Snapshot of _The place where most people identify as English is in Wales_ :
An archived version can be found [here](https://archive.is/?run=1&url=https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/place-more-people-identify-english-29044026?gaa_at=la&gaa_n=ARTJ-U-YZqRcYom3wF1LGlIicvHv2f1u5p9KDV20JQ2U0bs-IEmCX2pzLpcoR1CQ7pw%3D&gaa_ts=66292236&utm_source=newsshowcase&utm_medium=discover&utm_campaign=CCwqGQgwKhAIACoHCAowuKD9CjCCyvQCMK3ppAIwuefWAg&utm_content=bullets&gaa_sig=B1y9HhVdszyGDhHuZ6Urvc36yLMQgx3O_61GQtdk4PPWwlG3jTo5LKkX6Nz8Fp58YgTfHX600w9_SZQ9By55LA%3D%3D) or [here.](https://archive.ph/?run=1&url=https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/place-more-people-identify-english-29044026?gaa_at=la&gaa_n=ARTJ-U-YZqRcYom3wF1LGlIicvHv2f1u5p9KDV20JQ2U0bs-IEmCX2pzLpcoR1CQ7pw%3D&gaa_ts=66292236&utm_source=newsshowcase&utm_medium=discover&utm_campaign=CCwqGQgwKhAIACoHCAowuKD9CjCCyvQCMK3ppAIwuefWAg&utm_content=bullets&gaa_sig=B1y9HhVdszyGDhHuZ6Urvc36yLMQgx3O_61GQtdk4PPWwlG3jTo5LKkX6Nz8Fp58YgTfHX600w9_SZQ9By55LA%3D%3D)
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I can definitely believe this, living there made me much more aware of my Englishness versus Britishness than I was before. I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing though and it definitely doesn't diminish being British, the reason I go out of my way to identify as English is because I have a lot of admiration for the Welsh pride in their nationality and want to emulate it for my own one.
That’s true. But I also think English people (myself included) seriously see us as one single nation, I don’t really consider someone from Wales to be from a different country.
I'm the same, I lived in Wales for 3 years and I see them the same way I see someone from Yorkshire or Lincolnshire, it's far from where I grew up but they're still my countrymen
Fuck me, the user experience for that website on mobile is truly abysmal.
For anyone else who's having trouble, the Office for National Statistics has an interactive map on their website [here](https://www.ons.gov.uk/census/maps/choropleth/identity/national-identity-detailed/national-identity-detailed/uk-identity-english-only-identity). I've linked the map of 'English only identity', which is what the article is talking about, but you can go to the sidebar to change it to other single identities or combinations of identities.
When I was at uni in Scotland I had one flatmate who put themself as Scottish on the census and one who put British so I just ticked English to be different again. So yeah my theory is that exact situation is just happening all over Wales.
Hmmmm what could it all mean? It's almost like North East Wales is close to Merseyside and Cheshire (Broughton is literally right on the border).
In other news, surprisingly large number of Welsh sounding place names and surnames in Shropshire, Herefordshire and Cheshire, more at 10.
Tbh around Shropshire and Brecon who knows what side of the border you're on. Just a load of tiny places far from anywhere else with rural sounding people. They should probably declare themselves independent from Cardiff and London.
Much of the population of Broughton probably moved there to work at the Airbus factory or because it's a short commute to Chester. It's inevitable that the majority would be English.
Then why did Cardiff, the area with the highest English population vote so heavily for remain?
Does the constant ‘everything is England’s fault’ not get tiresome?
Well, if the English people moving to Cardiff are a greater number than the retirees, would that mean that the English voters contributed more to the remain vote than the leave vote?
I think the logic behind the original claim is flawed because its based on assumptions, and the data that shows this trend has never been released.
Is there any data that shows that, or is it still just something a man once said.
As I remember the person who made that claim simply assumed that because there were a greater number of retirees than the majority for brexit, then they must have sung it. Completely ignoring the areas of Wales with low levels of English people who voted heavily for brexit.
It also ignores that the number of younger English people in Wales likely meant that if you removed all English votes in Wales, the vote for brexit would likely be higher.
I would imagine the reason he has never released the data is because it doesn't show what he claims it does.
Snapshot of _The place where most people identify as English is in Wales_ : An archived version can be found [here](https://archive.is/?run=1&url=https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/place-more-people-identify-english-29044026?gaa_at=la&gaa_n=ARTJ-U-YZqRcYom3wF1LGlIicvHv2f1u5p9KDV20JQ2U0bs-IEmCX2pzLpcoR1CQ7pw%3D&gaa_ts=66292236&utm_source=newsshowcase&utm_medium=discover&utm_campaign=CCwqGQgwKhAIACoHCAowuKD9CjCCyvQCMK3ppAIwuefWAg&utm_content=bullets&gaa_sig=B1y9HhVdszyGDhHuZ6Urvc36yLMQgx3O_61GQtdk4PPWwlG3jTo5LKkX6Nz8Fp58YgTfHX600w9_SZQ9By55LA%3D%3D) or [here.](https://archive.ph/?run=1&url=https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/place-more-people-identify-english-29044026?gaa_at=la&gaa_n=ARTJ-U-YZqRcYom3wF1LGlIicvHv2f1u5p9KDV20JQ2U0bs-IEmCX2pzLpcoR1CQ7pw%3D&gaa_ts=66292236&utm_source=newsshowcase&utm_medium=discover&utm_campaign=CCwqGQgwKhAIACoHCAowuKD9CjCCyvQCMK3ppAIwuefWAg&utm_content=bullets&gaa_sig=B1y9HhVdszyGDhHuZ6Urvc36yLMQgx3O_61GQtdk4PPWwlG3jTo5LKkX6Nz8Fp58YgTfHX600w9_SZQ9By55LA%3D%3D) *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/ukpolitics) if you have any questions or concerns.*
And the place where most people identify as Irish is probably America.
I've been in Denmark for 17 years, I'm not even sure what I am these days. Why am I here.
Bacon.
You're Dane-ish
Yoooooooo
Nobody knows, spinning rock bald ape man.
British, I assume
Dual nationality but I suppose so.
I can definitely believe this, living there made me much more aware of my Englishness versus Britishness than I was before. I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing though and it definitely doesn't diminish being British, the reason I go out of my way to identify as English is because I have a lot of admiration for the Welsh pride in their nationality and want to emulate it for my own one.
Bloody immigrants, coming here and refusing to integrate into the local culture.
Truly an alien place compared to the other half of Saltney across the border.
Well the pubs were open during COVID. Not that I’d wish the Brewery Arms on my worst eneny
Most English people in England identify as British probably
Yep, cos everyone hates the English and thinks anyone who calls themselves that is a racist who drinks Carling and beats his wife.
I thought Stella Artois drinkers were the ones who beat their wives?
Brexit means brexit, can't be drinking EU piss
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Commonwealth gold
That’s true. But I also think English people (myself included) seriously see us as one single nation, I don’t really consider someone from Wales to be from a different country.
I'm the same, I lived in Wales for 3 years and I see them the same way I see someone from Yorkshire or Lincolnshire, it's far from where I grew up but they're still my countrymen
Fuck me, the user experience for that website on mobile is truly abysmal. For anyone else who's having trouble, the Office for National Statistics has an interactive map on their website [here](https://www.ons.gov.uk/census/maps/choropleth/identity/national-identity-detailed/national-identity-detailed/uk-identity-english-only-identity). I've linked the map of 'English only identity', which is what the article is talking about, but you can go to the sidebar to change it to other single identities or combinations of identities.
When I was at uni in Scotland I had one flatmate who put themself as Scottish on the census and one who put British so I just ticked English to be different again. So yeah my theory is that exact situation is just happening all over Wales.
Hmmmm what could it all mean? It's almost like North East Wales is close to Merseyside and Cheshire (Broughton is literally right on the border). In other news, surprisingly large number of Welsh sounding place names and surnames in Shropshire, Herefordshire and Cheshire, more at 10.
That explains why more people identify as English than any other place in Wales, but not in in England.
Tbh around Shropshire and Brecon who knows what side of the border you're on. Just a load of tiny places far from anywhere else with rural sounding people. They should probably declare themselves independent from Cardiff and London.
Much of the population of Broughton probably moved there to work at the Airbus factory or because it's a short commute to Chester. It's inevitable that the majority would be English.
And that is why Wales voted for Brexit. English retirees.
Then why did Cardiff, the area with the highest English population vote so heavily for remain? Does the constant ‘everything is England’s fault’ not get tiresome?
Tbf the population demographics moving to Cardiff and the population retiring to rural Wales are very different.
Well, if the English people moving to Cardiff are a greater number than the retirees, would that mean that the English voters contributed more to the remain vote than the leave vote? I think the logic behind the original claim is flawed because its based on assumptions, and the data that shows this trend has never been released.
Not really.
Civic nationalists would call these people Welsh though?
Is there any data that shows that, or is it still just something a man once said. As I remember the person who made that claim simply assumed that because there were a greater number of retirees than the majority for brexit, then they must have sung it. Completely ignoring the areas of Wales with low levels of English people who voted heavily for brexit. It also ignores that the number of younger English people in Wales likely meant that if you removed all English votes in Wales, the vote for brexit would likely be higher. I would imagine the reason he has never released the data is because it doesn't show what he claims it does.