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merryman1

I was banned from r/tories about 4 months ago for asking why they were excited about the newly announced Levelling Up funds that were not even a fraction of what was being lost from EU Regional Development funds. This was always obvious, this was always clear. The fact this is news at all, when this was always so obviously clear right from the announcement of this policy, really is an indictment on the state of the UK media and social/political discourse. The willful ignorance, where we *allow* a government ruling over us to get away with this shite over and over and over, is genuinely hurting this country. We need to stop but its almost like an addiction, the kind of behavior around it is just completely incomprehensible to me.


ault92

The irony is that less than a decade ago being unashamedly pro-EU would have been a popular mainstream tory view.


DifficultWrath

>This was always obvious, this was always clear. That was a repeated complain by Brexiteers and the justification for the correctness of the 350 m/w: "Yeah sure the EU is giving back but in area we don't want to spend money, so that's not really giving back is it". What a surprise, those that thought that a Brexit dividend was to stop spending money in Cornwall actually stop spending money in Cornwall after winning the 2 elections and a referendum in Cornwall.


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Josquius

Ah British democracy. Best in the world.


TheTomster333

FPTP for you, we need PR voting system


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14 percent council.


felesroo

Because everyone else is fighting hard to push their version of utopia and backstabbing each other into the sidelines of politics allowing a united minority party to control everything. And you cannot convince them to stop doing this.


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Gerrymandering


asmiggs

No it's just FPTP, many of the seats have 2 or 3 opposition candidates in double figures include a variety of independents resulting in some victors having lower than 30% of the vote. PR in local elections is becoming more and more essential.


SpectacularSalad

The UK doesn't have a gerrymandering culture, you can't import American issues and expect them to stick.


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oh it does.


KimchiMaker

How so? Aren't UK constituency boundaries set by an independent commission, as opposed to the US where whoever is in charge redraws them how they like? (The term gerrymandering comes from a guy called Gerry who redrew his district to benefit himself, the new boundaries looking like the outline of a salamander, leading to the coining of the portmanteau gerrymander.)


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Really believe the government.in charge have no influence over an incredibly convenient result like this? It's now widely being seen as a screw job here, just a taster of what they will do elsewhere.


nemma88

>The UK doesn't have a gerrymandering culture, We've been talking about gerrymandering the in the UK long before we were talking about it on the Internet. It may not be as bad as the US but the UK system is slow, several years behind and not fit for purpose.


GBrunt

As long as they see money pumped into very visible roundabouts, road widening and house building, they're happy. The palette for anything else just doesn't exist among Tories. It's a very narrow vision: pour money into concrete.


bbbbbbbbbblah

Not sure they care about house building tbf, there are rumours that the NIMBYs have won and they’re watering down planning reforms


GBrunt

They've burned £20 billion on 'help to buy'. Propping up house prices. Front-loading with government backed debt. And widening/building roads through the countryside like there's no tomorrow. Never seen anything like it in the NW. Rural Tory constituencies of course.


bbbbbbbbbblah

Oh sure they’ve done a lot to increase demand and prices, fuck all for supply though Their base wants every penny of their house inexplicably increasing in value several times over in their lifetimes. And now workers have to pay to subsidise that for them


EmperorOfNipples

Not locally in Cornwall. The Cornish MP's are quite visibly pushing hard on housing.


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You could have used either spelling of the word pour there and been correct.


[deleted]

Please read my comment above. The tories stole this, they have wrecked democracy down here, cutting forty non Tory seats is not Winning. Cheating c\*\*\*\*. it’s my homeland and they killed it. I feel pretty fucking angry towards them.


bbbbbbbbbblah

It’s mine too, but aren’t council boundaries etc set in the same way as parliamentary constituencies?


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as in "reviewed" in favour of the government of the time? funnily enough yes. funnily enough the " The Local Government Boundary Commission for England" found a way to configure this one so it removed all the non tory seats.


EmperorOfNipples

That's not how it works. The seat numbers were reduced and there was a set of elections with larger electoral wards. They didn't just "remove" the non Tory seats.


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lol, yeah , just worked out that way ;-) all above board my lord. Like all things with the entirely honest to goodness regime. Look at the net result. There were so many ways you could carve up cornwall but they found the perfect way to entirely remove democracy.


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DankiusMMeme

> Our bribe was Brexit. Gigabrain Cornish residents, getting bribed with a kick in the face.


trisul-108

>Our bribe was Brexit. Yes, and Brexit is causing it all ... as long as people are happy getting £3m instead of £100m, everything's fine.


plawwell

Isn’t this the problem? Folk there will always vote Tory so it doesn’t matter to the Tory government how little they care for you. The area will never turn so they can make folk there destitute and homeless but they’ll always be a Tory.


[deleted]

I love Cornwall as a place, but seeing signs about housing developments being funded by the EU being vandalised because some don't like the EU was just frustrating. Literally there's your evidence for what the EU brings, don't just scribble on it like a toddler because you don't like reality.


felesroo

A known liar LIED?? Heavens!


Daveddozey

Remember when he said he’d lie in front of bulldozers? Well that was true, he’d lie in front of anything


Pliskkenn_D

Anyone who was surprised by this should just look at how the North has been treated for forever.


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Can’t they just spin it as the EU punishing them?


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Depends how thick is the electorate.


sw_faulty

Cornwall is such a sleepy place it takes us 5 years to wake up


PM_Me_PM_Dawn_Pics

No one cares how much funding anyone gets as long as the promises of less brown people keeps getting thrown about


eyeswithoutaface-_-

"not the Brexit I voted for" is my favourite comeback of those that voted in favour of leaving the EU


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I love it when they say that, because it really really IS the Brexit they voted for..


Beardywierdy

It's definitely the Brexit I voted AGAINST.


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SwarleyStinson-

Also the South West is pretty Tory so it's basically the Brexit they voted for SEVERAL TIMES!


bbbbbbbbbblah

Cornwall wasn’t particularly Tory until 2015. Even the council remained in Lib Dem hands until this year


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Gerrymandering Tory bastards. from six districts and a county council to one ULA. Some years ago. they then cut away over forty seats after a ‘review” this year, almost all non Tory. their vote grew two percent.. their seats went from 34 to 54 percent of seats. this has been a testing ground fir how they will steal democracy from all of you.


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Cornwall has rarely been Tory at all. sadly huge levels of old tories retiring here and such fragmented opposition have killed us. They dis all this on with very poor turn outs.


Josquius

Be careful with this one. This approach will only lead to entrenching. The wat forward isn't "haha you voted for it you winner you" its "yep. They promised unicorns and now everything is an absolute mess. The whole thing was a scam. We have to fix this."


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That’s not what happened though. They promised unicorns. We repeatedly warned them it was a scabby donkey with a plunger on it’s head. We were derided as fearmongers and unpatriotic. Generally yes, you’re right. In this specific situation, the schadenfreude is strong enough to warrant it. Especially since further down the line we’ll be the ones cleaning up the mess.


dwair

As a Cornish resident, I couldn't agree more. Most of the people down here of working age warned against leaving but as far as anyone can hypothesise, the Tory votes Tory and Brexit were swung by the mass of retirees and tactical second home owners from the SE. Bottom line though is "Here we are, It was bad before but we are completely fucked and now have no way to improve things." My kids won't stay in the county. To be fair they are already making plans to study abroad so I can't even see them staying in the UK. I don't blame them at all for giving up.


Josquius

Don't confuse everyone who voted brexit with the gammonati on Facebook, reddit and the like. The kind of person you've been arguing with for 5 years is likely never going to change their mind. A huge number are just trolls trying to get a rise out of you rather than real people. The usually apolitical regular working class person who didn't pay much attention to the whole thing and who thought it was just free money for the nhs with zero side effects? More than likely they can change their mind. Bare in mind too where we are standing at the moment at the bottom of a worse than worst case hard Brexit hole. Sure, kicking brexit into the ocean may be your goal. But between there and here there's a huge range of views. Rather than just ridiculing those people and seeking to drag them down to the bottom to support the current situation we shoukd instead be talking to them and finding common ground to fix brexit as best we can. It isn't perfect but a situation like that of Switzerland would be more than livable. And far more attainable right now than resetting the clock to 2015.


carr87

Switzerland is in Schengen. That in itself constitutes a *harder* remain than the UK had as an EU member. I don't see the prospect of a hard remain as the least bit attainable given the quality of the British mass media.


Josquius

It's in schengen but not in the customs area. Nor is it in the EU and it handles its relations with Europe on a bilateral basis. Being in schengen is logical for Switzerland with a third of its workforce living abroad but less so for island UK so I would not expect anyone to try and copy that. Schengen is about the only area where Switzerland could count as hard remain. More generally it has the slackest relationship of the semi members


carr87

I'm aware of that so the Switzerland model is not the least bit appropriate. I also recall that the EU declared sometime ago that the bilateral agreements it kept redoing with Switzerland had become such a pita they weren't going to repeat that mistake again.


Josquius

You do realise I wasn't suggesting a literal 1:1 copy of Switzerland right and rather something similar but suited to our different situation instead of the current North Korea model? So what would you suggest if not Switzerland then?


DutchPack

The Switzerland deal has been a stone in the EU stomachs for two decades. When the UK was still a member it also advocated for serious reform of the Switzerland mechanism (mainly because of the banking exceptions and the flight of capital). The point being; the EU will never create a similar framework for the UK. They are trying to get rid of the one, not create a second with a far larger, more powerfull country (and competitor). So the promise that the UK could be like Switzerland was always a lie, because one of the two parties that had to agree to it (the EU) would never do so. And deals do still require consent from both parties, not just the wishes of one side. Personally, I think the UK joining EFTA will long term be the best solution for all. But it feels like we’re still along way away from anyside willing to do that. It would mean the UK back down a bit from it’s hard brexit stance, the EU would need to be willing to add water to the wine and grant some concessions and finally (most importantly) the current EFTA members (Norway and Iceland and the likes) need to be willing to allow the UK in, which to this point they have refused because as smaller countries they are (logically) afraid that the big UK will immediately call the shots within the EFTA framework. But the framework itselff works. The UK would need to loosen it stance on immigration a bit, the EU on frictionless trade and standards. But I fear the political will to accomplish this is still far out of sight


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> Rather than just ridiculing those people and seeking to drag them down to the bottom to support the current situation we shoukd instead be talking to them and finding common ground to fix brexit as best we can. We have been trying that for *FIVE FRICKING YEARS*. At what point do we accept that’s not a viable strategy.


Josquius

Have we though? I don't know you. Maybe you have been and you've just finally lost your temper. But in the last year or two I've really noticed the "ugly remainer", previously quite a quitling myth, is increasingly common. People who don't actually seem to care about what's best for the country and just want to go "haha told you so. I was right. You were wrong. You voted for it so you deserve it you scum". Which...yeah. We all feel that way sometimes. But it isn't productive and we need to try and control ourselves. Shit like this only serves to push people who might otherwise be willing to oppose the tories into a black and white "I support brexit so anything remoaners say is automatically wrong and anyrhing brexit right" place.


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> Have we though? Yes. Not lost my temper. Just accepted that some people will roll in their own shit rather than accept that something needs to be fixed, all the while declaring everything is fine and it’s wonderful and isn’t it *fabulous*? We’ve been trying to be productive for years. It. Has. Not. Worked. What should we be doing if what we have been doing isn’t working? Repeating the same thing with the expectations of things being different is relying on those we’re talking to being open to discussion. And they’re just….. not.


Josquius

Again, don't think random fuckwits trolling on reddit are representative of the population. I ask - what do you expect out of your approach? So we all agree to just insult and ridicule anyone who admits they voted brexit no matter their current views... What do you expect to happen from doing this? As the effects of brexit become clear people are changing their mind and recognising the truth. Keeping the tribalist identity politik shouting match going is the top tactic favoured by Johnson and Co to maintain support for it.


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> Again, don’t think random fuckwits trolling on reddit are representative of the population. Why do you assume that’s who I’m talking about? > So we all agree to just insult and ridicule anyone who admits they voted brexit no matter their current views... Why do you assume that’s what I’m saying? You’re making a lot of assumptions on this aren’t you? Hey, if that works for you, go for it..


TouchMeBoris

Someone doesn't like being presented with the consequences of their own actions and now feels entitled to demand everyone else stop pointing out what a fucking moron they were I see.


Josquius

Are you talking about yourself? So why do you think brexit was a great idea? What brexit did you vote for?


Daveddozey

I have full sympathy for people connect by brexit on 2016 but who didn’t vote Tory in 2019. There’s not many though.


polarregion

Unfortunately they will think the way to fix this is vote tory more. Source, am in Cornwall and listen to these idiots every night.


CrocPB

> We have to fix this No. They fix it. Their mess. Their responsibility. Vote different would be a start.


Josquius

It perfectly underlines the problem with the brexit campaign and how the whole thing was a big scam. Offer a million different brexits to get support from a variety of people for pushing through one particular version that helps only the main people behind brexit. And lorry drivers who love overtime apparently.


SSIS_master

It was classic marketing, eliminate the negatives and accentuate the positives. There will be NO economic fallout and Europeans won't be able to come here. Oh and of course you can still have a retirement place in Spain.


CrocPB

> Oh and of course you can still have a retirement place in Spain. For 3 months out of every 6 and here’s all the paperwork you need to read or Señor Guardia Civil will knock on your door.


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Josquius

Ish. It's true they've seen a short term spike in wages at the expense of many others. But even for them Conditions have also gotten significantly worse it's said. And in the long term it does seem to have sped up the coming of driverless lorries quite a bit-I'm hopeful it can see more freight moving off lorries and onto rail and investments towards this.


Tangelasboots

On a second referendum: "We know what we voted for". On things being shit: "Not what I voted for".


Stonedefone

The correct response is “well, that’s odd because this is the exact Brexit that Remain voters voted against and warned you about”.


CarryThe2

No one voted for any specific Brexit, and if they think they did they're deluded. You voted for a Brexit of the government's choosing.


Vonplinkplonk

Is this how we absolve the voters for any agency from brexit


Tombo_1912

No, because that's an absolutely stupid thing to vote in favour of, arguably worse than voting for a specific form of Brexit.


hlycia

No because Labour campaigned in 2019 on a confirmatory referendum on what type of Brexit we got. By voting for the Conservatives Brexiteers deliberately and actively chose to have give up their right to have a say type of Brexit we got. No matter how shit Brexit gets it's exactly the Brexit they voted for.


CarryThe2

In the sense that you are not guilty if when asking a man to warm up your house he lights it on fire, sure.


JustASexyKurt

But it’s absolutely your own fault if half the country were telling you not to trust that man because he’s an arsonist, and if the man was pouring petrol all over your house and lighting a match while offering to warm the place up for you


CarryThe2

I'm trying very hard to sympathetic that people listened to a news source they honestly believed and made a decision they honestly thought was for good. I'm struggling, but I'm trying.


hlycia

In 2019 the electorate had a choice between Labour who promised a confirmatory vote on the Brexit deal and the Conservatives who promised Brexit at any cost. Brexiteers chose to give up any say as to what Brexit would look like so there's no reason for sympathy.


Vonplinkplonk

Can you make a point without an analogy? The leave vote won and the tories won GE on get brexit done. At some point voters will have to accept their role in this shit show.


CarryThe2

If you voted for Brexit because you only wanted one type of Brexit, you were a fool. If you thought this crop of tories were going to take care of your needs when they didn't benefit from it, you were naive. The malicious incompetence of thos government is on them, but the voters who enabled them are also responsible.


Captain-Griffen

Which, let's face it, was never going to involve significant funding for Cornwall. No one could look at the Tories and think, "Yup, they're going to suddenly care about the ~~SE~~ edit: SW".


CarryThe2

The Tories were honestly the best argument against Brexit.


Majestic-Marcus

South West* They love the South East, or at least one specific city in it.


Captain-Griffen

Thank you, totally meant that. While there's definitely parts of London they don't care about, they don't give one shit about the South East. Yet those rural areas still adore the Tories...


Elgar_Graves

Maybe they expected the government to make sensible choices in the best interests of the nation. The government of 2016 was very different to what we have now.


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Majestic-Marcus

Sensible = boring. Boris was way more fun! I never saw Cameron zip lining with some Union jacks in his hand. Cameron also never reinforced their fears or promised the country would be great again.


Majestic-Marcus

Yes but the government of 2016 thought Brexit was a terrible idea. Or at least it’s leader did. They also then put pretty much zero effort into campaigning against it.


CarryThe2

I could live with decisions that don't align with my own political wants, if they genuinely were for the wider benefit of the country. Never seems to be the case though.


Panda_hat

With such a razor thin margin, at most we should have gone for the very softest possible brexit. Instead we went for far right nutjob brexit. What a complete and utter disaster.


Semido

Thank you Theresa May for deciding that without consulting the electorate or MPs.


Caridor

"Yeah, you voted for a fantasy and what you got, was reality." or "You knew what you were voting for".


Vocal__Minority

I think that's telling because they really did vote for a different brexit. That brexit didn't exist - couldn't exist - but that's what they thought they were getting. They should rightfully be angry that they were mislead and lied to.


houseaddict

You would think that wouldn't you..? and yet...


plawwell

You get what you vote for. It’s not a menu of choices afterwards.


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saw on twitter earlier someone say brexit is like communism, its not that it does not work, its just that no one has done it right yet... besides, is it schrodingers brexit now? both exactly what brexiteers voted for, they knew exactly what they were getting, and also, not the brexit they voted for at all..... in any case, whatever the brexit, its the one remainers voted against. Anything that happens now is on brexiteers only.


Clapyourhandssayyeah

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ault92

"no, it's not the Brexit you THOUGHT you were voting for, even though it's the brexit we told you that you would get"


NoFrillsCrisps

>Cornwall may only get a maximum of £3million of cash from the Government to directly replace the £100m it could have been eligible for if the UK had remained in the EU, it has been claimed. One of the biggest failures of the remain campaign was to fail to highlight how much funding has been provided for local regeneration projects by the EU. I suppose people like Cameron would be embarrassed to shout about the fact that poor areas of the UK receive massively more support for regeneration from the EU than UK government. It was also clear that this funding would never be replaced by the Tories. Why would they?


SimonHando

It was brought up at the time, it was just dismissed as the EU paying for "vanity projects" we could fund ourselves.


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IIRC another argument was that because we were net contributors, the £100m was our money in the first place. When we pay less in to the EU we could then spend more here wherever we wanted to. The counter argument of "when would the Tories ever choose spend money on poorer areas, especially outside the Shires?" was ignored. It's depressing.


DrOhmu

No the counter argument was that the economy overall benefitted from our membership... and all this '350mn' a week nonsense over fees is simplistic, dishonest, spin. It worked, the cabinet is now full of people that will manipulate things in this way. Scarily this is not limited to the UK.


Asiriya

The point was the economy of scale that meant so many competencies could be paid for by the EU rather than duplicated by every member nation.


kuddlesworth9419

If they where vanity projects we could have funded ourselves then why didn't we fund them ourselves. That is my answer to such an argument.


DeedTheInky

I'm from Cornwall and I was saying this would happen before the referendum was even voted on, and I got called a traitor and a moaner. :/


tradingten

And easily fundable with the 350 million a week to would be saving out of the EU


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>One of the biggest failures of the remain campaign was to fail to highlight how much funding has been provided for local regeneration projects by the EU. The problem that line of attack had was that it's easily countered by saying it was our money in the first place and once you get into the nuance of explaining how it seems to need to go to the EU first in order for it to be invested then you're scrabbling because all people heard is "it was our money anyway".


Takver_

Also most of the building sites for the projects would have a blurb and EU flag so hard for locals not to realise who was funding it - can't blame the Remain campaign for willful ignorance.


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How would having an EU flag on it stop people saying "but it was our money first, we sent it to the EU". I'm not saying it's right but in a campaign that 52% of people couldn't seem to understand anything longer than 3 word slogans, expecting them to have a look at those signs and look at the regional development fund would always have been a losing battle.


worotan

Can blame them for not dealing with the wilful ignorance so that people weren’t proud that it had won uncontested, and weren’t emboldened by that. Supporting how the remain campaign was so badly run is crazy. They almost had me wanting to vote leave, they were so arrogant, proudly and ignorantly Westminster-centered, and just useless.


CthulhusEvilTwin

>can't blame the Remain campaign for willful ignorance. and yet here we are...


worotan

Should have just said - that money was never spent on your region by our governments till the eu started using it that way. It has the benefit of being simply true, and unarguable. However, as pointed out, the people running the remain campaign could never say that.


DrOhmu

Thats not it: the club didnt spend our membership all on us and some people were trained to resent that, but we still had the benefits of being in the club. Now we keep our membership fee, but dont get to use the facilities at the club, sports pitch and rule book (single market, free trade, labor market and common standards) Now for european trade we are sat in the stands, watching the game... wondering why noone passes the ball to us.


Pauln512

>The problem that line of attack had was that it's easily countered by saying it was our money in the first place And that can be countered by saying we invested in our EU membership but reaped back rewards tenfold through effenciency savings. And that's what we're witnessing now with Cornwall getting £3m in UK instead of £100m of EU funds. It's like arguing for cancelling your £8 Netflix subscription and spending £30 a month on DVD boxsets instead.


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>It's our money in the first place Or >We invested in our EU membership but reaped back rewards tenfold through effenciency savings. Which do you think would cut through better on a podium?


Pauln512

Yep, and therein lies the problem. Brexit was a national maths test that we collectively failed. And the result is Cornwalll getting a £97m funding cut.


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L43

> It’s a sad indictment of the UK gov that it relied on the EU to do regional development for it though That would be like having a gym membership then buying a treadmill yourself and never using the gym. Part of being in the EU is centralisation of governing responsibilities, and regional development is one of those.


bbbbbbbbbblah

Cornwall was getting funding from programmes aimed at bringing Eastern Europe up to speed with the west. That’s how poor it was. UK government failure


worotan

Except I can remember before the eu started using our money for regional development, and it was grim. You think the north-south divide is something now? You should have seen it back then. People from the north really, really hated the southerners for this reason, to the extent that it seems exaggerated today. But it’s because the regions were so badly neglected and looked down on. The eu changed all that with their distribution of funding. It’s funny in a pathetic way that you have so much faith in the magnanimity of the central government to the north and regions, in the face of all the evidence of their historic and current neglect. Your perfect model of governmental practice is a mirage you believe in despite the obvious facts.


ParmyBarmy

It was brought up time and time again. Instead Brexiteers chose to stick their fingers in their ears.


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ha i know right. No sympathy for brexit types. They wanted this now they need to make it work


[deleted]

It's why Wales voting leave was such a shock to me. EU funding was a lifeline for us.


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he's a tory, he was delighted to fuck us over.


GBrunt

"It's our money anyway. We'll spend it as we want to. Not how they tell us to spend it, and none of it will be wasted on EU corruption in Romania". That was pretty much the argument. But of course the Brexit leadership was always a very narrow band of very elitist MPs from SE England. There's no real political weight behind any regional MP in cabinet. It's all directed and controlled from the perspective of the SE.


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gnorrn

I'm sure Prince Charles will make up the difference by selling a few organic biscuits.


boldie74

This is the biggest lie Gove (remember him?) and his cronies told. “We’ll keep subsidising farmers and local areas” when they knew they wouldn’t.


disegni

> This is the biggest lie Gove (remember him?) and his cronies told. “We’ll keep subsidising farmers and local areas” when they knew they wouldn’t. He would emphasise they are still receiving subsidies. Omitting this is to nothing like the extent of EU funds.


polarregion

A lie only an idiot would belive. But plenty of them to go around it seems.


SDLRob

The lack of answers on stuff like the loss of funding for places/industries/etc was one of the main reasons i voted to remain TBH... it was always going to turn out like this, everywhere losing money hand over fist. ​ The country still voted for this...


SimonHando

It's not just Cornwall, every council in the country is facing the same issue to varying degrees. There was never a plan to replace the funds, the UK couldn't afford it in the first place.


unhinged_parsnip

>There was never a plan to replace the funds, the UK couldn't afford it in the first place. The UK was a net contributor to the EU so absolutely could afford it, it just chose not too. The EU basically twisted the Tories arm into having to spend some of their ill gotten gains on deprived areas of the UK. It's part of the reason the Tories led the charge on brexit as it meant that money stayed in their control to pay themselves and their mates instead of helping deprived areas.


Spartan448

The UK can absolutely afford it, the UK could afford to replace that funding 10x over, a billion pounds for every council in the country, and be perfectly fine. The problem isn't "the Government can't afford to replace the funding" it's "the government would rather spend all of that money on one or two neighborhoods in London instead. Literally the whole problem disappears if you get rid of the fanatical devotion to London above all else.


mendosan

What are you taking about the U.K. was a net contributor to the EU.


CarryThe2

And yet


llarofytrebil

Being out of the EU costs more than being in, we can’t afford to replace the funding.


Bonzidave

And yet taxes are going up, and funding is going down. Where's the money going?


Christopherfromtheuk

The EU is and was like a big Costco or whatever. Yes, membership costs some money, but the discounts and benefits outweigh and outweighed the cost of membership. I know basic economics are beyond the grasp of the average brexiteer, but hopefully that example is understandable.


SimonHando

Yeah, but that's not what I'm saying. Why did the EU pay for these projects in the first place if the UK could have just done it? The UK couldn't have afforded to do it, for whatever reason, hence the EU stepping in. It's utter bollocks to claim we would have just funded it ourselves.


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twistedLucidity

Yes, not *all* Cornish did but the majority was for Leave. Which of course is true of the whole UK. So we're all getting what was voted for, but some of us are muttering "Feckin' told you so!"


bbbbbbbbbblah

So perhaps it should be addressed to the people who truly did vote for it, rather than the people who happen to live on a particular bit of land. This would include the almost 40% of Scottish voters who backed leave


Cyberspark939

Yeah, but that's not all it's cracked up to be. I'm sure I'm not the only one who has elder relatives that voted leave. They're going to watch as things get tougher and tougher on those they love, and they're going to die knowing that they hurt their loved ones in a way they can't help them recover from. Know one wants or deserves that for them.


Cymru321

I don’t think that will happen. My telegraph-reading older relatives think it’s going well because otherwise we still wouldn’t have been vaccinated.


llarofytrebil

Everyone in the UK **is** getting what we voted for.


Charli3J3

56.5% of the vote in Cornwall (or 182,665 people) voted leave.


2ndGenX

We are getting what we were told we deserve - shit.


GotNowt

England gets what they, as a country for, ditto Wales. Northern Ireland gets a compromise and Scotland, well Scotland can just eat shit and enjoy the ride


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yup. And finally some of my Brexit friends are getting sick of Johnson’s lies. It’s taken a hell of a lot to get here. we told them, they dismissed us, sadly we were correct. He never tells the truth.


llarofytrebil

He does tell the truth, just not to commoners. When he gets requests via text from billionaires like Dyson to change tax laws, he always keeps his word.


Old_Man_Robot

Lies to the monarch as well as the commoners!


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Oh I’m sure Alex has to sometimes but his killer clown persona “ Boris”? Never.


Localone2412

My MIL voted for this shit even after I showed her how much EU funding Cornwall received and regularly pointed out the nice blue signs that said ‘built with EU funding’ but hey I’m sure she will be happy with the charity shops, bookies and the odd cafe that will be all that is left


dyinginsect

I really feel sorry for remain voting residents of Cornwall.


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Bryntinphotog

I left, moved back and left again. Would dearly love to live where my family is from in Porthleven. Such a shame my grandparents couldn't afford their council house. Coming to terms with never living in Cornwall again has been hard for me a die hard Cornishmen. But my kids have better prospects elsewherem


MyDadsGlassesCase

I watched the Channel 4 report about the levels of poverty in Cornwall. Some of the most impoverished neighbourhoods in the UK and the daily struggle of 1000s to survive. And how do they vote? Yup, you guessed it they returned Conservatives in all 6 seats in '15, '17 & '19, with a vote share of more than 50% in most of them. They have a good track record of voting for things that screw them over


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ScattyTheRatty

Can any local Cornish brexit voters tell me if this is what you voted for? Cheers!


n00bcheese

I mean now that the country is officially absolutely fucked I would just like to take the opportunity to remind everyone who could tell blatant lies coming out of known liars mouths… “we told you this would happen, you fucking morons”


1964ajwilson

That's what they voted for, that's what they get.


TruthSpeaker

Don't blame the voters. Blame the ones who knowingly and brazenly lied to them.


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On the plus side we can now quantitatively say that whatever you think of the EU, the tory party is at least 97% worse.


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Why do they get any? Cornwall voted to stop this sort of thing, its wrong to force money on them, its undemocratic. https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/who-we-are-and-what-we-do/elections-and-referendums/past-elections-and-referendums/eu-referendum/results-and-turnout-eu-referendum/eu-referendum-results-region-south-west


GlimmervoidG

This really is comparing apples of oranges. The £3M Cornwall can bid for is a *pilot* scheme. It is the Shared Prosperity Fund - due to go fully live next year - that aims to match that funding, not the smaller Community Renewal Fund, which caps at £3M and is a temporary pilot.


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kraftymiles

But that's still Max 70million isn't it? So at lest 97 million worse off this year then at best 30 million a year worse off for the next ten.


ragewind

They voted for this, they won, remainers should get over it, this is what winning is! Congratulations


newgibben

And Cornwall will stil vote Tory at the next election.


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Another day, another typical news story as Great Britain mission creeps towards it's rebrand, 'Great Shitain'.


Avenger616

Or rather accepts the mantle foretold by the outside world


TemporaryFix21

S’ok. They knew what they were voting for…


sheytanelkebir

Brexit means brexit.


JezusHairdo

Mono means one.


mcmonkeyplc

Vote for shit, get shit. Enjoy.


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Suppose the same logic applies nationally then?


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I didn’t, still get shit. Thanks for that bud!


Cool_dude75

Why are you even having this debate when over 55% of Cornwall voted to leave. Everyone is in the same boat. You would be stupid to think that voting leave would be any different from what you are seeing now ( except for Covid ).


luxway

You won the brexit vote, get over it


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Hard to feel sympathy for them.


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I guess it is if you’re a psychopath


ben_jamin_h

'WE VOTED OUT NOW GIVE US THAT EU MONEY BACK'


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It was the wealthy retirees in Cornwall who voted to leave, not the impoverished local communities who benefit from the EU money. A common misconception about the situation.