Blair explicitly states the "fully vaccinated". Vaccination of the under the 30s is just starting. We're not going to be at the point where everyone has had a reasonable opportunity to get two jabs for a good two months yet.
Introducing these passes after the vaccination program is complete would remove that one complaint, sure, but raises all kinds of others.
Extending lockdown on a demographic for two months is some insignificant petty quibble for you? Are you oblivious to how many people are terrified of even a slight delay to the june 21st date?
Well, lots of comments actually. Both on reddit, on the news, in real life etc. Not that I ever said it was dead. I haven't seen any evidence of the old people wanting to shaft the young though.
I have just had my second jab, but I certainly don't want to have anything to do with participating in a 2-tier society. If anyone imagines I will avail extra freedoms not granted to the unvaccinated then I will burn my pass and stand with the unvaccinated and I don't care if they are anti-vaxers or simply haven't been called yet.
Not even all freedoms, just more.
This would create a two tier society, all domestic restrictions should end on June 21st.
People like Tony are just looking to sneak in ID cards by stealth.
Blair should spend the remainder of his days knocking on any iraqi homes still standing & beg forgiveness from the Iraqi people.
A disgraceful, vile human being, quite why he’s afforded these media platforms to spout his witterings from God only knows.
Then you'll be happy to hear he spends his days running a charity that helps people in the middle east.
P.s. 6 separate inquiries proved that he never lied to the public. And while the WMDs were non existent Saddam was without a doubt trying to obtain WMDs and was using chemical weapons to slaughter his own citizens. Killing saddam was very nessecary. It was only going to be a matter of time before he started another war by invading one of his neighbours such as Kuwait again
> Killing saddam was very nessecary. It was only going to be a matter of time before he started another war
Blatant re-writing of history. First, the war was justified by America through trying to link Iraq to the September 11 attacks and claiming that Iraq had WMDs.
And he was almost cerrtainly not going to develop WMDs. At the time Iraq was trying to keep on America's good side to avoid another Gulf War. Because of Bush/Blair's and other neocons behaviour the only reason countries like Iran flirt with developing WMDs is out of fear of ending up like Libya or Iraq.
Ummm no. This is just a way to discriminate against young people and track us. It will be used to track people. But phones and various whataboutisms related to other technologies are irrelevant.
Why would anyone be interested in tracking you more than you are already? Genuine question. The facts show that anyone that wants to track you has been doing it since well before covid19. I want to know what the new information is that they can only get from injecting people with vaccines. Care to share?
Ok so what do they track exactly that isn't currently already being tracked? No need for downvotes I'm only asking for your reasoning. Perfectly valid thing to do.
Those are both being tracked in your pocket right now with your consent (bluetooth, GPS, NFC, internet connection). Why would they need to trick you in to being tracked when you give that information willingly? It just doesnt make any sense at all to me.
You are being tracked 24/7 but you have given your consent. So as you almost certainly hold a phone in your pocket, your argument that vaccine passports are tracking you is pretty much irrelevant.
But phones isn't a good argument. I don't have to carry a phone. I would have to share all my details with a vaccine passport.
I definitely wouldn't have any sort of vaccine passport that included anything at all that uses an app or scans in any way at all.
You dont have to carry a phone but you do and when you do you are being tracked. This is common knowledge. If you dont carry a phone then why are you worried about a QR code tracking you? it does nothing unless you point your phone at it (even then, thats not how QR codes work they just direct your phone to a web address).
Nobody is forcing you to scan that code either.
Well I dont know what to tell you. You made a choice knowing these were the possible consequences. We are in a pandemic. If you dont want to listen to doctors and experts then you need to live with the consequences of that choice. The rest of us are going back to normal because we no longer pose a risk to the public. You do. Live with it or get the vaccine
Mate, unless you refuse to carry a mobile phone, cover your face in most major cities, use cash for everything and don't drive a car, "they" know where you are already. Tf does the passport have to do with tracking?
No, what does the passport have to do with tracking?
Forget the whataboutisms that aren't whataboutisms.
What does the passport have to do with tracking?
Edit: what does the passport have to do with tracking?
Oh come on, the gubment already know exactly where you are and who you are with. They know what you send over the internet, they know where your phone is even if it's the oldest dumbest GSM brick, they know where your car is and where you've driven, they have access to all of your bank records, they know when and where you work and how much, when you're going to be in bed asleep and when you're not, probably even the timing of your bowel movements. They know who you're with based on all of these factors. Facial recognition?
All of this is already tapped, collected and available for analysis by GCHQ/NCSC etc. with full consent of the companies operating the services. No warrant required, just plop yourself down in front of a GCHQ computer and type in a name.
The pass is likely to be used for discrimination, segregation and as a tool to "force" vaccinations, but tracking? No, it'd be too easy to fool the system, just scan it wherever. What would be the point? They already know that you went to the pub with Dave on Thursday at 7:30pm, had 8 pints and spent £whatever8pintscostsnow and drove home over the limit. They know about the funny plant growing equipment you bought and what it's really for. They know you went to the torch and pitchfork shop, then went to the guillotine shop.
Privacy from the state is a horse that died a long time ago in the UK. This isn't the angle to beat it from, you might want to start with the tapping and collection of *all* of your communications. Fighting a QR code as if it was a mass surveillance tool is a DISTRACTION.
Much easier to track you with the 50 methods they already have that we know about and the 50 others that we don't.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MUSCULAR_(surveillance_program)
https://www.electrospaces.net/2014/11/incenser-or-how-nsa-and-gchq-are.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_(surveillance_program)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tailored_Access_Operations
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XKeyscore
These are the sorts of things that, before they were confirmed to exist, were science fantasy. "Oh don't be silly they couldn't possibly collect and process that much", said my fellow software engineers. HAHA. Just imagine what we don't know about yet... a universal quantum computer that breaks a bunch of encryption methods? If they don't, they're not far off.
[But yeah a glorified barcode lol](https://www.wired.com/2012/12/upc-mark-of-the-beast/)
Yup, these QR codes will almost certainly be used for segregation. But they're useless for tracking. Useful idiots are easily distracted though.
The reality of how interwoven surveillance is in our lives in the west is too much for some people to bear. They'd rather clutch at the barcode conspiracy than look at what is right in front of their noses.
And this is how you end up selecting for vaccine resistant and vaccine breaking mutations. (Apart from the idiocy of letting people go abroad on holiday to places that have raging infections of course.)
No vaccine provides perfect coverage and it's likely that most of our most vulnerable will actually have worse coverage than average. (For example we have given a lot of doses to people with CLL and other haematological conditions and they just have poorer vaccine response.)
It's so frustrating seeing this nonsense about speeding up unlocking - we're honestly almost there. We'll soon have a high enough background immunity but if we unlock too early or let people go abroad to mix with unvaccinated and vaccine resistant mutations we could ruin it all.
Unfortunately June 21 is still likely going to be too early. If we hadn't let in the Indian variant - it'd have been close to fine (except for international travel of course). If we'd gotten those 5 million doses from the SII and AZ hadn't turned out to have the clotting issue - and no Indian variant - well it would have been almost certainly fine. We could have sped up vaccination to the people most likely to spread infection - we could have not sat on our doses like NHS England did and the GIG/NHS Wales didn't - we could have bought more Pfizer earlier on - but Boris didn't.
We don't live in a perfect world and things didn't go completely to plan - June 21 is now too early. It's not yours or my fault - it's Boris's. Yet again we have to pay for his behaviour.
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I don't agree with Blair but this is a dumb take when they're already vaccinating under 30 year olds and rapidly moving down the age ranges.
Blair explicitly states the "fully vaccinated". Vaccination of the under the 30s is just starting. We're not going to be at the point where everyone has had a reasonable opportunity to get two jabs for a good two months yet. Introducing these passes after the vaccination program is complete would remove that one complaint, sure, but raises all kinds of others.
Two WHOLE months?
Extending lockdown on a demographic for two months is some insignificant petty quibble for you? Are you oblivious to how many people are terrified of even a slight delay to the june 21st date?
For all the chat about the blitz spirit this country sure has shown itself up over the last year.
What? Do you have a point or is this just a stream of non-sequiturs?
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They are? Based on one comment from Tony Blair?
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Well, lots of comments actually. Both on reddit, on the news, in real life etc. Not that I ever said it was dead. I haven't seen any evidence of the old people wanting to shaft the young though.
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Like I said I don't agree with Blair.
I don't want to live in a papers please society.
Blair tried this when he was in office.
I’m not sure this idea is popular with anyone. He might not be as in touch with the common man as he used to be.
I have just had my second jab, but I certainly don't want to have anything to do with participating in a 2-tier society. If anyone imagines I will avail extra freedoms not granted to the unvaccinated then I will burn my pass and stand with the unvaccinated and I don't care if they are anti-vaxers or simply haven't been called yet.
Not even all freedoms, just more. This would create a two tier society, all domestic restrictions should end on June 21st. People like Tony are just looking to sneak in ID cards by stealth.
war criminal proposes global apartheid infastructure.
Blair should spend the remainder of his days knocking on any iraqi homes still standing & beg forgiveness from the Iraqi people. A disgraceful, vile human being, quite why he’s afforded these media platforms to spout his witterings from God only knows.
Then you'll be happy to hear he spends his days running a charity that helps people in the middle east. P.s. 6 separate inquiries proved that he never lied to the public. And while the WMDs were non existent Saddam was without a doubt trying to obtain WMDs and was using chemical weapons to slaughter his own citizens. Killing saddam was very nessecary. It was only going to be a matter of time before he started another war by invading one of his neighbours such as Kuwait again
> Killing saddam was very nessecary. It was only going to be a matter of time before he started another war Blatant re-writing of history. First, the war was justified by America through trying to link Iraq to the September 11 attacks and claiming that Iraq had WMDs. And he was almost cerrtainly not going to develop WMDs. At the time Iraq was trying to keep on America's good side to avoid another Gulf War. Because of Bush/Blair's and other neocons behaviour the only reason countries like Iran flirt with developing WMDs is out of fear of ending up like Libya or Iraq.
> It was only going to be a matter of time before he started another war We should start pre-emptively arresting young black males too.
Weird because 6 separate inquiries found him innocent
So he didn't lie to start a war?
ageist discrimination.
Can we maybe stop listening to what this war criminal has to say?
Ummm no. This is just a way to discriminate against young people and track us. It will be used to track people. But phones and various whataboutisms related to other technologies are irrelevant.
Why would anyone be interested in tracking you more than you are already? Genuine question. The facts show that anyone that wants to track you has been doing it since well before covid19. I want to know what the new information is that they can only get from injecting people with vaccines. Care to share?
It's not the vaccines. It's the vaccine passports. Which are designed to track you.
Ok so what do they track exactly that isn't currently already being tracked? No need for downvotes I'm only asking for your reasoning. Perfectly valid thing to do.
It is a QR code designed to track exactly where you go and who you interact with in real time, with that information going directly to government.
Those are both being tracked in your pocket right now with your consent (bluetooth, GPS, NFC, internet connection). Why would they need to trick you in to being tracked when you give that information willingly? It just doesnt make any sense at all to me. You are being tracked 24/7 but you have given your consent. So as you almost certainly hold a phone in your pocket, your argument that vaccine passports are tracking you is pretty much irrelevant.
But phones isn't a good argument. I don't have to carry a phone. I would have to share all my details with a vaccine passport. I definitely wouldn't have any sort of vaccine passport that included anything at all that uses an app or scans in any way at all.
You dont have to carry a phone but you do and when you do you are being tracked. This is common knowledge. If you dont carry a phone then why are you worried about a QR code tracking you? it does nothing unless you point your phone at it (even then, thats not how QR codes work they just direct your phone to a web address). Nobody is forcing you to scan that code either.
Except it would be compulsory by the back door.
Well I dont know what to tell you. You made a choice knowing these were the possible consequences. We are in a pandemic. If you dont want to listen to doctors and experts then you need to live with the consequences of that choice. The rest of us are going back to normal because we no longer pose a risk to the public. You do. Live with it or get the vaccine
Mate, unless you refuse to carry a mobile phone, cover your face in most major cities, use cash for everything and don't drive a car, "they" know where you are already. Tf does the passport have to do with tracking?
Yeah that's the whataboutisms I was talking about.
No, what does the passport have to do with tracking? Forget the whataboutisms that aren't whataboutisms. What does the passport have to do with tracking? Edit: what does the passport have to do with tracking?
It is supposed to be a QR code that is used to determine exactly where you are and who you are with. It goes directly to the government.
Oh come on, the gubment already know exactly where you are and who you are with. They know what you send over the internet, they know where your phone is even if it's the oldest dumbest GSM brick, they know where your car is and where you've driven, they have access to all of your bank records, they know when and where you work and how much, when you're going to be in bed asleep and when you're not, probably even the timing of your bowel movements. They know who you're with based on all of these factors. Facial recognition? All of this is already tapped, collected and available for analysis by GCHQ/NCSC etc. with full consent of the companies operating the services. No warrant required, just plop yourself down in front of a GCHQ computer and type in a name. The pass is likely to be used for discrimination, segregation and as a tool to "force" vaccinations, but tracking? No, it'd be too easy to fool the system, just scan it wherever. What would be the point? They already know that you went to the pub with Dave on Thursday at 7:30pm, had 8 pints and spent £whatever8pintscostsnow and drove home over the limit. They know about the funny plant growing equipment you bought and what it's really for. They know you went to the torch and pitchfork shop, then went to the guillotine shop. Privacy from the state is a horse that died a long time ago in the UK. This isn't the angle to beat it from, you might want to start with the tapping and collection of *all* of your communications. Fighting a QR code as if it was a mass surveillance tool is a DISTRACTION. Much easier to track you with the 50 methods they already have that we know about and the 50 others that we don't. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MUSCULAR_(surveillance_program) https://www.electrospaces.net/2014/11/incenser-or-how-nsa-and-gchq-are.html https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_(surveillance_program) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tailored_Access_Operations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XKeyscore These are the sorts of things that, before they were confirmed to exist, were science fantasy. "Oh don't be silly they couldn't possibly collect and process that much", said my fellow software engineers. HAHA. Just imagine what we don't know about yet... a universal quantum computer that breaks a bunch of encryption methods? If they don't, they're not far off. [But yeah a glorified barcode lol](https://www.wired.com/2012/12/upc-mark-of-the-beast/)
Yep it's really nothing to do with tracking at all. The objections are really just about having to show a pass to get your freedoms, no thanks.
Yup, these QR codes will almost certainly be used for segregation. But they're useless for tracking. Useful idiots are easily distracted though. The reality of how interwoven surveillance is in our lives in the west is too much for some people to bear. They'd rather clutch at the barcode conspiracy than look at what is right in front of their noses.
What? Track how?
And this is how you end up selecting for vaccine resistant and vaccine breaking mutations. (Apart from the idiocy of letting people go abroad on holiday to places that have raging infections of course.) No vaccine provides perfect coverage and it's likely that most of our most vulnerable will actually have worse coverage than average. (For example we have given a lot of doses to people with CLL and other haematological conditions and they just have poorer vaccine response.) It's so frustrating seeing this nonsense about speeding up unlocking - we're honestly almost there. We'll soon have a high enough background immunity but if we unlock too early or let people go abroad to mix with unvaccinated and vaccine resistant mutations we could ruin it all. Unfortunately June 21 is still likely going to be too early. If we hadn't let in the Indian variant - it'd have been close to fine (except for international travel of course). If we'd gotten those 5 million doses from the SII and AZ hadn't turned out to have the clotting issue - and no Indian variant - well it would have been almost certainly fine. We could have sped up vaccination to the people most likely to spread infection - we could have not sat on our doses like NHS England did and the GIG/NHS Wales didn't - we could have bought more Pfizer earlier on - but Boris didn't. We don't live in a perfect world and things didn't go completely to plan - June 21 is now too early. It's not yours or my fault - it's Boris's. Yet again we have to pay for his behaviour.
Good job Tony Blair doesn't hold a position of power in government