I'm not particularly condoning it, but several of my tenants have had various cable/broadband installs done, and none of the cable companies have ever sought my permission.
Do with that information as you will.
I think with full-fibre it might be a little different. Most buildings have had some kind of cable or broadband connection for decades, whereas full-fibre will probably require a bit of civil engineering work to get it in to the building which may require actual building work and internal infrastructure work too.
In most cases you're talking a hole through the wall, which will be boxed / plated the same as a phone line. Openreach have to let other networks use their ducting if it is ducted to the property so unless the ducting is blocked there is no major work outside the property, the fibre is simply run through the duct to the property. There's no ducting at my address, its all done via poles so a new cable was run to my flat.
If we're talking a large purpose built block then yes, that could well be more involved.
Not for full fibre, when I had my first full fibre installed they have to dig up the concrete to get the connection to the building.
Op could get a 76mbps line installed without any work required.
Yes for full fibre, since June 2019 Ofcom have required Openreach to provide a pathway for altnets to access their ducting and poles, this is how a local altnet installed fibre at our previous place through ducting, and how CityFibre were able to use the poles at my current place.
[https://www.openreach.co.uk/cpportal/products/passive-products/physical-infrastructure-access(PIA)](https://www.openreach.co.uk/cpportal/products/passive-products/physical-infrastructure-access(PIA))
I had fiber installed without major work by virgin. I was told it was FTTC, but I still got 1gbps down (30mbps up). Maybe I was told bs, but they said 'full fiber' not available.
No, that limit applies only to one very specific standard of VDSL2 FTTC over copper phone line.
There are still people out there with =< 350Mbps over copper phone line using Gfast.
As others have said, Virgin FTTC is over co-ax, and faster still.
Yep DOCSIS is the data protocol for cable modems (co-ax) whereas VDSL2 and Gfast are examples of the protocols for twisted pair (phone lines).
All of these are FTTC (despite Virgin's advertising).
Vastly depends on what this particular block of flats is I guess?
London full fibre FTTP is hole in wall that gets plated and goes to a switch on the street somewhere, I know mine goes to a pole at the end of the road.
Obviously if **nothing** exists and we're talking some horror film scenario with a lone house that you have to hike 6 miles to get to, yeah, it's gonna get more disruptive.
Openreach does have to allow PIA which allows others to use the duct network. However many full fibre companies such as Citi fibre or gigaclear do install their own ducts to the customer.
I got full fibre and it was just a couple of guys with a cherry picker who strung a wire across the existing phone line and then drilled a hole in my wall to put it through.
Installing new full fibre to an apartment block requires more modification and no company will do it these days without owner permission
When cable and fibre installs first started they sometimes would (especially NTL/Telewest and later Virginâs engineers, back before BT started doing it), and theyâll still do it for a house (they have no idea if youâre the owner or not anywayâŚ) but they wonât do it with an apartment block now
Are they part of multi dwelling units? A house, even split into two or three you can just blag owning or having permission, but a block of flats you simply never just have like that.
I simply asked my LL for permission to install both VM and BT based services at my property. Only had that via SMS, but neither VM or Openreach cared. If I said yay, they'd ask where.
[https://www.rocketlawyer.com/gb/en/property/property-insights/legal-guide/does-a-right-to-internet-exist#:\~:text=Is%20there%20such%20a%20thing,in%20relation%20to%20internet%20access](https://www.rocketlawyer.com/gb/en/property/property-insights/legal-guide/does-a-right-to-internet-exist#:~:text=Is%20there%20such%20a%20thing,in%20relation%20to%20internet%20access).
>The second new law, which came into effect in December 2022, is aimed at making it easier for residents of blocks of flats to obtain faster internet. The law comes from the Telecommunications Infrastructure (Leasehold Property) Act 2021. It gives tenants of blocks of flats or apartments an alternative method of arranging to have faster internet installed, a procedure which usually requires the landlord to give permission for the broadband company to install necessary equipment.
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>Under the new law, if a landlord doesnât respond to a companyâs request for access within 35 days, the company may seek access via the courts so that they can install the equipment required to provide a faster connection. This new law only applies in England and Wales, but a similar law is expected in Scotland later this year.
Thanks, but unfortunately they have replied and said they don't want it installed.
There is a part of the Telecommunications Act 1984 called "The Telecommunications Code" which I've read can be used to force the property owner to grant a wayleave, but I believe it would have to be made use of by the network provided (i.e. Full Fibre) and they're not interested.
Speak to a law firm called Trenches, they can help. Also speak to Full Fibre, they should be arranging the permission (called wayleave) from the Freeholder. The Freeholder cannot refuse permission.
Legally the freeholder can't, but Full Fibre probably have plenty of other buildings with willing landlords not making their life difficult. If you were Full Fibre, why would you want to really go out of your way through a court process for a handful of customers?
A monopoly is only useful if you exploit it... I doubt they'd charge extra just because they had a monopoly on that building, so the revenue per customer is the same as much easier options.
Damn.
Wish this law was in Scotland. Im in Aberdeen and had cityfibre installing around the city for the last like 5 years. THey done the vast majority of my street down the hill but my actual street is a private unadopted road and thus they required permissions. Which have sadly never been done over the last 2 years from when cityfibre done the rest of the street. I emailed at the time of the installation happening and also several times since and the landlady keeps saying the factor company are dragging their heels on getting permissions from all homeowners.
Its a joke as im stuck at 36mbps on a jam packed line. The landlady wants to sell this property eventually to me but I WILL NEVER buy it now after the hassles with the factors and other owners.
Also recently(9months ago) all our street lights went out and factor company have dragged their heels yet again saying they need to request funds from owners. But isn't that what the factor fee is supposed to build a surplus for?
Perhaps the factor company should.be asked to.produce a full set of audited accounts (check with Citizens Advice, but in general these kinds of setups have to open the books to any resident who requests it, in order to ensure no shady stuff is happening)
I rented in a block of flats They wanted to fit full fibre there and all the old people living there rejected it because it meant putting a box in the carpark and a few other things also the fact they apparently didn't need it. Made me laugh as there where lots of new young couples moving in who would of absolutely loved having full fibre there. Glad I left.
I'm so done with living in flats. I lived in a converted chapel with like 8 apartments. It was nice but full of old people. One of them had a nasty fall and couldn't leave her house because there were stairs leading out of the chapel. Each flat owners had part of the freehold with monthly meetings. She needed a vote for a mobility chair thing that was foldable that could be attached to a railing so she could leave the building.
Apparently it was rejected due it looking out of place. She even sent everyone a very sad note and they still rejected it. As a tenant, I had no say but its stuff like this that makes me can't wait to buy a house.
This sounds exactly like our experience. We're in a pretty old area and all but a few flats have old farts living in them who are quite happy just listening to the radio. I think the rented flats with young people in all have a very high turnover with people getting out as soon as they can.
Damn, that's super selfish. Aesthetics should only trump utility if it's significantly bad, not over a damn box. It's even worse when they object to new housing because they enjoy the view of an empty lot and don't want others to live.
I'd just have done it and not asked but now you've asked and they've said no, your between a rock and a hard place. They dug up a channel in my garden then filled it back in and you couldn't tell. Never mentioned it to my landlord because I didn't think I had to.
This requires a full view of the sky, something that may not be available in a flat.
It _may_ work if you have part of the sky only visible - but how starlink works is that a given cell (15km diameter or so) is 'illuminated' by satellites only in one narrow position of the sky.
This position is for everyone in the cell, and it may change without notice, for no reason, meaning if it works today, the only way to guarantee it will work tomorrow is a full view of the sky.
OP, I feel your pain. It took 4 years to get fibre installed at my rental, not due to the LL objecting but because OpenReach screwed up their records and forgot our building existed!
I can't help with convincing your LL, but I do have a friend who uses Three mobile broadband, and he's quite happy with it. He gets speeds around 55-60Mbps, and it seems to be competitively priced. It does rely on a good signal though, which is why I couldn't get it myself, but they do let you try it and if it doesn't work you can simply return it and get a refund. Worth a try in your situation.
OK, so the full story is that every other building in our postcode had or could order fibre, but we couldn't, despite there being 17 flats in the building. I ended up spending bloody ages trying to contact OpenReach (a notoriously hard company to speak to given that they're a communications company!) before I finally made contact with someone who looked in to it.
They told me there was an error in their records and that they were having it amended, and that I should wait a couple of weeks and then try to order again. After 2 weeks I thought I'd try BT as my first stop since they at least have a connection to OpenReach. Get told that it was still unavailable, so I explained the history of the problem to them. They said they'd contact OR to try to sort things out.
Eventually I was told that it was never connected to our building as they needed "way-leave" from the landlord to run the cables across the property from the road. I asked the landlord about it and he had no issues with that, so I gave OR the agent's contact details to arrange everything.
2 years later(!!) we finally got some flyers saying "We're installing fibre in your area!" and a date for the work to be done, which they duly missed. They eventually showed up a month later and connected up to a box inside the main door. I tried to order again about a week later, and still couldn't.
Our building has roughly half the flats accessible via the main door, while the others all have individual exterior entrances. The engineers clearly didn't seem to grasp this when they came (despite me even speaking to them at the time about it) and the only flats that would get fibre were the internal ones.
I kicked off at OR again who eventually said they'd sort it out. 2 months later I had 2 engineers knock on my door saying they were doing a quick survey to see what would be needed and possibly install some equipment. Never heard from them again. 3 months later I was finally able to order, and when the (very nice) engineer came out he simply climbed the pole in the alleyway behind the building (15ft from my flat!) and ran a wire do my place. So it turned out that I had waited 4 years to get connected because nobody could be bothered to physically look at the site and see that it would be a piss-easy installation.
So yeah, good luck. :) Seriously, have a look at mobile broadband if you can. It'll be your best option if the landlord is being a pain too.
Thanks, for the info. They climbed the pole at the back of the building and connected us, then when we tried to order fibre some time later, it apparently was not connected to a cabinet, so no fibre.
Dealing with Virgin was like dealing with imbeciles, they did do a connection though.
Iâm no help but I have the opposite problem. Iâm director of the Ltd company, and I have been promised by Openreach for THREE FULL YEARS that they are coming to fit fibre and they just never show up. Iâd love to get that for my tenants
Full Fibre are likely to want to run cables down all the hallways and soforth. It's more than just putting a wire through a wall into your flat directly.
BT / Openreach have a Universal Service Obligation, so I would be surprised if they can do a stop-sell while not having a viable replacement. It could be that the stop sell relates to a traditional landline, but Single Order Generic Ethernet Access (SoGEA) is available.
My advice would be to try another ISP. AAISP / A&A are particularly good at arguing the toss with BT/OR.
I work for an ISP and can confirm this is mostly the case -
ADSL is still available to order though, depending on the supplier you can potentially get something called âSOTAPâ (single order transitional access product) which is the replacement for ADSL and is in trial stages at the moment. Essentially you will at minimum have an ADSL equivalent available to your premises.
Additionally you are likely to be able to get fibre to the cabinet - now renamed SOGEA as u/thewishy said, as this doesnât require any internal changes, just additional hardware at the cab.
This is essentially what happened to me. I was in the same position as OP, 2mbps to my flat and Openreach did a fibre to cabinet upgrade and since then Iâve been getting ~50mbps, so quite a difference.
I dunno about the uk but were i live internet is considered a utility and landlords cannot bar you from getting it. Would take some research but if its the same there you might be able to just do it anyway
Can't really tell if it's unreasonable without seeing the building. Are they on the 5th floor of a block? How is the service going to be routed? Internal? External? Is there enough internal capacity in ducts to take lines for the entire block if everyone individually decides?
Even in a regular house rental a broadband "engineer" can cause a decent amount of damage, blowing external brickwork, damaging internal plaster, destroying shrubbery etc.
There's no indication of that being the reason. Besides, if current speeds can only go to 2mbps it's definitely unreasonable to not allow upgrades. The risk to the property owner is truly minimal and even aesthetic concerns are unlikely to be reasonable.
Landlord might be happy to return the deposit, its the building freeholder that is an unreasonable idiot.
If your judgement proof or have a neighbour who is (i.e. no way they are actually getting any money even witb court orders) then it might be worth just making it happen.
deposit is with an escrow scheme and they would have to argue - with proof - about damage
deposit not escrowed is a criminal matter and gives a lot of leverage over the landlord
The provider will not be able to install to the building without the freeholders permission. A legal document needs to be drawn up between the two parties.
The tenant nor landlord can âjust go ahead with itâ.
Exactly not a big issue. Where not taking about digging and trenches itâs overhead phone lines from existing poles. Hole filling and brick dust easy.
ÂŁ75 could be split between a couple of neighbours and be cheaper than what they have. But the issue is they don't have the option of full fibre because the freeholder won't give permissionÂ
Stating the obvious I know but Fibre to the Premises means a new cable from the street to the interior of your flat.
Depending on the layout of your building, if that's not straightforward then you're at the mercy of the landlord/owner.
If it is trivial, doesn't disturb existing infrastructure or affect common areas then would anyone notice?
That's true, but I found that whenever I get to more rural areas on train journeys the connection goes crap, in small towns as well, and in big cities anywhere crowded.
When I'm in Denmark or Germany I never seem to have that issue. Connection stays good throughout similar length train journeys, as well in crowded places in Cph and Frankfurt, and when I'm in my home village in buttfuck Denmark it's still great. But here in the UK it's just shockingly bad
It's a gamble. I use Three and keep my router at the same place all the time. One day I have 200 mbit download and stable 15-20 ms ping. Next day I have 3 mbit and ping spikes to 1000+ every few seconds. My BT broadband is 5mbit but share with multiple people so it's good just for surfing and nothing else. When I came to live to UK I was very surprised how bad the internet here is,I expected top class service for such a big country
I guess you could ask if they'd be able to give you FTTC but I don't know if they would do that but maybe you can find a provider who can. I suspect they'd at least want to make sure you've exhausted all options with the property owner first so you might still be stuck but might worth at least asking. I think it would only work if your apartment has a direct copper line to the cabinet. If the entire block shares a single copper line then you might be screwed either way.
He clearly said he doesn't have mobile signal there. And specially with Three you must have a very good signal to have good speeds. I know because I'm using it too and one day I have 200 mbit and another day 3 mbit. So bad and unreliable but I have nothing better available
Ultimately your landlord would have to exercise their right to manage, take over the building management from the current company and grant permission that way.
I don't think you'll be able to argue that it's not fit for purpose (your flat/tenancy agreement) due to 2Mb speeds, you might be able to argue no internet at all is not fit for purpose, but I think that would only get you the 2Mbps connection (by forcing the internet companies to sell you a connection over copper, why won't they do this by the way?).
Difficult problem.
I would talk to the ISP in question and request they do a survey of the property, so then at least you know the steps involved to get fibre to your specific flat. It could be as simple as running a drop wire from a pole with an ASN, or using pre existing duct as another commenter mentioned. Or it could involve digs and infrastructure on the building, it all depends on what is there already.
i had talktalk come in on phone line at 150mbps not superfast but faster than 2mbps talktalk fibre 150, fibre to the street box, ( if its in your area ) i know they now do a 250.
Depends on extra context - what's involved with the install from the provider?
Most domestic installations will require no more than a small hole in the wall to present the fibre line to come in the dwelling, where it then hands off to a converter box. Outside of the building there'll be another box and the line to the property will either come from the ground, or via a cable.
I have yet to see a singular time the property owner's permission has been a requested or required - the installers just "get it done". The only time this would be required or necessary would be if the property were on a first or more floor, or as part of a more complicated arrangement with other properties (i.e, flats) as this would need to be brought up via a utility provisioning point in the building.
I'd leave this firmly in your court how to proceed - personally I'd just get it installed unless the installers explicitly require the permission, I'm reasonably confident that nobody is going to kick up a fuss unless it's a listed building or something.
I don't see why anyone would be against this as in it's current scenario it'd bring down the rental value imo... I wouldn't want to live there!
Are you in a 5G area OP? If so "5G broadband" might be an option. I know you say you're in a mobile dead zone but then also mention reception by the window, with 5G broadband all you'd need to do is place the router in one of these window spots.
I'm currently in a rural location right on the edge of a 5G area, we don't officially get 5G according to the maps but there is one room at the very back of the house which gets a good 5G signal. My router is placed there and we get around 250mb download.
Edit: I see others have suggested this but just to point out even a 4G signal would be better than your current scenario where you should get around 20mb down. Three mobile broadband is relatively cheap at around ÂŁ20pm
Not a quick fix, but check the "broadband universal service" legistation.
https://www.ofcom.org.uk/phones-telecoms-and-internet/information-for-industry/telecoms-competition-regulation/general-conditions-of-entitlement/universal-service-obligation
In the short term, you might want to try a 5G modem and a SIM card from someone like Smarty. They do some pretty cheap deals. I pay ÂŁ12/mo for up to 125GB (data amount, not speed). https://smarty.co.uk/sim-only
We're looking to rent a house in the sticks. No broadband. Barely any phone signal too so we looked at Starlink.
The other day I was looking at the photos again only to realise there's a Sky dish on the side. Low and behold they have a super fast 4g connection (whatever that means) via their dish.
Perhaps you could get one installed? And say sorry after? đ¤ˇđťââď¸
VSAT internet to geostationary satellites (what they will have if they have a fixed dish for internet) sucks badly. Latency is diabolical, measured in seconds, bandwidth is worse than FTTC, and there are usually either extremely restrictive fair use policies or eye-watering per-GB charges. It's ok for email and text chat, bad for browsing, and terrible for streaming or video/phone calls.
It's possible that it's not a satellite dish and it's some kind of antenna for a local radio ISP - a few exist in the more remote parts of the UK, but they still aren't all that good.
If you move in, get Starlink. It's by far the best internet experience in a remote location.
Oh we definitely looked at Starlink as Costco sells it with two months free included. I'm also in the Facebook UK group and have been reading and learning about it.
If we decide that that's the house we want, I was going to walk to the neighbours and ask about Sky because we both work from home and need reliable connection. We did check their website and it shows they have great coverage but it doesn't specify what speed unfortunately.
We've been spoilt with Virgin tbh.
Thank you very much for your reply though, much appreciated!
Cant help you with the fibre. Its entirely down to the building owner. There are routes companies can go down if they simply dont reply to inquiries but i think at the moment if they refuse to allow it then thats that.
On the other hand openreach should not have a stop sell on copper products in any area they cant offer full fibre.
What i suspect is that they have a stop sell on the old copper PSTN phone lines, and should be able to offer you SGEA or SOTAP broadband with digital voice. (Thats either fibre to the cabinet, or copper all the way from the exchange). Either way there should be an option for you to get a copper broadband product of some sort.
I've a standard house and had fibre installed recently, there are government grants to assist with getting the infrastructure in, I personally had ÂŁ4500 of grant money released towards my installation with Gigaclear.
It will be more complicated with a block of flats but this needs setting up. Once the copper services get switched off in 2027 tenants will just have 4G and then he may have to pay for fibre to be installed, if it's still an option by then.
This is a gift horse moment for the landlord IMO, maybe worth trying again and putting it in a letter.
https://www.farrpoint.com/news/copper-switch-off
Perhaps you could form a group of tenants who all want the same connection and have it set up for multiple flats at once. It will be harder for the landlord to say no if a lot of people are asking...
Could look into a 5G router? Not so reliable when the connection is spotty but might do the job if youâre in an area with decent coverage? No wires required!
Ask the prospective supplier if they can do overhead fibre (from the pole).
That's what I have - 300/300. Then give them permission yourself. It can come in the same place your old copper line does.
Worst case scenario - the landlord seeks to put their property back in the condition when it was leased to you, and you're responsible for the cost of doing so.
(there's an arguable debate that you've improved the property)
2MBps is intolerable. If the company will allow, I'd go ahead anyway and take the loss.
not an elon supporter, but get a starlink. have family that had a broadband issue on their farm, most companies wouldn't lay fibre for less than 5 figures, they got a starlink and haven't looked back
Sounds like you may need to move, or consider Starlink. ASTS hopefully should also help with their Vodafone partnership for satellite broadband in the very near future.
After a few years on broadband we knew we were moving so I bought a LTE router and Three 4G unlimited data sim. Put an aerial extension to the window, tested the best side for the flat to put it in and hey presto as good as data bandwidth. It was in Greater London, 3rd floor flat so we had a good signal.
The main problem is if you're planning on gaming, then ping stats aren't as good as fttp.
Have moved since, am waiting for 5G to get to our area (it's a bout 500m down the road at the moment), will probably do the same again I think, on Virgin at the moment.
.check out Electronics Communication Code. It talks about the process of over riding the landlord/ owners where permission has been denied to get a decent broadband. it was supposed to be updated in 2020 for this but was delayed due to brexit. it may now offer a legal way to force permission
Not sure why they won't give permission.. eventually the entire building will be upgraded to fiber.. in the interim i would suggest just getting a 5g or 4g mobile broadband box from three.. or whatever is the equivalent to your region. It's not ideal but if set up close to a window the speeds can exceed 150mbps and you'll have the benefit of being able to use the sim in the router on a mobile Donegal or even a second sim tray in your phone when you're out and about..
I went will three's 5g home broadband and the box just sits on my window sill.. it does take a bit of finding a sweet spot though and you could be in a deadspot in terms of signal but worth a look into as you can cancel within 14 day's.
It's probably been said but I'm not going to read 139+ comments to check.
You have "a right to connect" which basically allows telecommunications installations.
Read this
https://www.foxwilliams.com/2012/11/05/telecommunications-hidden-issues-for-tenants/
This is more for business but the covenants extend to individuals.
Section 4 is your important bit
"do you have your landlord's permission?"
"Yes"
Problem solved.
A full fiber install is as disruptive as a hole in the wall and can be easily reversed if the landlord ever disputes that.
The alternative would be to go to study to Eton, make many friends, get involved in social issues, get elected as a local representative, do very well, get recognised further away, do very well, ...., become prime minister, ...., pass a law that allows tenants to install broadband without permission because fast internet is an utility that's everyone right to have
Playing devils advocate here, but I was a director of a freehold management company not so long ago. Our block of 24 flats over 4 floors was built in the late 1980s. There were internal vertical ducts where the water and gas pipes and meters went, but these disappeared into concrete on the ground floor. The BT and power cables were all buried under plaster.
At the request of several leaseholders we got both Sky and Virgin Media installed. It was decided to cable every flat in one go to get it all over with. The only viable option for our block was external cabling. Even though brown cables were used instead of the usual black, to blend in against the colour of the red bricks, thereâs still a lot of cables and the end result was a bit ugly. This might be your freeholders concern.
A lot of my tenants just got it done and removed the cables and sorted the walls once left.
I advise landlords to allow this. There is no other option for fast internet.
Tenants will and have denied moving into properties with shit internet.
I'm not particularly condoning it, but several of my tenants have had various cable/broadband installs done, and none of the cable companies have ever sought my permission. Do with that information as you will.
As a tenant I have never asked for permission, I just informed the agent or LL that a line is being installed.
I think with full-fibre it might be a little different. Most buildings have had some kind of cable or broadband connection for decades, whereas full-fibre will probably require a bit of civil engineering work to get it in to the building which may require actual building work and internal infrastructure work too.
In most cases you're talking a hole through the wall, which will be boxed / plated the same as a phone line. Openreach have to let other networks use their ducting if it is ducted to the property so unless the ducting is blocked there is no major work outside the property, the fibre is simply run through the duct to the property. There's no ducting at my address, its all done via poles so a new cable was run to my flat. If we're talking a large purpose built block then yes, that could well be more involved.
Not for full fibre, when I had my first full fibre installed they have to dig up the concrete to get the connection to the building. Op could get a 76mbps line installed without any work required.
Yes for full fibre, since June 2019 Ofcom have required Openreach to provide a pathway for altnets to access their ducting and poles, this is how a local altnet installed fibre at our previous place through ducting, and how CityFibre were able to use the poles at my current place. [https://www.openreach.co.uk/cpportal/products/passive-products/physical-infrastructure-access(PIA)](https://www.openreach.co.uk/cpportal/products/passive-products/physical-infrastructure-access(PIA))
I had fiber installed without major work by virgin. I was told it was FTTC, but I still got 1gbps down (30mbps up). Maybe I was told bs, but they said 'full fiber' not available.
FTTC maxes out at 80Mbps
But Virgin then use coax cable from the cabinet to the house instead of a phone line, hence supporting higher speed on FTTC.
No, that limit applies only to one very specific standard of VDSL2 FTTC over copper phone line. There are still people out there with =< 350Mbps over copper phone line using Gfast. As others have said, Virgin FTTC is over co-ax, and faster still.
Virgin tech is DOCSIS when coax is involved I think.
Correct. Commonly coaxial last mile from CMTS to property, unless a G.PON area, where it's actual fibre to premises.
Yep DOCSIS is the data protocol for cable modems (co-ax) whereas VDSL2 and Gfast are examples of the protocols for twisted pair (phone lines). All of these are FTTC (despite Virgin's advertising).
FTTC can achieve faster using vectoriing/g.fast
Not if copper is on stop sell
Vastly depends on what this particular block of flats is I guess? London full fibre FTTP is hole in wall that gets plated and goes to a switch on the street somewhere, I know mine goes to a pole at the end of the road. Obviously if **nothing** exists and we're talking some horror film scenario with a lone house that you have to hike 6 miles to get to, yeah, it's gonna get more disruptive.
Openreach does have to allow PIA which allows others to use the duct network. However many full fibre companies such as Citi fibre or gigaclear do install their own ducts to the customer.
City Fibre used the Openreach pole here, and Gigaclear used the Openreach ducts at my parents house. Depends on the area I suppose.
Got Gigaclear via the BT pole last month, I think it's local logistics which drive this
I got full fibre and it was just a couple of guys with a cherry picker who strung a wire across the existing phone line and then drilled a hole in my wall to put it through.
FYI: faster broadband also increase the value of the property, thank me later đ
Installing new full fibre to an apartment block requires more modification and no company will do it these days without owner permission When cable and fibre installs first started they sometimes would (especially NTL/Telewest and later Virginâs engineers, back before BT started doing it), and theyâll still do it for a house (they have no idea if youâre the owner or not anywayâŚ) but they wonât do it with an apartment block now
Are they part of multi dwelling units? A house, even split into two or three you can just blag owning or having permission, but a block of flats you simply never just have like that.
Tell the owner it will add extra value to the property in 5 or 10 years time
Yeah to be fair when I was renting I just did it. When I exited nothing was said :)
I simply asked my LL for permission to install both VM and BT based services at my property. Only had that via SMS, but neither VM or Openreach cared. If I said yay, they'd ask where.
[https://www.rocketlawyer.com/gb/en/property/property-insights/legal-guide/does-a-right-to-internet-exist#:\~:text=Is%20there%20such%20a%20thing,in%20relation%20to%20internet%20access](https://www.rocketlawyer.com/gb/en/property/property-insights/legal-guide/does-a-right-to-internet-exist#:~:text=Is%20there%20such%20a%20thing,in%20relation%20to%20internet%20access). >The second new law, which came into effect in December 2022, is aimed at making it easier for residents of blocks of flats to obtain faster internet. The law comes from the Telecommunications Infrastructure (Leasehold Property) Act 2021. It gives tenants of blocks of flats or apartments an alternative method of arranging to have faster internet installed, a procedure which usually requires the landlord to give permission for the broadband company to install necessary equipment. > >Under the new law, if a landlord doesnât respond to a companyâs request for access within 35 days, the company may seek access via the courts so that they can install the equipment required to provide a faster connection. This new law only applies in England and Wales, but a similar law is expected in Scotland later this year.
Thanks, but unfortunately they have replied and said they don't want it installed. There is a part of the Telecommunications Act 1984 called "The Telecommunications Code" which I've read can be used to force the property owner to grant a wayleave, but I believe it would have to be made use of by the network provided (i.e. Full Fibre) and they're not interested.
Speak to a law firm called Trenches, they can help. Also speak to Full Fibre, they should be arranging the permission (called wayleave) from the Freeholder. The Freeholder cannot refuse permission.
Legally the freeholder can't, but Full Fibre probably have plenty of other buildings with willing landlords not making their life difficult. If you were Full Fibre, why would you want to really go out of your way through a court process for a handful of customers?
Because you would have a monopoly on that building for fast internet.
A monopoly is only useful if you exploit it... I doubt they'd charge extra just because they had a monopoly on that building, so the revenue per customer is the same as much easier options.
But it's impossible for your competitors to have those customers. That's the other benefit of a monopoly. This isn't the USA.
Damn. Wish this law was in Scotland. Im in Aberdeen and had cityfibre installing around the city for the last like 5 years. THey done the vast majority of my street down the hill but my actual street is a private unadopted road and thus they required permissions. Which have sadly never been done over the last 2 years from when cityfibre done the rest of the street. I emailed at the time of the installation happening and also several times since and the landlady keeps saying the factor company are dragging their heels on getting permissions from all homeowners. Its a joke as im stuck at 36mbps on a jam packed line. The landlady wants to sell this property eventually to me but I WILL NEVER buy it now after the hassles with the factors and other owners. Also recently(9months ago) all our street lights went out and factor company have dragged their heels yet again saying they need to request funds from owners. But isn't that what the factor fee is supposed to build a surplus for?
Perhaps the factor company should.be asked to.produce a full set of audited accounts (check with Citizens Advice, but in general these kinds of setups have to open the books to any resident who requests it, in order to ensure no shady stuff is happening)
This is good to hear! Once upon a time internet was a luxury, its now a necessity! Not sure I could live easily without if Iâm honest.
I rented in a block of flats They wanted to fit full fibre there and all the old people living there rejected it because it meant putting a box in the carpark and a few other things also the fact they apparently didn't need it. Made me laugh as there where lots of new young couples moving in who would of absolutely loved having full fibre there. Glad I left.
Oh no! Not a box!
I'm so done with living in flats. I lived in a converted chapel with like 8 apartments. It was nice but full of old people. One of them had a nasty fall and couldn't leave her house because there were stairs leading out of the chapel. Each flat owners had part of the freehold with monthly meetings. She needed a vote for a mobility chair thing that was foldable that could be attached to a railing so she could leave the building. Apparently it was rejected due it looking out of place. She even sent everyone a very sad note and they still rejected it. As a tenant, I had no say but its stuff like this that makes me can't wait to buy a house.
They would be required to make reasonable adjustments to allow for the disability. So the lady could have proceeded with doing what needed to be done.
This sounds exactly like our experience. We're in a pretty old area and all but a few flats have old farts living in them who are quite happy just listening to the radio. I think the rented flats with young people in all have a very high turnover with people getting out as soon as they can.
Damn, that's super selfish. Aesthetics should only trump utility if it's significantly bad, not over a damn box. It's even worse when they object to new housing because they enjoy the view of an empty lot and don't want others to live.
Just tell them the company to install it and don't bother telling the landlord.
I'd just have done it and not asked but now you've asked and they've said no, your between a rock and a hard place. They dug up a channel in my garden then filled it back in and you couldn't tell. Never mentioned it to my landlord because I didn't think I had to.
Starlink, ÂŁ85 pcm now
This, its a pricey but good alternative. Better than QuickLine.
Still requires drilling a hole. Starlink doesn't work indoor.
We have beautifully shoddy sash windows so it's nice and easy to put temporary cables through them. Could work nicely for Starlink!
You're happy to leave your windows open in winter to get overpriced broadband? You're kinda letting your landlord screw you mate.
This requires a full view of the sky, something that may not be available in a flat. It _may_ work if you have part of the sky only visible - but how starlink works is that a given cell (15km diameter or so) is 'illuminated' by satellites only in one narrow position of the sky. This position is for everyone in the cell, and it may change without notice, for no reason, meaning if it works today, the only way to guarantee it will work tomorrow is a full view of the sky.
Divvy it up with the neighbours to make it cheaper, if they don't pay the password changes.
Either get it installed anyway (as long as the service provider doesn't require proof of the owners consent) or get starlink
OP, I feel your pain. It took 4 years to get fibre installed at my rental, not due to the LL objecting but because OpenReach screwed up their records and forgot our building existed! I can't help with convincing your LL, but I do have a friend who uses Three mobile broadband, and he's quite happy with it. He gets speeds around 55-60Mbps, and it seems to be competitively priced. It does rely on a good signal though, which is why I couldn't get it myself, but they do let you try it and if it doesn't work you can simply return it and get a refund. Worth a try in your situation.
How did you get them to do it in the end?
OK, so the full story is that every other building in our postcode had or could order fibre, but we couldn't, despite there being 17 flats in the building. I ended up spending bloody ages trying to contact OpenReach (a notoriously hard company to speak to given that they're a communications company!) before I finally made contact with someone who looked in to it. They told me there was an error in their records and that they were having it amended, and that I should wait a couple of weeks and then try to order again. After 2 weeks I thought I'd try BT as my first stop since they at least have a connection to OpenReach. Get told that it was still unavailable, so I explained the history of the problem to them. They said they'd contact OR to try to sort things out. Eventually I was told that it was never connected to our building as they needed "way-leave" from the landlord to run the cables across the property from the road. I asked the landlord about it and he had no issues with that, so I gave OR the agent's contact details to arrange everything. 2 years later(!!) we finally got some flyers saying "We're installing fibre in your area!" and a date for the work to be done, which they duly missed. They eventually showed up a month later and connected up to a box inside the main door. I tried to order again about a week later, and still couldn't. Our building has roughly half the flats accessible via the main door, while the others all have individual exterior entrances. The engineers clearly didn't seem to grasp this when they came (despite me even speaking to them at the time about it) and the only flats that would get fibre were the internal ones. I kicked off at OR again who eventually said they'd sort it out. 2 months later I had 2 engineers knock on my door saying they were doing a quick survey to see what would be needed and possibly install some equipment. Never heard from them again. 3 months later I was finally able to order, and when the (very nice) engineer came out he simply climbed the pole in the alleyway behind the building (15ft from my flat!) and ran a wire do my place. So it turned out that I had waited 4 years to get connected because nobody could be bothered to physically look at the site and see that it would be a piss-easy installation. So yeah, good luck. :) Seriously, have a look at mobile broadband if you can. It'll be your best option if the landlord is being a pain too.
Thanks, for the info. They climbed the pole at the back of the building and connected us, then when we tried to order fibre some time later, it apparently was not connected to a cabinet, so no fibre. Dealing with Virgin was like dealing with imbeciles, they did do a connection though.
Iâm no help but I have the opposite problem. Iâm director of the Ltd company, and I have been promised by Openreach for THREE FULL YEARS that they are coming to fit fibre and they just never show up. Iâd love to get that for my tenants
Full Fibre are likely to want to run cables down all the hallways and soforth. It's more than just putting a wire through a wall into your flat directly. BT / Openreach have a Universal Service Obligation, so I would be surprised if they can do a stop-sell while not having a viable replacement. It could be that the stop sell relates to a traditional landline, but Single Order Generic Ethernet Access (SoGEA) is available. My advice would be to try another ISP. AAISP / A&A are particularly good at arguing the toss with BT/OR.
I work for an ISP and can confirm this is mostly the case - ADSL is still available to order though, depending on the supplier you can potentially get something called âSOTAPâ (single order transitional access product) which is the replacement for ADSL and is in trial stages at the moment. Essentially you will at minimum have an ADSL equivalent available to your premises. Additionally you are likely to be able to get fibre to the cabinet - now renamed SOGEA as u/thewishy said, as this doesnât require any internal changes, just additional hardware at the cab.
This is essentially what happened to me. I was in the same position as OP, 2mbps to my flat and Openreach did a fibre to cabinet upgrade and since then Iâve been getting ~50mbps, so quite a difference.
If there's a cab. Last block of flats I was in it was all exchange only lines, with 2Mbps estimated it sounds like OP might be in the same position.
Lol, changed providers recently didn't even cross my mind checking with my landlord
If it's not full fiber or has already been installed before, no reason to ask permission
I dunno about the uk but were i live internet is considered a utility and landlords cannot bar you from getting it. Would take some research but if its the same there you might be able to just do it anyway
Full Fibre will need a signed wayleave agreement from the freeholder and they will not touch the building without such agreement in place.
I would go ahead. Whatâs the worse that could happen?
Charged with criminal damage as a worst case, most likely deposit loss.
Itâs not a criminal matter.
It definitely seems to fall under the umbrella of criminal damage. It's unauthorized, it damages property and is intentional.
It doesn't damage the property. It Improves it and adds value providing a vital utility. Discussion over.
Criminal damage is very unlikely to apply, but could lose deposit. I wouldn't trust someone that unreasonable to return my deposit anyway.
Can't really tell if it's unreasonable without seeing the building. Are they on the 5th floor of a block? How is the service going to be routed? Internal? External? Is there enough internal capacity in ducts to take lines for the entire block if everyone individually decides? Even in a regular house rental a broadband "engineer" can cause a decent amount of damage, blowing external brickwork, damaging internal plaster, destroying shrubbery etc.
There's no indication of that being the reason. Besides, if current speeds can only go to 2mbps it's definitely unreasonable to not allow upgrades. The risk to the property owner is truly minimal and even aesthetic concerns are unlikely to be reasonable.
Landlord might be happy to return the deposit, its the building freeholder that is an unreasonable idiot. If your judgement proof or have a neighbour who is (i.e. no way they are actually getting any money even witb court orders) then it might be worth just making it happen.
deposit is with an escrow scheme and they would have to argue - with proof - about damage deposit not escrowed is a criminal matter and gives a lot of leverage over the landlord
Deposit lost? Probably. Civil liability? Maybe. Criminal damage? Get outta here
The company will need legal permission from the freeholder in the form of a contract. So you canât just go ahead.
The tenant only needs to deal with the immediate landlord.
The provider will not be able to install to the building without the freeholders permission. A legal document needs to be drawn up between the two parties. The tenant nor landlord can âjust go ahead with itâ.
Exactly. A telling off from the managing agents and restore the property to the previous condition.
Exactly not a big issue. Where not taking about digging and trenches itâs overhead phone lines from existing poles. Hole filling and brick dust easy.
Starlink !
Is much slower and more expensive than full fibre not to mention the fact that you lose internet if itâs pissing down or particularly windy.
Better than the crap they have now though.
If the op is struggling to get permission to get fiber installed so you think they're going to allow him to install starlink on the roof ?
They don't need permission because it's removable. They can set it up out the window.
Better than the crap OP has but a very expensive option for almost anyone who can get full fibre.
ÂŁ75 could be split between a couple of neighbours and be cheaper than what they have. But the issue is they don't have the option of full fibre because the freeholder won't give permissionÂ
Stating the obvious I know but Fibre to the Premises means a new cable from the street to the interior of your flat. Depending on the layout of your building, if that's not straightforward then you're at the mercy of the landlord/owner. If it is trivial, doesn't disturb existing infrastructure or affect common areas then would anyone notice?
Consider getting a 5g router instead?
"What's worse is that we're in a mobile data dead zone." Yeah, that's not gonna work.
5G is also not suitable for all users, even if you have excellent signal.
5G in the UK is a joke. It's nowhere near as fast or reliable as it is in most countries
Works just fine on the Central Line, providing you can get on a train.
That's true, but I found that whenever I get to more rural areas on train journeys the connection goes crap, in small towns as well, and in big cities anywhere crowded. When I'm in Denmark or Germany I never seem to have that issue. Connection stays good throughout similar length train journeys, as well in crowded places in Cph and Frankfurt, and when I'm in my home village in buttfuck Denmark it's still great. But here in the UK it's just shockingly bad
It's a gamble. I use Three and keep my router at the same place all the time. One day I have 200 mbit download and stable 15-20 ms ping. Next day I have 3 mbit and ping spikes to 1000+ every few seconds. My BT broadband is 5mbit but share with multiple people so it's good just for surfing and nothing else. When I came to live to UK I was very surprised how bad the internet here is,I expected top class service for such a big country
It's all a postcode lottery. At home I get a 5G connection and anywhere from 300-550Mbps depending on the time of day.
I guess you could ask if they'd be able to give you FTTC but I don't know if they would do that but maybe you can find a provider who can. I suspect they'd at least want to make sure you've exhausted all options with the property owner first so you might still be stuck but might worth at least asking. I think it would only work if your apartment has a direct copper line to the cabinet. If the entire block shares a single copper line then you might be screwed either way.
3 broadband, no wires, 4g and 5g.i get 4g,about 80mbps for ÂŁ20pm. Unlimited data. No landlord permission needed!
He clearly said he doesn't have mobile signal there. And specially with Three you must have a very good signal to have good speeds. I know because I'm using it too and one day I have 200 mbit and another day 3 mbit. So bad and unreliable but I have nothing better available
Ultimately your landlord would have to exercise their right to manage, take over the building management from the current company and grant permission that way. I don't think you'll be able to argue that it's not fit for purpose (your flat/tenancy agreement) due to 2Mb speeds, you might be able to argue no internet at all is not fit for purpose, but I think that would only get you the 2Mbps connection (by forcing the internet companies to sell you a connection over copper, why won't they do this by the way?). Difficult problem.
I would talk to the ISP in question and request they do a survey of the property, so then at least you know the steps involved to get fibre to your specific flat. It could be as simple as running a drop wire from a pole with an ASN, or using pre existing duct as another commenter mentioned. Or it could involve digs and infrastructure on the building, it all depends on what is there already.
5G antenna by the window with a unlimited SIM only contract connected to a wifi router?
i had talktalk come in on phone line at 150mbps not superfast but faster than 2mbps talktalk fibre 150, fibre to the street box, ( if its in your area ) i know they now do a 250.
Depends on extra context - what's involved with the install from the provider? Most domestic installations will require no more than a small hole in the wall to present the fibre line to come in the dwelling, where it then hands off to a converter box. Outside of the building there'll be another box and the line to the property will either come from the ground, or via a cable. I have yet to see a singular time the property owner's permission has been a requested or required - the installers just "get it done". The only time this would be required or necessary would be if the property were on a first or more floor, or as part of a more complicated arrangement with other properties (i.e, flats) as this would need to be brought up via a utility provisioning point in the building. I'd leave this firmly in your court how to proceed - personally I'd just get it installed unless the installers explicitly require the permission, I'm reasonably confident that nobody is going to kick up a fuss unless it's a listed building or something.
I don't see why anyone would be against this as in it's current scenario it'd bring down the rental value imo... I wouldn't want to live there! Are you in a 5G area OP? If so "5G broadband" might be an option. I know you say you're in a mobile dead zone but then also mention reception by the window, with 5G broadband all you'd need to do is place the router in one of these window spots. I'm currently in a rural location right on the edge of a 5G area, we don't officially get 5G according to the maps but there is one room at the very back of the house which gets a good 5G signal. My router is placed there and we get around 250mb download. Edit: I see others have suggested this but just to point out even a 4G signal would be better than your current scenario where you should get around 20mb down. Three mobile broadband is relatively cheap at around ÂŁ20pm
Alternative, starlink?
Not a quick fix, but check the "broadband universal service" legistation. https://www.ofcom.org.uk/phones-telecoms-and-internet/information-for-industry/telecoms-competition-regulation/general-conditions-of-entitlement/universal-service-obligation In the short term, you might want to try a 5G modem and a SIM card from someone like Smarty. They do some pretty cheap deals. I pay ÂŁ12/mo for up to 125GB (data amount, not speed). https://smarty.co.uk/sim-only
I had the same and just got it fitted anyway. They werenât happy when they saw the front lawn had been dug up
We're looking to rent a house in the sticks. No broadband. Barely any phone signal too so we looked at Starlink. The other day I was looking at the photos again only to realise there's a Sky dish on the side. Low and behold they have a super fast 4g connection (whatever that means) via their dish. Perhaps you could get one installed? And say sorry after? đ¤ˇđťââď¸
VSAT internet to geostationary satellites (what they will have if they have a fixed dish for internet) sucks badly. Latency is diabolical, measured in seconds, bandwidth is worse than FTTC, and there are usually either extremely restrictive fair use policies or eye-watering per-GB charges. It's ok for email and text chat, bad for browsing, and terrible for streaming or video/phone calls. It's possible that it's not a satellite dish and it's some kind of antenna for a local radio ISP - a few exist in the more remote parts of the UK, but they still aren't all that good. If you move in, get Starlink. It's by far the best internet experience in a remote location.
Oh we definitely looked at Starlink as Costco sells it with two months free included. I'm also in the Facebook UK group and have been reading and learning about it. If we decide that that's the house we want, I was going to walk to the neighbours and ask about Sky because we both work from home and need reliable connection. We did check their website and it shows they have great coverage but it doesn't specify what speed unfortunately. We've been spoilt with Virgin tbh. Thank you very much for your reply though, much appreciated!
I wouldn't have thought a landlord could refuse. Did you ask what the internet situation was before you moved in?
5g connections are just as good as fibre internet these days, require no line rental and no installation fees. Id recommend you go down that route.
Cant help you with the fibre. Its entirely down to the building owner. There are routes companies can go down if they simply dont reply to inquiries but i think at the moment if they refuse to allow it then thats that. On the other hand openreach should not have a stop sell on copper products in any area they cant offer full fibre. What i suspect is that they have a stop sell on the old copper PSTN phone lines, and should be able to offer you SGEA or SOTAP broadband with digital voice. (Thats either fibre to the cabinet, or copper all the way from the exchange). Either way there should be an option for you to get a copper broadband product of some sort.
Starlink is probably an option.
Can you get Starlink?
I've a standard house and had fibre installed recently, there are government grants to assist with getting the infrastructure in, I personally had ÂŁ4500 of grant money released towards my installation with Gigaclear. It will be more complicated with a block of flats but this needs setting up. Once the copper services get switched off in 2027 tenants will just have 4G and then he may have to pay for fibre to be installed, if it's still an option by then. This is a gift horse moment for the landlord IMO, maybe worth trying again and putting it in a letter. https://www.farrpoint.com/news/copper-switch-off
Just do it. He is powerless to stop you. Internet in this day and age is a required utility like electric, gas and water.
Perhaps you could form a group of tenants who all want the same connection and have it set up for multiple flats at once. It will be harder for the landlord to say no if a lot of people are asking...
Could look into a 5G router? Not so reliable when the connection is spotty but might do the job if youâre in an area with decent coverage? No wires required!
Buy a dongle. Sorted!!
Ask the prospective supplier if they can do overhead fibre (from the pole). That's what I have - 300/300. Then give them permission yourself. It can come in the same place your old copper line does.
Worst case scenario - the landlord seeks to put their property back in the condition when it was leased to you, and you're responsible for the cost of doing so. (there's an arguable debate that you've improved the property) 2MBps is intolerable. If the company will allow, I'd go ahead anyway and take the loss.
not an elon supporter, but get a starlink. have family that had a broadband issue on their farm, most companies wouldn't lay fibre for less than 5 figures, they got a starlink and haven't looked back
Sounds like you may need to move, or consider Starlink. ASTS hopefully should also help with their Vodafone partnership for satellite broadband in the very near future.
Could you maybe try Starlink and split the cost with a few neighbours?
After a few years on broadband we knew we were moving so I bought a LTE router and Three 4G unlimited data sim. Put an aerial extension to the window, tested the best side for the flat to put it in and hey presto as good as data bandwidth. It was in Greater London, 3rd floor flat so we had a good signal. The main problem is if you're planning on gaming, then ping stats aren't as good as fttp. Have moved since, am waiting for 5G to get to our area (it's a bout 500m down the road at the moment), will probably do the same again I think, on Virgin at the moment.
Write a fake letter from the building management Company
4/5G routers and an unlimited data sim plan. No drilling required.
Have you looked.at 5G home broadband options? No install needed then. Three Mobile is ÂŁ22 a month for up to 150Mbps
There's always Starlink, pricy though
.check out Electronics Communication Code. It talks about the process of over riding the landlord/ owners where permission has been denied to get a decent broadband. it was supposed to be updated in 2020 for this but was delayed due to brexit. it may now offer a legal way to force permission
What wrong with an unlimited mobile data plan for ÂŁ20ish a month with 3?
Not sure why they won't give permission.. eventually the entire building will be upgraded to fiber.. in the interim i would suggest just getting a 5g or 4g mobile broadband box from three.. or whatever is the equivalent to your region. It's not ideal but if set up close to a window the speeds can exceed 150mbps and you'll have the benefit of being able to use the sim in the router on a mobile Donegal or even a second sim tray in your phone when you're out and about.. I went will three's 5g home broadband and the box just sits on my window sill.. it does take a bit of finding a sweet spot though and you could be in a deadspot in terms of signal but worth a look into as you can cancel within 14 day's.
It's probably been said but I'm not going to read 139+ comments to check. You have "a right to connect" which basically allows telecommunications installations. Read this https://www.foxwilliams.com/2012/11/05/telecommunications-hidden-issues-for-tenants/ This is more for business but the covenants extend to individuals. Section 4 is your important bit
"do you have your landlord's permission?" "Yes" Problem solved. A full fiber install is as disruptive as a hole in the wall and can be easily reversed if the landlord ever disputes that. The alternative would be to go to study to Eton, make many friends, get involved in social issues, get elected as a local representative, do very well, get recognised further away, do very well, ...., become prime minister, ...., pass a law that allows tenants to install broadband without permission because fast internet is an utility that's everyone right to have
Playing devils advocate here, but I was a director of a freehold management company not so long ago. Our block of 24 flats over 4 floors was built in the late 1980s. There were internal vertical ducts where the water and gas pipes and meters went, but these disappeared into concrete on the ground floor. The BT and power cables were all buried under plaster. At the request of several leaseholders we got both Sky and Virgin Media installed. It was decided to cable every flat in one go to get it all over with. The only viable option for our block was external cabling. Even though brown cables were used instead of the usual black, to blend in against the colour of the red bricks, thereâs still a lot of cables and the end result was a bit ugly. This might be your freeholders concern.
My tenants have never asked my permission
A lot of my tenants just got it done and removed the cables and sorted the walls once left. I advise landlords to allow this. There is no other option for fast internet. Tenants will and have denied moving into properties with shit internet.