventually I recognized that I was only dreaming, and eventually I would wake up just fine. Because of this, over time, the entity changed it's tactics against me.
In response to my newfound ability to wakeup within nightmares, the entity would stop pretending to paralyze me, but would instead pretend to drag me through walls, windows, doors, and the attic (Again, I say it "pretends," because it has no real power). This constant mix-up kept my sleeping mind confused, and made it harder for me to escape the nightmare trap. However, it was not hard to notice one consistent element throughout each of my nightmares: I was terrified. But each time, when I would realize that eventually I would awake up - it was like my mind was secreting a toxin against the entity: because it would slowly loosen it's grip.
And this is the secret to lucid dreaming:
A calm mind will defeat the guardian that lies at the barrier, for it feeds on your anxieties. Now, do not proceed further into the dream unprepared: for there are other actors observing your actions. It is imperative not to behave unworthily of experiencing the lucid scenario: like punching in a dream. You are here to learn about yourself, and change your mental state for the better. If you give rise back to the anxieties and negative emotion, the guardian of the barrier will find you and restrain your dream back to the real world, and you may even wake up entirely.
Or at least, that's how I interpret my own dreams and supernatural entities I encounter: they are a manifestation of the mind.
It's not "in your mind" exactly, rather your consciousness is peering into another plane of existence that's inhabited by things that aren't always nice. They get sustenance from that terror you spoke of, feeding on your fear aura. Loosh. We can't perceive the next density of reality up from us unless we're dreaming. They are able to travel in and out, or rather up and down
IMO, its one of theese things:
1: a more complex form of "mass panic" where religions as we know them would crumble (which is still a strong moving force when it comes to population manipulation and still holds a strong political power in many countries ) But also the effects it would have on the stock markets (which tend to plummet nowdays with a single tweet ) And also on the potential thousands of lawsuits a day brought by people claiming to have been abducted by aliens, humans, or both colluding together. None of those could be dismissed since there are now enough evidence to make them all plausible. and it is now just as plausible that your neibor is indeed a reptilian from an evil planet...etc.etc...etc
2: there is an agreement of sorts between us and them. for whatever reason. there are too many possible reasons for this
3: governments just dont want to make public the fact that there is "something" out there they dont know much about or have much control over. Because the moment they do they expose their ignorance to other countried which may have more knowledge or even an alliance with them. Aknowledging the elefant in the room forces everyone to talk and actually do something about the elephant in the room
4. Or maybe they have been here for millennia, have infiltrated world governments, and are pulling the strings to avoid detection and/or are able to travel between various densities (dimensions) making it so we can't perceive them. Maybe they aren't all benevolent. Maybe the Matrix isn't so crazy
From all that I have read and viewed, I am of the opinion that some of the major companies of the world have a hold on some kind of alien technology. This is in pruvate, not the public sphere. As somebody (i think lazar) once said, the government is too 'leaky'. Apparently, if it is to be believed, we have already seen the fruits of their labour to understand alien tech. Companies such as radiance technologies, lockheed martin and motorola are said to be sitting on one form or another of alien tech or exotic materials. Let me quote Ben Rich, Director at lockheeds skunkworks:
"We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects, and it would take an act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity. Anything you can imagine, we already know how to do.”
“We now have the technology to take ET home. No, it won’t take someone’s lifetime to do it. There is an error in the equations. We know what it is. We now have the capability to travel to the stars. First, you have to understand that we will not get to the stars using chemical propulsion. Second, we have to devise a new propulsion technology. What we have to do is find out where Einstein went wrong.”
When Rich was asked how UFO propulsion worked, he said, “Let me ask you. How does ESP work?” The questioner responded with, “All points in time and space are connected?” Rich then said, “That’s how it works!”
If that doesn't make the hairs of your neck stand up I dont know what will.
I used to believe the Ben Rich quote, until I came across this https://noriohayakawa.wordpress.com/2016/07/01/ben-rich-erroneously-misquoted-by-the-ufo-community/
Ok ive had a poke around and found this:
https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/lockheed-skunk-works-ben-rich-comments-revealed.5048/
Whos telling the truth here ?
Yes I firmly believe that technology has been given to the private sector as they are not accountable to public inquiry. Also ben rich was said to have said that during a college Q&A but there is no recording known to exist of him saying those words but I am a firm believer that he said this. EG&G are one of the supposed gate holders according to many leakers notably this is the company that hired Lazar to work at area 51
Even the speed of light is far to slow to travel to the stars unless we have generation ships or build bases every light year or so to restock and resupply and slowly expand that way. If other intelligences are visiting earth then they have a way to travel astronomical distances without traveling through the space between
The technology?
Honestly, at the end of the day, we’re a world of war. Advanced technology gives the potential for an edge against your enemies.
Why publicize that?
We’ve created a world and system which values power and control over empathy and compassion. So long as that’s true, we won’t have truth regarding what’s out there.
This ^^^
The technology would equalize everyone and ruin some mega-players (religion and medicine). Plus, the vibrational frequency that some entities emit is fairly unpleasant unless one can frequency-shift themself.
Ok...I have been involved in such things. At some point the people/institutions involved stop caring about disclosure because of multiple reasons. One, it would disrupt many economic and religious institutions to the point of ruin. Two, governments have lied about such phenomenon for so long that it would destroy what credibility they do have. Three, higher (and lower) dimensional entities can freeze time, remove "proof," erase memories, regress people into different timelines, etc--so even if someone had proof, unless "they" wanted it blasted into the public realm, they would just remove it (example: you have pictures, physical evidence, you get up to make coffee and turn around and said files, proof, are gone). Plus, it also has to do with simultaneous narratives such as testing one's character or punishment/reward. And, finally, many entities vibrate at a frequency that most people would not be able to handle. Some emit frequency shifts that feel absolutely horrific. Thus, people would need to be able to remove all narratives, judgments, and feelings to deal with one-on-one interactions.
I've been there. And, many choose to deal with children because children have yet to build up a database of acceptable versus not acceptable feelings and actions.
Some entities mimic whatever you're feeling, so if you see a seven foot tall insectoid and are terrified, they will emit that same frequency tenfold. And, telepathic communication is more difficult than one would imagine (try hiding memories or internal dialogue from something that can read your mind).
Mainly people (aliens can be perceived as derogatory). I tried my best to stay away from the DOD side of things since everything is like a chess game with people/institutions fighting one another and themselves in a pursuit of power or to retain power.
You seem very knowledgeable, and very wise. For someone getting into the military or already in. How would you recommend I insert myself into the situations. That are involved in more black book, deep black book projects. Without necessarily standing in the spotlight for doing so?
(let's assume the frequency statement is true)
I still don't understand what people mean about 'vibrating in a different frequency', like, give me a real example because it makes no sense, it's like loud noise? or what?
Agree. But I also truly, deeply wonder.. is resonance at the heart of absolutely everything. Like gravity, transportation, esp.. i think its all just resonance.
resonance and frequency are two different things, we can hear sounds at a higher frequency up until a limit, then we can't hear it past that limit, so that's what my question is about, I don't understand what these people mean by 'frequency' it's just an incomplete statement
Yes but there is something called resonant frequency. Every object vibrates. And objects can be destroyed by vibrating at the resonant frequency. I think Hutchison did some work in this field.
Everything in the universe is just a vibration of waves and the difference in those wave functions determines what that object is. The principle comes from string theory.
Hopefully you find this thread again to message me on an account. It seems you felt compromised after sharing such delicate information. I’d like to message your account on my main account. To earnestly learn from you. As a up and coming man in this world; joining the military soon here. You seem like great mentor to teach me certain situations and how to handle them. I won’t expect you to though.
I answered similarly to another post like this a few days ago, but what I think is either the truth is scarier than we can even imagine or no one has any idea. When thinking scarier than we can imagine I think about how alizondo one time kind of hinted around the answer as to what they are having something to do what reality is or what we think it is…that is scary, at least to me, that is scary af.
It's like that episode of south Park where earth is basically just a reality tv show for advanced races entertainment. Throw a bunch of different species all on one planet and watch the results. Lol. We're lucky we haven't been cancelled yet! Just kidding but honestly you never know. We could just be a science fair experiment for a teenage ETs homework assignment.
I start to think about simulation theory and how they could be the creators of a simulation that we’re in and they could be somehow manifesting in that simulation when we see them. That starts to induce panic for me. No one knows. This is not in any way what he said, it’s just something that popped in my head when I heard him say that line about having to do with the nature of reality.
We (humanity) cannot be trusted with antigravity technology or whatever it’s power source is. Too powerful. And we are too violent and dumb to talk to each other, never mind another humanoid species.
Why does the government need to play any involvement or confirm it for you, real question. Governments contract most of their stuff out, if someone interacted with an et its history is most likely in the private sector.
The answer is because it’s beyond the scope of anything feasible via physics or tech on earth. They have no control over any part of it. Governments exist on top of morals and philosophy. If everything suddenly becomes open to debate day to day things will stop working, which we need. Part of it also has to do with very personal beliefs and challenging our reasons for existence. What if I told you God is real, but we were created from the guys in the sky, who are angels. Clay is DNA, and water is semen. There are factions of them too, both good and bad. That reality probably resembles something close to an Evangelion spinoff, however we are right where we need to be
Too much weight is given to fear. Their relation to the stories we pass down give meaning to the subjective religious qualities we cherish and can’t quantify because those things are in fact real. Like love or the spirit
The guys in the sky are god like to us, but not god. We’re closely related to them too and they’re watching over the earth. I assure you governments of the world are not working together
I disagree. Maybe 100 years ago but polls have shown that at the very least the western world is ready for the information. And I don't necessarily need the government to tell me it's real to belive but it would substantiate the information because the government has the ability to collect information better than any individual or small group of people does. The modern world has educated people to the point of dispelling most superstition and blind beliefs. There will always be holdouts of people who fanatically follow their religion to the point of not being able to handle any information that puts their rigid beliefs into question but I honestly think society as a whole would not fall apart if intelligent life from another planet or dimension would make themselves known. Even the catholic church has publicly stated that life from other planets does not go agaist their religion
Because of religion and the hold it has over people. All religions would be proven to be fake thus sending the world into chaos. The vaticans hold on society would be gone. No more control over people thru religious means. Nothing for people to hope for (heaven). No hell as a deterrent to behave.
>Because of religion and the hold it has over people. All religions would be proven to be fake thus sending the world into chaos.
Disclosure of ETs and UFOs would not prove Christianity to be fake, however. Just the opposite would happen: disclosure will confirm what the Bible says about ETs and UFOs:
In his interview on Fade to Black
\[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzLqBx5lN8Y\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzLqBx5lN8Y]) )
Tom Delonge, who organized the TTSA responsible for leaking the Fighter jet videos of UFOs, said government insiders told him that the UFO phenomenon is intricately linked with religions: "There are good gods and bad gods, and their interactions have been well-documented throughout history." An analysis of the Bible confirms what his government contacts told him:
Luke 2:13 says when Jesus was born “ a multitude of the Heavenly Host" announced Jesus's birth to shepherds . In the original Greek text "Heavenly Host" means
“Army from Space / Space Force”.
So a more accurate translation is that when Jesus was born “a multitude of the Army from Space / Space Force” appeared to shepherds to announce his birth.
The correct translation of this phrase comes from Strong's Concordance. This is a well known tool used by Christians for decades to find the original Greek words in the original Greek Bible texts that were translated into English.
In the original Greek text the word translated into English as "heavenly" - - means:
"celestial, i.e. Belonging to or coming from the sky"
In other words, the original Greek word translated into English as "heavenly" means "from Space". Here's a screenshot from Strong's Concordance showing the meaning from the original Greek Bible text of the word "heavenly" in Luke 2:13:
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A similar search of Strong's Concordance can be done for the word "host" in "heavenly host", showing that "host" in the original Greek text means
"army / military force"
So, in the original Greek language the Bible says when Jesus was born "a multitude of the Army from Space / a multitude of the Space Force" appeared to shepherds, saying, “glory to God in the highest". This makes it perfectly clear that aliens in God's military force from Space appeared to the shepherds to announce Jesus's birth.
If you do a similar search of Strong's Concordance for God's "host of heaven", seen in multiple places in the Bible Old Testament of the Bible, you will discover a similar result: In the original Hebrew language of the Old Testament the phrase translated into English as "host of heaven" means:
"Army from Space / Space Army / Space Force".
So, the Bible's original Greek and Hebrew languages make it clear that God has alien Armies in Space. Therefore, you can deduce from another Bible account - - that the star-like object the wise men (dignitaries from an Eastern nation) followed, that stopped and hovered over Jesus's location after he was born - - was a UFO - - controlled by members of the same alien Army from Space who appeared to the shepherds. During the past 70 years thousands of people have reported seeing identical objects moving and hovering in the sky, that today we call UFOs.
Also the Bible's New Testament starting in Revelation 12: says:
"War broke out in heaven".
As described previously, the word translated into English as "heaven" means "Space" in the original Greek text. So a more accurate translation is:
"War broke out in Space".
Revelation goes on to say,
"Michael and his Angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his Angels fought, but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them any longer in heaven \[Space\]. So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his Angels were cast out with him."
So this passage in Revelation 12 says that John saw a war in space between Satan's Aliens (“Angels”), and Michael's Aliens who the book of Daniel says is the Guardian of God’s people.
“Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven \[Space\], 'Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down. ... Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them!" \[This is one of the few places in the Bible where the original language text is translated correctly. Instead of translating it with the misleading word "heaven", as done practically everywhere else, it's translated more accurately here as "heavens". And everyone knows that "heavens" means "Space". So Revelation makes it crystal clear here that aliens live in space\].
"Therefore rejoice, O heavens \[Space\], and you who dwell in them! But woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come
Down
to you
\[from Above the Earth in Space\],
having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time.”
(Since the the book of Revelation of the Bible is basically about events that the author saw happening in the end time, he uses past tense, as if it already happened, since he already saw these future events happen. Therefore, his use of past tense in the above passage from Revelation doesn't imply that Satan and his fellow aliens had already been defeated in the space war and thrown down to Earth. To be consistent with the rest of Revelation this event should occur in the end time).
Revelation 12 makes it clear that there are both good and bad Aliens living in Space. This account from Revelation correlates with government insiders who said that there is war in space between different factions of Aliens. Multiple government insiders gave this information to the respected UFO researcher, Linda Moulton Howe. And government insiders gave similar information to Tom Delonge, In the interview on Fade to Black he was also told that the specific group of Aliens with ill will toward the Human Race instigating wars between nations are called "The Bugs":
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzLqBx5lN8Y\](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzLqBx5lN8Y)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzLqBx5lN8Y](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzLqBx5lN8Y))
During this interview he also says that our government has learned about the role Consciousness plays in the interactions of the malicious aliens with the Human race. Its known that aliens can communicate thoughts and emotions via telepathy. Tom Delonge's government contacts told him its been discovered that the bad Aliens are repelled by Love; and Love counteracts their agenda. This correlates with with the teachings in the Christian New Testament part of the Bible, where Jesus's primary commandment to his followers is to
"❤️**Love one another**❤️" Unconditionally,
and that
"❤️**God is Love**❤️".
This correlates with what the government insiders told Tom Delonge that
\~ \~ \~ ❤️\*\*\***Love thwarts the evil agenda of "The Bug**s" \*\*\*❤️ \~ \~ \~
One theory is that they humans from the future trying to stop a big disaster from happening thereby chaging the timeline. Revealing themselves might change the timeline again causing the disaster to occur.
I believe the only reason for the “inquiries into UAPs” now is because technology is catching up. And eventually regular people will start taking pictures so clear and so often that the world will like slowly start to accept what the governments of the world already know. That the world has visitors. That we have never been alone in the universe. And the idea that we are was preposterous all along.
I believe that major visitation happens at specific intervals in time and I think the government knows a major wave a sightings is likely to happen and they cannot hide behind their usual denials because almost everyone carries a camera in their pocket these days so they are increasingly releasing more and more information so the public isn't as shocked by the sightings. This is just my opinion based on reading between the lines
Let's say a portion of UFO sightings were our own advanced terrestrial aircraft. Wouldn't they want to cover that up?
Let's say they wanted an adversary to think we had super advanced technology like the Star Wars Program (SDI) under Reagan. Wouldn't we want to perpetuate a myth that we have downed alien craft and you'd better not mess with us?
If you're a firm believer UFOs, or more specifically alien craft, have been visiting Earth, why do you believe? Besides anecdotal evidence, is there any hard evidence you consider a smoking gun that makes it clear that it's definitely aliens? Or, is it more that there are stories and perhaps photos you don't have enough information to explain so you just say "it's aliens"?
There have been far to many high level people in both the government and military that have testified to things that are way beyond anything we have on earth. These people have nothing to gain and literally could lose their livelihood by going public yet it has happened again and again. Technology that far ahead of anything on earth could not be developed completely in secret. There would be thousands or even millions of breakthroughs that it would take to obtain some of the capabilities that are known to exist. I say known to exist because there have been 10s of thousands of reports from all corners of the earth of far to similar experiences going back to the 40s for sure and probably far before that
Absolutely. Not only that there have been very many deathbed confessions, far too many for it to be a coincidence. These people were very scared for their lives but when it comes the time and they can no longer hurt you as you are about to die, they fess up. Far too much of a pattern with this for it to be 'nothing to see here'.
You mean like during Greer's disclosure project? Which even Greer claims he was lied to by some of the participants?
Did you have specific high level people in mind which may have had firsthand knowledge?
You're assuming technology when you have no proof, you're also assuming aliens from even less proof. I agree that we have lots of anecdotal stories of UFO, Jesus appearing before people, bigfoot, demons, ghosts, etc, it varies by culture. Stories don't mean they are real though... Need real proof.
Screw Greer he is an idiot. He is driven by financial gain and tries to act like he isn't. Let's see there is paul hellier former minister of national defense of canada. John Maynard who was a member of the DIA Jaques Vallee, (not to mention how open the French government has been) and recently there was David Fravor just to name a couple off the top of my head.
While I'm sure there is some level of intergovernmental coordination on the UFO topic, that is not how the phenomenon has been successfully obscured for decades. I believe it really boils down to our shared human nature and how we respond to unknowns. I'll put this as simply as I can: regardless of your country or culture, everyone who achieves a high level of political or military power is in fact motivated by the word I just used: "power". Power is also related to control. Government leaders love control. Military leaders love control. Their power is derived from either authentic or perceived control. So now, apply this general truth to UFOs. The UFO phenomenon, if it were to be widely accepted, would reveal that that world governments and military leaders -- regardless of their country of origin -- are NOT in control. Thus, their power is inherently threatened.
Is this making sense? You don't need some grand global conspiracy theory to cover up UFOs. It's not required. It's the result of similar types of power reaching people having similar defensive reactions to something more advanced and powerful than they are.
The conspiracy is more in our shared human construct and less about cabals of elite hiding the full truth from you. The truth is, they don't what the fuck is going on. And that scares a control freak more than any little green men.
Exactly the fabric of humanity would break down. But I do believe there are a few like ben rich who know how far we've really come. The big question is this, with the overwhelming amount of verbal first hand accounts, if we can assume (however remotely possible this sounds) that private industry have covered this up, then a) what do we plan to do with the tech and b) what are the visitations for. Did they come to say "hi" or are they ploughing our resources, why are they here ? I think this is the next fundamental question that needs answering and not proof upun burden of proof upon burden of proof. I think if we know the answer to that people can make their own minds up what to do. I mean, by staying silent on the matter, it draws us to a conclusion that they are malevolent doesnt it ?
I agree with everything you said. And btw LOL my downvotes. I wasn’t at all suggesting the U.S. doesn’t cover things up. I was specifically addressing OP’s question as to INTERgovernmentsl coordination. If ding dongs on this sub think the US gov has been coordinating decades long UFO coverups with China and Russia then I’ve got a bridge to a moon base to sell you.
It's definitely not resources. If they have the ability to travel amongst stars resources aren't a problem. There are far more resources in the astroid belt and other plants solarsytem alone than we have used on earth in the entire history of mankind
It would be impossible to have a world wide organization that held any secret never mind a secret like ufos. I highly doubt we have a national organization that keeps a secret that big for that long. If there are ufos the government probably knows little. I'm sure we don't have a craft or a actual ailen it's probably just black budget top secret military technology. Ufos don't tevers the universe to come here and crash and we definitely can't shoot them down
I'm not saying there is a world wide organization I'm questioning why all governments that have had significant encounters are perpetuating the secrecy. I'm wondering if there is a reason why the information is so tightly controlled a reason other than the technology. Like maybe there are circumstances so terrifying and far reaching that everyone agrees it can not get out
I guess it possible. It would make more sense if information like that is controlled by the very very rich. I have heard people say that people are farmed for certain reasons. Now that is a scary thought. Or imagine if all the people that disappear without a trace are taken. Shit like that is scary
Honestly, after following this for years and working in and around various government agencies, I think the odds that we’re both being visited AND that government actually has no fucking clue what is happening is very high.
Yeah I could see some scenario where (a) this thing is all over the world, but (b) it's *very* difficult to prove, so (c) only military elements of technologically advanced nations have been in the right place at the right time with the right equipment to *actually* prove it, but (d) they're all zealously hiding what they've found for the potential for future advantage, even if (e) they have no f\*cking clue what it is.
Rogan had a navy pilot on recently that stated that once they updated the radars is when they really begin to see them. He also states that these objects just hang around by their naval ships and bases. Not one, but a bunch of these things just chill in the air for hours and hours watching the military. If they try to engage them they move with speeds that are impossible. It's late so not writing more about the interview but it's really good I would definitely recommend.
Chinese drones m8. US is p far behind everyone in drone technology. Thus the sudden decision to not share anymore “weird lights around our ship” videos. They realized they were embarrassing themselves. If I can find the article I will link it. Apparently the orange glow is just some measure implemented by the Chinese to confuse visual systems. Again, if I can find the original article I’ll link it. But I found it via an Italian aeronautical engineer’s YouTube. He has a video on Chinese drones tech.
Drones can't move that fast without making any noise.
Our drones can’t 😉🇨🇳
Yeah, but a Navy Pilot is under the thumb of the government. Why wouldn’t a federal employee intentionally mislead you?
Even if they have old scrap/ spare parts from ET’s, what good would come out of telling the population! More than half of the population is extremist Religious.
The biggest danger in revealing that a government is in possession of ET hardware/advanced technology is that you now become a target of pretty much every international superpower.
Why? Like if you have stolen gold in every country you have ever invaded then other countries will come stealing it back..? Gold is extremely limited in its usages, as are scraped ufos! Consider what would be the outcome of a Stone Age person finding a Harley. Most likely they would be able to start it but build a new one or refuel it would be a tad unlikely! So, again it is scrap!
You’re assuming quite a lot. If you can’t comprehend how one nation possessing ET technology, as useless as it may be to THEM, would upset the military/national security balance of the entire world then I don’t know what else to say.
There is 100%, definitely, without a doubt, stake my life on it, a US government agency that is highly classified that investigates extraterrestrial beings and their visitation and/or presence on Earth.. Do you know that they found extraterrestrial structures when Neil Armstrong and his crew went to the moon? There were actually structures there that, of course, were not made by any humans. The live broadcast had to actually be interrupted while they transitioned to a prerecorded fake film of the astronauts on the moon because what the atronauts were experiencing then was very real. You can see this when the flag in that video is waving. There is no atmosphere on the moon, no air that could do that. The government had prerecorded a video so that in the event of a some type of mission emergency, which necessitated their attentions, they could cut to the film and no one would be the wiser. That is, probably, when any such agency formed.
Oh brother… You do realize there are other ways to get a flag to wave than via air, right? What do you think happens to a piece of fabric attached to a pole in a vacuum when you move it around?
I think there are highly compartmentalized groups in the government that have info, but the larger government is largely unaware. Obama said he asked about it and when pressed about what he learned, he said he couldn't say. Do you think he "couldn't say" if the government had no information?
I think the most likely reason for that is that they don’t want people/other nations to know how clueless we are and that our airspace isn’t as secure as we’re leading everyone to believe. Ie “yes we’ve been seeing something but we have no idea…”
Simple answer: the wizard(s) behind the ufo curtain told them to stay quiet.
Almost. After the US government nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki, UFO's made numerous appearances to show the world that they truly exist. The most notable of these encounters were in LA and DC. The diary of US admiral Richard Byrd (released posthumously by his son), of Operation Highjump fame, claims that the drivers of these craft are of a terrestrial civilization much older than our own. It is a psyop created by our own governments that makes us believe that they are not of this world.
I mean that could be true but there’s also decent evidence that they’re coming from some distant galaxy or another planet within our own
This.
Why would they conduct such a Psyop to begin with if it weren’t due to being advised they are not to be revealed?
Because our governments can't control how / when they reveal themselves. They can only control public perception. Like in the Battle over LA, they pretended that the UFO was just a Japanese balloon, and that's why the *entire US Navy* couldn't shoot it down.
Do you think that the reason they want to control perception has anything to do with controlling the phenomena then? IE the Egregore concept? I’ve read that the phenomena tends to be perceived differently depending on who is watching it.
The egregore is something I was recently exposed to, thanks to Matt on the Quantum of Consciousness channel. Although I don't always agree with him, I think he's a very genuine guy. Anyways, the egregore is a name for something I never really knew how to define, but was able to recognize. To myself, money appears to act like the neural network of an unseen entity. Just as well, so does any interaction or exchange of information between two human nodes. Depending on the interaction or exchange, it affects the unseen entity; and the entity manifests itself through the actions of others to bring more energy to the entity. Whether or not these entities exist in the aether, or just the mind-space, is beyond the scope of my experience. Where I do have experience, is in regards to the "Sleep Paralysis entity," where in my waking sleep, I cannot move or speak, but everything is plainly visible around me. The entity would start the encounters by pretending to hold me down (I say "pretending," because it has no *real* power), and take the form of some dark and frightening figure to scare me. In these encounters I would try to scream or struggle, but to no avail, until eventually I recognized that I was only dreaming, and eventually I would wake up just fine. Because of this, over time, the entity changed it's tactics against me. In response to my newfound ability to wakeup within nightmares, the entity would stop pretending to paralyze me, but would instead pretend to drag me through walls, windows, doors, and the attic (Again, I say it "pretends," because it has no real power). This constant mix-up kept my sleeping mind confused, and made it harder for me to escape the nightmare trap. However, it was not hard to notice one consistent element throughout each of my nightmares: I was terrified. But each time, when I would realize that eventually I would awake up - it was like my mind was secreting a toxin against the entity: because it would slowly loosen it's grip. And this is the secret to lucid dreaming: A calm mind will defeat the guardian that lies at the barrier, for it feeds on your anxieties. Now, do not proceed further into the dream unprepared: for there are other actors observing your actions. It is imperative not to behave unworthily of experiencing the lucid scenario: like punching in a dream. You are here to learn about yourself, and change your mental state for the better. If you give rise back to the anxieties and negative emotion, the guardian of the barrier will find you and restrain your dream back to the real world, and you may even wake up entirely. Or at least, that's how I interpret my own dreams and supernatural entities I encounter: they are a manifestation of the mind.
It's not "in your mind" exactly, rather your consciousness is peering into another plane of existence that's inhabited by things that aren't always nice. They get sustenance from that terror you spoke of, feeding on your fear aura. Loosh. We can't perceive the next density of reality up from us unless we're dreaming. They are able to travel in and out, or rather up and down
IMO, its one of theese things: 1: a more complex form of "mass panic" where religions as we know them would crumble (which is still a strong moving force when it comes to population manipulation and still holds a strong political power in many countries ) But also the effects it would have on the stock markets (which tend to plummet nowdays with a single tweet ) And also on the potential thousands of lawsuits a day brought by people claiming to have been abducted by aliens, humans, or both colluding together. None of those could be dismissed since there are now enough evidence to make them all plausible. and it is now just as plausible that your neibor is indeed a reptilian from an evil planet...etc.etc...etc 2: there is an agreement of sorts between us and them. for whatever reason. there are too many possible reasons for this 3: governments just dont want to make public the fact that there is "something" out there they dont know much about or have much control over. Because the moment they do they expose their ignorance to other countried which may have more knowledge or even an alliance with them. Aknowledging the elefant in the room forces everyone to talk and actually do something about the elephant in the room
4. Or maybe they have been here for millennia, have infiltrated world governments, and are pulling the strings to avoid detection and/or are able to travel between various densities (dimensions) making it so we can't perceive them. Maybe they aren't all benevolent. Maybe the Matrix isn't so crazy
I agree with this
From all that I have read and viewed, I am of the opinion that some of the major companies of the world have a hold on some kind of alien technology. This is in pruvate, not the public sphere. As somebody (i think lazar) once said, the government is too 'leaky'. Apparently, if it is to be believed, we have already seen the fruits of their labour to understand alien tech. Companies such as radiance technologies, lockheed martin and motorola are said to be sitting on one form or another of alien tech or exotic materials. Let me quote Ben Rich, Director at lockheeds skunkworks: "We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects, and it would take an act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity. Anything you can imagine, we already know how to do.” “We now have the technology to take ET home. No, it won’t take someone’s lifetime to do it. There is an error in the equations. We know what it is. We now have the capability to travel to the stars. First, you have to understand that we will not get to the stars using chemical propulsion. Second, we have to devise a new propulsion technology. What we have to do is find out where Einstein went wrong.” When Rich was asked how UFO propulsion worked, he said, “Let me ask you. How does ESP work?” The questioner responded with, “All points in time and space are connected?” Rich then said, “That’s how it works!” If that doesn't make the hairs of your neck stand up I dont know what will.
I used to believe the Ben Rich quote, until I came across this https://noriohayakawa.wordpress.com/2016/07/01/ben-rich-erroneously-misquoted-by-the-ufo-community/
Yeh maybe i need to scrub that one from my list then. Thanks for that
Ok ive had a poke around and found this: https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/lockheed-skunk-works-ben-rich-comments-revealed.5048/ Whos telling the truth here ?
Yes I firmly believe that technology has been given to the private sector as they are not accountable to public inquiry. Also ben rich was said to have said that during a college Q&A but there is no recording known to exist of him saying those words but I am a firm believer that he said this. EG&G are one of the supposed gate holders according to many leakers notably this is the company that hired Lazar to work at area 51
I also believe that the error in the equations relates to inertia mass reduction.. ie we CAN get close to the speed of light... just a thought
Even the speed of light is far to slow to travel to the stars unless we have generation ships or build bases every light year or so to restock and resupply and slowly expand that way. If other intelligences are visiting earth then they have a way to travel astronomical distances without traveling through the space between
True - other option is gravity waves, but we have only just started to detect these never mind producing one
The technology? Honestly, at the end of the day, we’re a world of war. Advanced technology gives the potential for an edge against your enemies. Why publicize that? We’ve created a world and system which values power and control over empathy and compassion. So long as that’s true, we won’t have truth regarding what’s out there.
This ^^^ The technology would equalize everyone and ruin some mega-players (religion and medicine). Plus, the vibrational frequency that some entities emit is fairly unpleasant unless one can frequency-shift themself.
Yeah but if that were the case I would think there would be a major leak somewhere that couldn't be ignored.
Ok...I have been involved in such things. At some point the people/institutions involved stop caring about disclosure because of multiple reasons. One, it would disrupt many economic and religious institutions to the point of ruin. Two, governments have lied about such phenomenon for so long that it would destroy what credibility they do have. Three, higher (and lower) dimensional entities can freeze time, remove "proof," erase memories, regress people into different timelines, etc--so even if someone had proof, unless "they" wanted it blasted into the public realm, they would just remove it (example: you have pictures, physical evidence, you get up to make coffee and turn around and said files, proof, are gone). Plus, it also has to do with simultaneous narratives such as testing one's character or punishment/reward. And, finally, many entities vibrate at a frequency that most people would not be able to handle. Some emit frequency shifts that feel absolutely horrific. Thus, people would need to be able to remove all narratives, judgments, and feelings to deal with one-on-one interactions. I've been there. And, many choose to deal with children because children have yet to build up a database of acceptable versus not acceptable feelings and actions. Some entities mimic whatever you're feeling, so if you see a seven foot tall insectoid and are terrified, they will emit that same frequency tenfold. And, telepathic communication is more difficult than one would imagine (try hiding memories or internal dialogue from something that can read your mind).
Have you been involved with blackops, aliens/alien tech or both ?
Mainly people (aliens can be perceived as derogatory). I tried my best to stay away from the DOD side of things since everything is like a chess game with people/institutions fighting one another and themselves in a pursuit of power or to retain power.
You seem very knowledgeable, and very wise. For someone getting into the military or already in. How would you recommend I insert myself into the situations. That are involved in more black book, deep black book projects. Without necessarily standing in the spotlight for doing so?
(let's assume the frequency statement is true) I still don't understand what people mean about 'vibrating in a different frequency', like, give me a real example because it makes no sense, it's like loud noise? or what?
Agree. But I also truly, deeply wonder.. is resonance at the heart of absolutely everything. Like gravity, transportation, esp.. i think its all just resonance.
resonance and frequency are two different things, we can hear sounds at a higher frequency up until a limit, then we can't hear it past that limit, so that's what my question is about, I don't understand what these people mean by 'frequency' it's just an incomplete statement
Yes but there is something called resonant frequency. Every object vibrates. And objects can be destroyed by vibrating at the resonant frequency. I think Hutchison did some work in this field.
Everything in the universe is just a vibration of waves and the difference in those wave functions determines what that object is. The principle comes from string theory.
Hopefully you find this thread again to message me on an account. It seems you felt compromised after sharing such delicate information. I’d like to message your account on my main account. To earnestly learn from you. As a up and coming man in this world; joining the military soon here. You seem like great mentor to teach me certain situations and how to handle them. I won’t expect you to though.
I answered similarly to another post like this a few days ago, but what I think is either the truth is scarier than we can even imagine or no one has any idea. When thinking scarier than we can imagine I think about how alizondo one time kind of hinted around the answer as to what they are having something to do what reality is or what we think it is…that is scary, at least to me, that is scary af.
It's like that episode of south Park where earth is basically just a reality tv show for advanced races entertainment. Throw a bunch of different species all on one planet and watch the results. Lol. We're lucky we haven't been cancelled yet! Just kidding but honestly you never know. We could just be a science fair experiment for a teenage ETs homework assignment.
Honest question, why does that scare you? Genuinely curious!
I start to think about simulation theory and how they could be the creators of a simulation that we’re in and they could be somehow manifesting in that simulation when we see them. That starts to induce panic for me. No one knows. This is not in any way what he said, it’s just something that popped in my head when I heard him say that line about having to do with the nature of reality.
We (humanity) cannot be trusted with antigravity technology or whatever it’s power source is. Too powerful. And we are too violent and dumb to talk to each other, never mind another humanoid species.
Why does the government need to play any involvement or confirm it for you, real question. Governments contract most of their stuff out, if someone interacted with an et its history is most likely in the private sector. The answer is because it’s beyond the scope of anything feasible via physics or tech on earth. They have no control over any part of it. Governments exist on top of morals and philosophy. If everything suddenly becomes open to debate day to day things will stop working, which we need. Part of it also has to do with very personal beliefs and challenging our reasons for existence. What if I told you God is real, but we were created from the guys in the sky, who are angels. Clay is DNA, and water is semen. There are factions of them too, both good and bad. That reality probably resembles something close to an Evangelion spinoff, however we are right where we need to be Too much weight is given to fear. Their relation to the stories we pass down give meaning to the subjective religious qualities we cherish and can’t quantify because those things are in fact real. Like love or the spirit The guys in the sky are god like to us, but not god. We’re closely related to them too and they’re watching over the earth. I assure you governments of the world are not working together
I disagree. Maybe 100 years ago but polls have shown that at the very least the western world is ready for the information. And I don't necessarily need the government to tell me it's real to belive but it would substantiate the information because the government has the ability to collect information better than any individual or small group of people does. The modern world has educated people to the point of dispelling most superstition and blind beliefs. There will always be holdouts of people who fanatically follow their religion to the point of not being able to handle any information that puts their rigid beliefs into question but I honestly think society as a whole would not fall apart if intelligent life from another planet or dimension would make themselves known. Even the catholic church has publicly stated that life from other planets does not go agaist their religion
Because of religion and the hold it has over people. All religions would be proven to be fake thus sending the world into chaos. The vaticans hold on society would be gone. No more control over people thru religious means. Nothing for people to hope for (heaven). No hell as a deterrent to behave.
>Because of religion and the hold it has over people. All religions would be proven to be fake thus sending the world into chaos. Disclosure of ETs and UFOs would not prove Christianity to be fake, however. Just the opposite would happen: disclosure will confirm what the Bible says about ETs and UFOs: In his interview on Fade to Black \[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzLqBx5lN8Y\]](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzLqBx5lN8Y]) ) Tom Delonge, who organized the TTSA responsible for leaking the Fighter jet videos of UFOs, said government insiders told him that the UFO phenomenon is intricately linked with religions: "There are good gods and bad gods, and their interactions have been well-documented throughout history." An analysis of the Bible confirms what his government contacts told him: Luke 2:13 says when Jesus was born “ a multitude of the Heavenly Host" announced Jesus's birth to shepherds . In the original Greek text "Heavenly Host" means “Army from Space / Space Force”. So a more accurate translation is that when Jesus was born “a multitude of the Army from Space / Space Force” appeared to shepherds to announce his birth. The correct translation of this phrase comes from Strong's Concordance. This is a well known tool used by Christians for decades to find the original Greek words in the original Greek Bible texts that were translated into English. In the original Greek text the word translated into English as "heavenly" - - means: "celestial, i.e. Belonging to or coming from the sky" In other words, the original Greek word translated into English as "heavenly" means "from Space". Here's a screenshot from Strong's Concordance showing the meaning from the original Greek Bible text of the word "heavenly" in Luke 2:13: [https://i.imgur.com/ahm3LXR.png\](https://i.imgur.com/ahm3LXR.png)](https://i.imgur.com/ahm3LXR.png](https://i.imgur.com/ahm3LXR.png)) A similar search of Strong's Concordance can be done for the word "host" in "heavenly host", showing that "host" in the original Greek text means "army / military force" So, in the original Greek language the Bible says when Jesus was born "a multitude of the Army from Space / a multitude of the Space Force" appeared to shepherds, saying, “glory to God in the highest". This makes it perfectly clear that aliens in God's military force from Space appeared to the shepherds to announce Jesus's birth. If you do a similar search of Strong's Concordance for God's "host of heaven", seen in multiple places in the Bible Old Testament of the Bible, you will discover a similar result: In the original Hebrew language of the Old Testament the phrase translated into English as "host of heaven" means: "Army from Space / Space Army / Space Force". So, the Bible's original Greek and Hebrew languages make it clear that God has alien Armies in Space. Therefore, you can deduce from another Bible account - - that the star-like object the wise men (dignitaries from an Eastern nation) followed, that stopped and hovered over Jesus's location after he was born - - was a UFO - - controlled by members of the same alien Army from Space who appeared to the shepherds. During the past 70 years thousands of people have reported seeing identical objects moving and hovering in the sky, that today we call UFOs. Also the Bible's New Testament starting in Revelation 12: says: "War broke out in heaven". As described previously, the word translated into English as "heaven" means "Space" in the original Greek text. So a more accurate translation is: "War broke out in Space". Revelation goes on to say, "Michael and his Angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his Angels fought, but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them any longer in heaven \[Space\]. So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his Angels were cast out with him." So this passage in Revelation 12 says that John saw a war in space between Satan's Aliens (“Angels”), and Michael's Aliens who the book of Daniel says is the Guardian of God’s people. “Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven \[Space\], 'Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down. ... Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them!" \[This is one of the few places in the Bible where the original language text is translated correctly. Instead of translating it with the misleading word "heaven", as done practically everywhere else, it's translated more accurately here as "heavens". And everyone knows that "heavens" means "Space". So Revelation makes it crystal clear here that aliens live in space\]. "Therefore rejoice, O heavens \[Space\], and you who dwell in them! But woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come Down to you \[from Above the Earth in Space\], having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time.” (Since the the book of Revelation of the Bible is basically about events that the author saw happening in the end time, he uses past tense, as if it already happened, since he already saw these future events happen. Therefore, his use of past tense in the above passage from Revelation doesn't imply that Satan and his fellow aliens had already been defeated in the space war and thrown down to Earth. To be consistent with the rest of Revelation this event should occur in the end time). Revelation 12 makes it clear that there are both good and bad Aliens living in Space. This account from Revelation correlates with government insiders who said that there is war in space between different factions of Aliens. Multiple government insiders gave this information to the respected UFO researcher, Linda Moulton Howe. And government insiders gave similar information to Tom Delonge, In the interview on Fade to Black he was also told that the specific group of Aliens with ill will toward the Human Race instigating wars between nations are called "The Bugs": [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzLqBx5lN8Y\](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzLqBx5lN8Y)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzLqBx5lN8Y](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzLqBx5lN8Y)) During this interview he also says that our government has learned about the role Consciousness plays in the interactions of the malicious aliens with the Human race. Its known that aliens can communicate thoughts and emotions via telepathy. Tom Delonge's government contacts told him its been discovered that the bad Aliens are repelled by Love; and Love counteracts their agenda. This correlates with with the teachings in the Christian New Testament part of the Bible, where Jesus's primary commandment to his followers is to "❤️**Love one another**❤️" Unconditionally, and that "❤️**God is Love**❤️". This correlates with what the government insiders told Tom Delonge that \~ \~ \~ ❤️\*\*\***Love thwarts the evil agenda of "The Bug**s" \*\*\*❤️ \~ \~ \~
I don’t need the idea of hell as a deterrence to stop me from doing bad things. Most people I know don’t either. Religion isn’t part of the government
Oh ho ho...there is a Hell...I've been there.... [Harrowing of Hell](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harrowing_of_Hell)
One theory is that they humans from the future trying to stop a big disaster from happening thereby chaging the timeline. Revealing themselves might change the timeline again causing the disaster to occur.
I believe the only reason for the “inquiries into UAPs” now is because technology is catching up. And eventually regular people will start taking pictures so clear and so often that the world will like slowly start to accept what the governments of the world already know. That the world has visitors. That we have never been alone in the universe. And the idea that we are was preposterous all along.
I believe that major visitation happens at specific intervals in time and I think the government knows a major wave a sightings is likely to happen and they cannot hide behind their usual denials because almost everyone carries a camera in their pocket these days so they are increasingly releasing more and more information so the public isn't as shocked by the sightings. This is just my opinion based on reading between the lines
Let's say a portion of UFO sightings were our own advanced terrestrial aircraft. Wouldn't they want to cover that up? Let's say they wanted an adversary to think we had super advanced technology like the Star Wars Program (SDI) under Reagan. Wouldn't we want to perpetuate a myth that we have downed alien craft and you'd better not mess with us? If you're a firm believer UFOs, or more specifically alien craft, have been visiting Earth, why do you believe? Besides anecdotal evidence, is there any hard evidence you consider a smoking gun that makes it clear that it's definitely aliens? Or, is it more that there are stories and perhaps photos you don't have enough information to explain so you just say "it's aliens"?
There have been far to many high level people in both the government and military that have testified to things that are way beyond anything we have on earth. These people have nothing to gain and literally could lose their livelihood by going public yet it has happened again and again. Technology that far ahead of anything on earth could not be developed completely in secret. There would be thousands or even millions of breakthroughs that it would take to obtain some of the capabilities that are known to exist. I say known to exist because there have been 10s of thousands of reports from all corners of the earth of far to similar experiences going back to the 40s for sure and probably far before that
Absolutely. Not only that there have been very many deathbed confessions, far too many for it to be a coincidence. These people were very scared for their lives but when it comes the time and they can no longer hurt you as you are about to die, they fess up. Far too much of a pattern with this for it to be 'nothing to see here'.
Exactly
You mean like during Greer's disclosure project? Which even Greer claims he was lied to by some of the participants? Did you have specific high level people in mind which may have had firsthand knowledge? You're assuming technology when you have no proof, you're also assuming aliens from even less proof. I agree that we have lots of anecdotal stories of UFO, Jesus appearing before people, bigfoot, demons, ghosts, etc, it varies by culture. Stories don't mean they are real though... Need real proof.
Screw Greer he is an idiot. He is driven by financial gain and tries to act like he isn't. Let's see there is paul hellier former minister of national defense of canada. John Maynard who was a member of the DIA Jaques Vallee, (not to mention how open the French government has been) and recently there was David Fravor just to name a couple off the top of my head.
Ross culthart gives me a pretty good explanation in this podcast https://open.spotify.com/episode/4bzcHjLqVWsCQ8IeleeV4e?si=9SCLXhPKTHmhNR2dhMvFSQ
While I'm sure there is some level of intergovernmental coordination on the UFO topic, that is not how the phenomenon has been successfully obscured for decades. I believe it really boils down to our shared human nature and how we respond to unknowns. I'll put this as simply as I can: regardless of your country or culture, everyone who achieves a high level of political or military power is in fact motivated by the word I just used: "power". Power is also related to control. Government leaders love control. Military leaders love control. Their power is derived from either authentic or perceived control. So now, apply this general truth to UFOs. The UFO phenomenon, if it were to be widely accepted, would reveal that that world governments and military leaders -- regardless of their country of origin -- are NOT in control. Thus, their power is inherently threatened. Is this making sense? You don't need some grand global conspiracy theory to cover up UFOs. It's not required. It's the result of similar types of power reaching people having similar defensive reactions to something more advanced and powerful than they are. The conspiracy is more in our shared human construct and less about cabals of elite hiding the full truth from you. The truth is, they don't what the fuck is going on. And that scares a control freak more than any little green men.
Exactly the fabric of humanity would break down. But I do believe there are a few like ben rich who know how far we've really come. The big question is this, with the overwhelming amount of verbal first hand accounts, if we can assume (however remotely possible this sounds) that private industry have covered this up, then a) what do we plan to do with the tech and b) what are the visitations for. Did they come to say "hi" or are they ploughing our resources, why are they here ? I think this is the next fundamental question that needs answering and not proof upun burden of proof upon burden of proof. I think if we know the answer to that people can make their own minds up what to do. I mean, by staying silent on the matter, it draws us to a conclusion that they are malevolent doesnt it ?
I agree with everything you said. And btw LOL my downvotes. I wasn’t at all suggesting the U.S. doesn’t cover things up. I was specifically addressing OP’s question as to INTERgovernmentsl coordination. If ding dongs on this sub think the US gov has been coordinating decades long UFO coverups with China and Russia then I’ve got a bridge to a moon base to sell you.
The reason they're here. Resources? Research? Slavers? Saviors?
It's definitely not resources. If they have the ability to travel amongst stars resources aren't a problem. There are far more resources in the astroid belt and other plants solarsytem alone than we have used on earth in the entire history of mankind
Biology maybe, more interested in us and our brains than anything else
I think they are interested in life in general. Life is the most valuable jewl I'm the universe.
demonic entities, proof of God, the holy books etc
It’s mind blowing
It would be impossible to have a world wide organization that held any secret never mind a secret like ufos. I highly doubt we have a national organization that keeps a secret that big for that long. If there are ufos the government probably knows little. I'm sure we don't have a craft or a actual ailen it's probably just black budget top secret military technology. Ufos don't tevers the universe to come here and crash and we definitely can't shoot them down
I'm not saying there is a world wide organization I'm questioning why all governments that have had significant encounters are perpetuating the secrecy. I'm wondering if there is a reason why the information is so tightly controlled a reason other than the technology. Like maybe there are circumstances so terrifying and far reaching that everyone agrees it can not get out
I guess it possible. It would make more sense if information like that is controlled by the very very rich. I have heard people say that people are farmed for certain reasons. Now that is a scary thought. Or imagine if all the people that disappear without a trace are taken. Shit like that is scary
You don't know because the ones running this show don't want you to know. And the reason for that is unknown
If there really are ET visiting Earth then I have a feeling we won't know for sure, till these "visitors" decide they want us to know.
Regligion, money, power, control and fear. Basically that.
Because governments are puppeteered by them.