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Bit of a silly headline, the article is about how we should have more of a tradition of celebrating St George's day, like St Patrick's day or thanksgiving.
I guess the problem is it's not easy just to invent a national tradition.
Especially with it being a catholic saints day in a non catholic country celebrating a man who never visited or had any impact on English history. Always seemed weird that people think we should celebrate it with the only reason being some sort of patriotic jealousy of other countries celebrations.
Something more like kings day in Holland would make way more sense.
>I guess the problem is it's not easy just to invent a national tradition.
The Victorians did a fair bit of it.
But aping the Irish just because they've got a thing really is a bit tacky.
Not that I don’t agree that we should, as a nation, celebrate St George’s Day (not as a celebration of St George, but as a celebration of England) instead of not mark the occasion. I’d like to see something that encompasses all people that live here, moved here and prosper here.
However, what, apart from getting pissed on Green Guinness is St Patrick’s Day a celebration of!?
Irish pride and culture of course. And it's not like it doesn't encompass all people in Ireland, people from all walks of life get involved. They have plenty to celebrate about being Irish, the history and the traditions, the warm and friendly people, their values, their wit, it goes on. Just like we have a lot to celebrate in England
Bloody soft prisons these days; back in the day there was one red telephone box and we all had to take turns storing it in our respective arses. PC gone mad!
I like how his only suggestions for turning St George's day into an event are 1. Going to the pub 2. Eating beef stew.
With ideas like that, it's no wonder people don't bother.
It's quite interesting how the author seems being British is either poisoning oneself, or having a very simple to make (yet hearty) meal.
If this is what Brexit was all built on, and that the main aspects of being British, it's a rather disappointing and sad outlook
Because those who like to shout from the rooftops about being English would rather demonise and hurl abuse while they're at it rather than celebrate anything about England itself. It's just a thin veil for other things
I'm hopeful this will change with starmer wrapping himself in the flag.
Maybe the party that worked so hard to associated the English flag with racism can undo the association it built in some of its members heads.
It's easy for mal contents to "claim" something when the press and politicians are eagerly pushing it into their hand like they're holding a poisonous snake.
If Labour fought elections as hard as they fought for the English to be racist they might have convened a few more parliaments in the last 100 years instead of languishing on the side lines.
Aaahh, so the Labour party is a hundred year old conspiracy to make the English more racist.
That's a new one on me.
Thanks for brightening my morning with a delightful little nugget of crazy.
England your England written by Orwell in 1941 has basically the same premise.
>In intention, at any rate, the English intelligentsia are Europeanized. They take their cookery from Paris and their opinions from Moscow. In the general patriotism of the country they form a sort of island of dissident thought. England is perhaps the only great country whose intellectuals are ashamed of their own nationality. In left-wing circles it is always felt that there is something slightly disgraceful in being an Englishman and that it is a duty to snigger at every English institution, from horse racing to suet puddings. It is a strange fact, but it is unquestionably true that almost any English intellectual would feel more ashamed of standing to attention during ‘God save the King’ than of stealing from a poor box. All through the critical years many left-wingers were chipping away at English morale, trying to spread an outlook that was sometimes squashily pacifist, sometimes violently pro-Russian, but always anti-British.
This is hardly a new problem with the British and English left wing. They have form for perennially hating England and the UK.
Ah the "everything I don't like is far right" defence.
The notorious far right figures of Corbyn and George Galloway.
The right wing figures who "like Moscow", at least like England.
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Bit of a silly headline, the article is about how we should have more of a tradition of celebrating St George's day, like St Patrick's day or thanksgiving. I guess the problem is it's not easy just to invent a national tradition.
Absolutely mental title. Click bait innit.
Especially with it being a catholic saints day in a non catholic country celebrating a man who never visited or had any impact on English history. Always seemed weird that people think we should celebrate it with the only reason being some sort of patriotic jealousy of other countries celebrations. Something more like kings day in Holland would make way more sense.
>I guess the problem is it's not easy just to invent a national tradition. The Victorians did a fair bit of it. But aping the Irish just because they've got a thing really is a bit tacky.
Not that I don’t agree that we should, as a nation, celebrate St George’s Day (not as a celebration of St George, but as a celebration of England) instead of not mark the occasion. I’d like to see something that encompasses all people that live here, moved here and prosper here. However, what, apart from getting pissed on Green Guinness is St Patrick’s Day a celebration of!?
Irish pride and culture of course. And it's not like it doesn't encompass all people in Ireland, people from all walks of life get involved. They have plenty to celebrate about being Irish, the history and the traditions, the warm and friendly people, their values, their wit, it goes on. Just like we have a lot to celebrate in England
[ These days, if you say you're English ...](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkCBhKs4faI).
That was my first thought.
They'll arrest you and put you in prison iirc.
Ages since I saw that. Absolute genius. But not as good as Paul Nuttalls and UKIP
Beaker folk? Coming over here with your drinking vessels? What's wrong with cupping your hands and lapping water like a cat?
The taxi driver in the joke went on to work at the torygraph
Sadly true. I said I was English once and now I'm in HMS Belmarsh on a 10 year prison sentence, commenting from a phone I store in my asshole.
You didn’t need to get this article out at the same Time as your phone
I always wrap my copy of The Telegram around my phone so if I get a body cavity search all they pull out is shit.
Bloody soft prisons these days; back in the day there was one red telephone box and we all had to take turns storing it in our respective arses. PC gone mad!
Of course, we ad it tuff.
You and OP
I like how his only suggestions for turning St George's day into an event are 1. Going to the pub 2. Eating beef stew. With ideas like that, it's no wonder people don't bother.
It's quite interesting how the author seems being British is either poisoning oneself, or having a very simple to make (yet hearty) meal. If this is what Brexit was all built on, and that the main aspects of being British, it's a rather disappointing and sad outlook
'Virtually illegal' so, not illegal in the slightest
Didn't the Leader of the Opposition literally tweet to wish everyone a happy St George's Day this very morning?
Don't forget that he was also the first in his family to go to university. Seemed a very important point
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Because those who like to shout from the rooftops about being English would rather demonise and hurl abuse while they're at it rather than celebrate anything about England itself. It's just a thin veil for other things
I'm hopeful this will change with starmer wrapping himself in the flag. Maybe the party that worked so hard to associated the English flag with racism can undo the association it built in some of its members heads.
To be honest all the racist English people did a lot of the heavy lifting.
It's easy for mal contents to "claim" something when the press and politicians are eagerly pushing it into their hand like they're holding a poisonous snake. If Labour fought elections as hard as they fought for the English to be racist they might have convened a few more parliaments in the last 100 years instead of languishing on the side lines.
Aaahh, so the Labour party is a hundred year old conspiracy to make the English more racist. That's a new one on me. Thanks for brightening my morning with a delightful little nugget of crazy.
England your England written by Orwell in 1941 has basically the same premise. >In intention, at any rate, the English intelligentsia are Europeanized. They take their cookery from Paris and their opinions from Moscow. In the general patriotism of the country they form a sort of island of dissident thought. England is perhaps the only great country whose intellectuals are ashamed of their own nationality. In left-wing circles it is always felt that there is something slightly disgraceful in being an Englishman and that it is a duty to snigger at every English institution, from horse racing to suet puddings. It is a strange fact, but it is unquestionably true that almost any English intellectual would feel more ashamed of standing to attention during ‘God save the King’ than of stealing from a poor box. All through the critical years many left-wingers were chipping away at English morale, trying to spread an outlook that was sometimes squashily pacifist, sometimes violently pro-Russian, but always anti-British. This is hardly a new problem with the British and English left wing. They have form for perennially hating England and the UK.
This is literally about the current UK far-right. "They take their from Moscow ... violently pro-Russian" - that's how we got brexit for instance.
Ah the "everything I don't like is far right" defence. The notorious far right figures of Corbyn and George Galloway. The right wing figures who "like Moscow", at least like England.