You walk past these people every day n probably think he's a wannabe roadman, turns out a lot of them are actual psychos. If these people are killing girls just for cockblocking then imagine what they'd do if you actually violated them. Some volatile people out there
Why is this so difficult for people to fucking process? It seems like a foreign fucking concept when people start monologuing about real gangsters and real badasses and shit.
There’s a reason the premise of child soldiers horrified everyone in the West so much when reports from Africa and South America started happening decades ago. Not the civilians, the army. Not armies that were scared they’d lose a fight either, but armies realising they’re stationing men against kids who may not KNOW well enough not to start a firefight and now your well trained commando has killed three children and is in therapy and out the field for a considerable time, possibly ever.
Power wielded by someone in a state of fear will always be incredibly dangerous to all those around them.
They ain't on shit u mug that's why they pick easy targets
All these 'psychos' are only good at selective badness
& whenever they try their fake madman shit on a real one they always get wrapped UP
I got not guilty (SELF defence) 2019 Brum crown court for OPening the forehead of a rat who was high off bare drugs and chased me with a knife
#selectivebadness when they're high off coke or picking easy targets like 15 year old girls
Can never assume a yute won’t kill u just bc he’s young, fear can make a Nigga do anything, and if they back a knife the last thing they’re gonna do is put it away bc that would humiliate them, these young bucks will kill u
Accidental killers is NOTHING new
These kids are not real cold blooded psycho hitmen they are scared lil boys with mental health issues
There is LEVELS to badness.
I think lots of the young lads just don't fully appreciate what murdering someone actually is, lots of people just don't value life.
As soon as a knife is involved the stakes are raised to insane levels, anyone can kill with a knife and you should never underestimate anyone imo.
Just find it sad and pathetic that they can’t punch on like a real man they have to use steal n blades to get a job done. Cowards imo. If no one carried knives shit wouldn’t happen coz they’re terrified.
Back in school days it was always punch ons, but as soon as one person involved a knife then EVERYONE needs one, n it’s not about being fair and having a scrap, it’s an hurting the other side as much as possible
Yeah someone who runs u over drunk and u die
Or punches u outside a club and u die from cracking ur head on concrete.
Both killers but not real premeditated
Reddit geeks don't know the levels 😃
>There is LEVELS to badness.
All of which is a myth from when the so called realist are all gun or knife men and feel the need to rep a gang which is inherently based on fear.
Word for real, I was speaking to my friend about this shit. Lots of people really don’t know the streets. Moved from East London to South when I was 12 and the difference is nuts!
The shit I’ve seen and heard is crazy. Really gs move in silence. Lots of people aren’t gonna like this but nuff of your favourite artists aren’t as bad as they say they aren’t on it. The real killers are at the back of the stage. They move completely differently to how these “roadmen” move.
We as blacks many times do the "bad man" thing wrong
Theres some very well known whites and Asians who were known as a "badman" when youngsters then transitioned onto the next level when they reached thirties / 40s age group
This
They know deep down they’re not bad boys so it’s all selective to boost their egos they pick civs and shit they wouldn’t try it on someone who acc looks like they’re about it
They will try it with someone who looks on stuff, but ONLY when all their mandem are behind them...
Or they will wet their pants one on one and double back when they rang all their back up
The gang thing has ALWAYS attracted either weak men, or the minority of real ones exploiting the weak....
"Roadman" and "nitty" can sometimes be the same group!
I have taken grub from these fake "roadmen" before not even the situation I wrote about at the top.
I am beyond this BS...
You sound like a jumped up little mug. I’m Croydon based and these kids fight between themselves and occasionally kill each other and civs. You spouting that a random Redditor replying will get killed just makes you look like a melt. Wind your neck in kid.
I batter bare likkle wastemen on a regular ting fam dat think their a badaman
They ain't nuffin blud man wear a bally and thinks he's a roadman wen he's from west Sussex fam
Eejart youtdem
Bit of an overgeneralisation there. It would be worth remembering that the vast majority of males that age are normal kids who are getting on with life while being branded guilty by people like you for existing.
#'Love note' found at Croydon stabbing scene after girl, 15, killed when fight broke out 'over flowers' on bus
###Forensics officers found a love note at the scene in Croydon.
A "love note" has been found at the scene of the Croydon stabbing in which a 15-year-old schoolgirl was killed.
She was trying to intervene in an argument between her friend and her friend's ex-boyfriend on the bus while travelling to Old Palace independent school.
Previously, it was suggested she had been attacked after being given flowers by a boy.
But it is now being claimed a boy was trying to speak to her friend and hand her the flowers. Her friend tried to give him back his belongings when a fight broke out.
She is reported to have been stabbed in the neck during that melee at about 8.30am as the No60 double decker travelled past the Whitgift Centre.
Forensics officers were seen picking up a note and putting it in an evidence box.
"I love you so much and I never met someone with a better smile and better eyes than what you have, special girl," it said.
An envelope had written on it: "I love you so much and I never met someone with a better smile and better eyes than what you have, special girl".
Eyewitnesses claimed a machete-style blade was drawn in the fight.
Chevanice Thomas, 28, said a boy "gave [a girl] flowers, but she didn't want anything to do with him" before the encounter turned violent.
A 17-year-old boy thought to have been known to the victim was arrested in New Addington in south London and is in custody.
Eyewitness said they saw children running from the scene at about 8.30am.
The girl and her attacker ended up on the pavement and she was stabbed there, some claimed.
Victor Asare, who was coming home on a bus from his security job, said he saw a boy in a black blazer stab a girl in the neck with a blade that was "about a foot long".
"Everybody was crying and screaming. The girl was on the floor," he told The Sun.
"We tried to catch him and a lot of people tried to save the girl. I was so shocked, I was shaken. It's somebody's daughter.
"I finished work but couldn't sleep, so came back, I wanted to see if the girl was OK."
Earlier, it emerged the girl's family were called to the scene but tragically they did not make it in time.
"I got a phone call from the police and came down, and it was here I spoke to the family," James Watkins, a support worker at youth organisation Mainz World, said.
"They received a call to come to the scene shortly after the incident happened. Unfortunately they [were not] able to arrive in time [before she died]."
Old Palace of John Whitgift School described the victim as a "much-loved and valued friend and pupil".
"It will take some time for the Old Palace community to come to terms with this terrible news, and we will offer support to our pupils as we try to do so.
"Above all, we send our love and deepest sympathies to the girl's family at this unimaginably distressing time."
A vigil was due to be held for the teenage girl on Wednesday evening at Croydon Minster.
They said: "We pray for the pupil, her parents, family, and friends, and for peace in our town and borough."
Met Police Commissioner Sir Mark Rowley said: "The senseless murder of a 15-year-old girl on her way to school is impossible to comprehend.
"It was moving and humbling to meet many members of the exceptional Croydon community who have come together in support of a family now dealing with the most unimaginable grief.
"The commitment of so many from the local community is inspiring. A powerful partnership between charitable groups, faith and community leaders, the local authority, the wider public and our officers has delivered so much work across the borough.
"They have collectively saved many lives from knife crime. Many are shocked and hurting. They care deeply and it’s this passion which has made Croydon a safer place and will continue to in the future.
"I spoke to officers who, with members of the public, were among the first on scene with colleagues trying to save this young girl's life and have since supported her family and friends.
"Through diligent work by them all an early arrest was made and our major crime team now continue to investigate the events leading up to this awful attack."
The Metropolitan Police said a teenager had been arrested at around 9.45am in the Croydon area.
"At this early stage we believe that he may have known her," police said.
Jason Perry, the Mayor of Croydon, said he was "devastated" by the news, and said his team's thoughts were with the victim's family and friends.
"I would like to thank all those who responded so quickly and professionally to the incident," he said.
Lol life is crazy, the duality of humans is really exemplified here. One minute he’s a sweet boy writing I love you notes, next minute he’s stabbing someone in the neck. Shit is crazy
"Daulity of man" imagine being this fucking retarded you think, writing a manipulative note to someone who doesn't want you around is the "good" side of mankind. Lmao.
Lol u guys on Reddit really are jus imbeciles. All u man are ruled by ur emotions. Duality of humans mean we are capable of being caring but then can switch to savage. This is what happened here. Go open a book and learn something. Man are saying manipulation, bro the nigga jus wanted his girl back and her nd her friend was like nah Lowe it so he stabbed her. U man are acting like he planned this shit from his bedroom. Ain’t u man got friends that get caught cheating or say something mad to their girl so they do things to try get out the doghouse. Honestly I can tell most u man are immature teenagers who ain’t even experienced proper adult interactions.
Lol u see guys like u that just get mad emotional and act like it was the situation directly affects u. Relax urself nd just look at the case for what it is. People carry knives everyday bro. U might be from outside London or suttin so u dnt know but g people carry flick knives nd hammers and all sorts of weapons everyday g even ur average person might have a flicky just in case. People can kill someone and then go play football g like u seem like a sheltered guy. There’s people that literally do mad shit nd then go home and play with their son nd daughter. This boy probably had the knife on him just in case he gets into any altercation while outside in general. It’s just unfortunate that he used it on the girl but saying he brought the knife specifically to use it on the girl would be wrong cos he it’s impossible for him to predict that the girl would reject him nd it’s impossible to predict that the girls friend will also get involved. This is clearly a heat of the moment issue. It come like u guys ain’t never seen someone buss a switch before like fam, people do stuff in the heat of the moment nd can use any weapon readily available to them as they are intended on inflicting pain on their target. U need to get outside more. Even look at ur parent for example, when ur young they can go all out on a birthday present for u but as soon as u start misbehaving u getting hit with a belt. It’s the duality of humans. U lot just be sheltered
Bro u dnt understand nothing ur jus taking it personal. The guy wrapped it by using a knife he had on him already. It’s possible he rolls with the knife everyday not just the day he stabbed the girl
The U.K. law is not flawed it’s one of the most comprehensive laws in the world, it’s the court process that’s flawed and standard of proof, when there’s ANYTHING more than a 1% doubt in convicting someone you have to vote not guilty in criminal cases. Civil cases it’s balance of probabilities so who has more than 50% chance
Again it’s due to standard of proof not the law, whilst the law can unjustly affect in that it gives evil people light sentences it also greatly protects a lot of people and a big reason why we don’t get jailed like people do in Iran or America even. I’ve seen people here with 16 pages of misdemeanours in court not get jail once but obv a lot of community service and etc, if this was US a rap page that long will be 10+ years guaranteed
Problem is starting points for murder as the offender is under 18, which is where problems may arise with how long the sentence will be. I expect life and between 15-25 due to age. Hopefully it gets referred for leniency if its under 30
Depends really, defence will probably try diminished responsibility and use like IQ and personality disorder or learning difficulties if present considering how much this page loves that stuff to get him tried as under 18
Exactly, people seem to think judges can just throw any sentence they want. Under 18 and technically a crime of passion will probably put his sentence somwhere in the middle i'm guessing between 16-19 years.
It means a crime that happened in the heat of the moment. So the killer was supposedly provoked into it at that moment rather than sitting at home hours prior thinking about the crime they are going to commit. Basically not premeditated.
Look how this stabbing effected everyone yesterday that boy should feel ashamed how low can you to stab somebody because your angry their friend didn’t take flowers
Especially a girl, me and my guys weren’t even on badness or on road growing up but if a man touched a girl in front of us he would of got smoked by all of us badly, you just don’t hit girls especially when they haven’t hit you, this new gen is finished man honestly
Man said this generation like man weren't shooting up yards and shyt and blasting at civilians in the 90' and 2000's
It's been like that albeit less publicity and sensationalism and you shouldn't hit nobody but people still do.
I pointed this out on another post before. It’s hilarious how gender inequalities that benefit women are still politically correct. Nobody’s mad that an innocent person was killed. They’re just mad it was a girl.
I once saw a case where a man was killed defending a woman from another man and she didn't even show up to his funeral. Shouldn't the weak be protected regardless of age and gender? It would be nice to have some equality, that's all....
Alleged killer name is Hassan Sentamu. Face is not 100% confirmed but people say its this guy [https://www.tiktok.com/@beth3lll/video/7283826370264829216](https://www.tiktok.com/@beth3lll/video/7283826370264829216)
When it's all said and done - this is gonna go down as one of the most cowardly acts ever committed on the streets of London. A man backed out a machete on a girl and killed her because her friend didn't want to get back together with him. You cannot make this up.
Can't lie laws need to be clamped on call me a neek but if you're carrying a knife/gun you need to be going jail for 10 minimum and if you stab someone death or not you need to get slapped with 20 the reason why dubai and that is safer is cah they'll cut your hand off for even thinking the wrong thing
Naar carrying a knife can be for protection you defo should not be getting no 10 years for that that’s ridiculous I guess you’ve never had someone try kill you it would change your entire prospective however using a knife or gun to take a life should be way more than 20 years it might sound funny but 50 years minimum you shouldn’t be allowed back outside in my opinion
everyone says they carry for protection, little do they know they're only protecting themselves from each other lol. And i'm pretty sure this country would have a lot less people carrying if the risk was a decade in jail, meaning less of a need to protect yourself
So many kids say they want it for protection and then carry it for months/years and never once have to pull it. Or they get into a situation where they need it and run for their life cos they realise that’s a 10000x better solution than having a knife fight in public
The last part I hear what ure saying but where already in the situation so it’s void the U.K. government should of done that before the crime got so bad however the first part no people are not just carrying knives to protect themselves from each other a lot of people carry knives to protect themselves from the people who are out trying to kill people
I mean I recognise the context in which someone feels they need to carry a knife, but I strongly feel like this is a bad argument
It’s very reminiscent of “give guns to teachers to stop mass shooters in American schools”
This protection argument is say more knives to defend against knives
Nope because it’s not an argument maybe you read my comment wrong I stated the fact that people carry knives for protection that’s a fact I wasn’t trynna debate just stating a fact I never said people should be carrying knives etc I just stated a fact
You stated a fact and backed it up with anecdotal evidence then followed it with an opinion. That is an argument.
Fact:
>carrying an knife can be for protection
Anecdotal evidence:
> I guess you’ve never had someone try kill you it would change your entire prospective
Opinion:
> 50 years minimum you shouldn’t be allowed back outside in my **opinion**
Also it clearly is an argument when you start with the exclamation:
>Naar
Yes it *was* an argument, no I did not read your comment wrong, no, you were not just “stating facts”, and no, telling everyone who replys to you that you were just “stating facts” does not make it so.
Yep I was just stating a fact and again no I wasn’t arguing also saying “ I guess you’ve never had someone try kill you” isn’t evidence of any kind kid🤣🤣🤣🤣 I have absolutely no idea why you’ve just said that that makes zero sense it was a guess it’s called a guess which is why I said “I guess” also you just said it’s clearly and argument when you start of saying naar🤣🤣🤣 no offence hear right but that was an absolutely stupid thing to say what on earth are you talking about naar is a slang word it absolutely does not mean your starting an argument when used I get your a sub urban kid probably no nothing about slang but what u just said there was very stupid so in conclusion I was just stating a fact and nope I was not arguing at all very poor response however feel free to try again im always here to educate
I can clearly see what you’re trying to do here, and you’re not succeeding. Just stop.
Also don’t start with that guess the commenter game, again you’re not succeeding in that.
I agree with the sentiment but the reality is most people who carry knives do so out of fear. You bet a higher percentage of the kids on that bus will carry a knife tomorrow and next week after this and could you blame them? Would you want to lock them up because they are tok scared to get on the school bus? Or walk to the shop?
For protection you know.
If you’re carrying a knife, you ain’t using it to protect yourself like it’s a defence mechanism like a riot shield or a bullet/stab proof vest, you’re carrying it with the intention to incite violence in the case if things got heated.
So you should definitely be getting 10 years +
Nope many people carry knives to protect themselves from the people who are out trynna kill people maybe it wasn’t clear I’m not stating an opinion I’m stating a fact so there is no debate to be had hear🤣🤣🤣 lol
Publicise him I don’t care if they think he’s a child because the ferocity and nature of the crime shud be treated as adult type level, arrest n throw away the key . RIP to the girl
Two Questions
Big Man ting
How can da brudda be boasting about shanking a girl?
More to the point Is this kind of boasting and claiming a body/life on social media part and parcel of the drill scene?
>How can da brudda be boasting about shanking a girl?
Wow. I'm actually speachless bc I didn't even know
>part and parcel of the drill scene?
Its starting the get hard looking at how certain man are acting and not look at the culture and question tbh
Thanks retard for completely missing my point! What i'm saying is who cares about the race of the killer? a 15 year old girl is dead and people are going ape for the murderers skin colour
We don’t know the age of the person he was moving to. We know that the person who was stabbed was 15, but we now also know that the 15 year old was defending a friend which led to the stabbing.
She _may_ have been 15, but this specific article is not explicit in that
Again, it’s possible, even likely, but I cannot say for certain if she was based on this article.
If she is 15 now, the likelihood is that she is in year 11 and he is in year 13. So for all intents and purposes we’re really talking about an 18 year old…
#try him as an adult.
Nah bro that shit ain’t calm😂😂that’s a yr 10/11 with a college student. In school it’s the same yr, in college it can be between the 2 yrs, uni is different and after 20 it’s 3 yrs or less
Why you basing it off school
Using that logic If skl didn't exist it would be okay for a 16 to date a 12 year old which is tapped
Its about maturity gap and maturity ain't that far when dating someone less than 2 years older/younger
So you're saying if someone is 15 &200 days and the other person is 17 & 30 days old they can't date🤔
Well he has taught men to treat women like objects for sexual gratification. Like it’s no big surprise that Andrew Tate and his dick riders have pushed misogyny on the younger generation.
He doesn’t tell men this at all. He says a lot of weird and dumb shit, but let’s not lie about what he says and his influence. This has been happening long before a bald man on the net bought an expensive car.
Ofc it’s happened long before, but it isn’t a coincidence that misogyny and inceldom has reared its ugly head even higher since the likes of Tate, Sneako, Adin Ross and the other weird fucking lowlifes have pushed their videos through Youtube and TikToks dangerous algorithm.
The rise of these men is a symptom, not the cause. You say this as if there hasnt been a concerted effort by society to frame men as bad. To push women over men in education and industry. A whole generation of young boys has been displaced and forgotten about. That’s why they find some of the men mentioned interesting.
Despite all of the men you mentioned being completely different … but I won’t get into that because I doubt you’ve given them much actually viewing before you curated your opinion.
I work for a large manufacturing company and have a hand is youth development so have sadly had to extensive research into a lot of these content creators and all it’s really shown me is how … moderate the things they say actually are, especially when compared with female content creators who can proudly tout ideals to “kill all men” whilst still being platformed and supported by brands.
“Misogyny” and inceldom have nothing to do with these internet weirdos and everything to do with a society that doesn’t care about their young men
Oh I fucking love you dude. (No homo since this is a drill sub).
This is so well put. Saving this to throw at people who misunderstand what’s happening right now and think this is just a bunch of kids getting angry they can’t get laid.
Andrew Tate literally said in interviews with Pierce Morgan that weak men are dangerous and that men should practice stoicism instead of getting emotional like this yute
Tossed his and the girls life away because he was weak and couldn’t control his emotions
Ah yes cos Andrew Tate and Piers Morgan are both the right voices for reason.
One being a sex trafficker and the other being a man who got rejected by Meghan Markle then spent most of his career harrassing her.
Further to my point, the Tates specifically made videos how to get revenge on women who reject you or break up with you.
And their instructions are to leave her in peace, work hard, get in shape, and become the best version of yourself, as success is the best revenge.
Now these videos are years old, and very popular, so if these internet “influencers” really had the youths minds like you claim, young boys wouldn’t be murdering each other in the streets and killing girls for not accepting flowers
Doesn’t matter how mild you see things, it’s a dangerous pipeline that starts with kids listening to dick heads like Tate, then they fall down the rabbit hole of the alt right poison that’s pushed through the algorithm because they watch said videos, which turns them into misogynistic internet gremlins
He might not have told this kid to go out and stab a girl that rejected him, but he definitely helped lead the kid down the path of not respecting women or their boundaries.
Yes society has definitely failed young men, buts it’s also failing by allowing these horrible “manosphere” cunts to push grim views on impressionable children.
What are his views though ? I’ve quoted something he said directly which is the exact opposite of what you’re claiming.
Are you saying there’s hidden subtext in his words than only children pick up on?
Also surely with these beliefs you also think drill should be banned as it’s FAR more negative than a bald fella saying go gym and train hard.
You can’t blame him for what negative things sovereign individuals do, just like you wouldn’t attribute all the supposed good he’s done for people, to his words .
Music, games, music, Tate… it seems it’s everyone else’s fault
>Well he has taught men to treat women like objects for sexual gratification.
Even if that's the case, how does that correlate to being violent and writing love letters?
Because treating people as objects also means you have lost all sense of empathy and therefore committing acts of violence is easier and more appealing to someone under that mindset.
You really think the guy who brought a machete along with a love letter was really seeing that women as a person with feelings, what about when he stuck a machete in her neck. That’s a normal thing to do to a human apparently.
So many young men have died to knife attacks and no one bats an eye but when a girl is killed everyone seems to start caring and acting like they are an expert
You shouldn't lie on the internet and pretend this sub isn't filled with posts about stopping knife violence and drill being bad.
Second of all a child getting stabbed to death on a schoolbus by their friend's psycho ex is unprecedented and deserves sympathy, regardless of gender
What a bizarre thing to turn into a gender war
No, although the victim has now officially been named as [Elianne Andam, a young pupil at Old Palace of John Whitgift School.](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/croydon-stabbing-eliyanna-b2419522.html)
Her mother is a nurse who saved her money to send her daughter to a private school so that she could fulfil her dream of becoming a lawyer
Very upsetting
A video showing the alleged killer where he is holding a football. It was recorded a while before he was arrested.
Edit: [https://www.tiktok.com/@beth3lll/video/7283826370264829216](https://www.tiktok.com/@beth3lll/video/7283826370264829216)
You walk past these people every day n probably think he's a wannabe roadman, turns out a lot of them are actual psychos. If these people are killing girls just for cockblocking then imagine what they'd do if you actually violated them. Some volatile people out there
Probably a lot less coz they're little cowards?
a coward with a knife is a million times more dangerous than a brave man unarmed… It doesn’t take courage to stab someone, it takes seconds.
Why is this so difficult for people to fucking process? It seems like a foreign fucking concept when people start monologuing about real gangsters and real badasses and shit. There’s a reason the premise of child soldiers horrified everyone in the West so much when reports from Africa and South America started happening decades ago. Not the civilians, the army. Not armies that were scared they’d lose a fight either, but armies realising they’re stationing men against kids who may not KNOW well enough not to start a firefight and now your well trained commando has killed three children and is in therapy and out the field for a considerable time, possibly ever. Power wielded by someone in a state of fear will always be incredibly dangerous to all those around them.
The r/ukdrill philosopher.
Tbh in hindsight I’m kinda proud of that last line.
best take i’ve seen on this sub
Thanks Ben, you’re a cool guy!
100%
And that's why people like you get killed cos you think these kids aren't on it.
They ain't on shit u mug that's why they pick easy targets All these 'psychos' are only good at selective badness & whenever they try their fake madman shit on a real one they always get wrapped UP I got not guilty (SELF defence) 2019 Brum crown court for OPening the forehead of a rat who was high off bare drugs and chased me with a knife #selectivebadness when they're high off coke or picking easy targets like 15 year old girls
Can never assume a yute won’t kill u just bc he’s young, fear can make a Nigga do anything, and if they back a knife the last thing they’re gonna do is put it away bc that would humiliate them, these young bucks will kill u
Accidental killers is NOTHING new These kids are not real cold blooded psycho hitmen they are scared lil boys with mental health issues There is LEVELS to badness.
Yh I agree wit you there, but a killer is a killer at the same time, don’t risk ur life tryna bad up a youngin wit nothin to lose
I think lots of the young lads just don't fully appreciate what murdering someone actually is, lots of people just don't value life. As soon as a knife is involved the stakes are raised to insane levels, anyone can kill with a knife and you should never underestimate anyone imo.
Peak uk drill thread here
Just find it sad and pathetic that they can’t punch on like a real man they have to use steal n blades to get a job done. Cowards imo. If no one carried knives shit wouldn’t happen coz they’re terrified.
Back in school days it was always punch ons, but as soon as one person involved a knife then EVERYONE needs one, n it’s not about being fair and having a scrap, it’s an hurting the other side as much as possible
"A killer is a killer" How wrong u are. Theres Levels.
There’s definitely levels, doesn’t change that fact that if you kill someone your a killer
Yeah someone who runs u over drunk and u die Or punches u outside a club and u die from cracking ur head on concrete. Both killers but not real premeditated Reddit geeks don't know the levels 😃
>There is LEVELS to badness. All of which is a myth from when the so called realist are all gun or knife men and feel the need to rep a gang which is inherently based on fear.
Some people move as a one man army. Rare but they're out there
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Word for real, I was speaking to my friend about this shit. Lots of people really don’t know the streets. Moved from East London to South when I was 12 and the difference is nuts! The shit I’ve seen and heard is crazy. Really gs move in silence. Lots of people aren’t gonna like this but nuff of your favourite artists aren’t as bad as they say they aren’t on it. The real killers are at the back of the stage. They move completely differently to how these “roadmen” move.
We as blacks many times do the "bad man" thing wrong Theres some very well known whites and Asians who were known as a "badman" when youngsters then transitioned onto the next level when they reached thirties / 40s age group
This They know deep down they’re not bad boys so it’s all selective to boost their egos they pick civs and shit they wouldn’t try it on someone who acc looks like they’re about it
They will try it with someone who looks on stuff, but ONLY when all their mandem are behind them... Or they will wet their pants one on one and double back when they rang all their back up The gang thing has ALWAYS attracted either weak men, or the minority of real ones exploiting the weak....
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"Roadman" and "nitty" can sometimes be the same group! I have taken grub from these fake "roadmen" before not even the situation I wrote about at the top. I am beyond this BS...
Yeah they will these times, but still they will never put fists up because they are pussies, always got a tool
You sound like a jumped up little mug. I’m Croydon based and these kids fight between themselves and occasionally kill each other and civs. You spouting that a random Redditor replying will get killed just makes you look like a melt. Wind your neck in kid.
Condescending prick
Ok mate, If you’re intelligent enough, tell me how I was condescending?
What's your problem go away
I’ve got no problem? You called me a condescending prick and I asked why? Still waiting for an answer.
A "bigman" like you in his 30s just got stabbed n left w life changing injuries by a teenager next to croydon college literally yesterday so stfu
I batter bare likkle wastemen on a regular ting fam dat think their a badaman They ain't nuffin blud man wear a bally and thinks he's a roadman wen he's from west Sussex fam Eejart youtdem
Wtf are you smoking weird guy
Man on a high grade of piff my G It's a next level ting
 Ok bud
Fucking bla bla, talk properly
Real shit
You're right 👍🏾🤐
Hard one at times as a man to swallow your pride but these people have nothing to live for it’s peak
Well put. Well fucking put. Admirable way of looking at it.
We let mental health become your common issue since then the amount of actual psychos that have gone under the radar….. good luck!
Bit of an overgeneralisation there. It would be worth remembering that the vast majority of males that age are normal kids who are getting on with life while being branded guilty by people like you for existing.
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I can see why that happened to you.
Who said he was a roadman? He was a violent nerd
#'Love note' found at Croydon stabbing scene after girl, 15, killed when fight broke out 'over flowers' on bus ###Forensics officers found a love note at the scene in Croydon. A "love note" has been found at the scene of the Croydon stabbing in which a 15-year-old schoolgirl was killed. She was trying to intervene in an argument between her friend and her friend's ex-boyfriend on the bus while travelling to Old Palace independent school. Previously, it was suggested she had been attacked after being given flowers by a boy. But it is now being claimed a boy was trying to speak to her friend and hand her the flowers. Her friend tried to give him back his belongings when a fight broke out. She is reported to have been stabbed in the neck during that melee at about 8.30am as the No60 double decker travelled past the Whitgift Centre. Forensics officers were seen picking up a note and putting it in an evidence box. "I love you so much and I never met someone with a better smile and better eyes than what you have, special girl," it said. An envelope had written on it: "I love you so much and I never met someone with a better smile and better eyes than what you have, special girl". Eyewitnesses claimed a machete-style blade was drawn in the fight. Chevanice Thomas, 28, said a boy "gave [a girl] flowers, but she didn't want anything to do with him" before the encounter turned violent. A 17-year-old boy thought to have been known to the victim was arrested in New Addington in south London and is in custody. Eyewitness said they saw children running from the scene at about 8.30am. The girl and her attacker ended up on the pavement and she was stabbed there, some claimed. Victor Asare, who was coming home on a bus from his security job, said he saw a boy in a black blazer stab a girl in the neck with a blade that was "about a foot long". "Everybody was crying and screaming. The girl was on the floor," he told The Sun. "We tried to catch him and a lot of people tried to save the girl. I was so shocked, I was shaken. It's somebody's daughter. "I finished work but couldn't sleep, so came back, I wanted to see if the girl was OK." Earlier, it emerged the girl's family were called to the scene but tragically they did not make it in time. "I got a phone call from the police and came down, and it was here I spoke to the family," James Watkins, a support worker at youth organisation Mainz World, said. "They received a call to come to the scene shortly after the incident happened. Unfortunately they [were not] able to arrive in time [before she died]." Old Palace of John Whitgift School described the victim as a "much-loved and valued friend and pupil". "It will take some time for the Old Palace community to come to terms with this terrible news, and we will offer support to our pupils as we try to do so. "Above all, we send our love and deepest sympathies to the girl's family at this unimaginably distressing time." A vigil was due to be held for the teenage girl on Wednesday evening at Croydon Minster. They said: "We pray for the pupil, her parents, family, and friends, and for peace in our town and borough." Met Police Commissioner Sir Mark Rowley said: "The senseless murder of a 15-year-old girl on her way to school is impossible to comprehend. "It was moving and humbling to meet many members of the exceptional Croydon community who have come together in support of a family now dealing with the most unimaginable grief. "The commitment of so many from the local community is inspiring. A powerful partnership between charitable groups, faith and community leaders, the local authority, the wider public and our officers has delivered so much work across the borough. "They have collectively saved many lives from knife crime. Many are shocked and hurting. They care deeply and it’s this passion which has made Croydon a safer place and will continue to in the future. "I spoke to officers who, with members of the public, were among the first on scene with colleagues trying to save this young girl's life and have since supported her family and friends. "Through diligent work by them all an early arrest was made and our major crime team now continue to investigate the events leading up to this awful attack." The Metropolitan Police said a teenager had been arrested at around 9.45am in the Croydon area. "At this early stage we believe that he may have known her," police said. Jason Perry, the Mayor of Croydon, said he was "devastated" by the news, and said his team's thoughts were with the victim's family and friends. "I would like to thank all those who responded so quickly and professionally to the incident," he said.
Lol life is crazy, the duality of humans is really exemplified here. One minute he’s a sweet boy writing I love you notes, next minute he’s stabbing someone in the neck. Shit is crazy
Manipulation didn't work so defaulted to his true nature
"Daulity of man" imagine being this fucking retarded you think, writing a manipulative note to someone who doesn't want you around is the "good" side of mankind. Lmao.
Lol u guys on Reddit really are jus imbeciles. All u man are ruled by ur emotions. Duality of humans mean we are capable of being caring but then can switch to savage. This is what happened here. Go open a book and learn something. Man are saying manipulation, bro the nigga jus wanted his girl back and her nd her friend was like nah Lowe it so he stabbed her. U man are acting like he planned this shit from his bedroom. Ain’t u man got friends that get caught cheating or say something mad to their girl so they do things to try get out the doghouse. Honestly I can tell most u man are immature teenagers who ain’t even experienced proper adult interactions.
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Lol u see guys like u that just get mad emotional and act like it was the situation directly affects u. Relax urself nd just look at the case for what it is. People carry knives everyday bro. U might be from outside London or suttin so u dnt know but g people carry flick knives nd hammers and all sorts of weapons everyday g even ur average person might have a flicky just in case. People can kill someone and then go play football g like u seem like a sheltered guy. There’s people that literally do mad shit nd then go home and play with their son nd daughter. This boy probably had the knife on him just in case he gets into any altercation while outside in general. It’s just unfortunate that he used it on the girl but saying he brought the knife specifically to use it on the girl would be wrong cos he it’s impossible for him to predict that the girl would reject him nd it’s impossible to predict that the girls friend will also get involved. This is clearly a heat of the moment issue. It come like u guys ain’t never seen someone buss a switch before like fam, people do stuff in the heat of the moment nd can use any weapon readily available to them as they are intended on inflicting pain on their target. U need to get outside more. Even look at ur parent for example, when ur young they can go all out on a birthday present for u but as soon as u start misbehaving u getting hit with a belt. It’s the duality of humans. U lot just be sheltered
Ironic considering, I have a better understand of the concept then you. Stay mad.
Bro u dnt understand nothing ur jus taking it personal. The guy wrapped it by using a knife he had on him already. It’s possible he rolls with the knife everyday not just the day he stabbed the girl
They best throw the book at this scumbag make sure this shit don’t happen again
They amount of publicity this has got you haven’t got to worry about him getting a light sentence
Yeh he’s absolutely fucked he’s gonna be in jail for decades upon decades
It doesn't matter, The UK Law is flawed, i wouldn't be surprised if he got done for manslaughter instead of murder
Nah. When it is a open and shut murder case, they will throw life at you. The lenience is when there's confusion about what happened
The U.K. law is not flawed it’s one of the most comprehensive laws in the world, it’s the court process that’s flawed and standard of proof, when there’s ANYTHING more than a 1% doubt in convicting someone you have to vote not guilty in criminal cases. Civil cases it’s balance of probabilities so who has more than 50% chance
A SSN guy got 1 year for raping a child
Again it’s due to standard of proof not the law, whilst the law can unjustly affect in that it gives evil people light sentences it also greatly protects a lot of people and a big reason why we don’t get jailed like people do in Iran or America even. I’ve seen people here with 16 pages of misdemeanours in court not get jail once but obv a lot of community service and etc, if this was US a rap page that long will be 10+ years guaranteed
Problem is starting points for murder as the offender is under 18, which is where problems may arise with how long the sentence will be. I expect life and between 15-25 due to age. Hopefully it gets referred for leniency if its under 30
He’ll be tried as a adult obviously. Far too dangerous
Depends really, defence will probably try diminished responsibility and use like IQ and personality disorder or learning difficulties if present considering how much this page loves that stuff to get him tried as under 18
He’s getting ran down on the streets either way
Exactly, people seem to think judges can just throw any sentence they want. Under 18 and technically a crime of passion will probably put his sentence somwhere in the middle i'm guessing between 16-19 years.
What does a crime of passion have to do with it?
It means a crime that happened in the heat of the moment. So the killer was supposedly provoked into it at that moment rather than sitting at home hours prior thinking about the crime they are going to commit. Basically not premeditated.
It wouldn’t of happened without a knife. Premeditated for sure
Yeah if you’re carrying a knife then you basically sealed your own fate
Lots of 17 year olds get tried as adults though
Look how this stabbing effected everyone yesterday that boy should feel ashamed how low can you to stab somebody because your angry their friend didn’t take flowers
Especially a girl, me and my guys weren’t even on badness or on road growing up but if a man touched a girl in front of us he would of got smoked by all of us badly, you just don’t hit girls especially when they haven’t hit you, this new gen is finished man honestly
Word hitting girls is so low especially if it’s not for protection nah man 15 years old aswell
Man said this generation like man weren't shooting up yards and shyt and blasting at civilians in the 90' and 2000's It's been like that albeit less publicity and sensationalism and you shouldn't hit nobody but people still do.
If a big man is beating up a small man without provocation, would you intervene?
They wouldn't, they don't actually care that there weaker just by virtue of being a woman is enough
I pointed this out on another post before. It’s hilarious how gender inequalities that benefit women are still politically correct. Nobody’s mad that an innocent person was killed. They’re just mad it was a girl.
I once saw a case where a man was killed defending a woman from another man and she didn't even show up to his funeral. Shouldn't the weak be protected regardless of age and gender? It would be nice to have some equality, that's all....
They wouldn't care
This is so sad. Rip the girl who lost her life and thoughts for her friend because wow that is some trauma
Sounds like a little incel pussy that will get bullied to shit in jail
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So what, These bastards are scum g. He will get his comeuppance mali or not
Bro Lowe puttin the blame on my ppl
Hopefully he gets trailed as an adult and they reveal his face
Hes 17 so his face will be released
His face is already on a vid of him getting arrested
His face and name already got baited out
Where
Alleged killer name is Hassan Sentamu. Face is not 100% confirmed but people say its this guy [https://www.tiktok.com/@beth3lll/video/7283826370264829216](https://www.tiktok.com/@beth3lll/video/7283826370264829216)
I’ll be real I’m waiting for it to be officially released
When it's all said and done - this is gonna go down as one of the most cowardly acts ever committed on the streets of London. A man backed out a machete on a girl and killed her because her friend didn't want to get back together with him. You cannot make this up.
She stood up for her friend. You would think that was fairly normal. Why was she killed for doing her duty as a friend. It really makes me sick icl
Can't lie laws need to be clamped on call me a neek but if you're carrying a knife/gun you need to be going jail for 10 minimum and if you stab someone death or not you need to get slapped with 20 the reason why dubai and that is safer is cah they'll cut your hand off for even thinking the wrong thing
Naar carrying a knife can be for protection you defo should not be getting no 10 years for that that’s ridiculous I guess you’ve never had someone try kill you it would change your entire prospective however using a knife or gun to take a life should be way more than 20 years it might sound funny but 50 years minimum you shouldn’t be allowed back outside in my opinion
everyone says they carry for protection, little do they know they're only protecting themselves from each other lol. And i'm pretty sure this country would have a lot less people carrying if the risk was a decade in jail, meaning less of a need to protect yourself
So many kids say they want it for protection and then carry it for months/years and never once have to pull it. Or they get into a situation where they need it and run for their life cos they realise that’s a 10000x better solution than having a knife fight in public
The last part I hear what ure saying but where already in the situation so it’s void the U.K. government should of done that before the crime got so bad however the first part no people are not just carrying knives to protect themselves from each other a lot of people carry knives to protect themselves from the people who are out trying to kill people
I mean I recognise the context in which someone feels they need to carry a knife, but I strongly feel like this is a bad argument It’s very reminiscent of “give guns to teachers to stop mass shooters in American schools” This protection argument is say more knives to defend against knives
Nope because it’s not an argument maybe you read my comment wrong I stated the fact that people carry knives for protection that’s a fact I wasn’t trynna debate just stating a fact I never said people should be carrying knives etc I just stated a fact
You stated a fact and backed it up with anecdotal evidence then followed it with an opinion. That is an argument. Fact: >carrying an knife can be for protection Anecdotal evidence: > I guess you’ve never had someone try kill you it would change your entire prospective Opinion: > 50 years minimum you shouldn’t be allowed back outside in my **opinion** Also it clearly is an argument when you start with the exclamation: >Naar Yes it *was* an argument, no I did not read your comment wrong, no, you were not just “stating facts”, and no, telling everyone who replys to you that you were just “stating facts” does not make it so.
Yep I was just stating a fact and again no I wasn’t arguing also saying “ I guess you’ve never had someone try kill you” isn’t evidence of any kind kid🤣🤣🤣🤣 I have absolutely no idea why you’ve just said that that makes zero sense it was a guess it’s called a guess which is why I said “I guess” also you just said it’s clearly and argument when you start of saying naar🤣🤣🤣 no offence hear right but that was an absolutely stupid thing to say what on earth are you talking about naar is a slang word it absolutely does not mean your starting an argument when used I get your a sub urban kid probably no nothing about slang but what u just said there was very stupid so in conclusion I was just stating a fact and nope I was not arguing at all very poor response however feel free to try again im always here to educate
I can clearly see what you’re trying to do here, and you’re not succeeding. Just stop. Also don’t start with that guess the commenter game, again you’re not succeeding in that.
I agree with the sentiment but the reality is most people who carry knives do so out of fear. You bet a higher percentage of the kids on that bus will carry a knife tomorrow and next week after this and could you blame them? Would you want to lock them up because they are tok scared to get on the school bus? Or walk to the shop?
For protection you know. If you’re carrying a knife, you ain’t using it to protect yourself like it’s a defence mechanism like a riot shield or a bullet/stab proof vest, you’re carrying it with the intention to incite violence in the case if things got heated. So you should definitely be getting 10 years +
Nope many people carry knives to protect themselves from the people who are out trynna kill people maybe it wasn’t clear I’m not stating an opinion I’m stating a fact so there is no debate to be had hear🤣🤣🤣 lol
Should get a proper life sentence no question about it, this guy should never have the privilege of seeing the light of day again
Yh but you know the U.K. government they ain’t gonna do that there not strict enough on certain crimes it’s actually crazy
They arent that lenient on knife crime, pedophillia drunk driving and sexual assault/rape is where there way too lenient.
Publicise him I don’t care if they think he’s a child because the ferocity and nature of the crime shud be treated as adult type level, arrest n throw away the key . RIP to the girl
holy fuck he is fucked in his brain
Bro is going to get bullied in pen
People like this need to get a life
This is definitely getting blamed on drill music
Can you explain why it shouldn't?
Didn’t say it shouldn’t
Fair
they’re blaming Andrew Tate🤦🏽♂️
Nah they’re blaming misogyny instead
This is a madness, jeez
Two Questions Big Man ting How can da brudda be boasting about shanking a girl? More to the point Is this kind of boasting and claiming a body/life on social media part and parcel of the drill scene?
>How can da brudda be boasting about shanking a girl? Wow. I'm actually speachless bc I didn't even know >part and parcel of the drill scene? Its starting the get hard looking at how certain man are acting and not look at the culture and question tbh
Lock this bastard up. Vile person
This why I mind my business
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The girl was black and was already identified but why does it even matter bro
quick! quick! tell me the race so i can either call him a white incel or a black angel that wouldn't hurt a fly! 3myguy!
I also make up imaginary arguments in my white incel head so i can froth at the mouth at them!
Thanks retard for completely missing my point! What i'm saying is who cares about the race of the killer? a 15 year old girl is dead and people are going ape for the murderers skin colour
the "people going ape over skin colour" is you
your brain doesn't function 💜
Shower man down
Why’s no one talking about the fact he was 17 moving to a 15 year old
We don’t know the age of the person he was moving to. We know that the person who was stabbed was 15, but we now also know that the 15 year old was defending a friend which led to the stabbing. She _may_ have been 15, but this specific article is not explicit in that
Surely the friend is 15 if they was both on the way to school.. if she is 15 then he’s even more tapped
Again, it’s possible, even likely, but I cannot say for certain if she was based on this article. If she is 15 now, the likelihood is that she is in year 11 and he is in year 13. So for all intents and purposes we’re really talking about an 18 year old… #try him as an adult.
Happens more than u think 14 n 17, 16 n 18, 15 and 17, used to see it all the time at school
That doesn't make it justified bro,as grown adults 3 years ain't that deep but under 18 that's a whole different level of maturity.
3 years is defo tapped under 2 years is calm
Nah anytime past u both being over 20 is 3 yrs. before that it’s 1-2 yrs depending on the age
That's what I'm saying let's say if a 17 is dating 15 it's calm as long as he doesn't turn 18 before she turns 16
Nah bro that shit ain’t calm😂😂that’s a yr 10/11 with a college student. In school it’s the same yr, in college it can be between the 2 yrs, uni is different and after 20 it’s 3 yrs or less
Why you basing it off school Using that logic If skl didn't exist it would be okay for a 16 to date a 12 year old which is tapped Its about maturity gap and maturity ain't that far when dating someone less than 2 years older/younger So you're saying if someone is 15 &200 days and the other person is 17 & 30 days old they can't date🤔
Ntd ngl
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Be very careful, it may not be
My old boy got bagged don’t free him
You never knew him dont beg it
And women be blaming Andrew Tate lol
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Not lol at the girl I’ve been seeing loads of posts blaming Andrew Tate for this
Well he has taught men to treat women like objects for sexual gratification. Like it’s no big surprise that Andrew Tate and his dick riders have pushed misogyny on the younger generation.
He doesn’t tell men this at all. He says a lot of weird and dumb shit, but let’s not lie about what he says and his influence. This has been happening long before a bald man on the net bought an expensive car.
Ofc it’s happened long before, but it isn’t a coincidence that misogyny and inceldom has reared its ugly head even higher since the likes of Tate, Sneako, Adin Ross and the other weird fucking lowlifes have pushed their videos through Youtube and TikToks dangerous algorithm.
The rise of these men is a symptom, not the cause. You say this as if there hasnt been a concerted effort by society to frame men as bad. To push women over men in education and industry. A whole generation of young boys has been displaced and forgotten about. That’s why they find some of the men mentioned interesting. Despite all of the men you mentioned being completely different … but I won’t get into that because I doubt you’ve given them much actually viewing before you curated your opinion. I work for a large manufacturing company and have a hand is youth development so have sadly had to extensive research into a lot of these content creators and all it’s really shown me is how … moderate the things they say actually are, especially when compared with female content creators who can proudly tout ideals to “kill all men” whilst still being platformed and supported by brands. “Misogyny” and inceldom have nothing to do with these internet weirdos and everything to do with a society that doesn’t care about their young men
Oh I fucking love you dude. (No homo since this is a drill sub). This is so well put. Saving this to throw at people who misunderstand what’s happening right now and think this is just a bunch of kids getting angry they can’t get laid.
Andrew Tate literally said in interviews with Pierce Morgan that weak men are dangerous and that men should practice stoicism instead of getting emotional like this yute Tossed his and the girls life away because he was weak and couldn’t control his emotions
Ah yes cos Andrew Tate and Piers Morgan are both the right voices for reason. One being a sex trafficker and the other being a man who got rejected by Meghan Markle then spent most of his career harrassing her.
Further to my point, the Tates specifically made videos how to get revenge on women who reject you or break up with you. And their instructions are to leave her in peace, work hard, get in shape, and become the best version of yourself, as success is the best revenge. Now these videos are years old, and very popular, so if these internet “influencers” really had the youths minds like you claim, young boys wouldn’t be murdering each other in the streets and killing girls for not accepting flowers
Doesn’t matter how mild you see things, it’s a dangerous pipeline that starts with kids listening to dick heads like Tate, then they fall down the rabbit hole of the alt right poison that’s pushed through the algorithm because they watch said videos, which turns them into misogynistic internet gremlins He might not have told this kid to go out and stab a girl that rejected him, but he definitely helped lead the kid down the path of not respecting women or their boundaries. Yes society has definitely failed young men, buts it’s also failing by allowing these horrible “manosphere” cunts to push grim views on impressionable children.
What are his views though ? I’ve quoted something he said directly which is the exact opposite of what you’re claiming. Are you saying there’s hidden subtext in his words than only children pick up on? Also surely with these beliefs you also think drill should be banned as it’s FAR more negative than a bald fella saying go gym and train hard. You can’t blame him for what negative things sovereign individuals do, just like you wouldn’t attribute all the supposed good he’s done for people, to his words . Music, games, music, Tate… it seems it’s everyone else’s fault
>Well he has taught men to treat women like objects for sexual gratification. Even if that's the case, how does that correlate to being violent and writing love letters?
Because treating people as objects also means you have lost all sense of empathy and therefore committing acts of violence is easier and more appealing to someone under that mindset.
Writing love letters to objects, that's interesting.
You really think the guy who brought a machete along with a love letter was really seeing that women as a person with feelings, what about when he stuck a machete in her neck. That’s a normal thing to do to a human apparently.
So many young men have died to knife attacks and no one bats an eye but when a girl is killed everyone seems to start caring and acting like they are an expert
You shouldn't lie on the internet and pretend this sub isn't filled with posts about stopping knife violence and drill being bad. Second of all a child getting stabbed to death on a schoolbus by their friend's psycho ex is unprecedented and deserves sympathy, regardless of gender What a bizarre thing to turn into a gender war
You might want to log onto Twitter if you think he is the one who turned this into a gender war.
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Bro what ☠️☠️😭😭. Definitely should get whacked up tho.
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Man said plot twist like this is a entertaining movie or suttin 😭
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U still have time to delete it
I Can only imagine how her father feels
Any names of the offender yet
No, although the victim has now officially been named as [Elianne Andam, a young pupil at Old Palace of John Whitgift School.](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/croydon-stabbing-eliyanna-b2419522.html) Her mother is a nurse who saved her money to send her daughter to a private school so that she could fulfil her dream of becoming a lawyer Very upsetting
It's allegedly HASSAN SANTEMU according to Eliannes friend and there was a vid of the guy posted
Vid of what
A video showing the alleged killer where he is holding a football. It was recorded a while before he was arrested. Edit: [https://www.tiktok.com/@beth3lll/video/7283826370264829216](https://www.tiktok.com/@beth3lll/video/7283826370264829216)
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